series will focus on the least-appreciated member of the Sixers, Andre Iguodala. From the coverage he's gotten in the press you'd think he's an average player. After the jump, the numbers will tell you a much different story. Click here for the
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First, the stats. Again, using per game numbers, Andre averaged 39.5 minutes/game, so you can do the math if you're into per minute or per 36 stats. All stats are from
basketball-reference.com.
2007-2008Minutes/game: 39.5
Points/game: 19.9
Rebounds/game: 5.4
Assists/game: 4.8
Steals/game: 2.1
Blocks/game: 0.6
Turnovers/game: 2.6
FG %: 45.6
3pt %: 32.9
FT %: 72.1
A few things jump out at me from those numbers, especially when you compare them to his numbers from the season before. First, he shouldered a bigger portion of the load (15.6 fg/g vs. 13.0), and he improved his shooting percentage (45.6% vs. 44.7%). Second, he took almost twice as many threes, and hit for a higher percentage (32.9% vs. 31%). And finally, even though he was the focal point of the offense, he reduced his turnovers by 0.8 per game (2.6 vs. 3.4). All very, very good signs that Iguodala will continue to progress.
Now, some perspective for the season Iguodala just turned in. The first comp will be of
any player who averaged 19 points, 5 boards, 4.5 assists and 2.0 steals while playing more than 75 games in the past 20 years.
- Michael Jordan - 7 times
- Clyde Drexler - 3 times
- Kobe Byrant - 1 time
- Chris Mullin - 1 time
- LeBron James - 1 time
- Scottie Pippen - 1 time
- Jeff Hornacek - 1 time
- Alvin Robertson - 1 time
- Andre Iguodala - 1 time
Pretty impressive company. But let's take it a step further.
How many players have averaged 18 points, 5 boards, 4.5 assists and 2 steals while playing in over 75 games two years in a row?
- Michael Jordan - Did it for 7 consecutive seasons
- Clyde Drexler - Did it for 3 consecuvite seasons
- Fat Lever - Did it for 4 consecutive seasons
- Scottie Pippen - Did it for 2 consecutive seasons (only played 72 games in the second year, though)
- Andre Iguodala - Did it for 2 consecutive seasons, and counting.
Of the players listed above, only Michael Jordan accomplished this at the same age as Iguodala.
Personally, I think these stats give you a pretty good view of a player, but there are plenty of people who would rather use the newer stats, so let's use them for another comp. Let's see how many players have
accumulated more win shares in their first four seasons in the league than Iguodala (he had 31.5). The answer is 29 players accumulated more win shares in their first four years in the league. Take a look at the list, he's in good company.
The biggest complaint/question about Iguodala has been his outside shooting. With the impending move to shooting guard, his three-point shooting has been called into question. With this in mind, I wanted to take a look at how some of the other players on this list shot the three, and how their percentages from downtown progressed after their fourth season in the league.
- Michael Jordan - Shot 13.2% from three in his fourth season in the league. He improved to 37.6% in his 6th season, career high was 42.6% in his 11th.
- Clyde Drexler - Shot 23.4% in his fourth season. Never improved further than 33.7%.
- Michael Redd - Shot 35% in his fourth season. Improved to 39% in his 6th, a career high (as a starter)
- Kobe Bryant - Shot 32% in his fourth season. Improved to 38% in his 7th, shooting 34% for his career.
- LeBron James - Shot 31.9% in his fourth season. 31.5% in his fifth.
Sticking with the 3-point shot, let's take a look at
all the guys who shot comparably from three in their 4th season in the league. The following is a list of all the players who shot between 30% and 34% from three with over 200 attempts in their 4th year in the league. In parens after the name is the 3pt% in 4th season/career 3pt % of the player.
- Stephen Jackson (34.0% / 34.1%)
- Austin Croshere (33.8% / 34.0%)
- Jason Richardson (33.8% / 36.3%)
- Ron Artest (33.6% / 32.9%)
- Todd Day (33.1% / 34.5%)
- Kenny Anderson (33% / 34.6%)
- Tim Hardaway (33% / 35.5%)
- Steve Smith (32.9% / 35.8%)
- Andre Iguodala (32.9% / 33.1%)
- Jamal Mashburn (32.5% / 34.5%)
- Antawn Jamison (32.4% / 34.7%)
- Latrell Sprewell (32.3% / 33.7%)
- Steve Blake (32.2% / 38.1%)
- John Starks (32.1% / 34%)
- Anfernee Hardaway (31.8% / 31.6%)
- Jamal Crawford (31.7% / 34.5%)
- Jason Kidd (31.3% / 33.7%)
- Donyell Marshall (31.3% / 34.8%)
- James Posey (30.6% / 35.1%)
This number probably doesn't mean that much statistically, but I'll throw it out there anyway. The average improvement for the players on this list is 1.87%. If you figure an average improvent for Iguodala, that would be 34.7% career number from three. Obviously not something you can bank on, but I think it is safe to assume that he'll raise his three-point percentage. The range among these players is -0.2% to 5.9%. More importantly, how many guys from this list would you consider above average to good shooters? I'd say Stephen Jackson, Jason Richardson, James Posey, Tim Hardaway, Steve Smith, Steve Blake, Donyell Marshall. My point being, every one of those shooters was Iguodala's statistical equal at the same point in their careers and they developed into something more. Given Andre's work ethic, I think he's in store for the same type of improvement.
Looking AheadIt goes without saying that Iguodala's role will change this season. Gone are the days where he's asked, or expected, to carry this team offensively. That doesn't necessarily mean his FGA will be down, or his points, but it does mean that he won't be relied upon to carry the team on a nightly basis. More importantly, it means he won't be the focus of the opposing team's defense any longer, he won't have to work as hard for his shots. The changes don't end there. Not only will the teams not be focused on Andre, they'll be intent on stopping Elton Brand in the post. This means that at times Iguodala will go from having two guys on him to zero. I'm expecting Iguodala's efficiency ratings to go through the roof. He'll be back to playing a role that's more comfortable to him.
Which leads directly into why I think the move to shooting guard will be a huge bonus for Andre, and for the team. As the third option on the team for his first 2.5 seasons, Iguodala was able to facilitate offense from the wing, and pick and choose his spots. OK, he cleaned up the scraps for his shots. This year, he'll get back to handling the ball on the outside and feeding the post. He'll be able to move without the ball on the outside, and slash through the lane for easy opportunities under the hoop. He'll get wide open jumpers, and he'll have a big who can handle the tough pass down low and convert it into points. The fact that he drastically cut down his turnovers last year with Sammy and Reggie Evans down low "catching" his passes is nothing short of a miracle. Iguodala is a gifted passer and he'll be able to showcase those skills at the shooting guard.
One last thing, how many two guards in the league will be able to handle Iguodala's size? Two or three? If all else fails, Andre can and will take guys like Ray Allen down on the blocks and abuse them.
Taking all of this into account, here is my early prediction for Andre's stat line for 2008-09:
Minutes/game: 39
Points/game: 22.0
Rebounds/game: 5.0
Assists/game: 5.8
Steals/game: 2.5
Blocks/game: 0.7
Turnovers/game: 2.8
FG %: 48.5
3pt %: 34.5
FT %: 78
Thoughts in the comments, as usual.
Very nice Brian.
Those are pretty nice numbers for someone who is just "average" and "extremely overpaid".
The one thing I've been banking on all summer is the fact that he's such a hard worker.
Look what hard work can do. MJ went from 13% to 37% from downtown in two years. If he can do that, I think Iguodala's good for a couple percentage points.
The fact that he shot so many more 3s last year and still improved his % is heartening.
I hope Iggy won't have to play that many minutes this coming season, I feel that most importantly his turnovers go down while all his shooting percentages should go up.
If he could somehow go back to shooting about 80% from the line and about 48% from the field, we have a winner.
I think it's obvious to all of us who've followed the team the past few years that Iggy is more than an average player.
We know what we're gonna get from him and Miller and probably Brand over the season. The X-Factor will really be Thad.
Thad and Lou, probably. The positive is that they really don't need to get much out of Thad, but I'll get to that when I do his Looking Ahead piece. He's up next.
You spelt my name wrong and you mentioned Fat Lever in the same comparison as me. Really Brian? Really?
Fixed the mis-spelling, good eyes. Fat had 4 awesome years in the middle of his career. Sorry, Scottie.
Excellent points, especially the 3pt %. I'm surprised how bad some of those players shot, not only for their 4th season, but for their careers as well. Most of them are known as great shooters from the outside! I dont know why Iggy gets such a bad rep for his outside shooting. What he did last year was as good or better than most of those players.
I'm also excited about his size difference over the average SG. He should be a nightmare for most of them. He's taller than Ray Allen, Raja Bel, Ben Gordan, C Mobley, Dwyane Wade... just to name a few.
Absolutely. I think he's probably taller than most 2 guards, stronger than just about all of them.
Brian, I love the optomism but 22 pts a game for Iggy? The problem will be if he tries to justify that contract with more scoring. For the better of the team it would help if he averaged 17-18 pts a game with the efficient future superstar Thad young getting more looks. If he leads the league in assists for sg's then our win totals will be maximized.
I think he bumps his scoring up on fewer shots. More efficient. The guys who will lose points are Andre Miller and Willie Green (hopefully). 22 may be too high, but it's not out of the question. I don't think he'll have to press to get there, offense should be much easier for him.
Definitely appreciate the insight Brian it is intriguing that he stacks up pretty well.
I’m not sure if these are the same commenters but everyone seems a lot more satisfied with Iguodala now that we have no choice.
It seems the Philly sports scene is not too bad these days
Definitely appreciate the insight Brian it is intriguing that he stacks up pretty well.
I’m not sure if these are the same commenters but everyone seems a lot more satisfied with Iguodala now that we have no choice.
It seems the Philly sports scene is not too bad these days