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Mar 17
2011
11:04 AM

by Rich
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Well, all I can say after last night's game is that I am irrationally excited about this team after a couple of bad losses.  Will they come back to Earth? Probably a little bit, but last night's performance showed me that the team is closer to their great play in February/March than their last two stinkers. Let's take a look at a key adjustment the Sixers made on the fly to change the tone of the game.

One big topic among Sixers fans that gives us hope for the future is the defensive promise shown by Jrue Holiday. Everybody can admit that he has great physical (and mental) attributes on that end, but there's been an elephant in the room this year: Other point guards routinely go off for big nights against Jrue. We're not just talking about great ones either; guys like D.J. Augustin and Darren Collison have had great success against Jrue and the Sixers.

The question is why? Well, part of the reason is that the guards behind Jrue who defend the point, most notably Lou Williams, play a few minutes a game against starting guards. That's not as big of a factor as you would think, but it plays a part. I have spent some time thinking about why this is happening. For a while, I wondered if it had to do with Doug Collins' scheme, but ultimately, I couldn't find a reason.

In the New York Times' "Off the Dribble" blog, Rob Mahoney talks about Jrue's defensive tools but also points out his fundamental weakness, which others on Depressed Fan have recently talked about. This specifically is the way Jrue handles screens in the pick and roll, probably the most vital skill to guarding NBA point guards. Here's a snippet of what Mahoney said:

Holiday has other defensive weaknesses, but the most glaring is his inability to fight through screens and pursue. He doesn't recover quickly, and unless he's defending an opponent who allows him to go under the screen altogether, the action tends to throw Holiday off rather easily.

I decided to look at it tonight, and Mahoney's points were shown clearly as the Sixers beat the Clippers. In the early going, Mo Williams scored seven points for the Clippers, and you won't be surprised to hear that they all involved poor pick and roll coverage. The replay shows that Jrue is at fault, but his bigs, notably Elton Brand, gave him little help. This time, I am going to use pictures to tell the story. I apologize for the hazy nature of my cell phone and the TV bar showing at the bottom, but they'll do the trick:


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Unfortunately for Jrue, Mo Williams' major asset is scoring the basketball, and he can shoot the three. Even though he's frankly not a good player, he is capable of getting hot shooting the ball and he's not a poor enough shooter where you can simply go under the pick. So on this pick Jrue goes over and does what I think is a good job. The problem? Look where Brand is standing. It's pretty easy to score off  the pick and roll when the guard goes over and you have a running start at the big. That's something you see Shaq doing, but Brand is more agile than that. Brand ended up retreating further and gave Williams the space for an easy eight-foot jumper, which he canned.


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This one is where EB and Jrue are, in my opinion, equally at fault. Jrue completely runs into the screen.  Whether he goes under or over it, he has to do so directly in order to help and get back to the man. The only time screen and roll defense should look like that is an automatic switch, and looking at where Brand is standing (again, unacceptable, whether it's him or Collins' instruction) plus common sense (Big and a small, early in the game) tells you that it's not an automatic switch.


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Looking for Jrue in the first picture reminds me of the Where's Waldo books that I read as a kid. Look hard behind Blake Griffin and you'll see him. In that spot, he gets stuck to the screen, which he can't do. With how far that screen is from the three-point line, he clearly has to go under, which he eventually does. The problem with getting stuck is that he can't shoot the gap and take a sharp angle to recover and cut off Williams.  The fourth picture shows that Williams has him on his hip, which means one thing: "Advantage, offense." He eventually draws the contact and makes a tough fall away shot.

At this point, Doug Collins must have told Brand to start playing more aggressively on the screen (Well, that or the players made the adjustment). It stopped this early spell of offense and staked the Sixers to an early lead and served as the strategy they used for most of the game.


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On the next pick and roll, Brand was on the three-point line, ready to show hard. Griffin forgets the pick and dives into the lane where he got the ball. As shown in the second screen, the Sixers knew that Blake wasn't a threat outside of two feet. As long as you met him before he could viciously dunk, then you did your job. He was not pulling up and shooting a soft six-footer. Hawes meets Griffin nicely.


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Here is the key for this specific game. The Clippers' wings did not really strike the Sixers' as long-range shooting threats, so Iguodala picked up DeAndre Jordan and left Ryan Gomes. As you see in the first picture, as Blake gets cleanly blocked by Brand from behind (See, he's agile enough to recover), Gomes is wide open on the three-point line. Whether Blake made the wrong play I'm not sure, but I do know that he didn't make the right one.  I also know that he did complain to the ref about a clean block and wasted plenty of time getting back on defense, and Iguodala threw down a hellacious slam on the other end in semi-transition. You can see that here:





They used that strategy to frustrate Blake into a 3-12 game with Spencer Hawes and Brand doing most of the defending. The Clippers only took 13 threes, but I'd be willing to say they had the option to get an open three often when they ran the pick and roll.

Now back to Jrue, obviously that game plan is not sustainable against better teams. The Sixers would even execute against that defense right now by putting Jodie Meeks in the cornr. Jrue obviously needs to improve at taking better angles to get around screens, which he will improve at being only 20 years of age. That's more of a mental thing, but I'd like him to start thinking that way ASAP, because that's the way he's going to have to play.

Jrue is undoubtedly going to need better pick and roll defense from his bigs though. If he got help and was trapped like he often is on the offensive end, many of these big games would disappear from opposing PG's. I was wondering why in the world Collins would let Brand play that type of lazy defense in the beginning and it actually is pretty obvious. With Brand down low, he has both of his big guys, both subpar shot-blockers, able to meet drivers early. If Brand were to show hard on a screen, the "roll" guy (Blake in this case) would be one-on-one with Spencer Hawes, which the Sixers don't want.

My guess is this strategy is by design. I think that Collins would rather have Jrue try to pick up the slack by playing one-on-two against the pick and rolls than have Hawes play one-on-one with Blake Griffin. If it's a better defensive big (I seem to remember having one of those) back there, maybe it's a different story. That's the burden of the 2010-11 Sixers, winning with flawed pieces. This is not meant as a total dump on Hawes either, who has played pretty well recently, including a (gulp) very solid defensive effort last night.




Great work, Rich. Happy St. Patty's day, everyone.

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This was awesome. Just isolating where Brand was when the pick was set is perfect. I think you're right in saying this is a systematic thing, and I think it comes down to preventing threes. W/out a perimeter threat, they can focus everything on stopping the roller. They need to stay more sound to stop the threes and the crazy rotations. It puts a ton of pressure on Jrue playing 1 on 2 out there. They really need an athletic big to hedge and retreat to his man. Horford would probably be ideal.

Love the screen capture of Griffin complaining about a non-call on a clean block.

Yep. Check out the video, he's just about to the foul line when Iguodala throws down that slam. Hilarious.

Just going by memory - my favorite moment of the night was when Thad 'pulled the chair' out on Griffin and made him fall over. However, of course, since Thad embarrassed the next great one, he was charged for a foul. Looked clean to me, just made blake look dumb

Yup, that was hilarious. Thad actually did a good job on Griffin in the limited time he was on him. He had that play, which was not a foul, and the also did a great job of boxing Griffin out on back-to-back plays.

Which I think is a good indicator of how far Griffin needs to go in refining his game. To me he's pure power and athleticism with no finesse. A big man like him should freaking dominate Thad but you need to improve your basketball ability and such to get there.

It just seems Griffin is dependent on his power, he put up some real rough shots, no finesse, no touch. To achieve the 'hype' levels - he needs to work on those things

Watched him play the wizards, so take this with a grain of salt. He had an awesome feel for the fadeaway jumper from the post. He also had great rhythm on the faceup, pumpfake, drive move. He is still awkward, though, in the half court offense and sometimes doesn't know when to give the ball up. He's got an average hook shot, which if was a really good shot, he could probably easily drop 30 a game.

Otherwise, his vision was extremely good on some of the passes he made that night

Huge grain of salts, wizards don't defend even as good as Elton Brand and Spencer Hawes...;)

And in many games where he's not faced the Wizards, he's done a ton well besides dunk. Really, he couldn't put up the numbers he has if that was all there was to his game. Saying that he's only a threat from 2 feet is just plain wrong. He looked very bad last night though.

Dwyer talks about Brand's defense in Behind The Box Score this morning.

thank you much for this great post. i appreciate your putting time and effort into explaining some of the nuances of the game.

I'm not saying they're going to win a playoff series, but defensively, can you remember a game where the Sixers came in saying, "We have to stop this guy," and they weren't able to figure out a way to stop him?

Durant?

Yeah, he was the only one I could think of.

To be fair no one can stop Durant without help in the officiating department. the only way to stop him is to play overly physical with him. Guys like Bruce Bowen of old and Artest from the past few years are the only ones i can think of at the moment that can play that kind of "dirty" defense.

Durant

did they gameplan against Dirk in the Dallas game enough to count him on this list?

I don't know if they gameplanned to stop him, but he didn't really kill them. Terry did most of the damage.

Great job Rich. You are really really good at these Xs and Os stuff. It's great for us "not as good", to be able to learn a lot from your posts.

On a side note which obtainable big man do you guys think would fit the team well in terms of pick and roll defense. I think pick and roll defense is one of the biggest weaknesses of the team and shot blocking is actually the lesser problem when looking at a potential future C for the Sixers. Of course ideally the guy would be good at both.

Also do you guys think Thad can become a decent pick and roll defender from the PF position?

Great job Rich...

To update the Meeks watch- last 10 games:

14.9 pts (leads team)
34:05 min
50.55%
46.77% 3p% (2.9 3pt/gm)
93.33% FT%(2.8)
3.8 reb
1.1 asst
0.9 TO
1.4 stl

By fare the best performing 22 year old on the roster over that 10 game stretch :)

(Thad, Hawes and Turner are also 22)

Has he missed any other FTs besides the one that cost them the Utah game?

No, he has hit for 68 of his last 72 FT's. And the other 3 misses were all in wins.

No SixersBeat tonight, guys. I'm taking the night off. Let's go Grizz, huh?

You lack the grit of a nocioni

Great job Rich, thanks for your work. Lets go Grizzlies and Happy St Patricks Day everyone

Was discussing Meeks at RealGM. Iv'e been focussed on J/T/I and J/M/T possibilities, but it was brought up that Jrue/Meeks/Iguodala with Turner subbing in at all 3 positions could be a long term answer at PG/SG/SF. This was the rotation suggested:

Holiday(36) / Turner(12)
Meeks(32) / Turner(16)
Iguodala(36) / Turner(6)
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I'm sure the getting rid of Lou part would be popular amongst many :) ... but do you see that 4 man rotation as the long term answer at PG/SG/SF? or is Meeks not worthy of 30 min/g long term?

One interesting fact is that Jodie/Jrue/Meeks are all close off the court- and that is a good thing for long term team chemistry.

Just as long as lou or nocioni aren't getting those 6 minutes left at SF

im guessing you meant turner/jrue/meeks. in an interview with dei lynam, jrue said that all three live in the same condo. i think jrue and meeks are next door neighbors, and turner lives down the hall. something like that . . .

You mean Jodie/Jrue/Evan are close off court, right?

I think that lineup is definitely an option long term and it's possible that the team can compete with the best with that lineup. However, my belief is that if the team doesn't plan on having Turner as a starter, or at least him being the second best backcourt player on the team they will be better of trading him in a package for a legit C. That's a much better use of his talent (or value) IMO.

Yeah, that is the issue. Meeks playing well just makes things more interesting.

Maybe all three guys play 36 minutes, with turner getting 12 minutes at each position.

The key to that rotation would be having some kind of a four who could stretch the floor for the 12 minutes when Jodie was on the bench.

Then all we need to do is trade Lou for Gortat and we'd be all set ;)

Thanks so much Rich for the insight. It's the kinda thing that kinda goes under the radar in the excitement of the game. great too highlighting the issue with Jrue's defense. If that part gets ironed out we all know he's gonna be very, very good defensively.

Great adjustments, good win. I guess the bad calls and Doug's ejection really fired the team up, they came out a different team after the half.

D-Rose with an 8-23 night (and another win). Clanked all 5 of his threes. Since the new year, Rose has shot 25.4% from three, while averaging nearly six attempts. Since the All-Star break, he's shot 39.0% from the field and is scoring 24 a game on 20 shots and 7 FTA. Dwight Howard, since the All-Star break, is averaging 24 and 16 on 63% shooting (13 shots), with 3.6 blocks. It isn't his fault that he plays with lousy defenders and aging scorers.

Are you trying to make an argument w/ me? I'm the one who said Howard is the MVP. I just said Rose deserves it more than LeBron, still think that, btw.

With you? No. I find it hard to see how Rose even deserves second place when Chicago's success is really all about their defense, not the fairly inefficient production that Rose is bringing to the table. Fact is, Rose isn't having that much better of a season than Monta Ellis:

http://bkref.com/tiny/TMlPn

Pretty even, aside from double the win shares for Rose in about 300 less minutes. Pretty much the only way they're even is in scoring efficiency.


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