I think there's basically zero chance Washington passes on Wall with the #1 pick, but I do see a scenario where Wall could fall to the Sixers. Explanation after the jump.
Think back to last year's draft. The Washington Wizards were shopping the #5 pick, foolishly looking to augment a broken core group of Arenas, Butler and Jamison. Enter David Kahn, who basically raped the Wiz by sending Mike Miller and Randy Foye to push them over the top, while taking back expiring contracts and the unwanted #5 pick. Stupid, stupid trade by the Wizards. Kahn took Rubio with the #5 pick, then completely screwed himself by taking Jonny Flynn at #6 and essentially convincing Rubio that he really didn't want to play the NBA right away after all.
Fast forward to the present day. Kahn is furious he dropped from #2 to #4 in the draft. He has no interest in DeMarcus Cousins. He's desperately trying to get up to #2 to take Evan Turner. The odds of Philly working a deal with the Timberwolves are slim (hopefully, they're zero, but you never know). But that doesn't mean Kahn can't get his man.
Here's the trade:
Minnesota gives:
- Al Jefferson
- Ryan Gomes
- The rights to Ricky Rubio
- The #4 pick in the 2010 draft
Washington gives:
- The #1 pick in the 2010 draft
- Gilbert Arenas
It would absolutely take a king's ransom to wrest the #1 pick from the Wizards, and this package would certainly qualify. The Wiz would get out from under Arenas' contract (and his lunacy). They'd get a big in Jefferson who some people consider very good (I am not one of those people). They'd get their PG of the future in Rubio, and they'd still have the #4 pick to fill another hole on their roster, which currently resembles Swiss cheese. Gomes is filler to make the deal work under the cap. Washington would also pick up some cap space in this deal.
Kahn gets his man, Evan Turner, at number one. He's got two more first-rounders to package for a possible move up to draft a defensive center to play alongside Kevin Love. Of course, this would mean admitting the Rubio pick was a complete waste and putting all of his eggs in the Jonny Flynn basket. At this point, I'd say that's pretty much a certainty anyway. Rubio won't be playing in Minny any time soon, if at all.
There you have it, one scenario where the Sixers could wind up with John Wall at #2.
In a situation where you have two guys who excel mainly when they play on the ball (wall and holiday), which one do you relegate to playing more off the ball? jrue obviously did not exceed at this at the college level, but wall is a pure point guard after all. this scenario is definitely unlikely, but really interesting to think about.
The Timberwolves would never make this trade...
And if they do who's to say they will actually pick Turner. For all i know the T-wolves are hot for Turner only because the have zero chance of landing Wall. Without Rubio they don't have a true PG either (i don't trust Flynn at all).
If Minn. makes this deal, I agree, they take Wall and than at #16 the best s.g. that fits Rambis!s triangle. But Wall/Holliday works as much to me as Turner/Holliday because Wall and Turner both ,as of now, need the ball to be effective.
I want to rephrase my last statement; they are both more effective with the ball in their hands. Guys, if Jrue slid over to s.g. is there a s.g. he reminds you of?
Joe Dumars and Kirk Hinrich, who, by the way, were in the very similar situations.
Those are two pretty good names. With Jrue's first year, I feel his playmaking ability supersedes Hinrich's. Hinrich could easily handle a team and get them into their sets, but Jrue's ability to create off the dribble is much better. That's why I think it would be more of a waste to have Jrue slide over than Hinrich, because you'd be wasting a guy with better PG skills.
Would you trade Thad+EB+#2 to Minny, for #4,#23, Rubio and Jefferson?
I might be in minority, but i would without a doubt. Rubio> Jrue, and Jrue has trade value, plus we can hold on to the rights of rubio for another year and see what Jrue does in his 2nd season, both have good trade value i'd guess.
Absolutely YES!!!
Rubio is going to be amazing. However the Sixers management have proven to be reluctant at best to taking International players, so i can't see it happening.
The starting lineup could be:
Rubio
Holiday
Igoudala
Jefferson
Favors/Cousins
It might require sending either Rubio or Holiday for a star SG, but is a minor worry compared to our current team.
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=16432
There hasn't been a lot of talk on this site about Hassan Whiteside, but if we got another pick, I would love to pick him up. I know there were some character concerns about him, but it seems like he has a good attitude.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uDWw3jwFec
Evan Turner and Marreese Speights for Blake Griffin
PHI:
PG: Holliday
SG: Henry
SF: Igoudala
PF: Griffin
C: Dalembert
LAC:
PG: Baron Davis
SG: Eric Gordon
SF: Evan Turner
PF: Chris Kaman
C: DeAndre Jordan
No way... I don't like Griffin. I think he will struggle with injuries in his career.
Would any1 do #2 for #4 and Rubio?
faster then you could say that lou williams is a fukn scrub
Rubio is worth a top 3 pick alone. The #4 would only be a bonus :)
Is he to the Sixers though? Let it be known that I love Rubio and think he's a great talent, but we already have a PG for the future. Plus, I know what Jrue looks like as a player in the NBA and that includes his defense. There's something to be said for not knowing what Ricky (I love the first names on the back of jerseys) will do against NBA players. I think he will be pretty damn good, but then we have two good PG's and we sell one of the for 75 cents on the dollar. I don't know, I think I'd rather scoop up Turner now.
Here's the other thing too: If Rubio won't play with Jonny Flynn, do you think he will play with Jrue?
I think he would as Jrue can play off the ball where Flynn (note he might not excel, but if he isn't working out off the ball i'm sure plenty of teams would be willing to trade for Jrue come deadline time or before next years draft) is useless and has to be a PG in the league.
That being said, Rubio would be a nice coup if we can package him and let's say Cousins for the #2 pick. We would definitely need to think about that one. Imagine if him and Jrue played together. They would be like a great RB duo in football with a power back (Jrue) and then the speed/pass-catching guy (Rubio). They both have pretty good size, so that might be worth the gamble to try and see if they can coexist for 10 minutes a game.
Jrue + Speights/Thad + #2 for #1 + Crap?
Would have to think John Wall is going to be a Tier 1 superstar if you offer that.