The Princeton Offense and YouThe Princeton offense, we've heard the term more times over the past weekend than ever before. It's dominated our thoughts. It'll be brought up in relation to every roster move, or non-move for the remainder of the Summer. Fairly or not, it will either be the savior or the bane of our existence when the 2009-2010 season unfolds. So let's take a few minutes to talk about it after the jump. The P.O. was made famous by Pete Carril, the legendary head coach at Princeton University. Personally, I think Carril was a genius. He took a look at what he had (smart players who could shoot), what everyone else had (teams with a huge athletic and talent advantage) and he figured out a way to compete. He devised a scheme, or to be more accurate, he took the best of other offensive styles, to come up with a game plan which could shift advantage from the more athletic, more talented team to the better conditioned, smarter team. The P.O. in its pure form accomplished several things.
Now, Carril developed and utilized the offense mainly for the first two purposes above. He rarely, if ever, had a demonstrable talent advantage. He needed a scheme, or a gimmick, if you're a non-believer to level the playing field for his team. Princeton could run this offense for 40 seconds knowing they could get a fairly high-percentage jumper at the 10-second point, or with only a couple seconds left on the shot clock. They'd grind down the entire shot clock, but the whole time they'd be probing, seeing if they could get their opponent to make a mistake, then they'd "settle" for an 80% layup instead of the 40-50% jumper they knew they could get at any time. Of course, the NBA uses a 24-second shot clock, so for the most part, the first two stengths of the P.O. don't have a ton of use in the pro game, or at least they don't if you have a talented offensive team, but more on that later. The P.O. has been used a couple of different ways in the NBA, and it's almost entirely based on the talent level of the team. Let's take Sacramento's best team ever, first. The 2001-2002 team which lost to the Lakers in brutal 7-game series in the conference finals (of course, they may not have lost had Tim Donaghy not been officiating, but that's neither here nor there). This team was first in the league in pace (95.6 possessions per game), and 3rd in the league in offensive efficiency (109 points per 100 possessions). In this case, the P.O. was used to get the first high-quality open look for one of the team's best offensive players. In Sacramento's case, they had five quality options on the floor with their starting unit, Chris Webber in the high post, Vlade Divac in the low post, Peja, Bibby and Christie on the perimeter. Not to mention, Hedo and Bobby Jackson coming off the bench. They'd spread the floor, feed a post, make a quick cut and they'd basically get whatever they wanted. It was a thing of beauty. In Washington, Eddie Jordan saw similar excellent results with only three legitimate options, Gilbert Arenas, Antawn Jamison and Caron Butler. When he had those three guys healthy for basically an entire season in 2005-2006, the Wizards were unbelievable offensively. They ranked 7th in the league in pace (92.3 possessions per game) and 6th in offensive efficiency (109.3 points per 100 possessions). They put those numbers up with Arenas, Jamison and Butler taking an astonishing 63% of the team's shots on the season. Basically, the P.O. was run with this guiding rule: Get the first open look for GA, AJ or CB, and take it. This should be especially heartening to us Sixers fans, because that Washington team certainly didn't have much talent surrounding its big three. Fourth in field goal attempts was Antonio Daniels, who shot 41.8% on 550 FGA and a miserable 22.8% from long range on 101 attempts. Willie Green blew both of those numbers out of the water this season for the Sixers. The offense kept the ball out of the hands of the likes of Brendan Haywood (432 FGA in 1,879 minutes), Jared Jeffries (415 FGA in 1,951 minutes) and Etan Thomas (246 FGA in 1,121 minutes). Conversely, the 2008-2009 Sixers saw Andre Iguodala, Andre Miller and Thaddeus Young account for only 48% of the team's field goal attempts. Lou Williams heaved up 844 shots in only 1,919 minutes of action. Willie Green took 658 in 1,828. They did a decent job of limiting the Dalembert damage, however. Sammy only attempted 434 in 2,036 minutes. Of course, he was also begging to be traded, so that situation wasn't exactly handled ideally. We'll get back to the Sixers in a second, first I'd like to use one more team as an example. In 2007-2008, the Wizards dealt with major injuries to Arenas and Caron Butler. The two missed a combined 93 games. How did Jordan react? Well, he took the P.O. back to its roots. A team minus two of its big three finished with a 43-39 record by slowing the pace significantly. In a fact, they went from 5th in the league the year before (94.1 possessions per game) to 27th in the league in '07-08 (89.5 possessions per game). They also somehow finished 12th in offensive efficiency with DeShawn Stevenson and Antonio Daniels forced to play over 2,000 minutes each. The offense changed from finding the first good look for the big three to working the ball around the court to find the best available shot period, and milking clock in the process. I have to say this research left me feeling better about Eddie Jordan coaching this team. Jordan has a history of utilizing the talent he has, and changing his approach to fit the talent level. If the team makes no moves whatsoever, I firmly believe he'll have them clicking on offense this season. The bulk of the shots will probably be taken by Brand, Iguodala and Thad, as they should be. Guys like Green and Dalembert will be minimalized in the offense. That being said, the big three for Washington could all stretch the floor. The Sixers don't have that luxury, and stretching the floor will be key in this offense. The need for shooting is paramount, even if Thad continues to develop his touch. While I think the Sixers probably eclipse the overall talent level of those Washington teams already, the bar has to be set higher. They need to get to the point Sacramento was at in its heyday, not only offensively, but defensively as well (Sacramento ranked 6th in defensive efficiency that season as well). They have three pieces right now who can play both ends and be counted on in this offense, Elton Brand, Thad Young and Andre Iguodala. Marreese Speights could probably be really effective offensively right now, but he cannot be trusted on defense. Lou could still turn the corner and Jason Smith is a big maybe on both ends. No one else on the roster fits, at all. We haven't talked defense at all, and I suppose we'll save that for another day. I will say this, however, with or without Andre Miller, with or without an impact draft, I firmly believe the Sixers will be a better offensive team this season. Whether or not they finish with a better record, or advance further in the playoffs will be dependant first on whether or not they can maintain or improve their team defense, and then by what personnel changes they make this Summer.
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Brian, well done;that Sacramento team was a beautiful thing to watch,flat out the best passing team I have ever watched.Your point about Jordan adjusting to injuries to change the "pace" of his team also makes me feel good.Addressing this roster with a heady p.g. and a spot up shooter this summer is the way to start and weeding out the guys that "don!t get it " by his first seasons end [ironically that is when Sam, Willie and Reggie may become tradeable] gives Jordan a good timetable to turn this team around.I hope our players can get it ,for the most part.Speights knack for cutting to the rim last year could along with the rest of our athletes make defense a living hell for opposing teams.Good screening will be key and this has not been one of this teams strength!s as much because the guy recieving the screen never seems patient enough to let things develop. I actually think we are an above average mid range shooting team so more open shots will improve our offense from the gitgo.
We have to hope Jordan is a good teacher, no one on this team utilized screens well last year, that's going to be crucial in this offense.
Good research, Brian. One thing I am curious about; I remember hearing that Carrill got the idea from the 60s Celtics and 70s Knicks. It is an interesting thing to note, because, on RealGM, I have seen multiple debates involving Bill Russell. Some of the wise old heads talk about how Russell was used as a high-post passer and facilitator in the Celtics half-court offense, hitting people for lay-ups and jumpers. Now, sounds like Brand is going to be in the Russell role.
The 70s Knicks also had Phil Jackson, & that playing style is how he ended up believing that the Triangle would work for the Bulls.
I also wonder how the Nets ran the offense while EJ was there, what the distribution was?
Either way, the more I think about it, the happier I get. If Stefanski can get smart shooters who can defend, then we might not be that far away?
What do you all think?
My biggest concern right now is defense. Sacto and NJ defended very well. The Wizards just tried to outscore everyone.
Yeah, I had concerns about that. Though I will say he talked a good game today about his defense. The implication that Kidd and Martin as hardnosed two-way players allowing the team to be good defensively bodes well for a squad led by Dala and Brand, don't you think?
It's called the Princeton offense and he's given credit but it goes back a while according to some wikiepdia (unreferenced) stuff and some other stuff I read other places, the name escapes me, but Carril was building on something others had done and just sort of got it right.
Kind of like Billy Beane gets credit for implement what Sandy Alderson told him to do (but left before Beane got going full bore on it)
As I recall, the Princeton offense was created by Butch van Breda Kolff. Carrill is just the most famous practitioner. Sort of like PJ gets credit for the triangle but it was his assistant Tex Winter who was the inventor.
Thanks, that's the name I couldn't remember, I knew it was something like that
WIkiepdia has an unattributed 'factoid'
though its roots may be traced back to Franklin “Cappy” Cappon, who coached at Princeton in the late 1930s.
Brian,
this was the article i have been wanting to see. Is there data on the Nets to compare as well?
Also, is it possible that we run Speights and Brand at the 4-5? It seems like both of those guys are fluid offensive bigs that could flourish in this system.
So i guess the key is Stephen Curry. You need at least one pure three point shooter in the starting 5.
I'm kind of excited.
That Nets team was a different animal altogether. They were middle-of-the-pack offensively (17th in efficiency), but first in defense in 2001. They were almost exactly the same the following season. Both years they went to the finals.
Neither team really had a marksman from three. Kidd led the team in 3PA both seasons, but only shot around 30% on a ton of attempts.
I agree, Brian, that after looking at your data especially seeing what he did with the wizards that I feel better about EJ. I like the starting lineup with Iggy, Thad, Brand, Sammy and a rookie point who can hopefully shoot. And unless we can pull off some miracle trades, I like the idea of having a second unit that can just flat out shoot it, even if they can't do much else (maybe when they're in they can play a junk zone defense to give the opponent a different look and to minimize their own defensive deficiencies). If we could move Lou (who I'm not sure fits the Princeton Offense) and Speights the bench could look like:
Willie (probably can't move)
Donyell
Reggie
Jason Smith
3-4 guys who can shoot lights out and not much else (people like Korver, Redick, Trajan Langdon, Pittsnogle -- I know, I'm dreaming).
Trajan Langdon? Is that guy even in the NBADL?
He plays in Russia -- realistically it'd probably never happen him coming to the sixers; he's more of a prototype of a player who I think would be cool to have a few of on the second unit. Salim Stoudamire is another one that comes to mind.
Well done, sir!
This makes me feel better, but the defensive side of this still scares me.
As you said before, they'll be winning games the Wizard's way - close game all the way then losing by 1 point in the final seconds.