by Brian on February 12, 2008 at 12:11PM
Joba ChamberlainJoel Sherman from the NY Post has the scoop this morning. Citing Yankee executives, Sherman lays out the following plan for Joba Chamberlain in 2008:
  1. Prepare as a starter in Spring Training.
  2. Move to the bullpen for the beginning of the season and act as the 8th inning bridge to Mariano.
  3. In late May/early June go to the minors for 3-4 weeks to build up arm strength (throw 5-6 innings/game)
  4. Return to the Yanks as a starter for the remainder of the season
If true, I like this plan a whole lot. Sherman goes on to say the beginning of the season will also be used to identify a replacement for Joba as the 8th inning guy. The likely candidates are Kyle Farnsworth, LaTroy Hawkins, Edwar Ramirez, Jose Veras, Ross Ohlendorf. There are a couple of wild cards in the organization as well, notable among them Mark Melancon.

This move probably gives the Yanks the best chance of avoiding a stumble out of the gates, and it's a perfect way to keep Joba around the 140-150 inning mark for the season. What it doesn't address is Phil Hughes' workload.

If they're going to adhere to the +30 rule for their young pitchers (workload doesn't increase by more than 30 innings, year over year), Hughes is going to be limited as well. There may be more leeway with Hughes, who was on pace to throw about about 150 innings last year, if not for the hamstring and ankle injuries which sidelined him during the season. But if there is more leeway, I can't see it being too drastic. The backup plan for the Yanks may be to just swap Hughes and Joba in June. It makes sense.

If Joba throws 30-40 innings out of the pen, and 100 or so in the rotation, Hughes does the same, and they both perform the way I think they will, the Yanks will have basically gotten a full season of a middle/front of the rotation starter and a full season of an end of the bullpen reliever with very good peripheral numbers out of two draft picks from the last four years. Two guys who had innings limits. That would be quite a boon for this franchise.

Obviously, this is all dependent on a couple of things. First, the veracity of Sherman's report. We've seen several conflicting reports on Joba's usage already this offseason. Second, the health of the rest of the rotation. I think Ian Kennedy probably has enough innings under his belt to stay in the rotation for the entire season, or at least most of it. But can Wang, Pettitte and most importantly Moose make it through the year? If any one of them can't there are going to be tough questions for the team to answer, and tough decisions to make.








[February 12, 2008 1:31 PM]  |  link  |  reply
Mike said

This sounds good in theory, but I don't know if this plan is going to work out. What if the Yanks can't find an eighth inning replacement when Joba heads to the minors?

[February 12, 2008 1:37 PM]  |  link  |  reply
Brian replied to Mike

If they can't find a viable internal replacement, they have two months to work out a trade for Huston Street or Joe Nathan, or any of the other closers/setup guys on the market.

[February 12, 2008 2:26 PM]  |  link  |  reply
Mike said

Again, it sounds good in theory, but I don't know if this type of yo-yo plot will pan out. Do you know of any other young pitcher that came up this way?

[February 12, 2008 2:30 PM]  |  link  |  reply
Brian replied to Mike

Can't say that I do. Limiting innings strictly for young pitchers is a relatively new phenomenon.

[February 12, 2008 2:36 PM]  |  link  |  reply
Mike replied to Brian

Fair enough, but I meant a pitcher starting in the pen and then heading back down to the farm to build up arm strength and then coming back up as a starter.

That seems like a good way to get a young guy injured instead of letting him pitch a bunch of innings.

[February 12, 2008 2:46 PM]  |  link  |  reply
Brian said

Actually, I just found an example of a guy starting in the pen, then moving to the rotation to limit his innings, Johan Santana in 2002 and 2003.

I don't think he got sent down in the middle of the year to get ready to start, though.

[February 12, 2008 2:56 PM]  |  link  |  reply
Mike replied to Brian

I dunno, it just seems like a strange idea to map out for a guy.

[February 12, 2008 10:14 PM]  |  link  |  reply
Jack Cobra replied to Mike

the astros used to do this with almost all of their young pitchers when they were first promoted.

[February 13, 2008 2:22 AM]  |  link  |  reply
Brian replied to Jack Cobra

This is interesting. Do you know what kind of results they've had w/ this approach? Oswalt hasn't had any major injuries. The last guy I can remember who did from their rotation was Scott Elarton, who was supposed to be a big-time prospect but never panned out. Maybe Wade Miller.

[February 13, 2008 6:57 AM]  |  link  |  reply
Mike replied to Jack Cobra

Huh! I did not know that.

[February 13, 2008 8:21 AM]  |  link  |  reply
Jack Cobra replied to Mike

I'm trying to remember the names of the guys they did it with....I know Oswalt did briefly, Carlos Hernandez, Pete Munro.....they used to have a pretty decent rotation so they'd have the young guys come up and pitch in the bullpen before throwing them to the wolves. Those guys were throwing multiple/middle innings though.

[February 12, 2008 10:36 PM]  |  link  |  reply
Vinny said

In 2002 Santana did not start in the pen, He mixed starting and relieving through out the year mostly starting. 2003 he did start in the pen and had spot starts up until July 2003. He moved to the rotation in July of that year. I do not think this was done by design to save innings.

[February 12, 2008 10:59 PM]  |  link  |  reply
Vinny said

Correction to my comment: Johan mixed starting and relieving through out the year in 2002 mostly starting IN THE BEGINNING.

[February 12, 2008 11:08 PM]  |  link  |  reply
Brian replied to Vinny

I'm not sure what the design was, I just looked for an example of a young pitcher working out of the rotation and the pen in his first couple of years, and the incremental jump in innings.

[February 14, 2008 11:09 PM]  |  link  |  reply
JC said

got any melky news?