The A.S. festivities are over, the Sixers will be back at practice later tonight, but we've got a couple of days to kill before they lace 'em up for real. If you're lucky enough to have today off from work, enjoy it. If you're stuck in the office, we've got more than enough topics to kill the time.
Obviously, lacking any actual games to talk about and with the trade deadline (Thursday) looming, Carmelo Anthony's future is dominating the national basketball media these days. The latest as of this writing is that Denver has known where Melo would agree to sign all along, the Knicks have made their last, best offer, Teddy KGB met with Melo in LA and it opulent, and Melo said he'll be suiting up for the Nuggets on Tuesday night.
There have been so many leaks, presumably from all sides, so many lines drawn in the sand (then erased), and so many peripheral characters, it's a shame this wasn't a reality show. You have Melo's fame-hungry wife, you have world-wide-Wes, you have Dolan vs. Prokhorov. Even Isiah Thomas has somehow wormed his way into the rumors. Best I can tell, these are the two offers on the table, roughly:
Knicks lose: Felton, Chandler, Gallinari, Curry, a first-round pick, maybe Anthony Randolph
Knicks get: Melo, Chauncey Billups, Balkman, Shelden Williams
Nets lose: 4 first-round picks, Derrick Favors, Devin Harris, Troy Murphy
Nets get: Melo, Chauncey Billups and maybe other players
It's all very confusing and other teams would need to be involved, but basically, either the Knicks or the Nets would be sending out a ton and getting back both Melo and Billups. The latest word is that Timofey Mozgov may be the player that's holding up the process. Denver wants him, the Knicks don't want to include him.
Here's the thing, though. I think the Nuggets and the Nets are forcing the Knicks to bid against themselves, Donnie Walsh isn't falling for it, but Dolan and Isiah Thomas are. I don't think there's any chance in hell Melo will sign an extension with the Nets, Denver knows this, they've known it from the jump, and Prokhorov probably knows it as well. If he would sign with NJ/Brooklyn, he'd already be wearing a Nets uniform. The deal NJ is offering is a fresh start with a tremendous amount of upside. The deal the Knicks are offering is Danillo and a bag of balls in terms of long-term assets. Felton is a good PG, but he's not going to be there long term, in fact, they'd probably look to move him if they could. The 2014 first-round pick from NYK is basically valueless right now, we're talking three years down the road. Wilson Chandler will be a restricted free agent this summer, and he's no long term answer. These packages aren't even remotely close in value, not when Denver is clearly waiving the white flag in either of these deals by putting Billups into the package.
New Jersey's package is hands-down the best offer. It's been on the table forever, publicly, and now at the 11th hour the Nets owner suddenly has a meeting with Melo to rekindle interest and cause panic in the Garden. Denver turns the screws for a couple more days, gets one last asset out of the Knicks, and then they lick their wounds as the Arron Afflalo era begins in the Mile High City. Meanwhile, Prokhorov at least has the satisfaction of knowing he forced the Knicks to pay more than they were comfortable with. That's not really supposition, either, Prokhorov said as much in an interview last night.
At the end of the day, I do believe Melo will be a Knick. I also believe Mozgov will probably be included in the deal, and this is the roster the Knicks will go to war with the rest of the season:
PG: Billups/Douglas
SG: Fields/Douglas
SF: Melo/Balkman/Walker
PF: Amare/Shawne Williams
C: Turiaf/S. Williams
They're going to be left extremely thin at the guards and also extremely thin in their front court, but they'll have their two high-usage scorers. Is this team better than the team they're currently putting on the floor? I don't know. Melo is clearly better than Galo, though Gallo shoots the three much better (which is important in D'Antoni's system). Billups has been much, much better than Felton this year, but he's 34-years-old and there's no one behind him on the Knick bench. Felton has been playing almost 39 minutes/game, out of necessity. Will Billups be able to handle that type of work load?
Ultimately, there are plenty of bad teams for the Knicks to beat up on, and Melo + Amare will do just that. I don't see them losing to many bad teams. The better teams, though, who actually play a little defense, will give them a ton of problems. I still think the Sixers have a decent shot at the #6 seed after the trade, but the Knicks will be a better team in terms of wins/losses, at least by a game or two.
Well, there you go. I complain about the national media devoting all their time to the Melo situation, then I go and write 800+ words on it. Anyway, that's my take on the situation, what's yours? If he goes to the Knicks, do they become out of reach? If he goes to the Nets, are they a threat this year or next?
Other topics:
- Will the Sixers make a move before the deadline?
- Did you enjoy the All Star game? Personally, I thought the fourth quarter was played very hard and was fun to watch. It was especially fun watching Kobe get pissed at Melo after a turnover and Bosh basically lose the game with a stupid three then a weak attempt at a defensive rebound. Mr. Irrelevant.
- How about this: How many more years will the Sixers go without a representative in the big boys game on All Star weekend?
Enjoy your holiday folks, I'm working a huge post for tomorrow morning I think you'll like.
I DVR'd the 2nd half of the allstar game. After watching the 1st half highlights, I deleted it. Can't watch rookie/soph or allstar game when no defense whatsoever is played. I guess the intensity increased in the 4th qtr?
Collins getting some COY love. From none other than Doc Rivers.
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/basketball/bulls/3928228-419/celts-rivers-laudsthibodeau-collins.html
Q of the Day:
Sixers Mount Rushmore (top 4) at G/F/C, 6th man and coach?
G: AI/Greer/Cheeks/?
F: Dr.J/Barkley/Schayes/Billy C.
C: Moses/Wilt/Mutumbo/Ratliff
6th: B.Jones/Anderson/Caldwell Jones/McKie
Coach: Billy C/Hannum/LB/?
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All Memorable Mention (for interest or brief greatness):
PG: Barros
SG: Toney/Mad Max
SF: McGinnis
PF: Mahorn
C: Bol/D.Dawkins
g] A.I., Greer, Toney, Cheeks
f] Barkley, Doc, Billy C., G. McGinnis
c] Wilt, Moses, Theo, Gminski
6th man] Billy C., B.Jones,R.Anderson, A.Mckie
coach] Hannum, Billy C., L.Brown, D.Collins
Heh, this blog has felt like the Melo-at-the-trade-deadline-update as of late. Anyway, my answer to the questions are:
-No, just don't see anyone willing to take our dead weight sitting at the end of the bench.
-Never watched a full two minutes of it. Flipped by it twice in a non-interested way like it was Lifetime or something. Haven't really watched it in quite a few years.
-Right now, I'd have to say it's going to be quite a while. Maybe in 4-5 years Jrue can make it as a reserve as Rose and Rondo will probably garner the public vote. But he appears to be our only shot in the near future.
No moves at the deadline.
Didn't watch the game, recharging batteries for 2nd half like, hopefully, our players are.
E.Turner, in 2 to 3 years, after Allen retires and perhaps Wade is injured and misses game.
Somebody please explain to me Minn. reasons for accepting Curry's contract and Randolph for Brewer.
Sixers gearing up for season's final seven weeks:
http://ow.ly/40nRY
Denver is crazy. They should forget about Felton and make NY take Harrington instead of Billups. The easiest way to improve their team would be getting rid of the guy who plays a lot of minutes for them and is awful.
The problem i guess is that NY will never take Harrington because he prevents them to sign another max guy which seems to be their goal.
I believe that if it's February 24th at 3 PM (or whatever) and the knicks and nuggets haven't consummated their deal then Carmelo Anthony will become a New Jersey Net
Because, in the end, the extension is more important to him.
Honestly i hope the Nets get him. No Favors and first rounders bodes very well for the Sixers. The Knicks are screwed with or without Melo IMO.
http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/news/story?id=6144608&campaign=rss&source=twitter&ex_cid=Twitter_espn_6144608
I'd give up 2 firsts for Gallinari in a heart beat.
That would be so hilarious. The Nets are trying to make the Knicks look like idiots :).
The knicks dont need help looking like idiots
The nets hired billy king
One of the nice things about being in the atlantic that there are 2, possibly 3, of the organizations run worse than the sixers in the same division
PRobably recycled news - but sf gate reports warriors have called about Iguodala at some point here
I wonder if the sixers hung up or actually inquired about curry?
Are we retarded if we don't trade two #1's for Gallinari & Mozgov, if that's what Denver is planning to do with them? I think I'd throw in Thad too.
My guess is the Nets will absorb Harrington as well because 2 picks for Gallinari and Mozgov is indeed a huge steal. But the reports also say that it may be Chandler or Felton packaged with Mozgov. In that case it's a good deal for the Nuggets.
The sixers can not make the same move - they don't have any room under the salary cap
additionally - they don't possess numerous #1's like the nets have
I'm pretty sure the Nets don't have cap space. Would this be Murphy's expiring + picks for Gallo and Felton?
No name going to the Nuggest had been mentioned in any of the deals so I just figured they had the cap room.
There are reports of a team absorbing Murphy's expiring deal at the deadline (the cavs maybe?) and then buying him out - maybe that's attached
I believe this all stems from the reports that the nuggets want to get under the luxury tax when doing this trade...if Murphy is traded to someone (with the TPE) New Jersey can then absorb the two former Knick contracts.
I'm curios to see what the Nuggets are going to do elsewhere, I wonder if the deal (knicks vs nets) affects what they do with the rest of the roster.
The Nuggets are going to be looking to flip Felton as well wouldn't they?
Why would the Nets be willing to give up so much for Carmelo? How is he worth favors and 4 picks? (What four picks?)
I'll prob get flamed for saying this, but i think at this point the nets are just trying to drive up the price for the Knicks.
You could get flamed for it - or maybe you just read numerous articles that quote the Nets russian owner saying exactly the same thing?
Carmelo isn't worth what either team is paying.
idk why any1 reads articles when there is twitter.
Has Prokhorov said he's just raising stakes? Give billy king/ nets some props imo.
Twitter is a waste of bandwidth and when it collapses under the weight of its own hubris it'll be a great day for intelligent people everywhere.
Search Pokhorov CNBC interview - he made have worded it differently but yes - the Nets are just trying to make the Knicks pay more, however they might end up with Carmelo cause in the end I think that 3 year extension is more important to him than playing for the Knicks, if the Knicks don't make the deal the Nuggets agree to I think Carmelo will agree to go to the Nets very close to the deadline and claim to be happy in new jersey - but he'll be desultory the whole time and realize maybe it's not all about the money (and LaLa will kick his ass to the curb for making her live in New Jersey for even 5 minutes - that part is mostly joke)
"Twitter is a waste of bandwidth and when it collapses under the weight of its own hubris it'll be a great day for intelligent people everywhere."
Twitter is a great tool for sports fans everywhere imo. lot of great information is tweeted these days. Updates about player injuries can be found on twitter before anywehre else for exmaple. I value twitter+Blogs+Podcasts over columns and articles about the NBA, columns/articles imo have the least amount of knowledge for the time that i have to put in.
Most what is twitted shows up less than 24 hours later in most news articles. Injury updates I care about I get on my yahoo fantasy update.
What you're talking about is a small amount of twitter accounts, who cares what you just ate, or what carmelo anthony just ate, and let's not forget twitter leading to asinine 'instantaneous' comments from 'famous people' that then have to be retracted or just vanish from the twitverse
I did have an account at one time and really it's just a huge time waster - it's like playing farmville
"who cares what you just ate, or what carmelo anthony just ate, "
I don't think you understand how twitter works. Lot of great information tweeted.
I understand how twitter works, probably better than you think I do, I have had to use it for a variety of things, and look at it for a variety of things.
The best thing Twitter did was partner with google voice to allow Egyptians to get some news out when the egyptian government killed the internet
if twitter gives even the slightest of contributions to the general good of humanity then it is in the 99th percentile of invaluable earthly assets, in the grand scheme of things.
At this point, I'm sick of hearing about Carmelo Anthony.
I just think it's ridiculous how this one deal is holding up the whole thing...put a little 'draino' down the pipes and clear it up.
I mean you wanna talk about Trevor Bayne?:)
27-29, 26 games to play.
Final Record predictions?
40-42, 7 seed, first round loss to whomever ends up the #2 seed, I think that's all kind of still up in the air.
Am at Sixers' practice (started at 6 p.m.). Told everyone is here (curtain still closed).
Is it normal for the curain to be closed?
Collins taking a page out of Phil Jackson's book- Naked practice. Makes the players more comfortable with each other on the court.
Just as long as those guys from MLB who like to pee on folks in the shower aren't around
Comment on HoopsHype forums
Adrian Wojnarowski: On prowl for scoring punch, Hornets inquired w/ Bucks on Corey Maggette, sources tell Y! Conversation didn't advance. Demps is very active. Twitter
Hey Demps - Lou can score - and he don't cost that much money
lol, he tweeted that :P.
Yes, I'm aware of that - and I bet you he writes it in his article tomorrow.
This would be a nice trade: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4gv2u3e
I would do it in a heartbeat.
Video: Brand on the Sixers eyeing strong finish in final 26 games:
http://ow.ly/40MYs
Video: Collins on the Sixers feeling good about themselves after break:
http://ow.ly/40Nvo
ESPN reporting that the deal is done
Carmelo, Chauncey, Shelden Williams, Anthony Carter (who has to renounce bird rights, I know it's a small thing but still), Renaldo Balkman to the Knicks
Nuggets get gallinari, chandler, mozgov, felton, 1 1st round pick - two 2nd rd picks, $3 million dollars.
Now - Denver likes Lawson right? and is flipping gallinari and mozgov reportedly and chandler is a restricted free agent.
How is this deal good?