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It'll be interesting to see how many minutes Iverson plays. If he will be allowed to dictate his minutes or if Jordan just sticks him out there for extended time. Obviously this time off will leave him winded on the court, but his last name doesn't rhyme with "and," so he won't get scrutinized and/or criticized over the matter.

I really want to see Thad at the 3.

I've lost my access to watching recorded Sixers games for the rest of the season. Normally this would really annoy me, but at this point its not that big of a deal.

Maybe league pass has a post all-star special?

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MarkLapinski reply to tk76 on Feb 16 at 16:47
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League Pass broadband is 50 bucks for 7 teams for the rest of the year...I had to resort to it myself...buyers remorse?

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JohnEMagee reply to tk76 on Feb 16 at 16:49
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Maybe league pass has a post all-star special?

It's usually 99 bucks for a half season (yet 169 or a full season, how's them apples) not sure if they ever come down from that

Funny to see the disparity in crowds between tonites game & last nights uconn/nova gm

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ShawnK reply to mike on Feb 16 at 14:34
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Has the game been played already? How do you know what the crowd is going to look like for the 2/16 game that starts at 7pm?

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ShawnK reply to ShawnK on Feb 16 at 14:38
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Anyone that makes a comment about the lack of fans at any Sixers game is the same "fan" that wears a Lakers jersey and comes to one game per season. JRoll said it best our town is full of front runners. We should all be used to it by now.

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JohnEMagee reply to ShawnK on Feb 16 at 14:41
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Nonsense

The team is mired in mediocrity going nowhere, the fans have no motivation to show up in this economy

- Can't figure out the lineup for AI3, Lou, and Willie on the floor at the same time for the life of me even if the other team goes "small." Even in college basketball this lineup wouldn't make sense because none of these guys is a good 3-pt shooter.

- What the hell is happening with Spreights? Before the injury, he was getting major minutes. He probably shouldn't be 20-25 minutes a night but lately he can't even get on the floor and Jason Smith (who has been all around terrible this year) has been taking minutes from him.

For supposedly being a key part of the Sixers future, it is odd how he is getting roughly about 8 minutes the past month. Being treated more like a 10-11th man off the bench.

Speights is untouchable according to Stefanski.

I guess they want to hide him from prying eyes :)

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Tom Moore on Feb 16 at 10:27
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Perhaps Speights lack of "D" led to Jordan limiting his minutes as Brand played better and then Smith gave some quality, hustle minutes off the bench.

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JohnEMagee reply to Tom Moore on Feb 16 at 10:51
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Because Eie Joran has cared so much about defense this year that that makes sense?


absolutely right Tom. Unfortunately, the GM had to step in and convince this coach that Defense does matter.

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JohnEMagee on Feb 16 at 10:57
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Let's go 8 seed and first round ass whipping by the cavs so I can be told how valuable that experience is (again) and how the team is moving forward (again) and how they don't need anything to seriously contend (again) just another year together.

Woo Hoo, sell me the same old crap

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JohnEMagee on Feb 16 at 11:36
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Is that the Cooney piece? God, what a way to start your work week. I couldn't even comment about it.

"Jordan: Sixers can be 'perennial playoff contender'"

Great, they can every year "contend" to get the 8th seed. Sounds exciting!

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sfw reply to tk76 on Feb 16 at 12:04
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And lose in the first round!

I love that he thinks they can build to that, when that's where they were before he fucked things up. Harmony and effort.

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JohnEMagee reply to Brian on Feb 16 at 12:06
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After reading the exceprts on hoopshype i couldn't be bothered to do more than paste the link - but i'm guessing joran didn't give multiple interviews?

Huh?

"We might not make a lot of threes. We may not be as physically tough at times. We may not play veteran-like basketball. We might not make great plays, but we play hard. We have great intention. We believe in effort and harmony. They're coachable. We've seen development, we've seen progress, we've seen improvement. I understand the negative part of all this. I understand it's part of what sports is. Sometimes that's what's good about sports. People have opinions and ways that they talk about things. The nuts and bolts of it is does your team have good body language? Do they try? Do you see camaraderie? And we see all of that."

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JohnEMagee reply to tk76 on Feb 16 at 12:15
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I think my most favoritest part of our coach this year is that when he opens his mouth he makes absolutely no sense, but he must think he does.

"Cavs fans ought to watch Knicks-Hou talks," wrote Windhorst. "If NYK clears that cap space, they reach goal of having 2 max contract slots. Gamechanger."

So in addition to Lebron who should the Knicks go after?

Lebron + Wade?
Lebron+ Bosh or Amare
or Lebron + 2 non-max players?

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JohnEMagee reply to tk76 on Feb 16 at 13:06
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The kincks are going to max out joe johnson and david lee and that's going to be awesome

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MarkLapinski reply to JohnEMagee on Feb 16 at 17:02
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I agree, no one I think will want to become a Knick. I'm not even sure Johnson will want to leave a winning team like Atlanta.

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JohnEMagee reply to MarkLapinski on Feb 16 at 17:03
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I'm not even sure Johnson will want to leave a winning team like Atlanta.

Joe Johnson will most likely sign with the team that offers him the most money - he's not really a max player - but if New York misses out on their 'targets' they may over pay his value and the Hawks won't offer that much.

They should go after LeBron and Bosh, I suppose. I think they wind up with Bosh and Joe Johnson probably for too much money.

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JohnEMagee on Feb 16 at 13:17
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Is Philly going to end up holding on the Iguodala?
Chad Ford (1:11 PM)
Sounds like it. Phoenix and Houston have both been trying hard to get him, but the Sixers have been pretty unresponsive. Not sure what Ed Stefanski's plan is. Not a lot of GMs want to stand pat with a high priced lottery team.

I read a rumor where the Sixers were a part of a 3 team deal to get Amare to Miami. We would basically be getting Beasley and cap relief for Iggy and Sammy and we turned it down??? How is Stefanski not jumping at this? We get a young building block and cap relief for 2 guys that are WAY overpaid. Seems like a no brainer.
Chad Ford (1:12 PM)
I don't understand it either. Great deal for Philly and gives Phoenix want they want the most -- Iguodala.

They "simply" need to find a 4th team that wants Beasley and will give the sixers a high pick or prospect in return....

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JohnEMagee reply to tk76 on Feb 16 at 13:24
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Of just obtain beasley and trade him in the off season?

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tk76 reply to JohnEMagee on Feb 16 at 13:38
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who are you that you are so wise in the ways of trading?

Beasley isn't cheap, and he isn't particularly good.

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JohnEMagee reply to Brian on Feb 16 at 13:48
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If you don't find a taker you just let him walk...i'm fine with that personally...I know he's not very good, but maybe he can put up some numbers in Jorans 'system' that baffles someone - if not you just let him go...

If you're trading them for nothing, I'd rather it actually be nothing than Beasley at that price. I also don't think they'd have the balls to just release a guy scoring 20ppg (which he would, most likely, in a team-killing manner) instead of picking up a $6M+ option and $8M+ qualifying offer.

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JohnEMagee reply to Brian on Feb 16 at 14:06
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If you're looking to avoid the luxury tax sure you do - or trade him to a team with some cap space and give em a 2nd round pick

In this NBA, trading 6 million dollars is easier than the contracts (Dalembert/brand) they're trying to get rid of now.

As it seems the motivation is to get under the 2011 luxury tax - and maybe they think there are other ways to do that - but the longer it takes - the owrse the deals will be because they'll be at the point where they HAVE to trade

Well, they already have a $6M and $4M contract they can move to get under, if need be.

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JohnEMagee reply to Brian on Feb 16 at 14:15
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Michael Beasley has more trade value than Louis WIlliams due to his 'upside' in my opinion.

Willie Green has zero on the court value but at least expires next year

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AaronMcKie4MVP on Feb 16 at 15:10
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hi, Brian

im curious about this Camby deal that went down today. Can you explain to me what the Clippers get from this deal besides the $1.5mm in cash? they traded Camby for Steve Blake and Travis Outlaw and $1.5mm..... All of these guys are free agents. Portland gets a valuable player down the stretch. Outlaw may be a good player but 1) he is injured and 2) he is a free agent at the end of the season. so they dont really get any benefit.

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JohnEMagee reply to AaronMcKie4MVP on Feb 16 at 15:20
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They have to pay less money to the two players than they have to pay camby the rest of the season AND Portland is sending along cash - if the deal gets completed.

Why does it need to be more complicated than that.

The clippers have decided they aren't making the playoffs, so they're trying to save money this year and going forward - to maximize profits.

It's pretty simple actually

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AaronMcKie4MVP reply to JohnEMagee on Feb 16 at 15:27
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I dont think the amount of money is meaningful enough to base a personel decision

i just read something that the Clippers get Travis Outlaw's bird rights. so i guess if they go over the cap somehow, this has some value

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JohnEMagee reply to AaronMcKie4MVP on Feb 16 at 15:27
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4.5 million dollars is 4.5 million dollars

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AaronMcKie4MVP reply to JohnEMagee on Feb 16 at 17:02
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just for accuracy purpose...

the difference in ANNUAL base salaries is only $50k(camby $7.65, blake $4mm, outlaw $3.6mm). so for the remaining 1/2 of the season, the Clips save only $25k in payroll. But they also save the ENTIRE $2mm in incentives that Camby will earn (has essentially already earned) by the end of the season. throw in the $1.5mm in cash and the total savings is $3.525mm.

I don't know where the $4.5mm is comning from but I think its wrong. I keep seeing different salary numbers for Camby but his base is $7.65... he is going to earn another $2mm in incentives.

I'm seeing his number at $9.1M with a possible $1.25M in incentives here. Where did you get your numbers?

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AaronMcKie4MVP reply to Brian on Feb 16 at 17:21
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i used the salary from this site...

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/la_clippers.htm

but only after seeing it mentioned in this article (and a few others). a few paragraphs in they say the $9.15mm is the cap number but $7.65mm is the base salary

http://nba.fanhouse.com/2009/12/28/can-clippers-afford-to-let-camby-go-time-will-tell/


OK, so if the number including the bonus (incentives) is $9.1M, that's the number Portland's on the hook for. It's the team that he ends the season with that pays incentives/bonuses. $4.5M is the number saved, $1.5M dif in salaries and $3M in cash from POR to LAC.

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JohnEMagee reply to AaronMcKie4MVP on Feb 16 at 17:16
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. throw in the $1.5mm in cash and the total savings is $3.525mm.
Fine

3.525 million dollars is 3.525 million dollars

Why is anyone shocked Donald Sterling makes a move purely to save 3.525 million dollars?

The Clippers got $4.5M in cold hard cash, that's it. $1.5M difference in the salaries plus $3M in money sent from Portland to LAC. It doesn't clear any more cap space for them next season, since all the contracts involved were expiring anyway.

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AaronMcKie4MVP reply to Brian on Feb 16 at 15:28
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ok, i see. the total savings is $4.5. that makes sense

Bill Simmons has great trade value articles(2). Good reading. EBRAND 2nd worst contract in NBA.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/100208/one

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The Greek on Feb 16 at 16:12
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This league has gone to shit, teams are getting giddy over getting 4.5 million dollars. You need an accountant or a trade machine to work out a deal and still David Stern gets recognized as the best commish in all sports. How is that possible? His product sucks, the whole system is flawed but everyone still loves pouring the jesus juice on Stern.

The salary cap in my opionion has ruined the sport, there better off getting rid of it and doing as baseball does.

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JohnEMagee reply to The Greek on Feb 16 at 16:15
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This isn't unique to basketball, it's in baseball, it's in football, sports owners aren't in this (mostly) to lose their shirts.

People getting upset over DOnald Sterling making a trade to save 4.5 million dollars or somehow think this is an indication that basketball is now broken haven't been paying attention for years.

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The Greek reply to JohnEMagee on Feb 16 at 16:27
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Mggee, basketball has been broken for a very long time. I just wonder why David Stern has not been attacked throught he media for this.

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The Greek reply to JohnEMagee on Feb 16 at 16:31
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Mggee, basketball has been broken for a very long time. I just wonder why David Stern has not been attacked throught he media for this.

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MarkLapinski reply to The Greek on Feb 16 at 17:19
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Because most of the media is drinking at the same trough as the NBA. The media is not going to go in all attack mode because they will be denied access to the NBA teams and press conferences.

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JohnEMagee reply to The Greek on Feb 16 at 17:55
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RIght after Bud Selig gets attacked more for how badly baseball is broken.

Journalists these days are worried about access...if you go full bore after Stern watch how quickly you have no access

Simmons lists Lou Williams as the #5 most appealing non-rookie, non-one-year deal in the league. Jesus, I hope some stupid GM out there reads his column and makes us an offer. Something like this would be ideal.

Gets us under the luxury tax next season (thomas' expiring), then we get Nocioni off the books the following summer along with Green and Kapono. Moves our cap number down to $46M for 2011.

Plus, if you want to tank, try playing Speights starter's minutes at either PF or C in the shape he's in right now.

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JohnEMagee reply to Brian on Feb 16 at 16:22
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Lou Williams, the more affordable ben gordon :)

This season excepted, I think gordon's worth twice as much as Lou. At least to the Sixers he would be.

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JohnEMagee reply to Brian on Feb 16 at 16:31
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Isn't he paid twice as much as lou as well :)

Yep, and I'd trade Willie and Lou for him yesterday right now, to be honest. I'd shitcan Jordan and see what a real coach can do with

Jrue
Gordon
Iguodala
Brand
Dalembert

at the cost of maybe $5M more/year than you've already committed to Lou.

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JohnEMagee reply to Brian on Feb 16 at 16:45
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So - you're ok with some over paid players then?

The more, the merrier, at this point.

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JohnEMagee reply to Brian on Feb 16 at 16:51
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I have ths sneaking suspicion that whatever blackmail Willie Green has goes as high as ownership - 3 different coaches - all give him too many minutes.

I expect Willie will get a contract extension when this one expires...

:)

Why wait? Lock him down now.

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AaronMcKie4MVP reply to JohnEMagee on Feb 16 at 16:34
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cmon, McGee. Gordon is closer to in talent to Iguodala than he is to Lou Williams. how many buzzer beaters has that guy hit already in his career ? definitely worth somnething. i hope someday the sixers have a guy capable of winning a game with one stroke of a limp wrist.

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The Greek reply to AaronMcKie4MVP on Feb 16 at 16:37
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Lou Williams is one dimensional and is overpaid, comparing him to Ben Gordon is an insult to the Gordon family.

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JohnEMagee reply to AaronMcKie4MVP on Feb 16 at 16:44
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He's a nice bench buy that people wanted to pay to be a starter, the pistons regret over paying him and 'buzzer beaters' could be the most tiresome and ridiculous small sample size to evaluate a player.

I'm not sure who this McGee fella is you're talking to, but i said lou williams is a more affordable ben gordon - he scores but he doesn't start...

Does Ben Gordon do much more than score?

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AaronMcKie4MVP reply to JohnEMagee on Feb 16 at 17:04
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i like guys that hit big shots. not saying he is a superstar, but cmon. he is certainly a starter in the NBA

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JohnEMagee reply to AaronMcKie4MVP on Feb 16 at 17:09
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You like guys who hit big shots - so you don't care how many they miss - only what they make?

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AaronMcKie4MVP reply to JohnEMagee on Feb 16 at 17:15
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maybe i value Gordon because we havent had a real freakin shooter any time this decade. And I miss it.

I suspect the Pistons regret overpaying him becuause they have 18 wins! Certainly as Sixer fans we can understand that type of regret. I don't want to pay anyone big money for results like these ! at the end of the day, a crappy team means everyone is overpaid

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MarkLapinski reply to AaronMcKie4MVP on Feb 16 at 17:28
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Ben Gordon can get you 20+ in a quarter, 30+ in a half, 40+ in a game. No one on our roster now can do that.

He can also cost you 20+ in a quarter, 30+ in a half and 40+ in a game, like he cost the Bulls in the playoffs last year. Unfortunately, we do have other guys on the roster capable of that.

That being said, his particular skillset would fit nicely between Jrue and Iguodala, assuming this season's shooting numbers are an anomaly. Of current guys who you'd think teams would move, Gordon and Kevin Martin are the two I'd look to add if I was Stefanski and still committed to winning with this current roster, salaries be damned.

I like Simmons' work, but yeah, I found the love for lou strangely unwarrented.

P.S. WHY IS DWADE SO SAD? :(:(:(:(

In the picture? Because he just dislocated his shoulder.

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Shawn reply to Brian on Feb 16 at 16:27
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Yeah but wade's awesome, and this picture is sad.

let's trade brand's expiring contract in 2014, willie green and a bag of basketballs (jason smith) for wade.

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The Greek on Feb 16 at 16:39
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I would love for the Sixers to deal Lou Williams by thursday for salary cap relief and a game signed Roy Hinson Jersey.


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