, we've examined their validity as recording stats and we've also taken a glimpse at their
for the Sixers over the past four seasons. Today, we're going use the available data to see what each stat says about the 2010-2011 Sixers.
The first step, and perhaps the fatal flaw of these equations, was predicting the minute distribution for the roster. About a month ago, I ran through the entire roster in the
Early Predictions series, and estimated minutes for each. I wound up about 1,000 minutes over at the SG position, and I wanted to wind up with 48 min/game/position for these calculations (you could add some padding for overtime games, but that's a bit too much speculation for my taste), so I subtracted the surplus from Willie Green, Jodie Meeks and Evan Turner to make the numbers work.
The next step was coming up with two numbers for Evan Turner, WP48 and WS48. I looked at the stats compiled for this post, and decided to be bullish when penciling in his expected production: 0.135 WP48 would put him just below the level of Stephen Curry and Tyreke Evans from last season, 0.101 WS48 would put him equal with Andre Iguodala's last year, which isn't going to happen, but let's say it's a best-case scenario.
Finally, Tony Battie barely played last season, so I decided to use his numbers from the previous season. It's a minimal difference, but it's highly unlikely Battie will be as atrocious as he was in '09-10. So in both cases when I thought it was necessary to adjust the numbers a bit, I erred in favor of more wins for the Sixers. Unfortunately, it didn't provide much relief.
Here's the money chart:
Obviously, WP paints an extremely bleak picture of the coming season, and it's not hard to figure out why. Wins Produced values defensive rebounds very, very highly, and this is obviously an area the team will struggle in, unless some people on the roster make drastic improvements on their career numbers. Win shares is a bit more optimistic, but not much. Neither of these numbers is perfect, obviously, but I'd say this math tells us a realistic expectation for the team would be somewhere between 20 and 34 wins.
Let's be clear for a second, I'm not saying the Sixers are going to win less than 30 games. I think it's pretty likely, but this exercise was all about using numbers to set the bar, and to realize exactly what it's going to take for the team to win 40 games and possibly make the playoffs.
I thought now might be a good time to take a look at the silver lining. These numbers have been wrong, very, very wrong, in the past. In fact, we can look at Memphis and Oklahoma City from last season for two examples of how far off they can be:
The important thing to take away from these two charts isn't how far off the projections were, but how each team was able to blow expectations out of the water. I've used color to show the catalysts. In OKC's case, it was pretty much exclusively due to the improvement of both Russell Westbrook and Kevin Durant. Durant made the leap from a very good player to a great player. Westbrook went from a nothing to a very good player, production-wise.
Memphis' drastic turnaround was due to the improvement of Rudy Gay, who went from useless to moderately productive in WP, Marc Gasol, who made strides in his second season, OJ Mayo's year-over-year improvement and a miraculous turnaround by Zach Randolph.
I'm sure the question you're asking yourself right now is whether Doug Collins can spark this type of improvement from a couple of guys on the roster. Well, all other things being equal, if Jrue makes the same leap Westbrook did in his sophomore season (.151 WP48 and .101 WS48), you can add 5.7 WP and 4.0 WS to the totals. If Evan Turner performs on the level Chris Paul did as a rookie (.315 WP48, .178 WS48), you could add 7.9 WP and 3.3 WS to the totals. If Elton Brand magically regains the form of his last year prior to the Achilles injury (.270 WP48, .229 WS48), you could add 10.9 WP and 6.2 WS to the totals. We've gone from possibly probable to absurd in the space of a few sentences, but you get the point.
A dramatic turnaround is certainly on the table, but we're going to need to see across-the-board improvement and major, major strides taken by at least one or two players who see significant minutes. Going from 23 wins to 42 is no small chore.
If you're interested in playing with the variables, I've set up this
public spreadsheet where you can plug in your own numbers to answer any "what if" questions you may have. (minutes, WP48 and WS48 are the variables you can change, the formulas will update the totals when you make changes).
So what do you guys think? The baseline seems to be somewhere between 23 and 30 games, how much improvement upon that do you expect, and since we're looking at it through the lens of WP and WS, who's going to make the leap, if you expect a significant improvement.
Collins track record of bigtime record improvement against an E.Jordan-induced coma from last year; I expect Turner will not disappoint and improvement across the board for a coach that has a clue from at least 6 players.
I would have to think that Thad, brand, jrue and speights will have much better numbers under collins than they did under jordan.
I expect Jrue's numbers to improve simply because he isn't going to be a rookie anymore and he'll have consistent playing time. I think that would've happened no matter who the coach is.
Thad and Brand are both interesting cases. I'm assuming Collins has told Brand that he's going to have to concentrate on the defensive glass. If he does, and he still has the physical ability to rebound at a high rate, his production will climb.
Thad's a wild card. He has gotten appreciably worse every season in the league.
I think where coaching would come into play (particularly for the Collins/Jordan combo) is in the team defense. On quick perusal, WP48 contains a team defense adjustment, so one would assume the number would be better under Collins than Jordan (and all Sixers' WP48 values would improve). Win Shares seems to be entirely offensive, though there is another stat of Defensive Win Shares.
Thanks for the link yesterday, by the way. Interesting read, and it pointed out the declines in Thad/Speights/Brand that you have been discussing with Brian.
As mentioned above, there are several reasons why these projections could be far off.
1. Number derived from players in EJ's system are not going to translate perfectly to playing under Collins.
2. Rebounding will be a big issue, but by default other players rebounding numbers will rise since Sam won't be vacuuming up all of the boards. This will give everyone else a bump in WP not reflected in these projections.
-This is like when a team loses a superstar 35ppg scorer everyone else will score a bit more simply from increased opportunities- so you can't use there PPG while playing in the shadow of the star to project there scoring once he is gone. In the same way Sam was a truly elite rebounder.
3. The Sixers have a bunch of young players who could see a serious bump in productivity- especially with almost everyone coming off a down season (except WG and Lou.)
Number one does cut both ways with Lou and Willie, which you mentioned later on. The rebounding is a good point, so how many extra wins could vulture rebounds mean for the front court group?
Right now, the projections for our bigs (Hawes, Speights, Brand, Battie, J. Smith) are as follows:
WP: -1.383 WP
WS: 9.588 WS
2. You are overstating diminishing returns. Berri has plenty of posts up on the subject.
Great job with the numbers! I would sure hope we beat our projections for this year, if not that would mean a new coach had very little effect. I think if Brand is healthy he will probably have a better season, there were a couple times last year where he was playing well and didn't look like he was toast. Jrue should continue to improve and if Speights is in decent shape this year he could definetely be more productive. I realize that right now it's more about development than wins, but I would consider it a disappointment if the Sixers don't win at least 30 games. It's exhausting rooting for the lottery.
But now willie green is gone, so I am already happy
Wow, breaking news. I'm guessing you aren't as happy as Brian, though ;-)
Wow. We didn't take on any long-term money, did we?
craig brackins on rookie contract, darius songaila $4.6 mil expiring.
According to the report I saw (on libertyballers.com) it's Songalia and Brackins for Smith and Green.
So basically the sixers got Brackins?
I just put up a post. A+ move, unless there's something we aren't hearing.