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Brian, I'm right with you(as usual) and I may stop watching. I've been hoping for failure. So, the coach would be fired. After the GM's latest comments(post Milwaukee) I believe both Ed's are together in this and personnel moves will be done prior to any coaching change. This really depresses me.

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bebopdeluxe on Jan 29 at 8:37
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Good post, Brian. Yup - it's a dilemma.

Obviously, the most logical course of action is to fire EFJ, and tell McKie to play the kids...and accept the fact that, if that is done, we are probably looking at the 10th pick in the draft as opposed to a legit shot at Wall.

That - to me - is WAY better than some of the loopy trades that are being suggested on RealGM or other boards. Trading Iggy for (as you say) table scraps, or packaging one of our young assets to move Brand (who is actually starting to play like we all expected him to play). Correct me if I am wrong, but we really do not need to do anything to get under the lux tax until the 2010-11 trade deadline...which would seem to give us ample time to 1) play the kids; 2) get another key piece through the draft and 3) get a HC in here who can get a handle on what we have and what we need.

I would love it if - rather than a softball interview by Barkann on CSN - either Kate Fagan or Tom Moore could get Snider one-on-one and ask him why it makes more sense to rip apart our roster than it is to simply get rid of a clearly pathetic coach (this, from a guy who changes coaches on the Flyers like Chiclets when it suits him).

If we trade Iggy for either an expiring Amare or cap relief, I will blow chunks.

Speaking of Stoudemire, check out this comp.

Brand through the year before he signed w/ the Sixers vs. Amare today.

Well played.

I know that there are some who hate LB's diva-esque ways, but could you imagine what this team would be like with somebody like LB coaching this roster? You add the best SG at #8-10 in the draft this summer, and you have a team that could really make some noise in the East.

Instead, we're going to blow up the roster and keep EFJ.

Priceless.

BTW...reading Jasner's article in todays DN just shows the level to which either 1) he has "lost his fastball" (like Conlin has in some of his bloviating pieces) or 2) how much things have changed over the years from the guys who care more about not ruffling feathers with the teams they cover than the reporters (like Kate Fagan) who "keep it real" with the readers.

Jasner's piece is Exhibit A of why intelligent, passionate fans come to places like Depressed Fan. Fortunately, the Inky's sports editor realizes that it is not the Phil Jasner's of the world that will keep newspaper reporting relevent to the masses but the Kate Fagan's of the world. She "gets it". Her blogs are much closer to what we see here, and here access gives here relevency and cred - as opposed to the access (and cred)that Jasner pisses away with puff pieces like he wrote today.

What makes it hard to keep following the team is that we know what needs be done... but it won't happen.

(Channeling Bebop), Last year it was clear that after Brand went down they should have used the team for player development. That means heavy minutes for Thad at SF, Speights and PF and Lou at PG. Now if that did not happen under an interim coach under no pressure to win... how likely will it happen now when the coach and GM are on the hot seat.

So its almost a package deal. They will either try their hardest to make the playoffs in a attempt to save jobs... or they will blow it up with a big trade likely involving Iguodala.

Since neither seems to be the right course, its a challenge to continue watching. There is a third course of firing the Eds, but if that seems increasingly unlikely as the year drags on.

Ultimately these are the worst things that could happen:

1. ES makes a desperation trade that sets the team back for even more years.

2. EJ forgoes player development and manages to squeeze out enough wins to get a #11 pick and keep his job for next year.

Yup, and both of those things put us in infinitely worse shape than we were heading into last summer, IMO.

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sfw reply to Brian on Jan 29 at 10:00
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Brian, give us a reason to watch!

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JohnEMagee reply to sfw on Jan 29 at 10:02
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Player development? What little of it there can be.

No doubt, tk...no doubt.

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JohnEMagee on Jan 29 at 10:01
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Yes, Joran and Stefanski need to go, and soon, but of course that makes the team 'stand pat' between now and the 18th (which I'm not totally against, but it's what they'd have to do), while the new GM comes in and assesses the team.

If a new GM is brought in, you can't really promise Aaron Mckie anything cause you're hamstringing the GM from the beginning to be able to do one of the major things GM's do.

However, the new GM would still be hamstrung with some bad contracts, a mis-matched roster, and an ownership worried more about luxury tax payments (and the bonuses earned from NOT paying the luxury tax) than wins and losses.

Do I want to see Ed and Ed gone? Yeah I do. Do I think it'll help the team make better basketball moves? Maybe, but not certainly because you still have your ownership with a different agenda than building a winning basketball team.

You can promise McKie a job going forward in the organization. Plus he gets exposure and head coaching experience. I think that is a lot to offer give McKie is new to coaching.

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JohnEMagee reply to tk76 on Jan 29 at 10:54
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I'm fine with that...

I want to post something from a hoopsworld chat from a guy who works at IMG - i find these chats with these guys 'more honest' than what Thorpe gives you - earlier this week another IMG guy said that 'a new contract' is good motivation for Speights. This guy worked directly with Holiday for a couple weeks.

I had the chance to work with Jrue for a few weeks as he prepped down at IMG. It's a lot easier when you work with a guy to see two major factors that count toward speed of development: first, does he pick up what he is being taught quickly, and secondly, does he take it toa new creative level quickly? In other words, and the easiest way to explain it... we were teaching ball-screen fundamentals this summer. Jrue understood what we were doing immediately and "did it." Then, when we went to live gameplay, he was not only able to apply the lessons he learned, but he was able to take them a step or two further, like a player who had a ton of experience. That means a lot - Jrue has a great future ahead of him. Watching a player who I'm not working with is a little different - the main things I look for in terms of how a player has been taught and how their instincts are include how they move without the ball / how they space the floor and the way they attack the basket (seek out contact? protect the rock? explode to finish?). There are a ton of different things to see, though - hard to list them all.

Get this guy minutes, get this guy coaching, this is how you develop him the fastest, and McKie would help - but get E Snow in here to help him defensively, find a guy who knows shooting for guards...

I see your point about mckie - but with me - if i'm hiring a GM - the only thing I tell him is that Dileo and anyone dileo needs stays.

Good info. Thx.

Yeah, I don't think you're really have to promise McKie anything other than a chance to be head coach in the nba right away. He'd leap at it.

Just make sure you get rid of all of Jordan's boys when you fire him. O'Koren and Ayers need to hit the bricks as well.

Discussions like this (talking about Holiday's upside, what McKie's interim staff should look like) get me WAY more jacked up than talking about the mechanics of a Iggy/Amare deal...

Getting ESnow on the staff here gives me a chubby.

McKie as the head coach, Snow to work with Jrue, George Lynch to work on Thad's toughness. Kukoc to give Primoz a pedicure. We could come up with a killer staff of guys who played here under LB.

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JohnEMagee reply to Brian on Jan 29 at 11:08
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Snow to work with Jrue,

Snow is only half the problem though - don't want him helping Jrue with his offensive game :)

Kukok would make a good water boy- the waiter.

Do you trust Stefanski when he says he wont make a trade unless it helps basketball wise?

Hmmn. That's a really, really tough question.

I think the bigger issue may be whether you trust that Stefanski knows what will help, basketball-wise, even if you do trust that he won't make a move just to shed salary.

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steve reply to Brian on Jan 29 at 12:02
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The only move that I would consider a complete salary dump that's been mentioned would be the Iggy-Tmac deal. That would be unforgivable imo. His only blunder so far has been catastrophic in Jordan and we can't really blame him for the Brand signing everyone was on board with. It would just be sad to see a building block like AI9 be dumped to save money.

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JohnEMagee reply to steve on Jan 29 at 12:06
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It depends on how you define 'basketball wise'

Did trading Kyle Korver for an expiring contract help basketball wise? Not on the court, not immediately, but without it the sixers couldn't sign brand (which was a good move at the time...it was a move no one saw coming).

If making a trade frees up some money to spend to improve the team in the off season, it can still be seen as a good basketball wise trade...at least to Stefanski I think.

If ES finds a taker for Brand I would give him a new lease on life. It would show that he can identify mistakes and find solutions regardless of personal implications.

But I doubt anyone could trade away Brand without taking back an equally big contract.

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JohnEMagee reply to tk76 on Jan 29 at 12:16
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The Pistons have some pretty bad contracts.

Just saying

I think we are deluding ourselves with the talent level of this team. While none of the experts predicted the Sixers to perform this poorly, nobody had them above .500. Regardless of who coaches this team.

It might be better to trade away everybody we can for cap space & draft picks and really start all over.

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JohnEMagee reply to Dervin on Jan 29 at 12:21
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That's a plan that always works out right?

To be honest i remember starting the whole john wall thing with a post way back saying "john wall here we come"

but i don't think we will get him...he's a number 1 pick mos def and i rkn we'd have to lose all the remaining games to be worse than the nets (i think haha).

Evan turner looks ok though

It's a lottery, the Nets will only have a 25% chance at getting the number one pick, and the odds go down from there. Our chances decrease if we play better and move in up the standings.

Here's a blurb from Chad Ford's column on teams likely to trade:

Philadelphia 76ers It sounds as if the Sixers are very motivated to make a deal that gives them salary relief right now. They've been dangling Iguodala, once the cornerstone of the franchise, to any team willing to take Samuel Dalembert, too.

Cleveland, Dallas and Houston have been mentioned as possible suitors. While Iguodala might be a little overpaid (and Dalembert is way overpaid), both players could help a team. Given that, I have to believe Philadelphia is going to find a way to make this happen.

What a joke.

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JohnEMagee reply to Brian on Jan 29 at 12:53
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With an expiring 2011 contract - if the sixers include 3 million to compensate for the trade kicker - is Sam Dalembert REALLY that over paid any more?

Chad Ford does his job from Hawaii doesn't he?

Is that him? I know one of them is in Hawaii.

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JohnEMagee reply to Brian on Jan 29 at 13:04
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Yeah it's him - that's why all the chats start out aloha.

Seriously, how reliable can his work be if he's all working from Hawaii

Seriously, how hard can it be to get a job with the 'wwl'?

In this day and age, with the technology at our disposal, does it really matter where you do your job from?

I mean, it's not like he claims to be a scout, where being at the games would be crucial. He's a rumor monger.

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JohnEMagee reply to Derek Bodner on Jan 29 at 14:22
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In certain jobs, yes, certain things are still about 'relationships' and talking to folk face to face...Ford being in Hawaii can't meet a whole lot of people face to face. I think it's a fallacy to say thta any job can be done from anywhere...based on relationships (and good journalism depends on relationships) should still require a face to face type of conversation because you miss out on seeing the person and gauging their reactions to ideas or concepts.

I would venture to say very little non-on-the-beat sports journalism is done face to face.

It's not like Ford sit's on his ass and never leaves the island. he's at the major events.

Who are the "kids" that should be played? Obviously Jrue, but do people want Speights and Thad playing the vast majority of the game? Should Sammy and Brand (who have both been playing great) get less minutes?

ideally, 8-man rotation.

PG: Jrue/Lou
SG: Iguodala/Carney/Lou
SF: Thad/Iguodala
PF: Brand/Speights
C: Dalembert/Speights

It's not so much about how many minutes the young guys play, as it is about what position they play them at.

+1

+1,000,000,000,000

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JohnEMagee reply to Brian on Jan 29 at 13:15
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my favorite part of that is the absence of Willie Green :)

Sammy and Brand don't have to get less minutes. Just stop playing Thad at the 4. You can cut down on Willie, Lou and Iverson's minutes, play thad at the 3 more, and give Speights/Jrue more time.

If you want to believe...

"sixerfan1976 wrote:
so what i have gathered tonight is this.
phoenix wants iguodala....but not really brand or dalembert.

some combination of iguodala, smith and kapono has been talked about..as well as all 3 in same deal.

we are trying to concoct a three way to move brand or dalembert for another expiring but as you can expect are having no luck.

phoenix may do jason richardson and amare for brand or dalembert and iguodala but only if we give up a first rounder...which we would ensure would be top 5 protected this year.

lots of variations and nothing imminent...but for what its worth..talks are becoming more substantial.

still in conversation with houston....but thats on backburner....cleveland talk was around ilgauskas, hickson,jawad and wally(resigned) if needed...shaq not in the talks. Dallas is expected to chat with us next week....what Ed said in the media today is true..lots of talks taking place...."

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JohnEMagee reply to tk76 on Jan 29 at 13:08
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I used to have faith in SF but hes been real off for a while, I think he's getting played by whomever his 'source' used to be - spill too much information and you get cut off...so I'm not going to believe any of this except to say it all kind of made me vomit a little in my mouth just to consider

Every one of those deals seems bad. Maybe the Brand/Iguodala/1st(protected) for Amare/JRich. That sort of works, becasue you can get additional value through a sign and trade of Amare this summer for picks or prospects.

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JohnEMagee reply to tk76 on Jan 29 at 13:11
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Except that if it's only top 5 protection - the sixers probably lose the pick - i'm not down with giving up this years pick (or any pick really)

WHat's missing from the SF rumor - and is kind of key - is if the sixers would plan on trying to extend Amar'e or hope he opts out?

In fact I ckind of like that deal. You keep all of your cheap young players (and lose Iguodala.) You lose a non top 5 pick, but you can probably get that back for Amare this summer. You also have JRich and Sam coming off the books next year year, which can get your more youth/picks at next deadline.

That is as close to the "nuclear option" as I've seen that does not require giving away any of our current young players.

If they don't extend Amare, they are not getting jack shit for him this summer. No way. If this deal goes down he's either walking or getting a monster extension from the Sixers.

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JohnEMagee reply to Brian on Jan 29 at 13:16
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Man, you know how to take a bad situation and make it worse don't ya :)

Really? I realize he could just walk. But with Bird Rights the Sixers can offer an extra year or more cash. So I think there's a good chance the Sixers would get some value.

I'd prefer to dump Brand and keep Iguodala. But if that is impossible, and they are comitted to blowing it up... this is the best move.

By the end of next year you would have Sam, Brand, Green, Kapono, JRich, Amare and Iguodala all gone. Sure you would be lousy, but you would have some promising young players and a fresh slate. But very risky.

Much better IMO than the other horrible moves that Trade away Iguodala and Sam but keep Brand.

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JohnEMagee reply to tk76 on Jan 29 at 13:30
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If the sixers aren't willing to extend him - because of tax fears - why would they do a sign and trade for him - they'd still be stuck with salaries they don't want unless he ends up going to a team with max cap room and they just want to over pay stoudemire more than a standard free agent contract.

Counting on a sign and trade like that is like the mavs fans contacting on the dampier contract (it even has an acronym) getting a big name in this off season since they really have no other young quality assets to offer a team.

There are going to be more teams with cap money than players deserving of it. Someone is going to be able to pay him too much money w/out doing a sign and trade. And take a look back and see if the team on the sign end ever gets anything of value in return.

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JohnEMagee reply to Brian on Jan 29 at 13:34
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And if the sixers are looking for 'luxury tax relief' in this trade, how much could they reasonably take back.

Hell Someone is going to give david lee and his no defens playing ass tons of money this off season too.

Doesn't anyone look at the numbers shawn marion put up when he wasn't coached by d'antoni and think maybe a pattern is forming?

Yes. i mostly see Amare as an expiring. I'd like to see Brand gone by the end of next year without bringing back another long term contract.

And if Iguodala is needed to make that happen, then I would consider it.

Fuck me. Fucking day from hell just keeps getting worse. I hate that douche.

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JohnEMagee reply to Brian on Jan 29 at 13:21
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Is he douchetastic or douchetacular do you suppose?

He's still better than any of the douchenozzles of ESPN as far as I'm concerned...he has more credibility :)

Let's take a look at what this trade would really amount to if it was Brand, Iguodala, 1st round pick for Amare and Jason Richardson.

(If Amare walks) - Ed Stefanski's crowing achievement will have been to sign two players for roughly $160M, then two years later been forced to give up a top-ten pick in the draft simply to unload them. Take a step further, and the Brand signing was so horribly bad, he had to include his best player and a top-ten pick as sweetener to get someone to take Brand's contract off his hands.

(If Amare stays, for max money) - Stefanski will have traded away a top ten pick and his best player for the right to overpay a power forward who has missed more games in his career than Elton Brand did, at the same age Elton Brand was when the Sixers first signed him, who has never played even half the defense that Elton Brand is playing right now.

So, he'd be giving up Iguodala and a top-ten pick basically so he could make the same mistake all over again. That's just fucking brilliant.

" Ed Stefanski's crowing achievement will have been to sign two players for roughly $160M, then two years later been forced to give up a top-ten pick in the draft simply to unload them."

Yes. That is true.

The other option I see is sticking with Brand/Iguodala as your big ticket players for 3.5 more seasons... and then blowing it up.

All bad choices. Choices that honestly are better left in the hands of a new GM without baggage.

You know what, I'll take the top-ten pick this season and wait it out with Brand if those are my choices.

I probably would to. But its interesting in that its the first rumor I've heard that could clear Brand off the books by next year without taking long term badness in return. It has to be considered.

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JohnEMagee reply to tk76 on Jan 29 at 13:44
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I don't see Jrich's contract as long enough to entice the cheap ass sarver to take on Brand AND Iguodala long term...I could see him doing it for Sam - but what's the point - as Sam and J-Rich expire the same year (which just means it's to make Eie happy?)

The deal that centers around Amar'e and Iguodala only makes more sense for both franchises I think...and doesn't cost the sixers a first round pick

Stefanski can't sell it unless he keeps Stoudemire. Stoudemire becomes the long-term badness. We just give up a pick and Iguodala to swap headaches.

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JohnEMagee reply to Brian on Jan 29 at 13:48
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Sure he can

A. Under the luxury tax for 2011
B. Build around youth and now have cap room to make a play in 2011 FA even if they keep brand
C. The fans (see the votes) hate Iguodala

Giving up your 26-year-old best player and the highest draft pick you've had in a decade doesn't exactly seem like you're too focused on building around youth to me.

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JohnEMagee reply to Brian on Jan 29 at 13:53
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Oh come on - everyone hate Iguodala remember? Dudes a cancer, useless, you saw the poll, 80% wnant him gone

It sure sounds like our Sickers are committed to trading Iguodala.

If they are going to trade Iguodala would you rather:

1. maybe get a late 1st and expiring contract
2. Throw in a protected #1 and get rid of Brand.

I refuse to play this game. There's no pressing need to trade Iguodala. None whatsoever.

It is quite possible Comcast has told Ed he must play the game and make the least worst decision.

By the way, anyone catch the Suns game last night? Amare sat the entire fourth quarter, Gentry chose to go with Amundson for defense. 22 points, 1 rebound for Amare in 26 minutes.

Having Amare overpaid (alongside Brand overpaid) is another one of the horrible things that Stefanski could do to this team in the coming weeks.

there are very few scenarios that are not potentially catastrophic. IMO, best case is new management and no moves until this summer.

Do you guys think Ed S. is on firm enough ground to just trade Iggy for expiring contracts? Or use Iggy just to unload a Brand or Dala contract?
I do not.
As Brian said, he is desperate. I think if a trade happens it HAS to be for players that he can sell as making the team better.

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JohnEMagee reply to Rick on Jan 29 at 13:47
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I think Stefanski has a mandate from comcast to either make the team a winner or cut costs...and the deal for amar'e does that - if he opts out - significantly. It also makes the sixers a possible 'player' in the 2011 free agency market.

I'll say it again, I don't think Comcast gives a real crap about getting better at this moment, they care about fixing the bottom line...their first priority is the 2011 luxury tax, that's the first and primary priority as far as I think

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Rick reply to JohnEMagee on Jan 29 at 13:53
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I hear you on Comcast wanting under the tax. Agree 1000%.

Do you guys think Ed S. is on firm enough ground to just trade Iggy for expiring contracts? Or use Iggy just to unload a Brand or Dala contract?
I do not.
As Brian said, he is desperate. I think if a trade happens it HAS to be for players that he can sell as making the team better.

oops. sorry about the double post.

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JohnEMagee on Jan 29 at 13:48
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If Iguodala gets traded like this AND amar'e opts out

I predict that Allen Iverson will start for the sixers next season

According to EJ he is our Farve and our heart and soul and the only guy with a positive attitude.

Sounds like the cornerstone of our franchise moving backwards... I mean forwards.

I agree that we don't want to deal away our pick. However, if Amare did walk, we could be historically bad next year and get a great pick. So Brand + Iguodala + pick just pushes rebuilding back a year, and in return for pushing things back a year we get way more money to work with.

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JohnEMagee reply to Tray on Jan 29 at 13:52
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Historically bad only gives you a 25% chance at the first pick in the draft - and if they make this trade and brand is still here and amar'e walks and the sixers do nothing because of luxury tax fears - they're going to be pretty bad next year anyway

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Rick reply to JohnEMagee on Jan 29 at 13:56
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If they make the Suns deal, Brand has to be part of it. He can't really play with Amare right?

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JohnEMagee reply to Rick on Jan 29 at 13:57
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Sure he can - it's the eie joran team - just start them together, Amar'e at the 5 (and then you got sam whining about his minutes again I bet).

This isn't about on the court, so it doesn't matter that much - it's about that 18 million expiring :)

Disagree. This is about getting the ideal big for Eddie's system, and a big name that you can sell to the fans (and the fucking clueless owner).

The moron readers of Philly.com would probably throw a parade for Stefanski and I guarantee you Stoudemire's jersey would be all over this fucking city.

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Shawn reply to Brian on Jan 29 at 14:52
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nah philly.com guys are pretty smart. They'd sniff that move out pretty quickly.

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JohnEMagee reply to Shawn on Jan 29 at 14:55
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God I hope that's sarcasm

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Shawn reply to JohnEMagee on Jan 29 at 15:00
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haha yeah. thought it'd be pretty funny that way.

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Tray reply to JohnEMagee on Jan 29 at 14:02
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Only a 25% chance, but you don't need the top pick to get a great player. Indeed, #2 or #3 is often better because the team at the top often feels compelled to draft for size.

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JohnEMagee reply to Tray on Jan 29 at 14:24
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That depends on the quality and depth of the draft, the 2010 draft has some good top 5 players that would help the sixers...it's a bit too early to project ahead and say the same will hold in 2011

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Tray reply to JohnEMagee on Jan 29 at 14:42
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Well let's see. The Bulls got it right in '08 with Rose. Oden was probably not the best pick in '07. Roy (#6) is definitely a better player than Bargnani. Paul, #4, was the best player in the 2005 draft. The best player, Howard, went #1 in '04. LeBron was the best pick in '03 but Wade, a superstar, went #5. 2002 today looks like a toss-up between Amare, #9, and Yao. Gasol, picked third, was the best player in 2001. Joe Johnson, the second best player in that draft, went #10. 2000 was an infamously bad draft, but probably its best player, Jamal Crawford, went #8. In '99, stars went throughout the lottery. In '98, probably the best players were Dirk and Pierce, going #9 and #10 respectively. In '97 Duncan was the best, but McGrady went 9th. I could go on, but I think if you have people who are good at making the picks, as we do, you can almost always get a great player in the top three, and often enough in the top 5-10.

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JohnEMagee reply to Tray on Jan 29 at 14:44
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Well How can i rebuke a cherry picked argument such as this?

"Fans of a team with a top 5 selection have much more reason to be optimistic than those who fall in the 6 – 14 range.

Of the 23 superstars who have been selected in this 20 year range, 16 of them have been selected in the first 5 picks of the draft (70%). Conversely, the top 5 picks in the draft have yielded only 15 bench players or busts. Out of 100 total picks made in the 20 years analyzed, that is a pretty good rate of return for those teams landing in the top 5.

Of the 16 superstars selected, half of them have been selected first overall. Now, this should be good news for Raptors fans this year, but isn’t. Those 8 superstars were all can’t miss prospects. Very few number 1 picks have “surprised” their GM’s and fans by morphing into superstars."

"One of the main reasons for this trend to unearth sleepers later in the draft is fan patience. Expectations for early draft picks (1-5) are so high that many of the younger players wilt under this pressure (see Kwame Brown). Players like Amare Stoudemire and Dirk Nowitzki were allowed to develop without the pressure of being a high pick Teams, players, and coaches are all under intense pressure to have their early picks succeed, and succeed quickly."

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Shawn reply to tk76 on Jan 29 at 15:20
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that was awesome. so my question is. where are the good players?

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Tray reply to tk76 on Jan 29 at 15:43
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So there you go. Top 5 picks are great, #1 picks are on average the best but not much more desirable than other top 5 picks, so the whole "there's only a 25% chance that we'd win the lottery" argument is irrelevant because if we become historically bad, we'll get a top 5 pick. And, in DiLeo, we have a great drafter.

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JohnEMagee reply to Tray on Jan 29 at 15:45
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Out of curiosity, I posted this poll:

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=981486&start=0

Do you prefer Amare or Iguodala/Speights or trading Iguodala for whatever value you can get.

chad ford is the worst

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JohnEMagee reply to Shawn on Jan 29 at 14:30
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Well SAS is the worst but ESPN fired him

I say we have a firesale of management. Stefanski should be gone after screwing this franchise badly with his lack of understanding of how to keep a competive team together. I believe his group, as in stefanskis management, has no idea what fans want to see. it was written in the Philadelphia Inquier that youtube videos for josh smith had gone up since the idea of catering him around Philadelphia had occured. Now, from a publicity standpoint, isnt that what our fans wanted? A young extremely talented power forward that has the ability to become a defensive player of the year canidate year in and out and most of fit the bill with the overly cheesey commercials of "Run with the Sixers" slogan. I guess the idea of accuireing a player thats been on and off the disabled list for most of his career was fully a better idea.....and give him more money....and trade a former 1st rd pick in carney....then trade another fist round pick... I guess we let stefanski do too much when he really needed to do very little. His fan base loves korver but gets rid of him for what reason? to become the worst three point shooting team in the league last year? i dont understand how he trades korver, who is worth the money but rather keep willie green who takes shots like hes the catalyst of this team, but then again its hard to trade a player who isnt worth 2 double cheeseburgers from burger king.he did bring in kapono which did generate a little excitement on my behalf but now all i can feel excited for is his 6 mill thats coming off the books at the end of the season. Which brings me back to the idea of getting josh smith and keeping andre miller. We brought brand in to provide "veteran leadership" but it really became the opposite since the man cant stay healthy, and losign miller obviously let us become a chadoic team that seems to be running pickup games everynite. At the time i was furious we didnt get smith, purely for the idea that i didnt think brand fit our style of offense and that having two veterans in miller and brand on the floor would slow us down, which we were not good at. Stefanski fell for the idea that we needed a half court offense, just like the suns did when they traded for shaq, but in the end it just makes the players who need to be unleashed , chained up. OF course this is all woulda coulda shoulda, when you have a lineup like the sixers have now, on paper this team should be at least .500 but now all we specualte is wether or not we are John Wall worthy, which essentially puts in talks of teams like the nets and wolves who we have lost too. The only move that could save this team right now and let us push for a seemingly worthless playoff spot is firing Eddie jordan and brigning in Byron Scott, or just bring in byron scott and let eddie jordan, as he once was of this man, an understudy... Heres to tanking the rest of the season and hopefully finding buyers for brand and willie green, becasue lets be honest, i havent met one person who has liked either of them. Seriously, keep the rest of the team and get rid of those two for whatever a team is willing to give us wether it be a vitamin water or cheesesteak.

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JohnEMagee reply to KYLE on Jan 29 at 14:56
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The sixers were not going to get Josh Smith

When will this meme die?

I'll blame Stefanski for a lot of things - but the sixers weren't getting Josh Smith

(And andre miller not coming back was a financial decision by Comcast I believe, not Stefanski)

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KYLE reply to JohnEMagee on Jan 29 at 14:59
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If josh smith wasnt going to come here then why did we give him a tour of philadelphia and we didnt resign miller because we thought lou was the answer and we drafted jrue.

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JohnEMagee reply to KYLE on Jan 29 at 15:02
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I'll respectfully disagree with you on both points.

I didn't say Smith didn't want to come here did I? I said that the sixers weren't going to get him, and for the reason why, research 'restricted free agent'.

And if you buy the 'lou williams point guard' kool aid - that's great - but miller wasn't re-signed due to money - cause the sixers made him an offer (one year) and he passed on it.

The 2011 luxury tax is why miller wasn't signed

I'm in a really bad mood, so don't take this personally, but if you're going to write a comment that long, break it up into paragraphs or something. No way I'm getting through all of that.

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JohnEMagee reply to Brian on Jan 29 at 15:00
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He said 'should have gotten josh smith' why do you have to read more?

At this point, I want Iguodala traded, I want him traded to the Cavs or the Mavs, I want the sixers to get squat back and all the fans to do back flips that the sixers are finally free of Iguodala and his terribleness, cause he deserves better than the shit he has to put up with...

You think any other guy leading his team in points asissts and being second in rebounds would take such much grief for what he DOESN"T do - or the small sample size nonsense of the 'clutch' argument?

Nope. Funny thing is, this is the least annoying argument I'm currently having about the Sixers and Iguodala right now.

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JohnEMagee reply to Brian on Jan 29 at 15:03
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I've given up hope - the sixers are going to trade him for spare parts or expiring deals (with big names) - the fans will love it - the sixers will be worse - and Iguodala will be appreciated somewhere else...good for him...

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JohnEMagee reply to Brian on Jan 29 at 15:29
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I just checked your twitter stream, so I see your 'other' one - interesting opponent -

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KYLE reply to Brian on Jan 29 at 15:04
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my fault i rarely do this shit. it pretty much says that we should have j smooth, andre miller, never shouldve gotten brand even if we didnt get smith. trade willie green for a cup of water and never shouldve traded korver.

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JohnEMagee reply to KYLE on Jan 29 at 15:07
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Well if you don't trade Korver, you don't have enough money to offer Josh Smith (or Elton Brand) a substantial contract, so now you're just contradicting yourself.

And it takes two to trade, no one wants willie green so you can't trade him.

And if you didn't get smith or brand, the sixers cap space would have vanished and then you'd be bitching about not signing someone when they had the space.

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KYLE reply to JohnEMagee on Jan 29 at 15:09
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uhhh green and korver were given the same contracts by billy king so think about that one

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JohnEMagee reply to KYLE on Jan 29 at 15:10
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I'm not even sure what that means.

I have a question for you

How many 'last shot's has Danny Granger missed?

the only way id trade iggy is for granger so we can actually have a shooter at the end of games! plus granger is a much better 2 guard than iggy will ever be. Ahh idk trade this whole team away, get rid of jordan and stefanski and let the fans run this team since it seems like we know what we are doing better than the SUITS

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JohnEMagee reply to KYLE on Jan 29 at 15:07
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Oh my god, would you please stop it

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JohnEMagee on Jan 29 at 15:09
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Kurt Warner announces retirement...philadelphias focus now turns from sixers to the fact that DOnovan McNabb and Ken Wizenhunt live near each other

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KYLE reply to JohnEMagee on Jan 29 at 15:14
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im pretty sure im more depressed about the sixers than you and ive been following every little move so i think i have the right to be pissed when anticipated moves arent followed through..
should trade kolb while his stock is high cuz hes def not the answer for next year

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JohnEMagee reply to KYLE on Jan 29 at 15:16
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Whatever you say kid

Let's take a look at what this trade would really amount to if it was Brand, Iguodala, 1st round pick for Amare and Jason Richardson.

As I mentioned when I was first discussing this trade with John on this blog a week ago (pretty cool to see a trade I concocted from scratch actually bandied about, since I usually don't get into trade speculation), the one silver lining in this trade for me would be that Phoenix is the ideal place for Iguodala. If he's going to get traded at all, I'd rather that he gets to play with Nash than go to Houston and struggle to fit in again. Watching Phoenix last night, I've got to think Iguodala-Brand (or even Iguodala-Dalembert) would fit in perfectly with them.

As for the Sixers, if they're going to blow it up, they might as well be entertaining doing it. The potential Thad-Amare-Speights-Iverson-Lou lineup could crack a 120 offensive rating but might be the first to "achieve" a 200 defensive rating.

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JohnEMagee reply to Statman on Jan 29 at 15:17
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If we're thinking about 'best place' for Iguodala, I think Cleveland or Dallas are better, better chances to win a title, better ownership. really strong fan base

Cleveland is the best, because the NBA hype machine would turn Iguodala into Pippen. He would suddenly be the new "most under-appreciated star in the NBA."

Sure, those statements have some truth, but put Iguodala with Lebron and the pendulum of Iguodala attention would swing in the opposite direction.

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JohnEMagee reply to tk76 on Jan 29 at 15:31
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I think i'm to the point with Iguodala that I am with Donovan McNabb - trade them because a large portion of the fans won't appreciate what they can do (and have done) but always look at what they haven't done, maybe when they're gone there will be more appreciation.

I haven't seen a single rumored Iguodala trade that I believe could happen that makes the sixers better on the court

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Statman reply to JohnEMagee on Jan 29 at 15:37
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I think I'm to the point with Iguodala that I am with Donovan McNabb - trade them because a large portion of the fans won't appreciate what they can do (and have done) but always look at what they haven't done, maybe when they're gone there will be more appreciation.

I'm in exactly the same boat, with both Iguodala and McNabb ... though the Eagles are probably in better shape if they trade McNabb.

When I start thinking about where I'd like to see him go I'm admitting defeat. Not there yet.

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JohnEMagee reply to Brian on Jan 29 at 15:42
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I consider it coming to peace with it :)

Good points about title contention and ownership. However, Cleveland and Dallas are among the slowest-paced teams in the league, while Phoenix is one of the fastest. In terms of basketball "fit" there isn't a better place for Iguodala to go.

Cleveland would up its pace with Iguodala. In fact Iguodala would single handedly up their pace with his defense to offense plays.

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JohnEMagee reply to Statman on Jan 29 at 15:36
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I don't think the pace matters that much, I think it's 'load' that is what Iguodala needs to have lessened (or expectations) - he'll get rebounds and assists and play great defense regardless of the pace, maybe he won't score as many points - but he'll be a better fit (with like tk said better appreciation) on teams that are contending for titles because he'll be a key piece

I'm not so sure about the pace argument where Iguodala's concerned. He doesn't cheat to get his transition buckets, he doesn't release early for cheap hoops, he creates the transition opportunities by playing the type of defense that causes opponents to grind out possessions in their own half court. Doesn't necessarily need a fast pace to do that effectively. The Sixers haven't played at a fast pace in the past three years.

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Statman reply to Brian on Jan 29 at 15:54
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I don't disagree that Iguodala would still have an impact on a slower-paced team. I'm saying that his talent would be maximized on a team that runs a lot and has a point guard that [a] can run a fastbreak (unlike Lou) and [b] has a pass-first mindset on the break (unlike Miller).

By the way, I find it interesting that the Sixers are one of the slower-paced teams in the league even though they theoretically run at every opportunity. That says everything about a lack of defense and defensive rebounding ...

Yup. They force a lot of turnovers too.

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JohnEMagee on Jan 29 at 16:04
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I found this an interesting read - it has nothing to do with Iguodala, the sixers, or trades

http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2010/1/29/1283285/the-amare-shift-phoenix-fandom-and

Man Bebops comment about LB makes me sad.

No one wants to play the Bobcats right now. Gerald Wallace and Stephen Jackson are such a wacky pair.

As a basketball fan, I'd love to see Iggy go to Cleveland and run with Bron. He deserves that much at least. Even if Mike Brown is just a figurehead coach. We'd probably see Iggy smile for 10 weeks straight.

Sixers wise, I'd like to blow it all completely up. Let McKie coach, focus on developing Jrue as much as possible and build through the draft. Get rid of the Ed's and just do a reboot. Trade Iggy/Brand/Sammie for as much cap relief and picks as possible.

I'm just super jealous of the Thunder and want the Sixers to be that. Young, well coached, and on the come up. We need get rid of the stink of the previous execs and build a new philosophy here ala the Spurs/Thunder.

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JohnEMagee reply to Mike P on Jan 29 at 20:20
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I'm pretty sure that the cavs and lakers have no compunction about playing and beating the bobcats in a 7 game series.

Bucher said that cleveland is 'out' of the Iguodala running because Portland (new team) Dallas and Phoenix can offer better deals...oh how i like to hear (if bucher is right) multiple teams interested in the Iguodala, pump up that price.

I hate Larry Brown - if he coaches the sixers again - i'll cry

I'd let Satan coach this team right now if he'd actually concentrate on defense.

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JohnEMagee reply to Brian on Jan 29 at 20:25
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Louis Cypher from Angel Heart or Satan from South Park (cause the dude from south park would add some FLAIR)

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Mike P reply to JohnEMagee on Jan 29 at 20:57
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Haha, yeah you are right. Obviously the Brons and Kobesols are better, but the Bobcats are scrappy as hell now and bring it every night.

Multiple teams in the Iggy race is great news. If we are going to get Satan to coach, I want Al Pacino to come in the coach em up. HOOWAH.


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