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The Iverson Fiasco

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JohnMagee on Nov 8 at 19:45
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Iverson was a special kind of player, a unique kind of player, and he needed a 'special built' team around him to maximize his unique skillset (and mask his weaknesses). Billy King / Larry Brown maximized that in 2001 but rules changes, roster changes, and the rat jumping ship doomed a sixer team built around Iverson in 2003, though Billy King kept trying once the rat left...but it was on the wall then and just painful to watch. His lack of success in places like Denver or Detroit should not be a surprise to anyone...yes he should have accepted a role off the bench, but he never had, never gave any indication he was going to and Memphis should have known it wasn't going to make him happy...I'm really 'looking forward' to the Iverson hater posts that will come through this thread, but he carried the sixers of 2001 closer to an NBA title than any one else has since the 83 team won the title, and that should be appreciated.

The sixers just traded him about 2-3 years too late

I'll kick it off.

The past two seasons have been tough to watch for me. The Detroit trade put Iverson in an untenable situation, one which he made infinitely worse, but still there was really never going to be a good outcome.

Then this past summer, he waited and waited and waited for someone, anyone to come calling. Memphis eventually did, although no one can really explain why. Then the Memphis "braintrust" either didn't explain his role prior to signing him, lied about it, or Iverson himself just didn't listen. Now he's in the same situation he was in last season in Detroit.

Iverson was one of the most exciting players to set foot on the court, his desire to win continually won out over concern for his body. He'd shed blood to win games (or at least to do what he thought would win games). He was a true warrior. I wish a team with an opening in their starting lineup would've signed Iverson for this season, just for one final run, but they didn't. He took the only offer that was out there, and the Grizzlies just didn't have a spot for him, but off the bench.

He's immature, his view of his abilities doesn't mesh with reality anymore. He is a bench player at this point in his career, but unfortunately, he's never going to be one in his own mind.

If this is the end, I'm sorry it ended this way. I'd say he deserved better, but that would be emotions talking. He's just the most recent in a long line of guys whose egos didn't diminish in proportion to their skills. If he can't search his soul and realize that he needs to accept a lesser role to be in the NBA at this point, he should just walk away. In fact, he should probably just walk away no matter what, coming back to be a bench player for the Memphis Grizzlies is just sad.

A bit role on a contender? A last ditch effort as a role player for a ring? That I could get behind, but I don't want to see him and Zach Randolph fighting for shots. Just ride off into the sunset.

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eddies' heady's reply to Brian on Nov 8 at 19:56
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Amen, loved the guy and always will. Couldn't have been said better.

However good a player he was once, the guy is nuts. Ginobili comes off the bench; why can't he? Hasn't he ever heard of being eased back into shape after coming off an injury? Where does he think he should start, anyway? It'd be crazy to start him over the point guard they're trying to develop, and the same goes for Mayo. He is a starter on some teams, and sure, he's a better player than Mike Conley right now, but doesn't he understand that that team is trying to build for the future, not try really hard to win 35 games right now? His grip on reality just seems to be really shaky.

Yeah, although we are talking about Memphis, so it would fit with their overall decision-making pattern to start Iverson over Conley.

He obviously either didn't think about what was waiting for him in Memphis, or didn't believe what was told to him. He's delusional.

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deepsixersuede on Nov 8 at 22:32
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I was hoping he would "get it" late in his career and ,like Tim Hardeway, become a 18 and 8 type player that could take games over late but it wasn!t meant to be. How good would he be if he came into the league now, with all the rule changes and all.Does this ugly ending keep him out of the hall of fame ?

No way, he's a clear-cut hall of famer.

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Tray reply to Brian on Nov 8 at 22:52
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All MVPs are essentially automatic Basketball Hall of Famers; I don't think there's one who didn't make it in. Which is stupid in my view; I'd prefer a more selective Hall of Fame a la Cooperstown. On the other hand, in baseball guys have seasons completely out of line with their career numbers, even pre-steroids, whereas in basketball almost all MVP's had pretty great careers, so I can understand, sort of anyway, why there's that difference.

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Mike reply to Tray on Nov 9 at 0:16
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has nothing to do with him being an MVP though. dude is less than 6 ft and scored 30ppg for a number of years. toughest player pound for pound in nba history.

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Tray reply to Mike on Nov 9 at 15:49
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Yeah, that isn't reason enough for me. I mean, would we put Boykins in the Hall of Fame if he had managed to average 20 ppg for a few seasons? Or what if Manute Bol had actually learned to play like a decent approximation of a shooting guard?

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Mike reply to Tray on Nov 9 at 21:40
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probably, yes

The way Memphis handled this situation is disgraceful. The best way I can describe it is Michael Scott Management 101. You have a delicate situation which needs conflict resolution, and instead of talking it over with both sides, you just ignore the situation altogether & hope everything works out on its own. How they didn't discuss coming off the bench with him is mind-boggling.

This is the team that traded Gasol to the Lakers to save money, then traded for Zach Randolph, making the same amount of money as Gasol.

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Mike reply to Brian on Nov 9 at 0:18
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oh no doubt that i didn't expect anything less from chris wallace

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Mike reply to Brian on Nov 9 at 0:20
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wow i completely forgot he was the same guy who traded joe johnson for tony delk & rodney rogers

If any of you care to know, which I doubt any of you do...the two kanji characters featured so beautifully on Iverson's neck: the top one means, "center" or "inside." The bottom one means, "heart."
And the big one on Speight's arm means, "empire."
Anyway, back to Iverson...
Absolutely terrible move by the Grizzles management. There's growing offensive talent on that team (note: offensive), and there is a chance they could grow to become better. Putting Iverson in the mix was like throwing a monkey wrench into the situation. The guy has to understand his role, anymore. There are few places in the NBA for a 34 year old, small guy who can't defend well. Other than that, his time on the sixers was great, so much to the point where your average idiot fan has to always comment about how Iguodala will never be a "star like Iverson."

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Court_visioN on Nov 9 at 12:34
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Correction on the Chinese character on AI's neck: it means loyalty

I'm not really sure if you understood what I wrote or not, so I'll elaborate...
The two symbols combined might mean, "loyalty." I won't take that away from you as I'm only starting to study kanji. However, like most kanji, there are symbols within symbols. As I said before, the top part, separately means "center" and the bottom part means, "heart."

And now upon further research, you were not completely correct as the symbol on his neck is only the first part (of two symbols)for, "loyalty."

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