You'd think the number one pick vs. the number two pick draft would make for a marquee matchup. Unfortunately, it's impossible to guess how many minutes Turner will get and when they'll come. But fear not, if it's drama you're after,
Gilbert Arenas is expected to make his first start of the season in this one. Negative, Arenas is out.
I believe these will be your starting lineups:
- PG: Jrue Holiday vs. John Wall
- SG: Andre Iguodala vs. Kirk Hinrich
- SF: Andres Nocioni vs. Al Thornton
- PF: Elton Brand vs. Andray Blatche
- C: Spencer Hawes vs. JaVale McGee
Through their first two games, the Wizards are the worst team in the league in offensive efficiency and a stout 25th in defensive efficiency. Games don't get much more winnable than this one. Will the Sixers finally break through? Join me right here at 7pm to find out.
WP w/ the pf switch
Betting line is Wiz 3.5 faves. Seems reasonable since it's they're home opener.
Was there a lineup change?
I was talking a bout having Andray go first instead of EB so we get the Andre, Andres, Andray 3 in a row.
Gotcha.
OK, so Nick Young into the starting lineup. I'll adjust the lineup accordingly.
Arenas is out.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5753831
I think we'll get a W here. Hoping so anyway.
lol, Jrue Holiday vs. Evan Turner at PG eh?
Man, this thing was just littered with mistakes, huh?
It should be fixed entirely now. Al Thornton at SF, not Nick Young.
I didn't put a prediction in the preview, but I'll go with Sixers winning an ugly one 89-85.
The wizards are probably 'better' without arenas playing
I don't really think so. He looked cooperative, even a little passive, in the preseason. His statements to the press were almost bizarrely obsessed with getting out of Wall's way. He can shoot, which isn't really true of any of the other Wizards (maybe Young and Cartier Martin), and they're better off with him taking jump shots than Blatche, Thornton, and Yi taking jump shots.
Oh yeah Sixers first win of the season coming up! I say Wall goes about 5-15 with Jrue playing solid D and causing some turnovers. And if they put Blatche on Brand we got to go to that matchup early.
Collins pregame on how he's changed since coaching the Wiz from 2001-03: "Losing sucks. That’ll never change. ... There's a bigger purpose for me now. We can’t lose site of that now. This franchise has fallen. We’ve got to dig ourselves out."
Funny Doug, your actions belie your words.
It's not about winning this season Doug, it's about buliding a winner which requires Evan Turner to play
He'll be starting by December -- maybe sooner if Hawes continues to be a non-factor.
Brian, you said earlier Iggy has a huge mismatch; isn't Hinrich a very good man defender and it seems the post up isn't in this offense yet.
hinrich is decent against normal sized shooting guards, but Iguodala has a tremendous physical advantage in that matchup. In the post or on the perimeter driving by him.
son of a... time warner is screwing up my league pass again
C'mon Sixers LOSE!
0-30 start! Lets blow it up! HARRISON BARNES.
Great, another wing who can't shoot.
If we get #1 give me P.Jones.
ditto.
Fucking Time Warner signed me up for the NHL league pass instead of NBA. I hate this company with a passion. Luckily, I think I can watch it online until they get their shit together.
Has the game started yet?
Not yet. I got the problem fixed. 15:33 of my life I'll never get back, sons of bitches.
That's good. I was on phone with them last night for 1:20 minutes, for a 5 min issue.
Damn I got it blacked out, fuckin every game of the season it seems going to get blacked out. Im on CSNHD is everybody blacked out? I use directv well, I have to see it on stream again
Good to see John Wall has the full on douche gene.
Al Thornton's turning 27 in a few weeks. That's younger than I thought.
That 'dougie' routine was pretty bad by Wall.
Take him over Thad now? Using hingsight?
no way.
Didn't he come out same year as Thad?
yea he was pick after T. young
Younger than you thought? He was drafted the same yar as Thad, how old is thad again?
Big zero in the middle.
Dont sell him short - double zero.
I don't have any basis for this, but Hawes has to be the worst starter in the league.
I'll take a 20-foot turnaround for Blatche on every possession. Just happened to make that one.
Not a fan of that jumper for Jrue, but he made it too.
Jrue with the steal and then dime to ai9 for the dunk. good start.
Nice drive by Jrue and the dunk.
Love the early offense. Just keep running it please.
Ah, the post up of our guards. Good to see.
Awesome. AI9 in the post, Jrue with the perfect entry over the defense for the 2 and a foul.
And Jrue with the tie-up of Wall on the drive.
Damn, Jrue did it all on that possession.
D-board, push, hit wide-open AI9 for jumper (missed), o-board.
Everyone questioning what I see in Jrue, rewatch the first 3:30 of this game.
People really questioning that he's a young stud? I think it could be seen all last year as a rookie
Check the previous thread.
Everyone looks good except for doublezero, hes so sluggish looking...Sixers need a center ASAP!
I am trying to watch the game on NBA league pass broadband but it is just saying that the game is upcoming. Anyone else having this issue?
CSTH
Me too.
Beat that zone pretty easy that time
2 on McGee, that's huge. Jrue with more good defense on a Wall drive.
6 assists on 6 made shots so far. Just run the friggin' offense for 48 minutes and see what happens, huh?
Seriously. I hate when they stop running it.
If I'm the Wizards, I'm screening Wall with Hawes' man every time. Brand handles them so much better.
Great point.
They're trapping Jrue just past halfcourt now.
Hawes is unbelievably bad.
anyone have any suggestions on this NBA league pass issue? It's drivng me nuts.
Did you try reloading? such a pain in the ass.
if it doesn't work Im watching it here
http://atdhe.net/27248/watch-philadelphia-76ers-vs-washington-wizards
Jrue is feeling good tonight.
He got the Jason Jinx.
Hawes is so bad. So, so bad.
Another fall away hook shot. He's patenting that this season.
Holy shit Hawes blows. Airballed a 5 footer.
That's a cheapie on Jrue. I like ball pressure, but we need him on the floor.
The Wiz made that adjustment, Hawes' man setting the high screens now. Jrue needs to avoid picking up his second.
Brand has his legs under him. Night/day from the last game when he was winded.
Jrue with a pretty lefty drive and finish.
Brand is going to work on this defenders
Thad for Hawes is first sub.
Oddly nba.com doesn't even recognize that the game's started.
Their broadband League pass is a complete joke. Terrible lol.
Worked great for me until today. I guess I'd like a bigger picture.
Gotta love Jrue finally getting into gear on offense.
Tough matador defense by the mullet there.
Does anyone see this offense? Even if they aren't running a specific play, they are identifying the matchups, running P and R, and moving without the ball. Beautiful.
I read something about Collins making getting into the offense simpler. Looks like they're doing it.
Shit. 2 on Jrue.
Great quarter, but he's fouling to much early on here. The first one was 35 feet from the hoop.
Gotta hope Lou can play his game within the sets.
Lou in for Jrue.
Wall is going to abuse lou if he stays on him
Good call.
Nick young is a lou will type player, scorer who can't D
Where's Turner?
Rotting.
Ah, Lou.
Wall is going to beat Lou every time
Here's the problem when you put Thad in for Hawes. The lack of an inside presence becomes obvious and the other guys attack the rim.
Damn, good timeout Collins.
Well it may seem like there is an inside presence when Hawes is there, but in reality there is no difference whether it's Thad or Hawes in the middle.
No point being 7'1" when you play like you're 6'1" out there.
Not a compliment for Hawes, but they get attacked more when Thad is there.
Thad is useless. Terrible, terrible defense.
It's a shame that Brand has no one next to him when he plays like we always thought he would when he first got here.
Good timeout. Need to make some subs here, imo. Get Turner in, mullet out. Not sure who's going to guard Wall while Jrue is on the bench.
I'd say Turner.
Might as well put AI9 on him
Dang. Jrue was dominating these clowns. How soon can we get him back in?
Start of the second, but Collins probably waits longer.
If the same guys are on the floor, I'd go zone. Trap Wall on the perimeter, don't let him penetrate. Young is the only guy you need to worry about on the perimeter.
No sub by Collins in the timeout.
Mullet gets a charity call.
Man, lot of whistles early here. Is that 2 on EB?
Enough with the jumpers.
Make Wall shoot jumpers, please.
Heh. Wall falls for the Lou pump-fake. 2 on Wall.
He's been killin em with that this season. Love it. Reminds me of Cassell.
Lou on Wall has to stop. That's a garbage call on Thad though.
Speights at the four. First time this year.
I reiterate, Thad is useless defensively.
It's a shame we didn't have Collins when Sammy was here.
Did Flip leave Wall in with 2, or did they gave that foul to someone else?
God damn it, gotta wonder why we're watching this team if they're not gonna play Turner. I find it short-sighted to not play him enough minutes since he was brought in to be part of this franchise's long-term future.
I swear, Cartier Martin is the second best Wizard.
-11 after Jrue went to the bench.
Sixers up 28-27 after the first.
Stopped running the offense as soon as Jrue came out. Looks like Lou is the problem there. Can't run offense with a shoot-first PG.
I seen Blatche pass the ball once, I almost fell out of my chair.
Bench has been really bad in the first q.
Collins told Turner to double Wall on 3-pointer
If you're going to try to play extended minutes with Thad at the 4, I don't think you can afford to have Lou guarding a penetrating guard like that. Has to be Jrue if Thad is at the 4. Lou's been a fucking turnstyle out there. Jesus.
Yeah, once again a 14 point lead trimmed down to 1. This time is a joke. Why do I even watch them? Is it worth our time? Wow, just wow. 14 points lost in 5min. For the 3rd straight game. How bad do you have to be to make that happen?
Let me guess. In the 2nd the Wizards make a run themselfs, go up by 10+ points and we have to fight that deficit the whole game.
Sixers Basketball, where dreams come true.
Can't say enough about Turner on the glass. You think he'd still be this effective if we had a decent rebounding big?
Would Reggie Evans be averaging 16 boards a game if Bargnani wasn't secretly a woman? He'd just be Reggie Evans.
The name is Andrea. Not such a secret.
Sick of the quick shots by Lou. Must drive coaches nuts
The last time I saw defending this bad was last season (many times) when some "coach" would throw out lineups like Speights/Thad/Kapono/Green/Lou.
I shudder at that thought. this season is much better in contrast.
Turner running the point w/ Jrue out there now. Or he did on that last play.
Jrue was right on Young there, nothing you can do about that.
This is silly. No reason at all for Lou to be playing the point with Turner and Jrue on the fucking floor.
Lou is gunning a l'il too much. He needs to penetrate more.
0/4, 2/4 from the line. Team is getting killed since he checked in, -18.
Or is it getting killed since Hawes checked out? Yes, I'm laughing...
get Brand in there.
I think Turner has 2 touches in the half-court offense. One he passed and the other was a fast break where he walked.
29-10 Wizard run.
Hmmm I always liked that Hinrich guy's game.
so predictable. Funny. Lou destroyed our game today. Just bad jumpers and worse defense.
Lou with a -18 in 9 minutes of play.
Impressive.
when did Lou Williams turn into Reggie Evans at the free throw line?
Turner needs to stop deferring and start looking for his shot.
Players collins already falls in love with: Lou and Hawes. Problem? I thought we wanted to build a defensive team!
Wall twice blew by LW.
This is just so wrong. Lou guarding the ball, Lou running the point.
The Wiz run seemed to correlate directly with Jrue sitting down and Lou coming in didn't it
Turner's been awful tonight so far.
Doesn't mean Kapono should play though.
So when someone else says it, is it considered blasting or just the truth?
I mean I think he's gonna be a good player.
There's a difference between saying a guy is playing like crap and saying he'll never be a shooting guard, he's going to suck, etc. based on 3 games, 1 of which was very good.
But it wasn't based on 3 games. I've stated many times before it was based on 2 yrs of watching his college games.
College games are meaningless at this point.
Am I petty if i have a problem with ETs shoes being Wizard colors.
Why do ya'll make it sound like Lou is on the court when the Wizards got the ball? Oh he is on the court? It's like he's not there...
well I go to bed, this team is a joke. I predicted 10min ago that we will fall back ten points. Guess what, it happens right now. And that after a 14 point lead. All midway through the 2nd quarter. This team has to be the worst in history.
It's painfully obvious that if Jrue, Brand, and AI9 are on the floor, the team gets its best shots.
Brand gets early position, Jrue finds him for the easy conversion vs. Yi. Need more of that.
Brand looks really solid out there.
why is the defense so bad after good starts? The 2nd unit seems to destroy everything. Lou does more harm than good. Turner has to start to get some veteran leadership with Nocioni of the bench.
Holiday - Turner - Iguodala - Brand - Speights
Lou - Nocioni - Thad - Battie
9man rotation. Not one more please. Hawes shouldn't even be activated. This scrub will be out of the league in 2 years.
Speights can't possibly be any worse than Hawes has been, on both ends of the floor. I'm behind this plan.
If Kapono was ever going to dunk in an NBA game, that was it.
14 assists on 16 FG.
Are you at the game, Tom? How's the crowd for their home opener?
Early post ups. Their bigs are lazy, that's there every time.
Jrue just got toasted by Wall, then turned it over on the other end. Come on.
Speights needs more consistent minutes. He looks a little rusty on offense.
3 on Speights?
They're running offense again, now that Jrue's back in. That was a complete cluster the entire time Lou was in there. Can't believe they had him running the point when J & T were both on the floor. What a disgrace.
Why is Jrue out? For Lou?
Looking to give WASH a nice little run to end the half, I guess. Damnit.
B/c of the fouls I'd assume. SO he wouldn't pick up his third.
Yeah, probably. Same for Brand, I assume. Hawes rocks, by the way.
pretty disgusted that Lou gets more minutes than Turner despite being horrid. At least Turner rebounds and defends when he's playing poorly unlike Lou
Speights doesn't look like he can be a better defender than Hawes, but he at least is solid on offense if he doesn't gun every time. He stoppd that since he got benched early in the last games. Hopefully that will continue. With his touch and post moves, he could be really good down there.
That was a nice play, have to think Collins drew that up during the TO.
The plight of a bad defender. Speights actually gets a hand in a guys face and it's still buried right in his eye. That always seems to happen doesn't it
Yep. Same thing used to happen to Korver. Even when he did everything right, guys would hit shots they shouldn't. I think it's a confidence thing, like if you have Speights guarding you, you can relax because you know it's going to be easy.
agreed. happens to Thad a lot too
And here comes Hawes. Insurance that they won't end the half w/ the lead. Awesome, offensive foul.
Keep shooting, Lou. Keep shooting.
Yo its official Collins don't like Turner right now. He makes 2 mistakes we don't see him again, Lou makes like 7 he's right back in a couple minutes later. Collins scowls at Turner every time cause he's still angry Eddie S didn't take his boy Favors or his workout wonder Wes Johnson in the draft. :(
We should trade Lou as long as his value is high. Just terrible. No understanding of the game and if his pump fake isn't working, he's almost useless.
Holiday has to make sure to stay out of foul trouble. He has to play almost the whole 2nd half in order for us to have a chance to grab this win.
I can't believe I'm still awake for this team. 1 am and I have to get up at 6:30 am. If they lose, this will be the last time I watched them live under the week.
Are they purposefully playing Turner less minutes the first night of the back to back? Barely played against the Hawks last week also.
If they are it makes zero sense. Why not use your good players vs a team that is equally shitty and try to win the game today, and worry about tmrws game tomorrow.
I think this is the year we trade Iguodala. The NBA's not baseball, but we're almost too bad to justify having a player that good on our roster. Even with him it feels like we have a shot at worst record in the league.
So, what does that say about Dre? Really....
Probably a lot less than you think it does.
The records don't lie. You love facts, right?
I like the truth, facts are neither truth nor lie, but they can be interpreted (poorly) to present an inaccurate result if one doesn't know what the facts represent.
You can break down how bad Lou was in so many ways. I like 7 shots in 12 minutes, all misses.
Jrue, Iguodala (not shooting well but a surprisingly effective half), and Brand are the best players at both ends of the floor.
I really want to know why the bench is incapable of running the offense. Is it just Lou? Is it Thad? Speights?
I think it involves the low IQ level of all of em. They just don't know how to read and react off those cluster sets. If EJ did one thing, it's he exposed this fatal flaw of some of our players.
Just a bunch of raw AAU athletes that had limited college (or none) and exposure to the concepts and principles of the game.
Yeah they have a low IQ, but I don't know about the AAU comparison completely (Thad and Lou maybe). The starters all had little college experience though (Iggy had 2 years and was just an athlete). I just think they are more willing to run it.
Young did too much damage and turner/jrue were unable to D.
Lou it's awful tonight on both ends (0-7 FG!!!!!). AI9 and Brand, I like how they are playing. Kapono, Hawes, Speights... no comment.
I am all for giving Hawes' minutes to Speights. We have to see if we have anything that is salvageable, there.
CSTH
How about Hawes uber-flexible wrists when he attempts to run? Funny as heck.
Nice way to put it.
That's good defense. Double Wall, 20-footer for Blatche.
lol @ Jrue's air ball.
These clear path plays should not be reviewed, waste of time.
Alright Bill Kennedy, not a clear path. Don't need all day. Ridiculous.
Good call, finally. That wasn't a clear path. It probably wasn't a necessary foul. Iguodala was tracking him for the block.
Lol Spencer hawes, He gets about 2 minutes of rest because of the review yet he still walks up the court on offense. God bless him.
Brand needs more touches. 5/6 for 12 so far.
Just let him dunk the ball Hawes. Useless.
Heh. I'm really not sure what Hawes was trying to do on that dunk. I guess he's never been on a poster before.
He was so late, he wouldn't have even made the poster.
Great look by Jrue. Hawes with the finish!
Jrue and AI9 have 14 assists, see what happens when you run offense?
Bade sequence for Jrue. Alright you made a mistake, no need to compound it.
I missed part of 2nd quarter but isn't that stat a tad deceptive? Most have come on fast breaks/running up findnig open guy immediately not from run offense?
I could be wrong fwiw.
Did Turner really play 7 minutes? I didn't think he was out there that long.
Turner played 7:17 in the first half.
It's embarrising right now. Holiday has to calm down. Iguodala plays piss poor offensivly. And Nocioni jucks ill advised jumpers. Sub Turner in for Nocioni.
Hawes actually had some nice plays, but he is just so soft. Put Battie in and try to make a run with those 5.
There's no need to sit Jrue w/ 3. Don't do it, please.
JTI!
Crisp passes on the perimeter, Jrue.
Yi trying to post up Iguodala is pretty funny.
Iguodala's form looked off on that three.
Here's your lineup, Speights, Brand, Iguodala, Turner, Holiday.
Wall is dominating w/ the steals. Jesus.
Ugh, Jrue really needs to take better care of the ball. Wall is a special talent defensively, but come on.
Aaaand, Lou is in for Jrue after this timeout.
Surprise surprise look where we are. almost 10 points down. Holiday just plays out of control right now. 5 TO is very bad. Wall schools him right now. Brand trys to keep us in the game. But he alone isn't enough. This team is so bad, we could be in for a very long season. Will we be worse than the Nets of last year? I can imagine it right now. We're pretty close.
They're giving Wall 7 steals.
How many turnovers is that this quarter? Has to be approaching 10, doesn't it?
10 it is.
4 fouls on Speights.
Turner needs to take that all the way to the rack.
At least make them think you're going to. Draw the defender, then dish.
Agreed...but right now he's not even thinking about shooting.
What happened to the guy who crossed over DWade?
He's not confident in his jumper.
Holy shit what a dunk.
1-on-3, Iguodala dunks on all of them.
Will somebody PLEASE tell Evan Turner to shoot the frigging ball?
Deferring to Iguodala 20 feet away from the basket rarely works.
Sixers down by six at the end of the third. Possibly the worst quarter I've ever seen as far as taking care of the ball goes.
Anyone else see the job Turner did late on Wall, causing two turnovers? Really good job on him.
Sixers had 10 turnovers in the third. 19 in game now.
Wall is just a special talent. He has the speed and knack for the ball of Iverson, the passing and understand of the game of Nash and a solid defense that might transform into great really fast. It's sad we missed out on him. He would have been a great replacement for the Iverson era.
Lot of burn for Speights tonight. Hawes should be out of the starting lineup tomorrow.
I would start Battie at center.
Of course, Hawes is plus-6 in the game.
I hate Speights' face!
Man, Turner looks like he belongs on JV.
In what sense? Rebounding the basketball? Defense on Wall?
Just his overall game, to me. He looks so timid. Just going through the motions. His desire to go get boards is nice, but I didn't want a #2 draft pick to be my rebounder as his best asset. We could have signed a free agent for that.
I don't think he's going through the motions - he's just deferring too fucking much.
Shoot. The. Damn. Ball.
5 on Speights.
Evan Turner could not stand farther away from the ball on offense if he tried.
I just realized I could walk from school 5 blocks and see the game. Should've thought of that earlier.
Jrue and Lou are going to have to go off to get back in this game.
They need EB back in.
Think I saw him going to the scorer's table. Jrue with a pretty dish to Thad, followed by Lou & 1. Wonder if Lou gets up.
"They need EB back in"
Wow - that looks weird to read.
Have they had Lou, Turner, Andre, Brand out there as a group yet?
Not tonight.
It's really disappointing Jrue can't put together a good game. We clearly need him to perform well if they have any chance of winning. Such a good start too...
How long till the organization and Turner himself understand that he has to be the #1 option in order to build a team here? I say till we are 0 - 15 and Iguodala is on the verge of being traded.
Will we even win a game this year? I'm so down on this team right now. I can't see us winning anything right now.
The Sixers are going to win this game. Mark my words.
This little run has been nice, good to see Turner scoring. But you know Nick Young is going to make some back-breaking 3s down the stretch.
I'd say that if Turner is your #1 option you won't have much of a team. Not that I don't want to see what he's capable of but I don't think that's what he's going to turn out to be.
We should trade Iggy while he still has some sort of trade value.
He has a lot of trade value and it's not going anywhere any time soon.
Percy Jones! HERE WE COME.
Perry.
Whatever, 1-2 draft pick! WEEEE.
God, Wall makes such a difference for WASH. They needed to get him back in.
Yikes, is Evan Turner even faster than Andray Blatche
Turner is playing GREAT defense on Wall. His length is really bothering Wall in the halfcourt.
I miss Sam. Can we get him back since he gets no burn in Sac?
Here we go w/ Lou running the point again w/ Jrue and Turner out there. Bleh.
Game is going to be tied here. Sixers will win.
Has a team ever finished a season with their 6th man as the leading scorer?
Maybe Ginobili's done it?
Wall's 7th turnover. Take the lead here.
That was a really nice play. Patient on offense too.
ET taking over!!
Woo....that looked like a good block by McGee.
Could someone explain to me what the "he was in the cylinder" is? The announcer was talking about it after that play.
Imagine the rim extended up to the ceiling. You can't touch the ball when it's anywhere in that cylinder.
Hmmm, do you bring Iggy for Thad in soon?
I've been sitting here curious why Dre is on the bench too?
They're playing well. I don't have a problem with it.
yeah, i agree, was just wondering...
Hope Iggy is enjoying the view from the bench.
Love that steal by Brand.
Quadruple double alert - 2 steals and 2 turnovers and Wall has the quad dub.
There's no need to close out on Wall hard like EB just did. He doesn't want to shoot jumpers and Jrue/Turner have figures it out. He's almost Rondo-like in that aspect.
Ugh. Wish that went in.
For Wall to be a truly great point guard, he needs to learn not to pass to Blatche 18 feet from the basket.
Lucky there was no foul called there.
Wow. Lou with the dagger. Holy crap.
He certainly caught fire in the fourth. Gotta give him that.
The sixers have to be shooting nearly 50% from downtown in the 4th quarter this year, unreal how we are shooting.
LOL
If anything, I'd put Iguodala in for Thad at this point.
Heh. That was pretty ugly, but Turner will take it.
Bad time for a TO, Jrue. Fuck.
Hickson with 31 in a loss. Rondo with another 15 assists with a quarter to go.
Damn, maybe Collins should have used a timeout there? They looked lost against that zone.
Give the ball to Turner please.
OK, put it away at the line.
Come on Lou, make 2.
Don't you want Percy Jones?
I want at least one win this season.
Alright, up by 3. Not sure what lineup I'd go with for defense on this possession. No need for WASH to go for a three.
Probably Jrue, Turner, Nocioni, Iguodala, Brand, believe it or not. That's pitiful.
Wow, Lou turned it really around. Amazing 4th quarter but he had some tough shots in there. Turner has been great so far in the 4th.
iguodala's head isn't in the game right now.
Not having played for basically the whole quarter is a big part.
it'd be interesting to see what transpired to cause that. Collins going to say "again I'm trying to find the best combination" again?
Why not take the TO and advance the ball?
Either that was INCREDIBLY stupid by Iguodala or Collins didn't tell these guys to take a TO if the Wiz made a 2.
Can they now NOT move the ball to the frontcourt?
Why do I get the feeling John Wall could walk into the lane if he wanted to? He's real good and real quick but our defense is BAD.
Seems like an accurate assessment.
Gotta play better D on Wall here, but they are protecting the arc, so it is easier for him.
It's really sad that Lo Williams is the only one on this team who can draw fouls
Lou with effortless clutch free throws
It's amazing considering he went 2/4 at the beginning of the game.
You guys like that intentional foul?
Yes, I like the intentional foul up 3 with minimal time left, I think it's bad that the NBA coaches don't use it more. It's a solid move
I like it here, w/ 3 seconds left. I don't like it with 10 seconds left.
Too early. If he makes a three there, then we still have 5 seconds to win the game.
If Lou makes 2 here though, it's not that bad.
You foul him, he makes at most 2, you still hve a one point lead and yo uget the ball to lou who has been pretty ice on the line. Trading 2 for 2 is better than a heave three
it's a free throw contest now
Jesus, again they don't take the TO to move the ball up the floor. Why the hell not?
too easy.
You'd think they'd start denying Lou the ball.
Lou with one of the most improbable 30 point nights ever.
The Sixers just had a 40 point quarter. How many of that is Lou's?
If you have lou williams in a H2H fantasy league, your FT% (and FTM) is getting a huge boost tonight, your FG% is gettting bitch slapped :)
Fuck me.
That's just fucking hilarious. Absolutely hilarious.
Tell me he had a foot on the line, please.
Why is the game going into over time WHY DIDN"T THEY FOUL HIM?
Heave three, they played straight up. Makes no sense when you foul with 7 seconds.
I told you Cartier Martin is their second best player. He's a solid 8th-9th man.
unbelievable. A joke. Stupid. I hate this team. We will lose now most definatly. I have to go to bed, my time of sleep is going away.
Hahahaha I almost died with laughter.
Well if the team going to OT every game is what it takes to get Turner his minutes then let it happen.
They actually did. Could've been a four-point play.
If you aren't smiling you're a robot. This team is so fucking snake-bit there's nothing to do but smile.
Should have fouled someone much earlier, like moment ball comes in - dear goodness
Come on man: a free throw contest with DC and it goes to over-time? Wow...how far the Sixers have fallen
106-106 after regulation. Overtime it is.
here's Brian's fav lineup!
Jrue-Lou-Turner-Iguodala-Brand
Yeah, like the lineup. Let's see if it works. Easy shot, missed by Turner.
Shouldn't there of been .9 seconds lleft in the 4th? the ball clearly went in with .9 left..? meh i don't get the nba rules.
Sick D by Jrue on Wall.
F-me. Good foul by Wall.
Damn, I hope Blatche keeps going at Dre.
God Damnit. Fucking turns it right back over. Pass it to AI9 and it's a dunk.
So dumb.
And AI9 takes his frustration out by heaving a 3 and as you might expect, bricking it.
heh, Brand talking to ET right there telling him to "hold the ball, hold the ball"....he doesn't have confidence in the rook bringing it up in traffic, hence the turnover
Bad shot. Come on. They want to lose this.
That was a very stupid 3 way too early in the clock. Has to stop doing that
ILL! sick pass
Are you kidding me with that shot?
Iguodala has the easiest defensive assignment at the end of regulation...and he was LATE. And then he takes THAT shot?
Go back to the bench, son.
Yes, we get it, it's all his fault
Amazing. We will lose this game and I will lose 4 hours of sleep. Thank you very much sixers.
trading buckets. c'mon get some stops.
there we go
Got one
Alright, here we go. Take the lead on this possession, damnit.
You can't win a basketball game when your opponent is scoring on every possession.
Well unless you have more possessions. Hahaha. Anyone else praying we see a Turner game-winner?
Fun game, we didn't deserve to be in it, did the announcers say we shot 80% in the 4th quarter? Crazy how good we are shooting in the 4th.
Also why didn't the clock stop with .9 seconds in the 4th after cartier martin hit the 3?
sigh, not supposed to be a reply.
It did stop, but there was 0.4 left on the clock. They inbounded the ball and heaved a shot that didn't count. Pretty sure they had a timeout, but chose not to use it, for the third time.
Of the many things tonight, this has been bugging the heck out of me. Why didn't they use a timeout to advance the ball and set up a shot in the half court? They just inbounded it and heaved a prayer.
EB!!!!
EB!!!!
where's the foul???? Brand out of the game.
Old man goes glass, one freaking stop damnit!
Brand might have just a little trade value right now.
I'm shocked Lou made that pass
Me too. EB should have taken the first shot too, it was a good look.
He checked the shot clock, saw he had time, so he got himself an even better look...and then a cheap ass foul call on brand...that was ball
Haha that was in no way a better shot.
Elton Brand knows better than you or I what is a better shot for him, I'll defer to his judgment.
An wide-open eight foot open jumper is typically better than a 12 foot contested fadeaway.
Again, I'm going to go with Elton Brand knowing better than me or you. If you think you know better than Brand, give him a call
It was pretty deep on the catch, more like 18 feet. An open 18 is easier than a contested 12, though. For the most part. Either way, solid game for EB.
I agree, he should have pulled it off the pass, he made it more difficult after he dribbled.
The bank is open!
Player of the game, up for grabs.
I ALWAYS have a bad feeling when we're up 1 or 2 and the other team can hold for the last shot.
Come on Blatche, miss at least one.
Shit, EB's done.
NOw I understand why wall looked so pissed off coming of that timeout. The play was for blatche
BULLSHIT!
Fuck me. Hate to see a foul called there.
Who gets the game-winner? I'm saying Lou.
Turner now. Come on. He's our guy.
That was about as clean an NBA block as you are going to see.
Damn.
battie better be setting some damn good screens to justify being on the floor right now
And Dre......with a ..............BOINK! Gotta love it, cuz you'll cry if you don't
Turner on the bench. Iguodala misses the 15-footer. Sixers record, completely tarnished.
115-116.
This aint even right yo. :(
Iggy again. God damn it.
iggy what the hell???
Nothing he could do. Play was for Lou, WASH cut it off. Iguodala had to shoot that and it was a tough look.
APologist, he just sucks
Lou made some equally tough looks. Shooting the ball just isn't his forte. Which is okay, not everybody's a shooter, but it does hamper us a little.
The way the refs were calling the game, Lou probably gets a foul call if he takes the shot and just hits the ground anyway.
The offense was good enough to win...we may be the worst defensive team out there.
At least Wall realizes the turnovers were a big problem.
He had to pull that one, Lou gave it to him. He caught it in a terrible spot too.
Wall gave a postgame interview on the DC feed and the first thing he said was he turned the ball over too much. A smart player.
Can someone explain to me why we have Evan Turner sitting on the bench for the last play?? Isn't he supposed to be the future of the franchise?? Wasn't he the #2 pick???
and obviously, it was Iguodala missing the shot. And bricking that 3 early on the shot clock. Iguodala is losing trade value by the second. We have to trade him NOW!
What is Doug Collins doing? Trying to get to the playoffs?!?!?! Come on.
Can we trade you and all your ilk to a Nets board?
of course, everybody blames the guy who took the last shot with the clock winding down. this game was lost because this team cannot defend the paint without fouling. The Wizards took 43 free throws tonight.
Andre did not play well tonight. It happens.
Fuckin iguodala i love the guy but when he came back in the game the mom tum went right back to the wizards.
Why Turner wasn't in at the end, I'll never know...
Felt like Thaddeus deserved every single minute out there in the OT.
Can't say the same about Iguodala.
Your tone may be different if Turner doesn't try to dribble through four guys in OT, including Wall. Dre is wide open for a dunk and Turner for some reason doesn't give it up. Damnit.
They got back into the game with Turner on the floor. He defended the shit out of Wall when assigned to him.
You know in your heart of hearts that Dre was not good tonight. No need to apologize for him
And you know you just want to criticize him...
Magee you can't be serious, he didn't play well. You can't admit this? Why?
Because Iguodala is the basketball equivalent of Bobby Abreu, and Ryan Howard, and all the other great statistical superstars whose achievements will go unrecognized for centuries until archaeologists discover a brilliant mathematical proof of their greatness, written on a scroll buried on Magee's basement.
LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL! post of the month
LOL Tray that was hilarious.
lol, I was at that game as well.
Greatest post ever made for sure!
Did I say he played well?
The sixers lost, and they have a lot of players on their team.
You feel the need to blame one guy when a lot of guys are to blame...I understand you're irrational hatred of Iguodala makes you blind to anything anyone else did wrong, but it's ok, he'll be traded soon and then you can just find someone else to blame.
It's a condition I've become familiar with while rooting for another sports team, target your best player for constant abuse.
See, that's an implicit reference to the Phillies and Bobby Abreu/Ryan Howard (who's not our best player, that's probably Werth).
He's the "franchise" player Magee, guys look to him to step up in these kind of games. He should shoulder a significant portion of the blame when they lose. Same goes for Elton, but he was great tonight.
Is that really all yo uhave left, that tired asinine argument that demonstrates you have no appreciation for what Iguodala can do, you just want him to do X based on his salary, and his came should have some how changed once his salary changed.
Useless
He's a very good player.
He didn't play well tonight.
He isn't above criticism.
You really need to stop treating people like children when you're upset. It kind of ruins the comment section for myself, and for others as well.
You speak the truth!!!!!!!!!!!!
I wasn't apologizing for him. Hey, I thought Turner was alright tonight: good defensively and shaky offensively for the most part. He did miss a wide open J in overtime too. Iggy did make two good defensive plays in OT, and it's hard to play when you are cold. He wasn't that good, but he had nine assists. Hardly awful.
I didn't have a problem with leaving Thad out there, but he also was a major part of letting Washington get back into the game immediately. Don't forget that.
That was the play that turned the game, imo. Ugh.
0-4, and I don't think I'm going out on a limb in saying they're going 0-5 after tomorrow night. Heavy minutes for Brand tonight, and they're even more helpless when he isn't on the floor.
Are they going to be the last team to win a game?
You're assuming they're going to win one.
Well, yeah, I think they'll win 1 before they lose 10 (without looking at the schedule)
Maybe even 0-6! Unlike Washington, Cleveland actually does have a good post player. Hickson scored 31 tonight on 11-17 shooting. And if we lose that game, we should be 0-10 at least.
Yeah, that's a 4 point swing when Jrue put together two great defensive possessions in a row.
Bad play at the end of regulation by Iguodala, but I thought he played a pretty good game creating shots for guys and running the floor beautifully. That's his game. Can't fault him for that last shot either, had to take it. I don't know why we can't put Kapono,Nocioni,Holiday, and Iguodala out there and just spread it for Lou. Chances are he draws a foul. The play they ran for him didn't have enough spacing.
The play was for Lou - Lou was double covered, the play call was not FOR iguodala he just had to try and bail lou out because he dribbled right into a double team
I'm aware of that...the "him" in my last sentance was referring to Lou.
ANd I was replying to this part
Bad play at the end of regulation by Iguodala, but I thought he played a pretty good game creating shots for guys and running the floor beautifully.
The play wasn't his, it was Lou's bail out after he dribbled into the double, which to me puts it on Lou, Iguodala had a bad angle but got the ball in a bad place as Lou didn't see what was coming.
Man..., he said regulation and you're talking bout overtime.
I was talking about failing to foul Martin at the end of regulation. Relax guy...it was a pro-Iguodala post anyway.
Were we watching the same game?
Did you like Iguodala's shot selection - particularly in the guts of the game (the last shot aside)? What did you think of his defense on Martin? Do you think there was ANY correlation with him sitting on the bench and the Sixers taking the lead in the 4th quarter?
You're focusing on a few missed jumpers way too much. He made a ton of plays out there tonight.
Well see that's how the Palins work. They just focus on the one flaw instead of seeing the whole picture. That's where the irrational part comes from :)
I'm not talking about the first six minutes of the game...I am talking about the 4th quarter...when the Sixers came back to take the lead, Iguodala was on the bench.
Point is, this is now Iguodala's SEVENTH year in the league, and he still takes shots that make me shake my head. He was 4-for-4 in the lane, but only 1-for-8 outside of the lane. It is a real dilemma, because he can do so many things...but in the halfcourt, his perimeter shooting and less-than-stellar handle limit what he can effectively do. He should be a facilitator, but when you have guys like Holiday and Turner (who hopefully will not defer as much as time goes by) out there with him, by default he tries to score the ball, and - as we saw tonight - it simply is not his strength.
But even with all of that, if he defends Martin like he is capable of defending him (which starts with being in his jock and not even letting him receive the ball in the first place...or at least being close enough to him to foul him before he can get a shot off), we win the game...period.
THAT is why I am so frusttrated with Iguodala tonight. We all know his offensive limitations...and I could live with those a LOT better if he defended that last play to his capabilities, which - in my mind - he came NOWHERE NEAR doing.
(how's THAT for rational analysis, jem?)
This game should have NEVER gone to overtime. Our "best" defensive player let some scrub off the bench get the space to get off a 3. Utterly and completely inexcusable.
Yo, Andre...the way the Wiz was in your grill when you tried to get that last shot off? THAT is the way you defend a final shot, bro.
I respect Iguodala's game greatly, but the shit that he brought tonight on the floor has GOT to go. Bad shot selection. Uninspired defense. Now wonder Collins sat him for most of the 4th quarter...which neatly coincided with the Sixers taking the lead. All Iggy had to do was guard a guy who has played a grand total of 688 minutes in his 3-year NBA career and not let him even get the ball...much less get a shot off.
Pathetic.
Do you think he even understands how he let his team down tonight?
I thought he was kind of all over Cartier and Cartier was forced to shoot it really awkwardly.
Though to be sure, Andre backed off of him as he took the shot so as to not foul the shooter. But he made the shot tough, I thought.
And yet the ref called the fake foul when Brand fouled out...such a shame
Tray:
The point is Martin should have NEVER had such an easy chance to get the ball in the first place...Iguodala was so far off of him that it was easy to receive the ball. If he is one step closer, he fouls him as he receives the ball and Martin is shooting two.
There's irrational hatred and there's rational analysis. Do you think you'll ever know the difference?
And your point is?
Iguodala was WAY behind Martin...allowing him to recieve the ball WAY too easily.
Do you disagree?
We played our best basketball in 4th with the lineup of Holiday, Williams, Turner, Young and Brand with Iguodala being on the bench. The game should have never went to overtime we seriously choked tonight guys.
I still can't believe Martin hit that three. That was a crazy shot, probably like 5% chance of going in, if that.
It was absolute horse shit that's for sure...but it wasn't quite as bad as the half court game winner from Devis Harris...I'm sure we all remember that.
You mean this one?
Yeah, I remember. That's my face right under Devin Harris' elbow. Worst live sporting moment of my life, and the game didn't mean a thing.
I was trying not to recall that game
Its the 76ers. Any meaningful shot by the opposition at the buzzer will fall. I'm almost certain that we've fallen to more end of regulation shots than any other team in the league over the last 4 years. I'd love to know what those statistics are.
#1 pick next summer here we come baby!
For a season that's not going to happen...that would be kind of awesome.
Not to mention how the lottery plays out
See, this pisses me off. The Sixers have the second night of a back-to-back tomorrow at home. That's already taking away from the home court advantage. On top of that, the Pacers didn't play tonight. That's just the schedule makers fucking with a crappy team.
It always bothers me when a team has to play a back to back, travel and the other team didn't have to play the night before. I know it's difficult to make an NBA schedule, but I always think it's such a mess, like when a team plays one game in a week...what the f is that?
I believe their new nickname should be Palins. It's easier that way
This makes watching election results so much more painful
Our roster is just too uneven. I'm officially ok with trading the entire roster sans Holiday/Turner to try and re-vamp this group of players into an actual basketball team. Guys like Thad, Speights, Nocioni, Hawes should be hung out as bait sooner rather later. Hopefully Thorn makes something happen around here.
It's been that way for a while now.
Bench guys who do nothing but score...
The only thing really different from last year is that the sixers gave away one of the best interior defenders in the game and replaced him with squadoosh.
Turner -15 tonight when he was on the court? Is that accurate (from yahoo)?
Its accurate. In the first half he was playing when Lou went 0 for 7 and the team got clobbered.
Lou Williams after 116-115 OT loss: "We’re trying to ice the game. We made our free throws and did all the right things and (Cartier Martin) makes a tough, circus shot. It’s just our luck right now."
Brand: "That was an amazing shot to put it into overtime " ’Dre (Iguodala) was all over him. We had that one won."
“We did everything right except win the game,” Collins said. “We did a lot of good things and have nothing to show for it except a tough, tough loss.”
“We did everything right except win the game"
I really hope he doesn't believe that.
It would be more accurate to say, "We did almost nothing right, and still almost won the game. Wow, Washington's bad."
Sorry to say but my ride on the Iguodala band wagon has ended for this team. It's not that the guy can't play bit his mental aproach to the game hasn't changed since he's been anointed as the best player on the team. He had every match-up advantage in his favor tonight an went out and played his worst game if this short season. If he doesn't want earn the title of being a star, a go-to player or a winner then it's time to find someone who will.
That's not fair. He's just miscast as a go-to guy. Who says he has to be one to be a good player?
He doesn't. He just has to defend his man on the last possession in regulation like the lockdown defender that he is supposed to be.
Everybody is talking about Martin making a "circus shot", but the bottom line is that a truly GREAT defender wouldn't let a scrub like Martin even get a shot off...or at least send him to the line.
So great defenders don't allow the players they're guarding to get shots off, period.
To be fair, Iguodala kind of fouled him. Very easily could have been a four point play. If Iguodala is going to be physical with him as soon as he catches the ball, I'd expect a much harder foul.
So now he should've fouled him harder. Running a risk of giving him three free-throws.
The idea was to foul the ball handler from the start...
Iggy committed a pretty soft foul there, he's lucky it didn't get called.
It was a ridiculous shot, I just think a more decisive hard foul at the moment the ball is caught leads to 2 free throws and a Sixers win.
I'm not sure we were trying to foul there. I don't think he was.
My guess is they were trying to foul. They fouled on the previous possession, w/ 10 seconds left. I don't see any reason they wouldn't do the same with 3 seconds left.
Thing is Derek Fisher is a good player. Kendrick Perkins is a good player. Andre Miller is a good player. Iguodala has twice as much talent as them but half of the mental attitude toward playing your hardest to win. How long does he get a pass for being miscast as a scorer/leader/go-to player? Some guys have it and some guys don't. I don't think Iguodala wants it.
Missed the game. Was on planes all day.
Looks like much of the same... good games from Lou, Brand, Young, and "debatable" good/decent games from Turner/Iguodala.
Terrible games from Hawes, Kapono, Speights, and Holiday.
Only difference is we got the bad Nocioni.
Shocked with Brand's play. Really doubt it continues, but really good play from him even though he is still isn't rebounding enough. (he never really did)
I didn't watch the game, though. Accurate or off a bit?
No, Holiday didn't have a terrible game. Where would you get that idea?
Jrue was flat out awesome. Went toe to toe with Wall in the 2nd half. Ate his lunch in the first half
He did have six turnovers, with a lot of them coming in the 3rd quarter. He was awesome in the 1st and at the end of the game running with EB.
I have two qualms with Jrue through 4 games: turnovers and fouls. Jrue can be really great if he values the ball better. Sometimes his turnovers are really careless. Also he has to learn how to play pressure D without fouling. It hurt the team when he had to leave in the 1st, and one of the fouls was careless. I believe he's picked up early fouls at least twice this year.
I think its fair to expect turnovers/foul trouble from a guy still adjusting to the league though. He'll get there. He was pretty remarkable for a stretch in the 4th and the OT
And wall had how many turnovers?
Entertaining and frustrating game. John Wall is the real deal. Collins is probably thinking Heir will be a top 6 pg in this league now lol. I was for the Dalembert trade but Sacto is laughing their asses off right now. Hawes should not play 5 minutes.
The funny thing about the trade is that both Hawes and noc are in our starting line up and Dalembert is coming off the bench in Sac.
The trade really made me rethink Dalemberts contract, always thought he was overpaid but wow his defense+rebounding made him worth the 10 million a year.
Since I'm usually the resident EB hater around here, I have to admit I'm really impressed by what I saw tonight from him. If he can just be a little more consistent with his shooting on the tail end of back to backs, I'll be thrilled. I saw a little bit of what made him a headache for opponents all those years in LA. Hope it wasn't just a mirage against LaMarcus Aldrige Lite (Blatche)
Bebop, you need to seriously calm down. I just watched the replay. Iguodala got picked, fought over it and was there on the catch. Coming from the far side, in that situation, he played as well as it could be played and he challenged it as well as it could be challenged. He went to foul on the catch, but Martin caught and immediately went up with the ball. If he grabs him, it's a three-shot foul. At that point, you'd rather have him take the desperation three than give him three freebies.
You're right. It looks to me like he tries to foul, and if anything that's the thing he did wrong, because by the time he takes that foul, it would be all too easy to throw up a shot and get continuation. Once he sees that Martin is going up, he does the right thing in getting the hell out of the way.
Link to blogs on loss to Wizards:
http://www.phillyburbs.com/opinions/blogs/intell_blogs/tom_moore.html