by Brian on November 30, 2007 at 11:05PM
If the Daily News can be believed, the Yanks will include Phil Hughes in their offer for Johan Santana. Son of a ...

The guys at River Ave. Blues think Cashman was against it, Gene Michael was for it, and the Hammer broke the tie. This one is far from done, but it's looking bleak if you dig young pitchers who could dominate for the next 15 years.

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If/when this deal gets made, I'll get my mind around it and get behind Santana. Before that happens, I want to go on the record as saying I am not confident that Santana is going to dominate in New York. I think this is way too steep of a price to pay for him, both in prospects and dollars. Finally, I'm not convinced he's going to remain healthy, even for this season. I've seen too many pitchers wilt for this team, under this pressure. I think over the next 7 years, cumulatively, Phil Hughes is going to put up better numbers than Santana. End rant.



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[December 1, 2007 8:43 AM]  |  link  |  reply
JJ said

Does this mean Phil Hughes instead of Ian Kennedy, or including Ian Kennedy?

And if Melky Cabrera is included in the deal as originally thought, that might mean Aaron Rowand is your next centerfielder.

Ace pitchers are a tricky thing to trade for. Last year's big free agent, Barry Zito, was disappointing. For every one pitcher that succeeds there are a bunch of Joe Cowleys. I'm not sure Johann Santana will live up to his steep price tag.

[December 1, 2007 11:37 AM]  |  link  |  reply
Brian said

JJ,

I've been hearing all week that Rowand will probably be a Yankee if Melky is dealt. I just hope they don't sign him to too long of a deal.

[December 1, 2007 12:17 PM]  |  link  |  reply
Brian said

Sorry, forgot to answer the first part. My understanding is that Hughes would replace Kennedy in thee offer, so Hughes, Melky and a prospect.

The only way I could stomach losing Hughes and Melky at this point is if the deal includes Nathan as well.

[December 1, 2007 3:00 PM]  |  link  |  reply
Rickhouse said

When i heard this, the first thing i thought is that the Yanks are upping their offer in the media, only to try to get the red sox to throw in Ellsbury or Buchholz.

[December 1, 2007 5:20 PM]  |  link  |  reply
stopmikelupica said

Interesting theory, Rickhouse. That would be gangsta.

I'm okay with including Hughes in the deal. This is probably the only scenerio that justifies dealing Hughes. Santana is the best pitcher in baseball. He's not overused. He hasn't pitched over 120 pitches in any game in years; he pitches efficiently.

He's Venezuelan, which means he's do fine in NY... he'll be among a couple of countrymen (Bobby Abreu, plus Luis Sojo I think). He won't care too much about the pressure, because he probably doesn't read the English newspapers too much. He'll be like a quiet Pedro Martinez, but still in his prime.

And I think the Yankees would be the odds on favorite to win the World Series next year. Not to mention that these four could all be really good starters for the next four years: Santana, Wang, Joba and Kennedy. Somebody top that.

I'll miss Melky in the OF, but... Jose Tabula will be here within 18 months, so think of it as creating the opening for him (since Damon and Matsui aren't going anywhere for a while, and Abreu is still around for at least one more season).

We can sit around and wait for Hughes to develop, and hope he plays to his potential. Even if he does, and I mean if he actually fulfills his fullest potential... he'll still only be 90% of what Santana is now. It's not reasonable to expect that Hughes will ever be a three-Cy Young winner (which is what Santana should be), okay?

Yes, there is always the potential for Santana to break down, but at this point, I actually think Hughes is more fragile.

Finally, you could argue that over the next ten years, Hughes might be better. But you can't argue that Hughes will be better than Santana over the next five years. Only if Santana is injured... otherwise, no matter how well Hughes does, Santana will do better over the next five years.

I think it's alot to offer, but I would still make the deal. And I trust Stick more than Hank or Cashman....

[December 1, 2007 5:56 PM]  |  link  |  reply
Brian said

Now there's a rumor going around that the deal is Hughes, Melky AND Kennedy. Here's the link.

I might shoot myself if that happens.

[December 1, 2007 6:07 PM]  |  link  |  reply
Mike said

hi, I'm not here to comment on this. I sent you an email today to the tryouts address, and just wanted to make sure that you got it.

[December 1, 2007 6:13 PM]  |  link  |  reply
Brian said

Mike,

I haven't gotten anything at the tryouts address in the past 24 hours. You can try to resend to brian@blogsbyfans.com

Thanks.

[December 1, 2007 6:27 PM]  |  link  |  reply
Mike said

I sent you the same one to that address. Thanks

[December 1, 2007 6:32 PM]  |  link  |  reply
Rickhouse said

If i'm one thing, it is a ganster.

[December 1, 2007 6:41 PM]  |  link  |  reply
Mike said

did you get that one?

[December 1, 2007 6:48 PM]  |  link  |  reply
Rickhouse said

Yooo, i've got a good question for you Brian,

Would you rather see the Yanks acquire Johan for PH, Melky, and change or see the Red Sox get him for Clay, Lester, and Coco? If you had to make one of these deals go through, which would it be?

Also, we should do talking baseball: OFFSEASON ADDITION. That'd be fun.

[December 1, 2007 8:16 PM]  |  link  |  reply
Brian said

Rickhouse,

That's a tough call. Given those choices, I'd probably have to say give up Hughes and Melky and get Santana. I don't want him going to the Sox.

Of the three pitchers were talking about going to the Twins here, I think Hughes is by far the best, and that's why I hate giving him up. The thing is, I don't think the Sox are willing to give up Clay in this deal, so the Yanks basically topped their own offer, which was already topping the Sox offer. I hope they're exploring other options right now, like putting together a package for Bedard or Haren.

Mike, got the email that time.

[December 1, 2007 9:32 PM]  |  link  |  reply
JJ said

Hughes, Melky AND Kennedy is too steep a price. It reeks of Von Hayes 5 for 1 deal... walk away! As Rickhouse suggested, drive up the price in the auction, and let Boston be left holding the bag and giving up way too much. Buckholz is a great young pitcher.... I can't see how they'd part with him.

One thing this should do... it should make those scouts work on finding a blue chip LHP for the minors. That is the chink in the Yankee armor. For all the talent they have, they don't have Left handed pitching.

[December 1, 2007 10:56 PM]  |  link  |  reply
Mike said

So, did I make it? I'm very sorry to be having this conversation on here, but my email is kind of acting up.

BTW, I think that the Twins should hold out so that the Red Sox can up their offer, making the Yankees give either Hughes and Kennedy, or Cano

[December 1, 2007 11:52 PM]  |  link  |  reply
Brian said

JJ,

I'd love to see a young lefty emerge in the Yankee system, but I don't think it's critical. I'm more concerned with just developing good pitchers.

I also read today that the Yankee offer has a timer on it. If the Twins don't accept quickly they're going to move on to Haren or someone else. At this point, I think the best possible outcome is that the Twins don't get a deal done at all, he stays in Minny and the Yanks get him as a free agent after the season.

Mike,

I responded to your email. If the Twins try to hold the Sox up for more they may lose the Sox and the Yanks, and be stuck with the Mets or the Dodgers possibly, as suitors. I wouldn't mind this outcome at all, to be honest with you.

[December 2, 2007 3:10 PM]  |  link  |  reply
Rickhouse said

BOSox are giving Minny their choice of Ellsbury or Lester.