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Jan 19
2010
6:55 PM

by Brian
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We've been watching an unwatchable defensive system/effort for basically the entire season. The rotations the coach makes are infuriating, the rotations the players on the floor fail to make are maddening. Now that we have nearly a half season under our belts, I decided it was time to take stock. A look at several advanced defensive metrics after the jump.

Let's start with a glossary of the terms we're going to be using, and brief explanation of what they mean/why they matter. All data for this post was culled from HoopData, if you haven't checked out their site, please do:

  • Pace: This is possessions per 48 minutes. Pretty simple, we've talked about it before.
  • DefEff: Defensive efficiency, points allowed per 100 possessions. This is the most important stat in my mind. Everything else is derivative of this number. The question we're trying to answer is why are they allowing x points per 100 possessions.
  • OPTS: The raw points-per-game allowed stat. Pretty much the only number you'll see in most newspapers. It's not meaningless, but it's also not very meaningful when you don't look at the other numbers.
  • OTS%: Opponent's true shooting percentage. Takes free throws and three pointers into account. Points/(2x(FGA+(0.44xFTA)))
  • OFG%: Opponent's raw shooting percentage, no weight for the type of shots taken, simply field goals made divided by field goals attempted.
  • O3P%: Opponent's three-point percentage. Made threes divided by attempted threes.
  • O%Ast: Percentage of opponents made field goals which were assisted on. This is a pretty good indication of how well teams are running their half-court offense against you. Typically, a higher rate is worse on defense, but there are exceptions (like when an opposing point guard is beating his man off the dribble and converting at the rim. Assisted field goals made/field goals made. 
  • OAR: Opponent's assist rating is a measure of how many possessions end is assists for the opponent, per 100 possessions. Probably a more accurate look than the stat above. Possessions ending in an assist * 100 / total possessions.
  • OTOR: Opponents turnover rate is a measure of how turnovers a team forces per 100 possessions. This is a much more meaningful number than raw turnovers, because pace is taken into account. Turnovers x 100 / possessions.
  • DRR: Defensive rebounding rate measures the percent of total available defensive rebounds a team collects. Again, much more meaningful than simply the number of defensive rebounds a team grabs. DREB/(Opponent's OREB + DREB). Anything above 75% I consider a strong rating here.
  • BLKR: Simply put how many shots does the team block per 100 possessions. Better than the raw block numbers because pace is taken into account. Blocks * 100 / opponent's possessions.
  • DEFR: Defensive plays per 100 possessions. A "defensive play" is a steal, a charge drawn or a block. Essentially, how many stops does a team get where the opponent doesn't even get a shot to the rim (not including 24-second violations). A great deal of these plays (minus the charges) have a high likelihood of leading to transition opportunities on the other end of the floor, so obviously it's an important stat for the Sixers. (100 x blocks + steals + charges drawn) / opponent's possessions.
  • OFTR: Opponent's free throw rate measures how much an opponent gets to the line. FTA x 100 / FGA. (I actually prefer FTM * 100 / FGA, to measure how successful they are from the line, but that's not the number included here. It doesn't make much of a difference unless you're crediting teams for fouling bad free throw shooters, and maybe you should.)
  • O3PR: Opponent's three-point rate measures what percentage of their total FG attempts come from three-point land. This stat isn't really all that meaningful to me. "Forcing" a team to take a ton of threes is good if they're hitting them at less than 33%, but if they're hitting more than a third of them, they're hurting you. 3PA / FGA.

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OK, let's jump right into the numbers, refer to the glossary above if you get confused, but I'll try to explain everything to the best of my ability.  Bear in mind we're talking about three different seasons with three different coaches (for the most part) and also varying rosters. In '07-'08 they traded away Korver in December. In '08-09 they had Miller for the entire season. This year they have Brand but not Miller. There are definitely personnel differences, but overall, the core of the team has remained constant, and maybe even trended toward better defenders with the inclusion of Brand at the four, etc.

The team's pace has remained fairly consistent, relative to their pace the year before, but the league has gotten faster dropping their rank. Nothing too meaningful to be derived from that, other than the fact that part of Eddie Jordan taking us "uptown" was that he was going to turn us into a high-possession team, which has not materialized. Nor should it, really. But we'll get to that in a minute.

The defensive efficiency rating has taken a drastic turn for the worse. Two seasons ago we were top ten (according to HoopData's methodology, which differs from Basketball-Reference.com's and my own.), this season we're all the way down to #22 (our DFR has improved dramatically over the past 10 games or so). We knew this going in, now we're going to examine why.

The answer is bleak, very bleak. Take a look at the shooting percentages across he board. TS% we've dropped from middle-of-the-pack to third worst, overall field goal percentage from 18th to 26th and 3-point percentage we've dropped from middle of the road to dead last. I know we've been griping for years about the Sixers three-point defense, but the fact of the matter is they were league average for the past two seasons, this year they're beyond horrible.

Let's jump all the way down to O3PR, this is where it gets a little bit silly. Opponents' three-point attempts are down, significantly, this season vs. the past two, but that's only attempts, now let's look at the points scored per 100 possessions by the opponents:

  • '07-08: 25.74 points/100 poss. on 3PA
  • '08-09: 27.0 points/100 poss. on 3PA
  • '09-10: 27.68 points/100 poss on 3PA

So they're giving up almost 2 full points per 100 possessions more than they were two seasons ago on three pointers, but their opponents are attempting 1.3 fewer three-pointers. That's a troubling, troubling trend and I believe those numbers are significant.

If you recall, Tony DiLeo had some theories on how to make up the three-point deficit the team was sure to accumulate in any particular game. The way to do it was to attempt and make more free throws than their opponent, and to beat them in second-chance opportunities. Well, take a look at what's happened with the free throw rate. For the past two seasons, they were among the league leaders in not sending teams to the line. This year, they're slightly below average, and sending teams to the line nearly 10% of the time more than they were on average over the past two seasons.

One thing that came as a shock was the defensive rebounding rating. If I had to guess going in, I would've bet the DRR was lower this season, but it turns out it's right in line with the past two seasons. On second thought, though, you've still got Thad getting the majority of the minutes at the four, Brand and Speights are essentially swallowing up the minutes Reggie Evans, Theo Ratliff and Speights took last season. The mitigating factors have been Iguodala's increased production on the defensive glass (17.2% vs. 14.0 and 13.4 over the past two season) and Sam Dalembert putting up Rodman-esque numbers on the defensive glass (he's approaching 30% of available d-boards. Rodman's had a nine-season run of 30%+. Dalembert is second in the league to Dwight Howard so far this season.

Since we're talking about Dalembert, he's also second in the league in blocks per game, but far and away the league leader in blocks per 40 minutes (among regulars getting 25+ minutes/game). He's averaging 3.49 block/40, number two is Kendrick Perkins at 2.89). Dalembert and Brand combine to give the Sixers a tremendous team block rate, good enough to move the Sixers from 10th to 4th in that category.

Which brings us to the stat that makes me want to strangle someone. Defensive Plays Rate. As I said in the glossary, this measures the number of stops where the opposing team doesn't even get a shot up to the rim. The Sixers rank first in the league with 16.8% of possessions resulting in either a blocked shot, a steal or a drawn charge. When you look at the Sixers overall shooting numbers, you'd think these stats are somewhat hollow. Meaning, they're gambling for the big play instead of playing fundamental defense. This is true to an extent, but what's lost in that simplification is what they accomplished the previous two seasons, without Elton Brand. In the previous two seasons they were not only top five in defensive plays, but they were middle of the road in all shooting percentages. This season, they've added Elton Brand's 1.4 steals and 1.7 blocks to their defense (essentially Brand's 3.1/40 minutes is replacing Reggie Evans' 1.7/40 minutes). Brand has elevated them from a top-five team in this category to number one, and there's no reason, absolutely no reason, they shouldn't be able to keep the field goal percentages in line with the previous two seasons considering their defensive personnel. In fact, I'd make the argument that they've made significant defensive upgrades by adding Brand and Jrue, and any reasonable coach would be utilizing those guys for much heavier minutes than Jordan has.

I've probably droned on for far too long, so let me sum it up as quickly as possible. Right now, today, the Sixers have the personnel to turn this around, and turn it around in a big way. They're getting severely abused on the perimeter, they play this wacky rotational scheme or bogus matchup zone to cover for the deficiencies of Lou Williams and Allen Iverson in the back court, but they really don't need to.

If they started Brand at the four and played him 35 minutes/game, he'd be making more defensive plays to fuel the transition game. If you played Brand 35 minutes/game at PF, Thad would rarely be playing the four, he'd rarely be at a size disadvantage on the defensive end. Most importantly, if you played Brand at PF for 35 minutes/game, you'd never, ever have to have two defensive liabilities playing in the back court at the same time. Lou and Iverson could split minutes at one guard however you like, with either Jrue or Iguodala always on the floor with them in the back court. This would allow you to use a superior perimeter defender on the other team's biggest penetration threat, thus avoiding the defensive breakdowns that decimate this defense.

If you sat Eddie Jordan down and had an honest conversation with him about the matter, I believe he'd tell you Brand can't play the four because he isn't mobile enough to get out and defend the stretch fours in the league. Is this a legitimate concern? Yes. It's a legitimate concern against the Orlando Magic (Rashard Lewis), the Indiana Pacers (Troy Murphy), the Dallas Mavericks (Dirk), the Washington Wizards (Antawn Jamison) and the Minnesota Timberwolves (Kevin Love). Those are the only five teams in the league who play a stretch four who shoots above league average on three pointers. I don't really care if any big is taking 21-foot jump shots regularly. If you get them to, it's a win defensively. The only way the stretch four really kills you is with threes and we're talking about 13 games/season where it's an issue. What that doesn't take into account is that not a single one of these guys can guard Brand on the blocks on the other end.

Put as simply as I can, I believe if the Sixers were to fire Eddie Jordan tomorrow, bring in someone who would make no changes but to simply play the proper guys at the proper position, we'd be an average defensive team, at worst. If we brought in a guy who not only played the right guys, but completely scrapped Jordan's system and replaced it with a more honest, straight-up, pressuring (rather than reacting) scheme, we'd be a top-ten defensive team and a team that would only get better as Holiday matured into his eventual role as a 35+ mpg defensive stud.

Thoughts, questions, concerns, arguments in the comments, as usual.

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Brian, just watched the Minnesota game (didn't know it was MLK day...)

I know you are a Iguodala fan and I'm not asking this to annoy you (or anyone), but do you think you (or anybody else) can make a research of Iguodala stats for game winners in the last, say, 3 years? Even 2 would be ok. Is there a site that counts them?

I mean "shots-to-win-or-tie-the game" in the last, what would be reasonable..., 5 seconds?

Off the top of my head I'd say he's around 3/12. And he continues to take those shots. Not blaming Iguodala for the loss, of course, just curious to know this stat.

Ouh, and btw this team and its coach is pure shlt, but I'm digressing. Sorry for going OT on this post

In fairness to him, our multiple coaches are really the ones who continue to ask him to take those shots.

completely correct, that's why I said I'm not blaming him. Not only him, better.

It's not meant as a specific knock to Iguodala, it's more general.

It was already done for 2008/2009 season over at 82games.com

The 'top of your head' isn't so much a reliable source...and you're looking at him in a vacuum unless you watch every game of every team?

I don't get what you mean by vacuum etc etc

thx anyway, I'll try to find that research, so we would basically just have to update that with stats from this year

Vacuum in that do you know how much 'clutch shots' that Lebron or Kobe has missed this year - how does Iguodala compare to the rest of the NBA universe...unless you're watching every game you can only go by the 'highlights' that ESPN loves to show of their makes

Maybe LeBron or Kobe don't make many game-winners, but that doesn't mean that we wouldn't be wise to move away from the predictable "give the ball to your best player in an iso" strategy that the rest of the league employs.

I'm fairly certain, going from memory alone, that Iguodala has more game-winning shots in the past 2.5 seasons than Iverson had in his entire first run with the Sixers. Only two come to mind with Iverson, he made a steal/layup against the Wizards as the clock expired and he hit about an 18-footer but I can't remember who that was against.

Yeah Iverson hit an 18 footer against Indiana when JOB was the coach.

Yep. That was the one.

I'm not saying there weren't more, but those are the only two I can remember, and I think there was a big deal when he hit the one against Indy because they were saying it was the first of his career.

Iguodala has 3 in the past 2 years, @ Memphis, @ LAL, @ Orlando in the playoffs and he missed a fourth by .000001 seconds against the Clippers this season.

those were the ones that I remembered as well, correct.

I'm 90% sure Ig also had a buzzer beater just at Minnesota in his rookie year, a desperation "catch and shoot" shot off a loose ball situation or something like that, from around the FT line.

So it's 4 game winning shots, and yes, he has surely more than Iverson (at least Iverson as a Sixer, I think he had a couple in Denver).

Now we have to count Ig misses, I say he has a dozen or close, I'll try to count them in the next days

Actually, there were not more. It was a major point when he hit the game-winner for Team USA. That one was the 1st one he'd ever hit at any level. He followed by making the 2 you mentioned

So, Iguodala has already doubled him up in roughly half the time

I recalled well, maybe few of you guys remember this, good times, LOL:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbftEdSpsnE

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eddies' heady's replied to comment from Brian +/-

@ MEM last year
@ LAL last year
vs. ORL in playoffs last year

Anymore?

Mentioned above, and I remember it now. Iguodala got an offensive rebound in mid-air right inside the foul line and hit the jumper. So 4.

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eddies' heady's replied to comment from Brian +/-

Yeah, sorry I was reading and then replied and saw it after mine went through. But who was that fourth one against and when?

@ Minnesota in his rookie year, check the You Tube link I posted ;-)

I tracked Iguodala "in the clutch" last year, and he was better than most would think in end-game situations. I define these as situations where it was 24 seconds or less, 3 points (1 possession) or less either way:

Magic 11/26/08: 2 of 2 FT, 0:14 left (down 1,
went ahead by 1)
Bulls 12/2/08: turnover, 0:23 left (up 2, game to OT)
Pacers 12/20/08: 5-ft missed, 0:00 (down 1, lost by 1)
Nuggets 12/26/08: traveling, 0:03 (down 1, lost by 4)
Bucks 1/7/09: 1 of 2 FT, 0:17 (up 2, went ahead by 3);
2 of 2 FT (up 3, went ahead by 5)
Mavs 1/19/09: lay-up, 0:08 left (down 2, tied game)
Rockets 1/28/09: 18-ft missed, 0:06 (up 2, won by 2)
Celtics 2/3/09: 16-ft made, 0:03 (tied, went ahead by 2)
Nets 2/23/09: 1 of 2 FT, 0:01 (tied, went up 1)
Magic 2/28/09: 14-ft missed, 0:22 (down 1);
1 of 2 FT, 0:17 (down 3, went to down 2)
Bulls 3/13/09: 1 of 2 FT, 0:22 (tied, went up 1);
assist to Thad, 0:16 (up 1, went up 3)
Lakers 3/17/09: 25-ft 3-pt made, 0:01 (down 2, went up 1)
Blazers 3/23/09: 2 of 2 FT, 0:20 (down 2, tied it)
Bobcats 4/7/09: 18-ft missed, 0:18 (down 1);
28-ft 3-pt missed, 0:11 (down 3)
Celtics 4/14/09: 13-ft missed, 0:04 (down 1);
38-ft 3-pt missed, 0:01 (down 2, lost by 2)
Magic 4/19/09: 18-ft made, 0:02 (tied, went up 2)
Magic 4/26/09: assist to SD, 0:14 (down 2, tied game)
28-ft 3-pt missed, 0:00 (down 3)

4-12 FG, 1-4 3P, 10-14 FT, 19 pts, 2 assists, 2 turnovers

That's 23 points in 23 possessions. However, in situations where the Sixers were down (by 3 or less) or the game was tied with less than 24 seconds left, Iguodala produced the necessary points (to tie or give the Sixers the lead) in 9 of 17 situations, with 3 of the failures being desperation 3's. So make of it what you will, but I think he was quite good last year in end-game situations. This year has been a different story, no doubt.


I would be more interested in seeing how he does in the late fourth quarter in general. From the series against Detroit a few years back to now, my admittedly subjective impression is that he tends to turn the ball over a lot (frequently by charging) and miss a lot of big foul shots.

Statman great stuff man, kudos !!!

too tired to check that in details now (4 AM here, time to go to bed...) but I'll surely do it tomorrow. It looks like he's better than I expected, but I would add #s from this year, and perhaps the year before, to have a complete picture

Great job anyway, I appreciate, thanks !

I don't care about the other players, I hate comparisons.
I just want to know Iguodala's hit/miss ratio in those situations.
I thought that in order to know the misses one should perhaps go through all the play-by-play pages, so I was just trying to save some time asking if anybody had already done it in the past, that's all.

Ok - but you can't say if he's 'good' or 'bad' in those situations without comparisons...unless of course you just want to say he's bad, which it seems like you want to

I just would like to know the exact stats before confiming what is currently a feeling (= that he's a pretty bad performer in those situations), based mainly on memory.

You want him to be bad so you won't compare him to anyone else to find out if he's 'just as badf' as every one else - it's ok -

I see you are continuing to put in my mouth things I never said, this is becoming pretty annoying. I never said I want him to be bad, I would like him to be the best clutch performer of all time, being a Sixers fan.
Let's turn this around, how about you provide numbers showing that he's clutch? I am all ears !!
This year - this time based on FACTS, I just checked - he's 0/4 on last second shots: @ NY (end of the regulation), @ Dallas, @ Charlotte, @ Minnesota.
ZERO-ON-FOUR.
Statman can update his (nice) research, that is now starting to look ugly.

Brian,


I absolutely agree. We have been saying it all along. They have the personnel to be a decent defensive team. Now the Iverson signing is showing it is a problem with Lou in the backcourt. If we had AI9 at the 2 and Jrue with significant minutes and Carney at the 2 as a backup I think they could be pretty darn good defensively. Unfortunately we need to get rid of this system and to do that we need to get rid of this coach. I hope ES uses this Minnesota loss to maybe effect a change ?

BTW, and I won't post anymore here about it since I'm 100% OT, last year Basketbawful had a very interesting post called "The Kobe effect" where they showed how actually Kobe's #s in those situations weren't exactly brilliant cuz he ALWAYS takes the last shot, and he missed a lot of them, same for Billups and Melo (while Ginobili and LBJ are really clutch):
http://basketbawful.blogspot.com/2009/01/word-of-day-kobe-effect.html
This was BEFORE this year's 3 buzzer beaters, so Kobe's updated stat should be better

Great analysis Brian, as usual. You're insights are keen and I couldn't agree more about your assessment of Brand and improving our defense by moving Thad to the 3 and starting Brand at the 4 for 35 minutes a game. That makes a lot of sense and makes the whole team a much better defensive (and probably helps our offense as well) team.

A few more observations. I put the spreadsheet together late last night and sort of rushed through my thoughts on my lunch hour today.

1. Brand is, in large part, responsible for the free throw rating. Not sure if that's a good or bad thing. On the one hand, if you get close to the hoop when he's in there, he knows he has limited minutes and there's no way he's going to have time to use all his fouls, so he's going to hammer you. That sends a message. But those fouls add up. I don't think he'd be doing this if he was getting starter's minutes. Speights is a fouling machine as well.

2. We didn't really talk about assist rate, mainly because I think it's down because of the number of times guards get right to the rim against Lou, AI3 and Willie. But I'm not sure you can back that up with stats. Mainly because it seems equally likely that the penetration leads to an open jumper, which is assisted.

3. The most-interesting thing about this exercise was being able to see San Antonio's defensive philosophy portrayed in numbers. They rarely get steals, rarely block shots, they just simply contest the hell out of everything and clean the glass. It's such a fundamental approach, like there are no risks being taken they just have their principles and they executive them almost flawlessly.

I thought SAS's defense was having a down year?

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Brian, that is why I don!t want to blow it up, I like our mix of guys with a defensive mindset and young guys that could be influenced by these guys if our coach emphasized it. If we draft properly this year, getting a wing that can shoot and defend [Henry?] and a banger that can be paired with Marreese off the bench [Lawal ?] we could have an athletic, trapping 2nd unit with Thad, Marreese and L.Will!s defensive deficiencies covered somewhat by pushing the tempo, and a more standard, or less gimmicky, starting 5. An outside shooting defender is the missing ingredient from making this team a contender.Question, 2 years from now, is it realistic to think we can let J.Smith go and resign Sam and Thad for what the 3 of them got in Sam!s last year? I know money is a big part of it but why create another hole IF Sam continues his solid play.

Maybe this will help IA9 defenders:


on ESPN: Chad Ford
Iguodala for T-Mac still in play

"The Sixers have been shopping Dalembert for two years. The Iguodala thing is new. I'm pretty skeptical they'd give those two guys away for T-Mac's expiring contract (T-Mac and AI on the same team ... wow). But I keep hearing enough rumblings about it that I think it has legs. If Darryl Morey can turn T-Mac into Iguodala ... I'm really impressed. That's a home run for the Rockets. As for Sixers fans ... a major disaster."

And I agree

Would Iverson for a similar, huge expiring contract have also been a disaster? If we're going to trade Iguodala and quit on the Iguodala-centric Sixers project, it should obviously be for nothing, not for talent.

Oh man, I almost had a heart attack! ESPN has TMac and AI3 pictured next to each other with the title, "The Fix is in"

When you're talking about a team that is looking to avoid the luxury tax next year, yeah, it still wouldn't clear enough cap space.
If the sixers are going to blow it up, they have to blow it up big, which would most likely have to include some of their younger, upside guys as well.

When they traded Iverson he was 31 and they had exactly one young piece on their roster. You're talking about trading a guy who's 26 with at least one or two other building blocks on the roster. It was impossible to rebuild around Iverson (even if they could've traded Webber), so getting rid of him for expirings would've been the good move, different situation.

Aren't we pretty stuck with about the same team we've got until Brand's contract runs out - unless we move Iguodala? That's just a long time to stay stagnant.

Do you really see a point in still being stuck with Brand's contract, but without Iguodala? I mean, clearing the deck is one thing, but if you have Brand's contract and a bunch of young guys, what are you going to do with him? I guess just make him irrelevant, like Jordan's trying to now, but unless you're talking about using Igudoala as the bait to move EB, I don't see the gain, financially, of moving Iguodala.

Curious to hear your thoughts on what Thad's role would be in your ideal rotation. You say:

"Lou and Iverson could split minutes at one guard however you like, with either Jrue or Iguodala always on the floor with them in the back court."

Doesn't this mean that Iguodala would be playing a significant portion of the game at the 3 (assuming you want Jrue to be playing more minute and Iguodala to still be playing the majority of the game)? You also want Brand to start at the 4 and play 35+ minutes. This doesn't seem to leave too much room for Thad. If not, I completely agree, but would like to hear your opinion.

i think the team would be best served with thad providing scoring off the bench

I'd have him play a few games a month in the D-League at SF. Make him play point forward and learn to handle the ball on the wing.

Of course this would never happen...

Anything that requires coaching will never happen on this team as long as we have EJ as a coach.

Yes, that would be a great idea, btw.

This is how I'd split it up:

C: Dalembert 30 minutes (more if he's able), Speights 10 minutes, Brand 8 minutes
PF: Brand 28 minutes, Speights 20 minutes
SF: Thad 30 minutes, Iguodala 18 minutes
SG: Iguodala 18 minutes, Iverson 10 minutes, Lou 20 minutes
PG: Holiday 30 minutes, Iverson 18 minutes

Something like that. Still plenty of minutes for Thad and Lou and Iverson would get somewhere this would have one of either Lou or Iverson on the floor at all times, which I don't think is necessary. I'd go for stretches with AI9/JH in the back court. I'd also probably work Carney or Willie into the Lou/AI3 mix depending.

I actually like the team starting out the first 5 minutes with a more offensive minded line-up to hopefully get the team in a flow and maybe out running. Then I'd gradually turn the screws tighter on defense as the game progressed.

On some nights the current starting line-up has jumped out to some early leads. It is also easier to get defensive intensity out of guys early in the game. But for the remaining 40+ minutes I'm with you and your more defensive minded rotations.

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Cornelius Talmadge replied to comment from Brian +/-

Wow, we're quite similar on this, Brian. Here's mine...

C: Dalembert 30 minutes, Brand 8 minutes, Speights 10 minutes
PF: Brand 30 minutes, Speights 18 minutes
SF: Iguodala 30 minutes, Thad 18 minutes
SG: Iverson 30 minutes, Lou 18 minutes
PG: Holiday 30 minutes, Iguodala 10 minutes, Carney 8 minutes

Totals:
Andre Iguodala.....40
Elton Brand........38
Jrue Holiday.......30
Allen Iverson......30
Sam Dalembert......30
Marreese Speights..28
Thaddeus Young.....18
Lou Williams.......18
Rodney Carney.......8

Lou and Thad take a bit of a hit wrt playing time, but that's the way the cards seem to fall.


I think you'd probably have to play Carney at the two. He can't handle the point, so you put Iverson at the point for that stretch.

Agreed. My whole alignment wrt the backcourt relates to the necessity of never having AI and Lou on the court at the same time. That's why I have Lou and A.I. in the same row (i.e. SG) and Jrue, Iggy, and Carney in the same row (i.e. PG). When it's all said and done, I definitely agree that either A.I. or Lou would be the ball handler when Carney's in the game.

Defense is overrated. Put Kapono out there and drain some 3s

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Cornelius Talmadge +/-

Beautifully written and 100% correct from first to last sentence, Brian.

With the talent on this team, almost any reasonable basketball fan could take over for our Moron and make an improvement... and a good coach could get us home court in the first round.


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