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Dec 10
2010
2:31 AM

by Rich
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The plan was for a recap of last night's game, but it's still too soon. Instead, I thought we could all use a pick-me-up. This morning, Rich is going to treat us to a closer look at the Sixers X's and O's (with video). Specifically, how is Jodie Meeks helping the offense and Thad's resurgence. Enjoy.

Let's start with the obvious: The early returns of Jodie Meeks being inserted into the 76ers starting lineup have been promising. In their last two games, the Sixers have used their offense to secure two wins. Whether that level is sustainable (doubtful) is an argument for another time. For now though, let's enjoy what we've been watching the past couple of nights. A huge part of this and the topic du jour for most of us has been Meeks and his shooting. This is for good reason too, as not many guys in the NBA hit 11 threes in two nights. For the Sixers, it's a welcome sight.

Ever since the 2007 trade of Kyle Korver, the team's lack of any reliable three-point shooters has been a major weakness. This was pointed out by fans and all the way up to Ed Stefanski in the organization. In 2009, an over-the-hill Donyell Marshall was playing crunch-time minutes and making big shots because the team had no other options. Marshall wasn't a very good player, but he provided floor spacing at the end of games. I thought he was their best option, but that wasn't good enough, and the Sixers knew it. That is why Stefanski went out and traded for Jason Kapono two summers ago. The problem with that deal is that Kapono seemingly was afraid to pull the trigger unless he was wide open, possibly in hopes of keeping his three-point field goal percentage artificially high. This year Kapono garnered some early starts, but Doug Collins quickly realized his inability to do anything else positive on the floor, and now he doesn't play at all.

I'm still not really sure what to make of Meeks, because it's not clear he does anything else besides shoot the three-ball well. To his credit, he does give a lot of effort on the defensive end, so maybe more playing time can turn him at least into an adequate defender. Even so, it seems as if Jodie can really help the other starters when he is playing the 2. He has definitely earned his spot in the starting lineup for now. My two big questions are: 1. What is a realistic shooting percentage from deep for Jodie? It's definitely not this high, but the guy really looks like he has a pure stroke. 2. Does he still help the team out even if he's not shooting great with his spacing?

Those two questions kind of go hand-in-hand with each other because how high his shooting percentage is and how consistent he is will determine how teams play him. As long as he's able to take a defender away from giving strong help on any driver, he's doing his job. That's the thing too: If someone decides to help too far off him, Jodie will get the ball. The whole starting lineup is full of willing passers, with Jrue spearheading the effort as he tries to become a top-flight NBA point guard. Iguodala is as good as they get as a passer from the small forward spot, and Brand has learned to be able to pass the ball after facing all of the double teams he's seen in his career. We all know the resurgent and ball- friendly Spencer Hawes can pass the ball, even though I'm not sure the Peyton Manning comparison is a complement anymore. Any way you slice it, Jodie will get the ball when he's open, and he'll let it fly with his quick release.

For the video portion, let's take a glimpse of the threat of Jodie making the other guys better. I can show some of his threes, but that would look like a highlight tape. Here's the first one:



Alright, seems like a pretty simple play, right? Just to set the scene, this monster flush from Andre came shortly after Jodie had made two quick threes. It also came off a broken play where Brand lost control of the ball and tracked it down in the corner where he passed the ball to Iguodala. After a bungled pick and roll coverage (Ladies and gentleman, Antawn Jamison!), Andre has a wide-open lane to the rim and he turns the corner quickly. Now, this is not good defense from Cleveland whatsoever. Someone should be stopping Iguodala at some point (especially because there are no real shot-blockers on the floor), and forcing him to give up the ball. That doesn't happen, but take a look at why. As soon as he gets a head of steam coming off the screen, the first logical guy to help is Daniel Gibson. His problem is that he is guarding Jodie, who has just made two threes, and he elects to stay with him. The beauty of three-point shooters is that they make it harder to help because they space the floor. If this play is defended properly, Varejao cuts Iguodala off and he dumps it to Brand for a baby eight footer or a dunk. No matter what, it still will be a good look and if Gibson comes to help, Jodie's getting the ball.

No matter what people say about Andre being talented enough to score 20-plus on every night, he's not really a natural scorer. He's such an explosive athlete, but he doesn't efficiently attack the rim like the league's best slashers do. Don't get me wrong, if he sees an opening he'll take it, but he doesn't have the relentless "get to the rim" gene. Another reason he doesn't get to the rim is that he won't force drives, which he had to do a lot with how clustered the lane has been since Iverson left for the first time. He'll only be helped by Jodie's spacing, and that much more of a danger to score.

Being able to space the floor is a simple concept, and this example won't blow people's minds, but it makes the Sixers a much more dangerous team. Let's say Turner is in there on that play. Things may go wrong because, he won't be past the three point line thus making it an easier help, or he wouldn't be viewed as a threat out there inviting Iguodala to pass it back out there. Right now, Jodie is the right fit in the starting lineup, although Turner's minutes are a whole other topic. Even getting one or two of those easy looks a game is HUGE, when your point differential is close to even, and the team is still 7-14.

There are other examples of a subtle difference Jodie makes if he's shooting well. We know that he will make Jrue and AI9 better players by creating driving lanes, but there is another guy who stands to benefit: Elton Brand. In the third quarter of last night's game, EB scored eight quick points. The first one was an offensive rebound where his man (Hickson) wildly ran out to contest a Jodie three, and he was able to grab the board and get an easy put-back. The other three were isolation moves where he had single coverage. For this team, EB with only one man on him usually means good things. He's the 2nd best isolation guy on the team (we'll get to the first guy later) and he just really understands what he wants to do depending on how a guy is playing him. If Meeks is a threat, he adds another guy you don't want to leave along with Jrue. As long as Hawes gets himself into a good position (which he's done the past couple of games), he can be a threat. It just gives the defense less options on what to do. It's only a two game sample so don't go crazy, but they were two very good games.

Now that we seem to have the first quarters figured out, the bench needs someone that they can rely on scoring the ball. That's been pretty easy all season, as our best 1 on 1 player has had a great year. No, that's not Lou Williams, who is shooting 36 percent from the field. It would happen to be Thaddeus Young, who has been deadly efficient scoring the ball.

Doug Collins is no fool. He understands players' strengths/weaknesses, and Thad has been playing at the 4 a ton this year. Yes there are negatives to Thad at the four namely defense and rebounding, but he does have one huge advantage: There doesn't seem to be a power forward on the planet who can keep Thad in front of him. Thad accomplishes this despite a real outside jump-shot (which opponents are fully aware of) and a very strong tendency to go to the left side of the rim. Defenders routinely play off of him, but Thad's killer first-step and whirling dervish moves have allowed him to shoot a hair under 60 percent. This is even more impressive considering Thad is purely a scorer. Playing off him should hurt him, unlike a guy like Rondo who can probe a defense and make plays for other guys with all of the space.

Thad really has become a great isolation guy, and he really does it starting in one spot. He starts about 15-18 feet from the hoop, somewhere at the top of the key. I personally think he likes to be a shade to the left of dead on because he loves his left hand, but he can start anywhere from the top of the key. Back to Collins, he routinely gets the ball to Thad in this spot, where he can succeed. Here's an example of him calling a play specifically for Thad, and telling everyone else to get out of the way:



You can't see it in this video, but Jrue had just taken a quick three and Collins decided to call a play to settle the offense down. I couldn't really hear what it was exactly called, but it had the word 'Thad' in it. No rocket science here, just let him catch it with his back to the basket outside the elbow, let him face up, and blow by Jamison here. Good to see Thad is used as sort of a stabilizing force for the offense.

That's one way to get Thad the ball there, but even against very good defenders Thad should get regular touches. Here he is matched up against the rugged Gerald Wallace, who will fight for every inch, making, a post up hard to accomplish. So Collins elects to do something he's often done this year, start Thad low:



This is the simplest one I could find, with just one down screen. Hawes goes down and gets enough of his body on Wallace where Thad makes a catch, and shows his improvement going right. He takes it two dribbles because Wallace is completely giving him that side, and he gets back to his left hand, a lot like Manu Ginobili. Collins has more complex ways of getting Thad the ball when he starts him low. Sometimes Collins has him screen for a guard who is running the baseline towards the wing. Thad sets this screen and then pops out to his comfort zone and isolates. When you have a guy like Thad that you can iso, it's just a matter of getting him the ball.

Sorry about the quality of the video, my laptop isn't very fast and I have trouble with a lot of videos. Hopefully I'll find a way to get rid of that problem. All comments and thoughts are welcome. Brian actually suggested the Thad part, and I would be open to trying to find some trends that people are interested in seeing if they exist.

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really well done man

Great stuff Rich!!! Keep these X's and O's editions coming.

Great post, the video examples really help with understanding the offense.

great post.

Really great to get such in depth analysis, helps see things we normally wouldn't be able to spot.

Indeed Meeks has done a great job spacing the floor. That would be a great effect if he could make one or two shots per game, but he has shot really much better than expected over the past few games. If he even produces half that output that's really enough for me.

It has to be said, trading for Meeks has turned out to be not a bad move after all.

Thanks for a thought-provoking analysis!

Rich, good stuff!!! I have 3 questions;

1] will it get to the point where a resigned Thad and Lou will always finish close games for this team and become a go to tandem?

2] can Lou back off his scoring mode a bit and split that role with Thad; it seems he is starting to look for him more.

3] can Turner be a glue guy, like Iggy, if we suddenly get scoring from 3 other places [Lou,Thad and Meeks] and can we resume the Piston comparisons if we add a couple defensive bigs?

Suede, I have my doubts about all three of those things. I still don't know if Meeks is anywhere close to a starter in this league. Yeah, if he's close to a 50 percent three point shooter and his defense improves a little, why not? Still that doesn't seem realistic. Regardless, he's definitely a rotation guy, and a valuable piece with his shooting. Right now, he's the best guy to start too.

I'm getting to the point where resigning Thad to a reasonable deal would be great. We now have the whole season to judge, but his rebounding is getting better, and it continued last night. That's encouraging. My big problem with last night's game is that Thad didn't get the ball enough towards the end of the game (especially in the 3rd quarter). While Hawes (who was pretty good besides this) was jacking 15 footers, Thad had Big Baby on him. How does he not get a touch every time? Is that on him or Collins?

As for Lou, I'm not really crazy about his play.

On January 18, 1998, the Sixers traded a 2nd round pick for a little-used guard named Eric Snow, who was languishing as a deep reserve for the Seattle Supersonics.

On February 10, 2010, the Sixers traded a 2nd round pick for a little-used guard named Jodie Meeks, who was languishing as a deep reserve for the Milwaukee Bucks.

Even though Snow got more playing time with the Sixers during the balance of the 1997-98 season, the Sixers decided to use their lottery pick in the 1998 NBA draft on Larry Hughes (with Dirk Nowitzki and Paul Pierce still on the board) - thinking that he could be the guy that they could pair with Allen Iverson as their backcourt of the future...even though the position that they envisioned for him was a position that he never played in college.

Even though Meeks got more playing time with the Sixers during the balance of the 2009-10 season, the Sixers decided to use their lottery pick in the 2010 NBA draft on Evan Turner - thinking that he could be the guy that they could pair with Jrue Holiday as their backcourt of the future....even though the position that they envisioned for him was a position that he never played in college.

I don't want to get too far ahead of myself here...and I am not second-guessing the decision to take Turner. Obviously, Evan Turner may still turn out to be an excellent basketball player. I only pray that we do not look back 2-3 years from now and see Jodie Meeks as our starting SG...and forever link Turner's name with Favors or Cousins the way we like Hughes' name with Pierce and Nowitzki.

Someone told me to always remember this statement: "The truth shall set you free, but first, it will piss you off."

even though the position that they envisioned for him was a position that he never played in college.

that's not true. He played SG his freshman year and quite a bit his sophomore year, where he played both.

Haha, my obvious question is who is today's representation of Iverson, Jrue or Iguodala?

As for Turner if he can become what Hughes should've been (without the injuries that hampered his career), we'll be fine...

Oh I don't know, even when he was healthy there were big problems in his game.

True, but if it wasn't for the injuries who's to say he wouldn't have improved even more. And my point was more towards Turner not being a bust, rather then saying Hughes was a very good player. Hughes wasn't a bust even though there were players drafted after him that turned out better.

Playing well isn't enough for the Sixers:

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Great post!
I think Meeks 3pt percentage will be good on the long term. So, all along we have been talking about a pure sg and a phisical C, defenvise minded to upgrade this roster. I think that the sg is here, and will even be better if we get the C, because a shot blocker will help Meeks if he can“t keep up with his man in the defensive end. Hawes is playing better but he is not a blocker. Can we get a decent C who intimidates without giving away Iguodala? O can we pull the trigger, get this (young) C and may be some thing else for Iggy and focus in developing Turner?

Yes, maybe for Lou W. Could accomplish both. Acquire a young center/PF(Thompson?) and therefore provide add'l minutes for Turner. I can only wish..............

Yeah, may be using Lou and the expiring of Kapono we can get a big body with atletism. If the chemistry develop the team can compete even before Brand get off the book

Great post, Rich, as always. From what you've seen, what do you think is Turner's preferred spot on the floor, and can Collins run sets to get him the ball in those spots?

Yeah I think he can. My thing is if it's even worth it right now. Turner has not showed us that he can be effective playing off the ball, nor that he really wants to touch the ball if he doesn't bring it up. Way too passive.

The trouble with Turner is as Brian said in the Summer, he can't shoot threes. His off-the-ball game would develop immensely if he could shoot threes. Right now that's a problem because Jodie probably makes more threes than Turner's long twos, and it's easier to isolate a guy when your wing is parked out at the three. If your guards can blow by their man, you are forcing the help guy to make a decision if the guy is in the corner for the three. He either has to help with the driver or just let him go. With Turner not being able to do that, he might be able to help and recover to contest the shot.

Three point shooting is something Turner needs to work on a ton in the Summer.

Plenty of shooting guards have succeeded without being able to shoot threes. Even a non-explosive player like Hamilton was able to get by for a very long time without range. I mean, his inability to shoot threes is a problem as far as spacing, but I don't think it can be used to excuse his not being able to get to the basket.

Who is using it as an excuse? I have no idea why he can't get off a good shot either. For playing with this current lineup, it looks obvious that the 2 needs to be able to shoot it, that's all. If AI9 gets traded then it's a different story.

Shooting guards need to be explosive athletes if they can't shoot a lick from deep. Rip Hamilton was a great midrange shooter too, if Turner develops his game I don't think anyone will complain.

Oh, I thought you were saying that the reason he struggles is that he can't shoot, not just that the reason he causes us spacing problems is that he can't shoot.

Talking about Turner has become a painful subject.

good post. this blog is getting better and better with the analysis.

Back to last night for anyone who can stomach it, I can't believe Collins brought Lou in and told them to switch everything. Simply put, we win that game if Jrue goes under that Rondo screen. Rondo has three seconds to make a play, and Jrue would have already been ready to take away his drive. Damn.

Yup. Rondo would've been moving toward the corner w/ another guy camped out there (and another defender in the area) with no shot and no time. Ugh.

The NBA Playbook guy blames Thad because Jrue looked to be going under the screen. I can't tell because it looks like Jrue is going to switch too.

I just think Collins would tell them to help off Rondo at all costs of giving up a wide open layup to him. This really was the perfect storm to do that because they put the ball in his hands. Damn, again.

Also worth mentioning in this is Jodie leaving Ray Allen for a quarter century to help on Rondo, which is absolutely inexcusable. I know they are a young team, but could they get it right once?

That play was such a back breaker. Jodie left Allen to stop a pass to Rondo at the three point line. Rondo.

I think if Jrue had gone under the screen, Rondo would have blown past him (as he did all night), Thad would have helped, and Rondo would have kicked it back to Garnett for an open 17-footer for the win. As it was (if I'm remembering correctly), Garnett made a semi-difficult play look easy, catching the pass, turning, and laying it in in one motion. He missed on a play just like that last year (in the Sixers' one win in Boston). Of course, the big problem was that even if Garnett had missed, the Sixers had no one to rebound.

The thing is, if Brand had stayed in, the Sixers would have been left with something like Thad on Ray Allen again and even less help on a Rondo P/R. Honestly, I'm not sure the Sixers have enough personnel to defend well on a last-second play. The best the Sixers could have hoped for was a Pierce isolation vs. Iguodala, which is the way the Sixers got the stop last year in their win vs. the Celtics. Rivers was smart enough to go away from that this time.

Rondo blowing by him would be very possible, but I'd take a crazy Rondo floater than what we gave up. Obviously we would have taken anything rather than what they gave up.

I don't think Rondo gets to the hoop there. The way the play was set up, he was moving laterally, toward the sideline, away from the middle of the floor, so going under would've cut off any kind of drive. If he was moving toward the middle of the floor, then yeah, he probably would've just gone to the hole.

Man, I don't want to see that play ever again.

Yeah I tend to agree with you on that Rondo point. Statman may be right though with not enough personnel to defend at the end of the games. Sammy's absence seemed big there.

Man, I don't want to see that play ever again.

I'm going to be watching it at least one more time while I do the reverse boxscore for this game, so I'll let you know what I see. You might be right.

As far as daggers go, was this worse than the Ray Allen shot? To me, the Allen shot was worse, because they had a 2-point lead and it was a preventable error with the personnel they had on the floor.

Yeah, the Ray Allen shot was worse. Up two, you're thinking worst-case, it goes to overtime. Just don't allow any open threes. Then Ray freaking Allen gets open for one?

Yes the Ray Allen shot was worse. I have seen this for the last 3 years since I sit caddy corner to the Sixers bench. It is not like defenders shouldn't be aware of Allen. They should stick to him like glue. However it seemed like the Sixers were giving Garnett that jump shot all night which is better then him getting to the rim. If Garnett was wide open for a 17 foot jumper and it went in I would have said nice job Boston but this play was hard to stomach.

The worst buzzer beater of the past couple years was the Devin Harris shot, though. I still swear they got like an extra full second on the clock, then Iguodala knocks the ball out of his hands on the way up, he regroups and hits a 50-foot runner from his chest. I still can't believe that crap.

NO doubt....If anyone has any doubts about the blog name. You and I were both at that away game....Still haunts me. That shot should not have counted.

I can't stomach listening to this entire thing, it sounds like it was recorded in an S&M dungeon, but Stephen A. Smith has a podcast now, and he talks about the Sixers.

The funny thing is that he's a Philly guy, in name, right? Well, early on he says, "I watched some of the Sixers/Celtics game." Some of it? And now you're giving me your expert, paid opinion on the team, huh? Ugh. OK, maybe I haven't settled down yet.

He says we should trade Iguodala for Carmelo so we can trade Carmelo and use him as sign-and-trade bait. Once we have Carmelo... we can trade Carmelo, and then "everybody will be coming to you." This is like listening to the rantings of a homeless man.

Did he really open it up by saying watch out for pickpockets?

Yeah, well you know, most people have lovely hearts out there on Philly's mean streets, but a pernicious few are out to spoil your holiday cheer. The best part was when he was like, "soooo, Carmelo won't sign with Philadelphia. Some say that means we shouldn't trade for Carmelo. But I say no! Because if you trade for Carmelo, then you move your stature up in the Atlantic Division, and then all the free agents will come to you, and then maybe an orLANDO will come to YOU and you can use him as SIGN AND TRADE BAIT. And if you're the 76ers you want to be IN THE MIDST OF THAT."

OK, so if you get Melo, and he won't sign, that means other free agents will want to sign here, and then you can sign-and-trade Melo (forget that the sign-and-trade may not even be available in the new CBA) to orlando. Maybe I should listen to this.

I think he really wants the Sixers to get Melo because it'll make it easier for him to write nonsense about the team without actually watching any of their games.

Actually he might be trying to say that we're trading for him to keep him away from New York. I should just transcribe this for the commenters' amusement because it's really brilliant. "The more you see the Knicks playing WELL, the more you see them doing what they been doing in New YAWK, the more you know that Carmelo Anthony wants to end UP in New York. But at the same time, they're not the only team that WANTS Carmelo Anthony. The 76ERS would like to get their hands on Carmelo Anthony! The New Jersey NETS would like to get their hands on Carmelo Anthony! That's three teams within the ATLANTIC DIVISION that want Carmelo Anthony, if they could somehow get him. The reason that's relevant as it pertains to Andre Iguodala is that the more Carmelo Anthony is coveted the more other teams will be willing to help those guys out because they're going to sense the level of desperation. They're going to KNOW that the New Jersey Nets are willing to let go of Derrick Favors, along with a couple first-round picks, in order to get THEY HANDS on Carmelo Anthony. They KNOW that the New Yawk Knicks are desperate to get him to pair with Amare Stoudemire because that would be a FAWCE. OBVIOUSLY if you're the 76ers you already have the Boston Celtics within the Atlantic Division to look up at. The last thing you need is another team to get a player of the caliber of a CARMELO ANTHONY because that just DWINDLES your prospects of a brighter future when you have two teams in your division with better talent than yourself. So that means the 76ers have to get on the BALL. You have a guy with Andre Iguodala, the PERFECT WORLD would be to pair him with Carmelo Anthony. But Carmelo Anthony doesn't want to RE-SIGN with Philadelphia, he's not coming. So if you're the 76ers the obvious thought process would be to give up hope and find a different direction to move in. I SAY NO!! I say you want to get rid of Andre Iguodala anyway [because he won't win us a championship and is not "a one man wrecking crew that can average 30 a night for you"]. So if you're the 76ers, you have to think, how can I get my hands on a better option? If you get Carmelo Anthony and move Andre Iguodala to Denver, what you THEN do is elevate YOUR PROFILE within the Eastern Conference, and then you position yourself for the FUUUUUTURE, so that everybody comes your way when free agency arrives for Carmelo Anthony in the summer. What you do is you find yourself in position to use Carmelo Anthony as a SIGN AND TRADE BAIT. That will ultimately have everybody CLAMORING TOWARDS YOU, and you can then manipulate the balance of power in the Eastern Conference, because it's clear, that's where Carmelo Anthony will end up. He's PROLLY not going to end up in the WESTERN Conference. [But wait - once Denver's not doing the trading, wouldn't we want to send him back West? Since Carmelo is capable of turning any team into a "FAWCE"??] If you're the 76ers you want to be in the midst of all of that. I'm going to keep reiterating that until that point hits home!"

I didn't want to read that, but my guess is a Stephen A impression.

Not an impression, Stephen A's actual plan, verbatim, for rebuilding this team. One which he will keep reiterating until the point hits home with our management!

So by this logic, Toronto and Cleveland were in the driver's seat last summer. And they decided that Miami was the best place to send LeBron and Bosh, right? And both Miami and Toronto got a ton of value in return for their departing All Stars.

Stephen A. actually acknowledges that we might send Carmelo to New Jersey or New York anyway, since, you know, it's ultimately sort of his decision, but it's all to the good because we'll still have everybody "CLAMORING TOWARDS YOU." Besides, it's not about the value we get back in this sign-and-trade, it's all about the cap space from clearing Iguodala, plus the great boon this would be to our "PROFILE in the Eastern Conference."

Thanks, Tray, for transcribing that. Reading it gave me the impression that the universe was being bathed in sunshine.

There's lots of guys in my neighborhood who stand on the corner all day and talk for hours to anyone who'll listen. Except they don't talk basketball but about things like "how to make a mustang haul ass."

I remember when that happened and there was nothing going on in the game. I still think he was saying fuck you to a celtics fan.

I thought it was because Doug put in Lou for Elton. He reacted that way right as it became clear who Doug intended to put on the floor in the final 5 seconds.

It's nice to know at least somebody in the organization genuinely cares. Snider probably didn't even know that the Sixers were playing Boston last night.

It's articles like this that are a big reason why I love reading this blog. No subjectivity, no player-bashing, just in-depth analysis with video clips to back it up. It's funny because you're pointing out things that have been a problem for the Sixers ever since Larry Brown left really. I think Meeks will be at the very least an adequate defender at the 2. I don't think he'll shut anybody down but he's a guy who can disappear into the defense, as in he doesn't stand out with bad play. He's still learning and makes a few mistakes but I think he'll be solid. He's never going to be on Evan Turner's level once Turner has transitioned fully and is shooting like he did in college but I think Meeks, Thad, Brackins, Speights, and either Lou or hopefully a backup point guard as your second-unit of the future is pretty damn nice.


I saw somebody compare the Eric Snow situation to the Meeks situation. You can't do that. Eric Snow was a role-playing point guard, which is exactly what the Sixers needed at the time with AI playing AI-ball. Meeks is a guy the Sixers liked but I doubt they saw him as anything but a project. I remember Stefanski saying he could be a shooter for them. Also, Evan Turner is definitely not Larry Hughes. Larry Hughes was a typical "hip hop generation" player. Evan Turner is a true star, and him being an off-the-ball scorer for this team is exactly what they need to put them over the top(well, once they have a shot-blocker that is).


Say what you want about Stefanski but look at some of the moves he has made. He drafted Jrue 17th, Speights 16th, traded bench players and a 2nd rounder for a rookie with pretty good upside, and then traded two guys who were clogging up the rotation for another promising rookie and an expiring contract. Yes he signed Elton over Josh Smith but for what the Sixers needed at the time, it was the right move. If Dalembert had ever realized his potential as a consistent defensive force, nobody would have had a problem with Brand's contract. Speaking of Sammy, look at what he got for him: a young big man with an expiring contract who was highly regarded coming out of both HS and college, and a solid energy player who's more talented than he gets credit for. He's also added some pretty solid backup players over the years in Ivey, Rush, Kapono, Ratliff, Brezec and Battie this year. I think what will make or break Stefanski's legacy here will be Iguodala and his own legacy.

"Evan Turner is a true star"

Well maybe. He could just be a guy who dominated a weak conference in his junior year. People can talk about how he struggles when moving to another level, but he struggled in the summer league too, which isn't quite as much of a huge change in talent. I kind of need to see at least a couple games out of him where he looks like a star, or at least a good player, before I think there's any real chance of his ever being a star. Right now I would tend to think that he may turn out to be a John Salmons type of player, or he might not even be that.

He's nothing like Salmons. Don't get me wrong, I love Salmons but Turner is head and shoulders above Salmons. Salmons is a streetball star.

Turner is a lot like Jrue was last year. He's still figuring things out and in the meantime he's feeling his game out the way Jrue was last year. He's probably teaching himself those moves he's working on in games. He's just continuing to build his offensive repetiore, the way you want a guy who's going to be your #1 scorer to do. The fact that he has the feel for the game to do what he's doing in games(seeing what works, making adjustments, learning by doing) shows you how talented and intelligent of a player he really is. That seems to be the type of player Stefanski tries to draft or add in another way, a guy who can improvise and just "play ball" instead of one who has to practice moves outside of the game or have a go-to move. That's really the difference between Billy King's regime and Stefanski's. He drafts based on intangibles and basketball IQ versus current skills or athleticism.

Oh right, and Thad's been playing great. I was skeptical at first about the way Collins kept playing him at the 4 so much but the way he's both not trying to make him play like a post-up player and also not having him shooting a lot of perimeter shots is really getting the best out of him. I'm glad to see him finally being used properly, as a 4 when he has the speed/quickness advantage and as a 3 when he has the height advantage, and not trying to force him to play either role because of a need. I really hope the Sixers can re-sign him because he's an asset off the bench when used correctly.


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