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Sixers Trade For Jodie Meeks

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JohnEMagee on Feb 18 at 13:05
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No 2nd round draft pick last year, no second round draft pick this year?

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marklapinski reply to JohnEMagee on Feb 18 at 13:08
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better than no firsts....but our 2nd would have been good this season...

Who needs 'em when you can get Jodie Meeks.

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JohnEMagee on Feb 18 at 13:10
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As phillies fans on the good blogs like to say when a meaningless move is made

The cup, she is ours

Don't the sixers have way bigger priorities than Jodie Meeks?

They're looking for a guy to learn under Willie Green, seems like he's cut from the same cloth.

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JohnEMagee reply to Brian on Feb 18 at 13:17
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Gee...just kick a man, in the kidenys as he bleeds out from his eyes why don't you.

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steve reply to Brian on Feb 18 at 13:18
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He's a way better shooter and pure scorer than willie but about the same as a defender. Since Jordan has a thing for playing new guys/guys in their home towns/playing former teams how many minutes does he get his first game? 30?35?

You're basing the way better shooter thing on his junior year of college only, right? he didn't shoot well in his frosh or soph years, and he's shot horribly this season. Also doesn't board or make plays for others, but he did have a Ast/TO ratio of less than 1 in college, so that's good.

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steve reply to Brian on Feb 18 at 13:34
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I'm not saying he's reggie miller but he is a good shooter he hasn't proved it this year but he also hasn't gotten minutes either. It's an irrelevant trade and we have three guys already that can do what he can do but the kid can flat out score hopefully he proves it while he's here.

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JohnEMagee reply to steve on Feb 18 at 13:38
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He had 2 bad shooting years in college compared to one good one

and one bad shooting year so far in the nba

that's not encouraging

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steve reply to JohnEMagee on Feb 18 at 13:47
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2009-10 outlook: Meeks is a brilliant shooter, possibly the best in the draft. He hit 40.6 percent of his 3s as a collegian last year, and he took a ton of them, averaging 23.7 points per game for Kentucky. He's fast, too, but his lack of size (at 6-4, 211) and athleticism make him a question mark at the defensive end. Additionally, he's a poor ball handler who committed 1.5 turnovers for every assist in college. The Bucks will spot him minutes as a zone-buster and see whether his shooting can compensate for the expected troubles in the other areas.

Hollingers outlook on meeks

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JohnEMagee reply to steve on Feb 18 at 13:48
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Yeah, and?

A. I'm not sure how much I give hollingers player analysis skills relevance
B. That's a projection - meeks has played this season - and his numbers are bad

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theo reply to JohnEMagee on Feb 18 at 17:22
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Meeks had 288 3 pt attempts last year.........about 40 the year before, his soph year......see a difference? which year do you think is a more accurate representation of his perimeter skills........hmmmm. He's probably our best shooter.

Well, it's doubtful that he's going to be our best shooter while Kapono is on the roster. I do hope that he's more useful than Kapono, though.

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JohnEMagee reply to Max on Feb 18 at 13:15
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Yes, but all reports seem to indicate they won't be dealt with - this move indicates to me that this was something they could do - milwaukee obtained salmons - could move meeks - and ed wanted him - the major piece really is the 2nd round pick...the bucks get another one that should be in the top 10 of the second round this off season (if it's this year)

The sixers 'big problems' were done being dealt with (or ignored) so now they could make this insignificant move with 3 hours to go

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The Greek on Feb 18 at 13:17
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Being that dickhead Stefanski worked so long and hard on this trade today, are the sixers now done dealing?

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JohnEMagee reply to The Greek on Feb 18 at 13:18
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It's pina colada time

If this is the type of shit he has up his sleeve, I certainly hope so.

Like I said in the previous thread, if you want this type of player you might as well call up Morris Almond, the D-League's leading scorer and a great shooter. You wouldn't have to pay him for two years and you wouldn't have to trade a pick. To quote D-League Digest:

he swingman from Rice has lit up nets around the D-League since joining the Springfield Armor this season. His jump shot looks beautiful both inside and outside the arc (and he shoots better than 40 percent from three). He is a fearless slasher not shy about throwing down in traffic or finishing an acrobatic lay-up with contact. It’s no shock that Almond is the only guy in the league getting to the foul line more than 10 times per game. He can go to the post when opponents make the mistake of asking a smaller off-guard to cover him. Getting opponents off the ground with a shot-fake from mid-range is no problem either.

Even while facing more double-teams than ever before, Almond leads the league at 28.2 points per game on 64.1 percent true shooting while turning the ball over less than three times per game. When he has the ball in his hands, he is a terror in this league.

Ugh, this is just pissing me off. I'm going to lunch, post any rumors on this thread.

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JohnEMagee reply to Brian on Feb 18 at 13:24
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Marc Stein just reported that three-way deal with Knicks is done -- TMac to Knicks, Hughes to Sac, Jeffries to Hou with 2012 first and right to swap in 2011. Landry, Dorsey to Sac, Martin to Hou, no word on Sergio. Looks like Hill stays in NY.

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JohnEMagee on Feb 18 at 13:21
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"high on him" on draft night or not - dudes a second round player - he's insignificant in the grand scheme and so low on the list of things to care about for the sixers - this is just stupid

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JohnEMagee on Feb 18 at 13:24
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HOllinger

Ivey deal was pretty minor -- it's basically Meeks for a No. 2, with idea being that Mil needed to clear out a shooting guard and get a No. 3 point guard. No impact at all on Ridnour as far as I can tell.

To sum up Meeks, he scored pretty efficiently in his last season at Kentucky, good shooting percentages across the board. His first two seasons he didn't shoot well at all. He doesn't rebound, and he doesn't hand out assists.

He's Willie Green reincarnate, but possibly less talented.

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JohnEMagee reply to Brian on Feb 18 at 13:28
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He's Willie Green reincarnate, but possibly less talented.

And Stefanski was 'high' on him on draft night, still high enough to trade a 2nd rounder that could be in the 'top 10' of the second round this year (hey, small victories)

So that's another check mark for Stef huh - he's awesome

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MG77 reply to JohnEMagee on Feb 18 at 13:33
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Really going to rip Stefanski for this trade? It was a nothing for nothing deal. If anything, the Sixers made it to save a couple of bucks this year. That's all.

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JohnEMagee reply to MG77 on Feb 18 at 13:36
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If he was 'high' on the ability of Meeks - yes I'm going to rip stefanski because now i know he can't evaluate talent either.

Meeks adds absolutely NOTHING to the roster except a guy Joran can use as an excuse to play holiday less...he doesn't play defense, he's perfect for Eie Joran

Think about that for a minute - even a minor move - the move made obtains a guy perfect for Joran - this from the GM who said just a week or two ago that DEFENSE is his #1 priority.

It's a symptom, it's evidence, you don't ignore evidence or a symptom no matter how small, cause if you do, you don't notice until the cancer has metastasized and you've got nothing left to do but count days until you die.

In terms of players - yes it's a bullshit useless stupid trade - that didnt' even have to be made - but int he grand scheme - it's just another reason to think Stefasnki is a clueless putz

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jsmoove reply to JohnEMagee on Feb 18 at 14:34
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"...he doesn't play defense"

But I thought you didn't even know who the guy was or even heard of him?

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JohnEMagee reply to jsmoove on Feb 18 at 14:35
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That was like 2 hours ago - if only there were some easily accessible repository of information for one to look up things in a quick manner.

Any ideas?

If you're talking about defensive evaluation, I don't think any of them are flawless (or better than actual scouting), particularly for young wing players.

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terryerr on Feb 18 at 13:30
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If they get rid of Green and Kapono I will call it a success

What does this trade mean? - Absolutely nothing. Meeks is making league minimum and that is essentially is value. Don't get stuck paying a veteran like Ivey 2x-3x the amount to essentially be a warm body on the bench.

Maybe the Sixers could have gotten something better in the 2nd round this year if they tank but that was a pretty crappy pick too.

I am kind of sad to see Belzec go. It was semi-amusing to see how animated he would get on the sideline when taking off his warmups before going in.

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JohnEMagee reply to MG77 on Feb 18 at 13:32
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Except they weren't paying Ivey past this year
they are paying meeks

and this gives the coach another useless scorer to play in front or Jrue

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MG77 reply to JohnEMagee on Feb 18 at 13:38
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Your serious? It is league minimum both years. Could the Sixers possibly get a better 11th-12th man sure? I guess but I can't believe you really are harping about that point.

Maybe you care about the 2nd round pick if the Sixers end up with one of the worst 6th-7th records but my bet is they win 34-35 games and end up with the 10th/11th worst record in the league.

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JohnEMagee reply to MG77 on Feb 18 at 13:41
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I'm not sure what my serious has to do with anything.

Miscellaneous deals are paid mostly by the league -so I'm not sure your argument holds tons of water.

You're talking about a franchise whose primary concern is not basketball but the 2011 luxury tax and avoiding it at all costs.

You want to think this is not a big deal, that's great, but it's not that it's not a big deal by itself - it's that it's part of a bigger problem and a bigger issue.

You're welcome to your opinion and everything, but my problems with this are broader than just the move itself, but the fact that it's evidence that the GM is not only a moron with existing talent, but can't evaluate other talent...and it's another volume shooter who misses a lot and does very little else.

Could you tell me why the sixers need another volume shooter who misses a lot and does little else when they already have willie green and louis williams.

It's an asinine move - regardless of the size - because Meeks brings NOTHING the sixers need

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MG77 reply to JohnEMagee on Feb 18 at 13:50
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Your like a frothing, rabid dog. Like obsessing over a leaky faucet when the water heater just burst. Don't know much about Meeks but he is likely a guy who is going to play 6-7 minutes (along with a fair amount of DNP) a night. If you really think he is going to have an impact one way or other, I am kind of surprised.

The only way this deal hurts the Sixers is if they completely go into the tank and that is a higher 2nd round draft pick.

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JohnEMagee reply to MG77 on Feb 18 at 13:53
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Well, no, actually I said it was an irrelevant trade, what I said was it was a symptom, evidence of a bigger problem...your interpretation (see how you use the word?) is whatever you want it to be - but I explicitly stated why I had a problem with it - and you ignored it.

So why not just stop commenting when I've explained why I have an issue with it and you ignore those reasons to continue your (see there it is again) commentary on my personage.

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Shawn reply to MG77 on Feb 18 at 13:37
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You're right. Brezec was a top 10 reason to go to a sixers game

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MylesKong on Feb 18 at 13:40
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I thought we were getting the pick...?

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JohnEMagee reply to MylesKong on Feb 18 at 13:42
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Ford was wrong about that - or just typed it in an ambiguous way

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MylesKong reply to JohnEMagee on Feb 18 at 13:52
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That's how Fagan reported it.

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JohnEMagee reply to MylesKong on Feb 18 at 13:54
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Hollinger and ESPN said the pick was going to milwuakee and so did brians favorite non source.

It makes sense if it goes to milwaukee - it doesn't make sense if it comes to philadlephia - the sixers aren't doing the bucks any 'favors' (unless you consider royal ivery a favor ;) - so why would the bucks give up a second round pick?

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MylesKong reply to JohnEMagee on Feb 18 at 14:07
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Maybe because they get two expiring contracts. That's my best guess.

Ivey has more value on the court than Meeks. More experience and probably more of a Scott Skiles type of player with the toughness he brings. Plus, he's been solid from beyond the arc this season. He played decently when he started for them during his first stint in Milwaukee. Meeks is unproven.

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JohnEMagee on Feb 18 at 13:44
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For Brian - from his favorite guy


we actually adding a little salary for nextyear with that deal..me thinks we are trying to get one more done today..but not a big one.

So he's now 0 for 12 in having any clue that a move was coming since stefanski took over?

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JohnEMagee reply to Brian on Feb 18 at 14:15
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I have no fracking idea - I know even if he was right about anything you wouldn't care about it

Hey, this guy shot the lights out his final year at Kentucky, he had at least three 40 point games and one of 54....he's got a lightning quick release and has improved dramatically over the last two years...he had no chance at minutes in Milwaukee, who is already playing one rookie at guard for 40 minutes a night, and is young and cheap....we got him for NOTHING......He replaces Ivey who couldn't really dribble or shoot or pass at all, at shouldnt really take Drew's minutes as he is a scorer and a pure 2......he shoots off the dribble and maybe is the ONLY guard we have who can shoot.....give Stefanski a break.........

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JohnEMagee reply to theo on Feb 18 at 14:00
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So his first two years in college and his performance this year in the NBA - we should ignore those cause he had one good year and a few good games?

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steve reply to JohnEMagee on Feb 18 at 14:06
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It was a great year in college you can't ignore 24 points a game in the sec with more than one 40 point game. Ivey is worthless and the 2nd round pick might not even be this years. Give the kid a chance before saying it's a bad deal.

Couple of questions. Let me know whether you agree/disagree.

- Do you agree that the most recent collegiate season carries more weight than older collegiate season's?
- Do you agree that a season with a sample size of 288 three point attempts carries more weight than a season with 38 (his sophomore season)?
- Do you agree that 19 and 20 year olds can improve their shot?
- Do you agree that the NBA three point range is longer and can take some time to adjust/expand range?

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theo reply to JohnEMagee on Feb 18 at 14:09
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Yes, John, the first two years are of less import than his final year...it's called IMPROVEMENT......I don't really care how he did in HS or AAU either. Do you?

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JohnEMagee reply to theo on Feb 18 at 14:16
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Well at this point - what I care about is his NBA work...

He's shooting 40% from midrange so far this year. He didn't forget how to shoot. He just hasn't extended his range to nba 3 pt line yet. I think he can.

I'm curious if DiLeo had any say in this trade. I'm only asking this because I respect his ability to evaluate players.

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The Greek on Feb 18 at 14:04
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Meeks is the only true SG that we have on our roster so I am willing to give the kid a chance.

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JohnEMagee reply to The Greek on Feb 18 at 14:06
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That's not really a compliment to Meeks and more of a commentary on the crappy assortment of 2 guards the sixers have.

And it's not like Joran will play him in front of lou or iverson or even willie all that much

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AaronMcKie4MVP reply to JohnEMagee on Feb 18 at 15:32
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meeks could be our best 2guard since jeff malone

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johnrosz on Feb 18 at 14:05
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I don't think im gonna watch any more games this season

Those of you who want to dump Dala and Sammy are also nuts.......Name another player who can dominate a game without scoring 10 points like Iggy can, just fill the scorebook with assists, steals, rebounds, and lock down D on the other teams best scorer........and name ONE other center who NEVER needs help on D no matter who he is guarding.......he covers Shaq or Howard or Duncan without help every night.....it's a great luxury........our problem is a buffoon for a coach and and a GM who has much toooo close a relationship with said buffoon......

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JohnEMagee reply to theo on Feb 18 at 14:11
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I think you're completely and totally off base.

Even with the best coach for this roster - I see this roster as a 7/8 seed hovering around 500 AT BEST and maybe getting lucky in the first round of the playoffs.

Sam expires next year and comcast wnats out from under the luxury tax
Brand is too old to fit with the rest of the roster....when the rest of the guys start to peak he'll probably be well into the down side of his career.
The luxury tax makes it almost impossible to add significant pieces in the off season to plug holes in the starting line up (like the 2 guard position) or the fact that the bench players don't really like to play defense in general.

The sixers are going nowhere as currently constructed and have no easy way to get out from under the hole they dug - the wizards GM realized it - the sixers GM has not

That's how I see it

Other than that things up looking up... no?

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JohnEMagee reply to tk76 on Feb 18 at 14:28
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Well at some point the sixers will hit bottom.

I'm not sure when but i have a feeling it is still going to get worse before it gets better.

But we've got jodie meeks - and he had one good year of college, so that's good

Based on Jodie's performance last year at Kentucky, I believe he will have a similar career to pistol pete maravich

The Meeks Will inherit the earth.
I quit!

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JohnEMagee on Feb 18 at 14:24
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The sixers now only have one actual point guard on their roster?

Oh - um....ok

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JohnEMagee on Feb 18 at 14:32
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Tyrus Thomas value was Acie Law and Flip Murray?

Guess I'm just grumpy today. Obviously not a big deal (literally and figuratively), but sort of bummed that they gave away a high 2nd round pick. Those have more value than late 1st's, and I think they have been a little bit burned in the past- esp when they could not trade to get De'Andre Jordan, who we could be grooming to replace Sam.

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JohnEMagee reply to tk76 on Feb 18 at 14:37
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Do we know the year of the 2nd round pick yet? I mean it doesn't matter, cause Meeks potential is just better than anyone else the sixers could have drafted in the second round right...i mean, he's the fourth SG on a team paying lou williams and willie green, why not add another one

Meeks will provide an interesting test. We should finally find out if Eddie Jordan hates Jrue because he's a rookie, or if he hates him because he's a defender.

If Meeks suddenly starts seeing a decent number of minutes, I think we can throw out the "Jordan hates rookies," and feel comfortable in saying he strictly favors guys who are willing to take 20 footers early in the shot clock.

23.7 pts
46% FG%
41% 3pts
90% FT (6 made/game)
3.4 reb
1.6 asst
1.3 st

versus

17.0 pts
47% FG%
35% 3 pts
79% FT (5 made/game)
43.1 reb
6.5 asst
1.9 st

-------------------- Clearly Meeks >>>>> Wall :)

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Tom Moore on Feb 18 at 14:49
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Checking into reports that Sixers trying to deal Kapono for an expiring to clear out $6.6 million next year. Would probably have to send a pick along, too, if they can find a taker.

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JohnEMagee reply to Tom Moore on Feb 18 at 14:51
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That's just awesome

Do we even have a pick to give away? How about our #1 :)

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JohnEMagee reply to tk76 on Feb 18 at 14:54
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I assume it is a #1 - maybe not this year - but 2011 - with some sort of lottery / top 20 protection...

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Tom Moore reply to JohnEMagee on Feb 18 at 15:00
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Would think so.

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JohnEMagee reply to Tom Moore on Feb 18 at 15:01
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That's just awesome

Really - I'm psyched to have such a forward thinking organization run by such a basketball mind as stefanski.

Thank god he traded for Kapono right - he's been really useful - i mean i don't miss reggie evans - and yeah he's crap - but at this point seeing someon TRY on defense is better than what speights brings defensively

Chad Ford on Twitter:

Latest: Hearing one team is making a last minute push for Amare. Suns source says a deal "may" happen. Link coming.

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JohnEMagee reply to Brian on Feb 18 at 14:58
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2 minutes

I'm betting it's not the sixers :)

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JohnEMagee reply to Brian on Feb 18 at 15:06
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Latest: Amare is staying in Phoenix. Last minute bid failed. Sarver, Kerr, Stoudemire & agent meeting for dinner tonight to calm waters.

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johnrosz on Feb 18 at 15:08
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Ford is a joke, anyone could have made a general statement like that and then taken it back

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johnrosz on Feb 18 at 15:11
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Hope the Fire Eddie chant is in full force tomorrow night.

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JohnEMagee reply to johnrosz on Feb 18 at 15:14
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If you show up - comcast gets your money

All those 'fire eddie' folk would be better off staying home - says more to the sixers

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johnrosz reply to JohnEMagee on Feb 18 at 15:18
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If the tickets were free for the remainder of the season i still wouldn't go

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MylesKong reply to JohnEMagee on Feb 18 at 15:27
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One person go. When they have that question that you have to text answer notify us and we'll all text Fire Jordan.

Speaking of tickets, get this. I tried to get a group package for the Sixers/Bulls on 3/20, same seats as the last field trip, group of 20-30 tickets. I was informed that the Sixers vs. Bulls is a "premium" game, so the tickets weren't going to be $30 each, like the first field trip, but $91 each this time. Needless to say, that ended the conversation.

They sent me another email about a month later offering $30 seats in some other section, but at this point I'm not even sure if I could get relatives to go with me to see a game.

Also, I owe a few of you guys tix for a game (the new year's eve contest). Send me an email (click contact above) to pick which game you want.

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JohnEMagee reply to Brian on Feb 18 at 15:23
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Do they not know jordan retired?

Derrick Rose is premium huh?

At the time, both teams were below .500. I laughed at the guy when he used the word premium.

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JohnEMagee reply to Brian on Feb 18 at 15:25
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At least pitchers and catchers are starting to report and we can look forward to a probably world series rematch

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johnrosz on Feb 18 at 15:25
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Although unlikely, i guess there's still a chance the sixers made a small deal and we'll hear about it within the next hour or two. I would consider it a successful day if any one of Lou Williams,Green, or Kapono are gone

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JohnEMagee reply to johnrosz on Feb 18 at 15:29
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If a first round pick goes with them is it still successful?

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johnrosz reply to JohnEMagee on Feb 18 at 15:31
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Even Ed isn't that stupid

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johnrosz on Feb 18 at 15:37
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On a side note, if everyone one enjoys that "sixers insider" and his "information", great,but i hope from now on people will take it with a grain of salt. The guy has had nothing to contribute that wasn't either reported elsewhere or a common sense scenario

I don't know how to react to this.

Maybe we are going to deal Thaddeus this offseason so Meeks can be our starting 2.

Get rid of Lou as well. Have Jrue, Meeks, Iggy, Brand, Sammie.

Hurray 14th PICK! HURRAY WASTE OF IGGYS PRIME!

I love Basketball!!!!

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tyrone hill on Feb 18 at 15:45
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Maybe Jodie Meeks was brought in as the combo guard/scorer off the bench to replace lou williams once they trade him....... :)

Anyway these are the 3 players I really liked that the sixers missed out on because of lack of 2nd round picks

DeAndre Jordan
Chase Budinger
DeJuan Blaire

But in retrospect the teams that acquired these players didnt have 2nd round picks either

If the sixers somehow find a way to trade willie, kapono and lou today I will be impressed. Thats 17 mill off the books.

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Tom Moore on Feb 18 at 15:49
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Looks like the one deal was it.

Thad better play SF from now on. You have to decide who the better SF is: Thad or Andre. Or if Thad and Andre can coexsist at the 2/3 positions. If they cant coexsist you have to decide who your SF is and you need to trade the other player for a SG. Holliday needs to play atleast 25mins/game at the point. Under no circumstance should Thad play the 4 or Brand at the 5.

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Tom Moore reply to andre on Feb 18 at 16:05
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Neither one is a reliable jump shooter, though, which is a problem when the Sixers are in the half-court offense.

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The Greek on Feb 18 at 16:02
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This team is a fucking joke, I curse my prick neighbor for pretending to be DR.J in his driveway 30 years ago and thus making me a Sixers fan. FU stefanski, FU Snider, and FU Eddie Jordan for your loyal commitment to sucking.

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JohnEMagee on Feb 18 at 16:28
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Ronnie Brewer to Memphis for a first round pick

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Tom Moore on Feb 18 at 16:39
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Pick in Meeks trade is Sixers' second-rounder this year.

Reason trade hasn't been announced is they're still waiting for NBA to officially approve it. League is going 1-by-1 through all deals and haven't gotten to Sixers-Bucks yet.

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Tom Moore on Feb 18 at 16:57
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Perception that the Sixers would've had McGrady's $23 million to spend in free agency this summer if they "blew it up" and traded Iguodala and Dalembert for him was inaccurate. They'd have only been about $7 mill below the projected cap in that case. Would've had to trade Brand, too, which would've been tough, to become players in FA market this summer.

Yeah, good luck explaining that to people, I've been trying for weeks if not months.

Anyway, thanks for chasing details down, Tom. Wonder how the players feel about this, you have to think some of them were at least privately hoping for a fresh start elsewhere.

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Tray reply to Brian on Feb 18 at 17:06
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I'd become a huge fan of any player who'd sarcastically remark that now the load on him is going to be so much lighter because we acquired Jodie Meeks. Seriously, that's the sort of thing that would endear Iguodala to the fans.

I have a question. There are 3 legit superstars and a few 2nd tier. There are atleast 5 teams (plus their existing team), there are not enough to go around. So having money to spend maybe worse than not having money to spend?

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JohnEMagee reply to Tom Moore on Feb 18 at 17:29
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Well that's a good reason to sit on a mediocre team and make no effort to improve it aside from tingkering on the fringes.

Does Ed know that 7 million dollars is more than 0 dollars? That having cap space is better than not having cap space? That' his roster is fracked beyond compare and his coach is a putz?

The team hasn't hit bottom, but I think I have.

I have a new idea to save the Sixers... have them leave town:
http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=988685

I'm beyond expecting anyone associated with the Sixers to fix things. This is my main point:

The Sixers used to be defined by superstars and characters. Wilt, J, Moses, Barkley, AI. All not only great but captivating.

Then Mr. Snider proclaimed no more "character issues." No more superstars who will be seen as more imprortant than the rest of the team. So he got what he wanted. A vanilla GM committing long term money to Brand... I mean bland second level stars. No Barkley's, but Brand. No AI, but Andre Iguodala. No players, just a system and a genius P.O. coach.

...not saying the Sixers have access to a superstar right now. But I'm not sure they even want to try and get one. At least not try hard enough in a way that deviates from their current model of building a team towards mediocrity.

I need John to fire up that SellTheSixers site he was working on.

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JohnEMagee reply to tk76 on Feb 18 at 18:04
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Been on hold while i explore possible options working for MLB teams - but i can get back to it now :)

Time will tell whether this was a good trade. I would like to see Jrue and Meeks play some together and see if maybe there is some hope.

I really don't care about this team till Jordan is fired. Hope there is alot of chants Friday night so he hears it loud and clear. I don't think not showing up will help as that has been this whole year!

1 more thought. Isn't this trade basically this year's 2nd round pick for last year's 2nd round pick? And, given TonyD's track record, I think they deserve some time to see if they hit the jackpot.

But, one more time, until Jordan is gone, all is in vain. I am not nearly as mad at Ed S. as I am at Jordan. He should resign to save his friend's job.

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JohnEMagee reply to DeanH on Feb 18 at 18:26
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I've heard a lot of people say stefanski loved meeks - those that translate to the fact that dileo wanted him too?

We need a "Axe the Eds" chant to get going.

Not just a "fire eddie" chant. It's both of them. I remember how happy I was when Ed S started simply because he wasn't Billy King. Funny thing is, Billy King was actually cleaning up his mess. Then that offseason came and Ed S just messed it all up.

Weeeeee!

Everything depends on how the Sixers finish this season.
If they:

A) Play good basketball, and win some games they shouldn't.
Then the 2nd round pick isn't much to give up at all. Jasner once said (a few years ago) middle/late 2nd round picks can easily be bought for cash, if a team likes a player but doesn't have a pick.

B) Play the same, or (GULP) worse.
Currently I think we are around #9. Obviously the further we drop in the standings, the worse the trade becomes. Jodie Meeks for pick #44 = ok deal. Jodie Meeks for pick #34 = not so good a deal.

ES is clearly betting we are going to make our patented 2nd half run, and come close to making the playoffs. Unfortunately, I think this also means he will be keeping our coach.

FIRE ED and EDDIE! Okay Ed is alright, I mean considering we are a below 500 team that needs SOMETHING to at least get a glimpse of some type of hope for the future. We are not a championship caliber team and it seems that Ed is fine with leveling off at mediocre. As for Eddie, he is a joke. He can't coach. We need a coach that will put a little fire under our player's asses.

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AaronMcKie4MVP on Feb 18 at 18:59
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what is the gameplan for this team? obviously 'stay the course' is the message coming from ownership. apparantly its ok to keep the same players, coach, and GM. This is unacceptable.

ES put this team together, including the coach. We all disagree on which players are good, bad, and overpaid. But it really doesn't matter. The team ES assembled doesn't work. These are all Eddie's guys out there. its ALL on him. Why does he have a job?

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JohnEMagee reply to AaronMcKie4MVP on Feb 18 at 19:23
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WHatever the game plan is - I don't believe it's possible - i don't believe this roster with this coach can make the necessary additions to succeed as a serious Eastern COnference contender while being owned by an ownership group that won't pay the luxury tax. I don't think ANY GM could build a winning roster here without first blowing it up radically under the comcast constraints.

Even with the ability to fire Eie Joran.

I want to have hope that the sixers will win sometime soon - but i haven't had that hope since the end of the 01/02 season

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AaronMcKie4MVP reply to JohnEMagee on Feb 18 at 19:31
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Magee, I agree with you that this current roster can never be a conference contender. And, I agree that a new GM can do nothing under the current constraints.

but i want justice! ES needs to pay for getting us here. He had the reigns. he had the opportunity to do things HIS way. these are all his signings for the most part. he failed.

i dont think a new guy will come in and fix things immediately. but WTF??? what kind of message does this send to the fans?

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JohnEMagee reply to AaronMcKie4MVP on Feb 18 at 19:35
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I don't think Blowing it up would alienate the fans - because the fans are alienated and some might gain some hope that the future might come soon.

I don't think Iguodala is a bad contract, I didn't think Band was a bad signing at the time - but the fact is they haven't worked out - and they don't look like they're going to - this 'pistons model' thing probably requires a coach that cares about defense and for financial reasons I don't htink Eie Joran will be fired until sometime next season if at all...I don't think the sixers can get higher than the 10th pick in the draft this year and I don't think they'll make any roster additions because of the luxury tax (though I feel theyll give up a draft pick and lou/will/kapono (one of them) to get under the tax.

The thing i wrote goes into more detail - but after writing it i think i'm more depressed about this team than brian has ever been :)

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AaronMcKie4MVP reply to JohnEMagee on Feb 18 at 20:58
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when i asked, "what kind of message does this send to the fans?" i was referring to ownership not firing ES. Sticking with this failing model tells me they dont really give a crap. i wanted the team to blow up, but it didnt happen. ill settle for a fired GM and coach. our contract mess will take years to fix, but the other 2 numnuts need to go NOW.

ive kind of changed my tune on iguodala after following this blog. you guys are right, his contract isnt bad. with Sammy's deal expiring, its Brand's and Lou that really cripple us.

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