. I'm not sure how many different ways I can say, "This guy should not be playing," but I'm sure we'll find out after the jump.
Let me begin by saying Willie Green seems like a genuinely nice guy. I mean, from all accounts, he's an outstanding human being. On a personal level, he's done nothing objectionable as far as I know. He seems to play hard, for the most part. I have nothing against Willie Green, the person. Willie Green the basketball player, well, I have a huge beef with that guy.
You know how even when Andre Iguodala has what seems like a quiet game, you can look at the box score afterward and be shocked by how he filled up the columns? Like, he didn't shoot particularly well and he didn't score a ton of points, but somehow he wound up with 8 boards, 7 assists and 3 steals? Well, Willie is the exact opposite. Even when he seems to have played a halfway decent game, you check out the stats and see a bunch of zeros across the board.
Let these numbers sink in for a second:
- 22 times last year Willie played more than 15 minutes without grabbing a single rebound.
- 4 times he played more than 25 minutes without grabbing a single rebound.
- 11 times he played more than 15 minutes without dishing out a single assist.
- 5 times he played more than 17 minutes without a single assist nor a single rebound.
- 45 times (out of 81 total games) he had three or fewer assists plus rebounds.
We're talking about a guy who played over 1,800 minutes. A guy who started for a majority of the season, contributing absolutely zilch in any area other than scoring. And as a scorer, he just wasn't efficient at all. 8.1 shots/game for 8.5 points. Sam Dalembert used his field goal attempts more efficiently than Willie Green.
This is nothing new for Willie. In fact, 2008-2009 was actually one of his better seasons. Nothing has really changed throughout his career, and odds are nothing will until he retires. He is who is. And who he is not a rotational player on a playoff team, plain and simple.
The good news is the Sixers have apparently come to their senses and plan to start Iguodala at the two, with Lou at the point. This immediately limits the potential minutes Willie could play. Personally, I think the fact that they let Andre Miller walk also points to the marginalization of Willie. The team wants to move toward youth, look to the future. Simply put, Willie is a 28 year-old, overpaid end-of-the-bench player. Giving him significant time will help the team in neither the short nor long term. If the goal is to make the playoffs and win as much as possible, the minutes would be better spent on Royal Ivey. If the goal is to develop the youth, they absolutely must go to Jrue Holiday. I often saw Willie as a crutch for Mo Cheeks and Tony DiLeo. A guy they were comfortable with, who could hit a couple of jumpers, and hey, the team was paying him all that money, may as well use him. I don't think it hurt that he was a good guy. That feeling of gratitude, or charity, or whatever it was should be gone with a new coach in town, and it's my sincere hope that Willie finds himself where he belongs, at the end of the bench.

One note about the stats: I say 8 minutes per game, but that's really just per games that he plays in. He should tally quite a few DNPCDs, if all is right in the world.
Let's kick the weekend off by ending this post on a positive note. For all that Willie either does poorly, or doesn't do at all, he is absolutely capable of getting extremely hot from the field. I mean, hot enough to carry the team for a quarter. It doesn't happen all that often, but you can use a guy like that for desperation stretches. I'm hoping that's the role he plays. Think of him as Donyell-light this season. When the offense is completely stagnant and you're down by double digits midway through the third quarter, call Willie's number and see if he can't catch fire and get you back in the game.
I agree with you 100% EXCEPT could he possibly be moved back a row and sit with the fans? That is where he belongs most of the nights! IF, he is still on the bench, I do hope when we are in a shooting funk, Willie is given a chance to play and shoot. Just, don't ever put him in when the game is on the line.
A case from some minutes for Green (half hearted attempt...)
I got the sense that Willie played a better last year. He seemed to play more within his limitations and dominate the ball less. Still lousy, but not in a way that hurts you as bad.
I had to hunt through stats to find evidence, and it shows in his usage%(18.9 down from career average 23.4) and TO% (8.4 down from 15% at his worst.) His FG% at .0435 was nearly his best. And his 2pt FG% of 0.422 was best on the team. Better than Miller(406), Lou (376), Thad (.367) and Iguodala (.348)
Basically, Green was the only guy who could hit a 2pt jumper. Also he started to play more within himself. If he continues this trend I see him as a decent bench player who can play within the offense and hit a jumper off a curl...; at least until they find a better option, which I don't see on the roster right now.
BTW, if I can sell Willie J. Green, I probably can sell anything.
You should become his agent! And I agree with your last statement. Do you have a bridge available up in NY?
Your stats are wrong or I read your post wrong.
Willie's 2 pt fg% was nowhere near best on the team. He was one of the worst.
I agree, though, that WIlli has improved over the years. He is still a terrible NBA player, though, and shouldn't play for anyone IMO.
Here are the numbers:
http://www.82games.com/0809/FGSORT7.HTM
"And his 2pt FG% of 0.422 was best on the team. "
2 pt fg% not equal to 2 pt jump shot fg%.
Anyone can pick a random little stat for any player in the NBA just about and say... Hey! This guy wasn't horrible this one year at this one thing.
Willie is a terrible player whether he is an average 2 pt jumper maker or a terrible one.
Willie has improved greatly, but he still is terrible.
except in this case the numbers from 82games are for 2pt jumpers. the numbers are what they are. He is still a lousy player, just a better 2 point jump shooter than the other guards on the team last year. Overall his percentage was average for a guard
The problem is how you worded your initial post... you said he shot the best 2 pt fg% and is why I responded.
I really don't give a shit if he shoots the 2 at an average rate for a guard or something. He still is a terrible player even if he is average at one aspect of basketball.
How the hell is he stll in the NBA. We should release him and he'll be doing just as much for us. Out of every team I root for Willie is my least favorite and least efficient player.
Today, Willie Green will go under the microscope for our Predicting 2010 series. I'm not sure how many different ways I can say, "This guy should not be playing,"
-this made me laugh out loud.
I can recall 3 specific times last season when Willie got hot in a game and my wife happened to be watching and say something like "I don't know why you hate him so much..." Ugh.