Contrary to what we saw on the floor last night, apparently some Sixers are upset that they got blown out to end their season. After the jump we'll take a look at some quotes and Coach DiLeo's post-game press conference.
DiLeo, after the game:
My only response is he better not take too much time off. They're going to need him to get back to what he does best, evaluate talent, for the draft.
I will however, come out now and officially say I don't want him back coaching next season. For me, a head coach has to perform a handful of tasks very well in order to get his team to play up to its level.
Motivate his team
Install a system on both ends of the floor
Draw up a game plan heading into games
Adjust that game plan at halftime according to what's happened on the floor
Manage the game (rotations/timeouts etc.)
Of the above, I'd give DiLeo a passing grade on point 3 and that's about it. He did an excellent job of managing his timeouts throughout the season, but that's kind of like window dressing. The most-telling thing about this series, to me, was how Orlando simply annihilated the Sixers in the third quarter of just about every game. SVG would go into the locker room, figure out what the Sixers were doing in the first half, and come out fully prepared to exploit it. DiLeo would go into the locker room, change nothing, and be completely surprised that Orlando had shifted focus. You can't have that, not at this level.
"The coaches are responsible for guys [being] prepared and playing,"
he said. "They have to hold guys accountable. It's been that way all
year, so you couldn't expect anything different."
Earlier in the story, Jasner paraphrased Ratliff's thoughts as follows:
He didn't like what he perceived as a lackadaisical approach during the
day, and how that filtered insidiously into a game in which the Sixers
never had a chance, never gave themselves a chance.
I touched on this in a post heading into game 6. I saw it with my own eyes. If you want to know how a team which shows such unbelievable heart in games like the win at the Lakers, or in game 1 of this series, but then comes out and gets embarrassed when it's all on the line, this is the simple answer. Winning basketball isn't just about what you do on the court for those 48 minutes, it's about tireless preparation and practice. It's about an attitutde. Especially as a young player, if you're fooling around during pregame instead of running through your reps, you won't be prepared come game time.
As far as I'm concerned, the responsibility for this lackadasical attitude falls on the shoulders of not only DiLeo and his assitants, but the leaders of the team as well. That's what makes these quotes from Andre Iguodala troublesome to me:
"We weren't always there."
"We had mental lapses."
"We had inner turmoil."
"We have a young team. At times, I think we have a tough time
understanding the importance of communication as a whole," Iguodala
said.
OK, so if the team as a whole has a problem communicating, it's your job, as the "leader" to communicate with those younger guys. It's your job to kill any inner turmoil. It's your job to get in someone's face when they have a mental lapse. It's your job to make damned sure everyone is "there." If you scour the internet, I doubt you'll find a bigger supporter of Andre Iguodala than me. I've written thousands of words on how I think he's under-appreciated as a player. I still stand by that. He's the best player the Sixers have, he's a top ten player in the league. As a leader, though. He has a long way to go.
Last night in the fourth quarter with the Sixers barely clinging to any semblance of hope, they turned the ball over. It was kicked ahead to Pietrus, Iggy was tracking him down the floor. If you wanted to send a message. If you wanted to fire your team up. Heck, if you just wanted to play tough, playoff basketball you would've fouled him to prevent the breakaway dunk. Instead, you went for a half-assed block, and he jammed it down your throat.
Throughout the game, he watched as Thad Young was abused on the blocks by Rashard Lewis. He stood on the opposite side of the floor checking Hedo Turkoglu or Pietrus. A leader doesn't stand there and lament the mismatch. A leader tells Young it's time to switch. Rashard tried to back down Iguodala twice in the game when the Sixers switched a screen. The first time, Iguodala stripped the ball and it ignited a fast break. The second time, Lewis didn't have the strength to push Iggy into the lane, so he wound up taking an 18-foot fadeaway instead of a five-footer. It was an airball. Coach DiLeo should've made that adjustment, but you know what, Iguodala could've taken it upon himself as well.
This Magic series was a far cry from the embarrassment of the Detroit series for Iguodala. I thought he played 4 very, very good games and he tried desperately to take over game 5 as well. He almost succeeded. As a player, I saw great signs. As a leader, not so much.
As I posted in the other thread, Iguodala when asked about DiLeo didn't exactly give ringing endorsements to the future of DiLeo as head coach. (that's how i read it)
I'm curios as to peoples reactions not to what he said but the fact that he said anything at all - publicly - i know how i feel about it but I'm itnerested to see where others fall
Well, I'm not sure I'm happy about what he said, but I suppose the fact he said something and didn't quietly slink away shows he's actually pissed about what happened. I take that as a good sign. Someone in that locker room better be pissed enough to do something about it this summer. Possibly a month with a shooting coach instead of sitting down and sharing your plans for the future with Stefanski would be a better use of time for Iguodala.
No reason he can't do both - I mean the stefanski meeting takes about an hour or so :) Then he heads to chicago and works with ATTACK or heads to Florida to work with the IMG fellas (I think that's the name)
Does the Pete Newell big man camp still exist? Are there any success stories since we know it didn't work well for Dalembert - and how do they focus on defense and rebounding - if those things occur - i'm thinking Speights should go as well.
EVERYONE on the sixers roster (except maybe miller cause I don't think he's going to get faster) has crap to work on this summer.
Oh, and you're off base in the Willie vs. Salmons debate. It's not that the Sixers should've signed Salmons instead of Willie, it's that they shouldn't have signed either. Salmons was a complete bust until last season and nothing about his game in his first four seasons said he was worth the full MLE deal he got from Sacto.
I'm going with the available information and my belief is that billy king felt he 'had' to sign one of them and chose willie green OVER Salmons - and they both were unremarkable to me but salmons has more versatility and size than green - so given the fact that it was one or the other (and neither didn't seem to be an option) i would have preferred salmons OVER green
Well, I would've preferred Paul Pierce or Dirk Nowitzki over Larry Hughes as well, but no use crying over it now. At the time, the right call was to sign neither. One over the other is a moot point, no one had a gun to BK's head saying you have to sign one of them, as far as I know. He was just a douche bag moron.
Except Billy King (adn Dileo) were in the right on that and over ruled by the rat - and that was a decision billy king didn't make
Hey - i don't begrudge the fact that King turned down dalembert for childress (much) - just the fact that on a national stage - in the playoffs - both teams underdogs - John Salmons is contributing SO MUCH MORE than Willie Green to his own teams possibilities, it's just depressing to see it thrust in the face...
Did you listen to Miller's post game interview? It was spot on- he sounded like a coach and it gave insight into how well he understands the game.
he essentially talked about how the Sixers denied outside shots for the first 5 games, and then went back to trying to protect the paint with double teams and help- daring Orlando to beat them the only way the could- with open jumpers.
Miller tried to backtrack when asked if this was a specific change made by DiLeo, but the point had already been made.
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As for Theo's comments- he really threw DiLeo under the bus. In some way it seems like he's blaming DiLeo for letting Sam be Sam (he told DiLeo that the players need to have consequences for lackadaisical play, but felt he was ignored.) But honestly- what can anyone do about Sam- just don't let him give you a kiss.
I found the caressing of Hedo's hair more chilling than the air kiss.
As for Sam, I think the complaints have more to do with off-court stuff, which obviously leads to on-court problems. Overall, the Sixers are screwed. They're a better team with him on the floor, they NEED him on the floor when Thad's playing the four because they're so small, so they have to put up with his juvenile crap, which absolutely kills a team. Cheeks dealt with it by feeding Sam the ball way too much to keep him happy. DiLeo never played that game, but the end result was pretty much the same. Can't live with him, can't live without him.
Its going to be painful to see what kind of crap comes back for Sam in a trade. Assuming they lose Sam and Theo this summer, they are left with no one to protect the cup.
I know he's a scrub, but it would have been great if they could have traded for a pick to get D'Andre Jordan last year. then at least they would have a big body on the bench. Now they have to replace to centers with very little cap space or assets.
My expectations for next year are low- I think they will have to take a step back. That's a real bummer given the Brand move, but it is what it is. I guess it would be better than trading away Thad for a vet.
so that would be wasted year 2 of Brands contract and Iguodala being another year older (and miller if he's still here)
Not saying I disagree - but it's disheartening.
The first and most important move is to quickly and decisively name the head coach for next year (not named Dileo in the name of all that is holy - in fact no one currently employed by the sixers please) - and make a plan wth said coach and stefanski on how to best utilize the current roster and what pieces could be moved for improvement.
Does anyone think that when the OKC/NOH trade fell apart for CHandler that Stef called and said 'Dalembert has basically the same contract, let's do this deal' - and then laughed and hung up on him?
Well, I think OKC wasn't happy with the deal for Chandler and got their doctor to get them out of it. Buyer's remorse, so they weren't going to turn around and make the same deal for a similar player.
Starting Speights next to Brand next year would be a way of taking a step back for the sake of the future. I think Speights would struggle guarding centers (Brand would help him), but its probably better long term to deal with the growing pains then go another year with Sam or some other stopgap vet.
But when Iguodala talks about being frustrated playing with mistake prone youth (reminds me of Paul Pierce a few years ago), I doubt starting next to a young PG, Young and Speights would help him loose the scowl.
Well - it all depends on what Speights does in the off season - I'm not ready to anoint him just yet as he's more soft defensively and possibly a worse rebounder than Sam - he's just MUCH MUCH better offensively. So it depends on speights putting in the work ( the thing that people fear about him) to improve his game - something sam has never done
Speights will be less of a rounding liability playing next to Brand. Both also can block a shot, but neither are really centers defensively. I think they can get by, but again, expect growing pains (sort of like what they have with Sam, but flipped offense/defense knuckle-headism- and with at least some hope for growth.)
I dunno. I feel the heebie-jeebies putting Marreese in as f/t center. For sure he'll get abused by the handful of "true" centers, not sure about the rest. Then again, he could operate like a slightly less defensively-challenged Stoudamire. Really depends, as you've all said, on what coach comes in and the style they want to install. I just see him dominating as a PF. This off-season and next are ultra critical for his long-term development.
Is there a way Thad could be involved in a draft swap so they could get Harden? Would the Bucks love to have Thad in exchange for Sessions? They gotta swap their way out of this, back into the light, in a way soft draft year.
Harden being the guy who did absolutely nothing in his two NCAA games and didn't even look to shoot the ball when he's the only good player on his team? How is that guy a lottery pick? He's like the Iguodala of a couple years ago to the nth degree.
Don't think he was comparing them as players. He was saying that Harden played in NCAAs like Iguodala used to play for the Sixers. Meaning, hesitant to shoot. Of course, Harden was supposed to be their best player, so it was a bit inexcusable.
Ok - so I am torturing myself by listening to jody mac spit into the microphone and 'box score analyze' the sixers.
During the sports update they had Iguodala on the mic and there was a portion of his quote I either missed in the paper or didn't make it - and it went something like this
Iguodala said something about 'getting rid of the things that are holding us back'
I gotta wonder what 'things' he feels are holding them back.
DiLeo's language (verbiage or body) is not that of someone who wants another round of that. He's going back upstairs. Book it. (ohpleaseohpleaseohplease)
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As I posted in the other thread, Iguodala when asked about DiLeo didn't exactly give ringing endorsements to the future of DiLeo as head coach. (that's how i read it)
That's how I read it as well.
I'm curios as to peoples reactions not to what he said but the fact that he said anything at all - publicly - i know how i feel about it but I'm itnerested to see where others fall
Well, I'm not sure I'm happy about what he said, but I suppose the fact he said something and didn't quietly slink away shows he's actually pissed about what happened. I take that as a good sign. Someone in that locker room better be pissed enough to do something about it this summer. Possibly a month with a shooting coach instead of sitting down and sharing your plans for the future with Stefanski would be a better use of time for Iguodala.
No reason he can't do both - I mean the stefanski meeting takes about an hour or so :) Then he heads to chicago and works with ATTACK or heads to Florida to work with the IMG fellas (I think that's the name)
Does the Pete Newell big man camp still exist? Are there any success stories since we know it didn't work well for Dalembert - and how do they focus on defense and rebounding - if those things occur - i'm thinking Speights should go as well.
EVERYONE on the sixers roster (except maybe miller cause I don't think he's going to get faster) has crap to work on this summer.
Oh, and you're off base in the Willie vs. Salmons debate. It's not that the Sixers should've signed Salmons instead of Willie, it's that they shouldn't have signed either. Salmons was a complete bust until last season and nothing about his game in his first four seasons said he was worth the full MLE deal he got from Sacto.
I'm going with the available information and my belief is that billy king felt he 'had' to sign one of them and chose willie green OVER Salmons - and they both were unremarkable to me but salmons has more versatility and size than green - so given the fact that it was one or the other (and neither didn't seem to be an option) i would have preferred salmons OVER green
Well, I would've preferred Paul Pierce or Dirk Nowitzki over Larry Hughes as well, but no use crying over it now. At the time, the right call was to sign neither. One over the other is a moot point, no one had a gun to BK's head saying you have to sign one of them, as far as I know. He was just a douche bag moron.
Except Billy King (adn Dileo) were in the right on that and over ruled by the rat - and that was a decision billy king didn't make
Hey - i don't begrudge the fact that King turned down dalembert for childress (much) - just the fact that on a national stage - in the playoffs - both teams underdogs - John Salmons is contributing SO MUCH MORE than Willie Green to his own teams possibilities, it's just depressing to see it thrust in the face...
Fair enough.
Did you listen to Miller's post game interview? It was spot on- he sounded like a coach and it gave insight into how well he understands the game.
he essentially talked about how the Sixers denied outside shots for the first 5 games, and then went back to trying to protect the paint with double teams and help- daring Orlando to beat them the only way the could- with open jumpers.
Miller tried to backtrack when asked if this was a specific change made by DiLeo, but the point had already been made.
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As for Theo's comments- he really threw DiLeo under the bus. In some way it seems like he's blaming DiLeo for letting Sam be Sam (he told DiLeo that the players need to have consequences for lackadaisical play, but felt he was ignored.) But honestly- what can anyone do about Sam- just don't let him give you a kiss.
I found the caressing of Hedo's hair more chilling than the air kiss.
As for Sam, I think the complaints have more to do with off-court stuff, which obviously leads to on-court problems. Overall, the Sixers are screwed. They're a better team with him on the floor, they NEED him on the floor when Thad's playing the four because they're so small, so they have to put up with his juvenile crap, which absolutely kills a team. Cheeks dealt with it by feeding Sam the ball way too much to keep him happy. DiLeo never played that game, but the end result was pretty much the same. Can't live with him, can't live without him.
Pass the beer nuts?
Its going to be painful to see what kind of crap comes back for Sam in a trade. Assuming they lose Sam and Theo this summer, they are left with no one to protect the cup.
I know he's a scrub, but it would have been great if they could have traded for a pick to get D'Andre Jordan last year. then at least they would have a big body on the bench. Now they have to replace to centers with very little cap space or assets.
My expectations for next year are low- I think they will have to take a step back. That's a real bummer given the Brand move, but it is what it is. I guess it would be better than trading away Thad for a vet.
pls ignore typo
so that would be wasted year 2 of Brands contract and Iguodala being another year older (and miller if he's still here)
Not saying I disagree - but it's disheartening.
The first and most important move is to quickly and decisively name the head coach for next year (not named Dileo in the name of all that is holy - in fact no one currently employed by the sixers please) - and make a plan wth said coach and stefanski on how to best utilize the current roster and what pieces could be moved for improvement.
Does anyone think that when the OKC/NOH trade fell apart for CHandler that Stef called and said 'Dalembert has basically the same contract, let's do this deal' - and then laughed and hung up on him?
Well, I think OKC wasn't happy with the deal for Chandler and got their doctor to get them out of it. Buyer's remorse, so they weren't going to turn around and make the same deal for a similar player.
I'm about 95% sure Sammy will be the starting center on opening day.
I wish there was a way speights could become a center :)
I think he could, playing alongside Brand. Who knows.
So - a good off season - a strong coach - and someone telling sammy to shut up or get fined
You're saying there's a CHANCE?:)
One in a million, right?
Starting Speights next to Brand next year would be a way of taking a step back for the sake of the future. I think Speights would struggle guarding centers (Brand would help him), but its probably better long term to deal with the growing pains then go another year with Sam or some other stopgap vet.
But when Iguodala talks about being frustrated playing with mistake prone youth (reminds me of Paul Pierce a few years ago), I doubt starting next to a young PG, Young and Speights would help him loose the scowl.
Well - it all depends on what Speights does in the off season - I'm not ready to anoint him just yet as he's more soft defensively and possibly a worse rebounder than Sam - he's just MUCH MUCH better offensively. So it depends on speights putting in the work ( the thing that people fear about him) to improve his game - something sam has never done
There's no possibly involved. He's a worse rebounder than Sam. Sam's a very good rebouder, on both ends.
Hence the work comment - he can get better - sam seems no interested in improvement after all these years
Speights will be less of a rounding liability playing next to Brand. Both also can block a shot, but neither are really centers defensively. I think they can get by, but again, expect growing pains (sort of like what they have with Sam, but flipped offense/defense knuckle-headism- and with at least some hope for growth.)
co-signed.
I dunno. I feel the heebie-jeebies putting Marreese in as f/t center. For sure he'll get abused by the handful of "true" centers, not sure about the rest. Then again, he could operate like a slightly less defensively-challenged Stoudamire. Really depends, as you've all said, on what coach comes in and the style they want to install. I just see him dominating as a PF. This off-season and next are ultra critical for his long-term development.
Is there a way Thad could be involved in a draft swap so they could get Harden? Would the Bucks love to have Thad in exchange for Sessions? They gotta swap their way out of this, back into the light, in a way soft draft year.
Harden being the guy who did absolutely nothing in his two NCAA games and didn't even look to shoot the ball when he's the only good player on his team? How is that guy a lottery pick? He's like the Iguodala of a couple years ago to the nth degree.
It's a weak draft
Iguodala was a ninth pick in a much better draft and the sixers got lucky cause the raptors were stupid
Comparing Iguodala to Hardin is disingenuous and just demonstrates an irrational hatred and lack of appreciation of ANdre Iguodala to me
Don't think he was comparing them as players. He was saying that Harden played in NCAAs like Iguodala used to play for the Sixers. Meaning, hesitant to shoot. Of course, Harden was supposed to be their best player, so it was a bit inexcusable.
Theo Ratliff - future coach to teach Speights how to defend - or bitter aging player complaining cause he didn't get enough minutes in game 6?
Seer... and a former 6er.
Ok - so I am torturing myself by listening to jody mac spit into the microphone and 'box score analyze' the sixers.
During the sports update they had Iguodala on the mic and there was a portion of his quote I either missed in the paper or didn't make it - and it went something like this
Iguodala said something about 'getting rid of the things that are holding us back'
I gotta wonder what 'things' he feels are holding them back.
Sam and maybe Lou? (and his lack of a jumper ;)
I jumped to Sam and Willie personally :)
Iguodala said somithing about young players. So it can't just be those 2. I'm hoping its not a problem with Thad, so I'm guessing Lou or Speights?
DiLeo's language (verbiage or body) is not that of someone who wants another round of that. He's going back upstairs. Book it. (ohpleaseohpleaseohplease)
Andre Miller was the guy saying all the right things after the defeat. And he was the one guy who looked like he wanted to win last night.