NBA Draft Preview: Trade Up...But For Whom?
Yet again, a post has spawned from an excellent comment by Joe on a previous post.
If you missed the conversation, Joe provided a link to a podcast on DraftExpress in which the possibility of the Sixers trading up to the #5 spot was mentioned. The Memphis Grizzlies hold the #5 pick, and this could be a match made in heaven when you look at the bigger picture. The Grizzlies are still looking to dump salary, they like Rodney Carney, or at least have been rumored to in the past, and the Sixers are basically the only team who can provide them some cap relief. The trade Joe proposed was the #5 pick, Mike Miller and Brian Cardinal (roughly $15M in 2008-2009 cap dollars) for the #16 pick, Rodney Carney, Jason Smith and cap space (The Sixers will have between $10M-$12M, depending). Cardinal is garbage, it wouldn't shock me if he was bought out immediately if the Sixers did trade for him. Both Miller's and Cardinal's deals expire after the '09-'10 season, meaning the Sixers would clear $16.5M in cap space that Summer. Andre Miller's deal will clear $10M after next season. Needless to say, this rumor got me thinking. My original thought was Kevin Love at the #5 spot, then I started looking at some draft boards, especially at the rankings for power forwards. Pretty much unanimously, people have Beasley as the #1 PF, projected to go in the top 2. Then they have Anthony Randolph, from LSU, as the #2 power forward, project to go in the top 10. Then Love, projected to go late in the lottery. The typical response to Love we've all seen is that he's fat and he's not very athletic. Armed with this information, I decided to see exactly how athletic Randolph is, in comparison to Love. Luckily DraftExpress has the handy chart of the NBA Pre Draft Measurements, so all the data was in one place. I was more than a little shocked to find out that even though Love's body fat is nearly 3 times as much as Randolph's, the unathletic white guy beat Randolph in every single athletic measure on the chart. Love was not only stronger (19 reps @ 185lbs to 7 reps), but he was faster in the 3/4 court, and his agility time was nearly a full second faster than Randolph's. Love even beat Randolph in vertical leap. Randolph is 3/4 of an inch taller, he has a freakish 7'3" wingspan, a higher standing reach and only 4.7% body fat, but all of those numbers make it even more unbelievable that Love is faster, quicker and can jump higher. Based on these numbers, I don't think it's Love's athleticism that should be concerning execs in the league. Of course, none of us really know what these numbers equate to. I went back through some previous years' charts to see how Love's numbers stacked up and found some pretty unbelievable comparisons. Here are a few examples:
So, in summation. If this hypothetical trade did take place, and the Sixers found themselves picking at #5, I'd probably take Love, especially if the deal brings Mike Miller in return and the SG spot is sewn up for the next two years. Who would you guys take? 9 Comments | Leave a commentLeave a commentLatest Posts• The Rockettes Come To Town • Iguoadala As Playmaker • Welcome To The Network • Stefanski Does the Legwork • I Hate Texas • Can They Salvage the Trip? • Dirk Is Still A Bright, Shining Star • The Trip Continues In Dallas • The Celtics Deserve Stephon Marbury • Ending On A High Note • Closing Out 2008 • Four Factors, New WorksheetSearchBlogs in The NetworkSixers BlogsPassion and Pride Sixers 4 Guidos Liberty Ballers Recliner GM | ||||||||||||||||
UP early this morning, are we? (Or going to sleep late, I suppose.)
I would be thrilled to have that trade. But Memphis can get more than that for Mike Miller and the 5 pick. There will be a good player available at that spot, whether it's Lopez, Mayo, Bayliss, or maybe Love. Lotta value there. We'd be lucky to pull off that trade without the picks. All of which is to say I hope you're right, but I doubt it. Memphis is already a laughing stock for the Gasol trade.
As for Love, I have no concerns about him at all. The NBA has this fetish with raw athletes. But the league is full of guys with great measurables who can't shoot. Or don't know how to rotate on defense. Or don't want to. Or can't handle the ball. If you can get a guy who is both highly skilled and athletic, great. But if you have to choose between the two, choose skill. And Love is a very smart, very skilled player. He positions himself well, has great hands, and oh man, those outlet passes - think that might help the Sixers' fast break game?
Honestly, I hope people stay stuck on him not being athletic. (As you point out, I don't think that's accurate either.) If he starts slipping, we might be able to trade up just a few spots and grab him.
Then all we have to do is trade for Sheed (the prodigal son returns!) to give Love a year to develop.
Yep, going to sleep late.
That package may just be enough to get the deal done with Memphis. Their main concern is getting out from under their expensive contracts, Miller and Cardinal. They're probably going to have to package the pick in any deal that gets both of those guys off their books.
I read a lot of things about Love slimming down this summer and teams are liking his look.
I hope you're right. I would love our team with those two guys on it.
Westbrook is another kid to keep an eye on. I have no idea why, but he seems to be slipping a bit. He won't fall to 16 but if he gets to the back of the lotto he'd be worth going up for. Great defender and potential replacement for Dre Miller in a year.
Ok, there is no chance the Griz would ever think about that trade, IMO. If they still want to dump salary, then they want to focus on bringing in young players....so why would they trade #5? At that pick you get a really good young player who is cheap. Memphis trades that just to rid themselves of Miller and Cardinals' contracts? Miller is useful, they can get rid of him and add something, not lose something as valuable as the fifth pick. I'm all for made up trade scenariors, but this is just really far fetched, IMO.
Is it as far-fetched as Gasol for Kwame Brown's expiring deal and Javaris Crittendon when you already have 3 point guards on your roster?
They'd be getting rid of their two biggest, and worst, contracts, and they'd be adding about $12M in pure cap space. It's not as far-fetched as you make it out to be.
If they trade with just about any other team they have to take back equal value in contracts.
I'm not saying it's a lock, but crazier things have happened. The Sixers have an extra number one to throw into the deal as well.
I'd love for that trade to happen, and if it did and they couldnt move up to 2 to grab beasley, Id take Randolph. I think love is going to be a very good player in the league but Randolph has a chance to be a Chris Bosh type player. Plus he fits into our uptempo style and can really score because of a great touch around the basket and pretty good midrange game. Also a really good rebounder and a rediculous shot blocker.
Great post Brian. This trade would be real sweet. Our starting lineup would look like...
PG-Miller
SG-M.Miller
SF-Iggy(could be flip-flopped with Miller)
PF-Love
C-Dalembert
Bench-Lou, Thad, Reggie and hopefully not Willie Green.
This would probably make us contenders in for the next two years and then when Cardinal's contract was up we'd have more cap space. We'd also have a nice young player at each position to build on.
PG-Lou
SG-Iggy(Assuming Mike Miller's gone.
SF-Thad
PF-Love
C-Sammy(Would be kind of old by then, but close enough)
As for the fifth pick, I obviously would want Kevin Love. He fits the offense very nicely and would be a great compliment to Sammy D.
Awesome job pointing out his workout numbers. I had no idea he was so sneaky athletic. I'm not too sure of the likely hood of this trade, but if it happened I'd be ecstatic.
I think a deal between the Sixers and Memphis really makes sense. I added the Mike Miller thing, just to throw it out there. I don't think it makes too much sense though.
When I look at it from Memphis' perspective, I think they SHOULD just ride this out. Let the contracts expire in two years.