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Sixers Lose Game, Iverson, Dignity and Maybe Brand

Yes the sixers lost the game, iverson was never a factor,period.I read this blog all the
time and everbodys always bragging on brand,no matter how good people think he is they
are still losing.when his #s are up,the rest of the team #s are down.The team is a product of horrible coaching,period.so on losing brand(who gives a flyin f$$k)?dignity,please

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Jeff reply to Crissy on Mar 2 at 6:53
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Well when he's signed to such a large contract over such a long period of time, it would be nice to see a healthy Brand producing. So we as sixers fans should give a "flyin f$$k."
And no, you're wrong. There were significant games this season when Brand produced and the team was not only productive as a whole, but won.
I would suggest actually doing research before you're going to make such bold claims.
http://nba.phillyarena.com/teamstats/
(thanks Derek)

Shut him down. Nothing good can come from him playing at this point.

Last night I dreamed (no really) that I was asked to deliver a message to Aaron McKie that certain players (a number of them) were unavailable for the next game, but that could change if he were willing to coach them. And in my dream, Coach McKie didn't say anything, he just smiled.

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AaronMcKie4MVP reply to Matt on Mar 2 at 8:27
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we are #9 in the lottery and 2 games out of #4. its silly to be the best of the worst. whatever it takes to lose.

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The Greek reply to AaronMcKie4MVP on Mar 2 at 8:45
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With Eddie Jordan as the coach, we sure do have what it takes.

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khouse on Mar 2 at 8:26
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Boy I sure am glad we didn't trade Iggy away cuz about now EJ would be throwing Stoudimire under the bus! But doesn't it have to be getting crowded down there with Brand, Stefanski & the Princeton offense there already?

NBA teams are always lethargic first game home after a west coast trip. With EJ's vast experience you'd think he would've taken that into consideration before opening his mouth.
The more EJ talks the sooner he'll be gone. He's implying the best player on the team who the GM decided not to deal for cap space is not leading. I think he's even starting to bug the GM with his statements. Just a matter of time. Maybe, he's intentionally talking his way out the door.

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deepsixersuede on Mar 2 at 9:04
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Brian, as far as bad body language, my bet would be on Lou or Rodney. Both because Willie and Kapono take minutes away that this past week were theirs and they seemed to be playing well, though with this coach, that doesn!t matter. And if Jason is available, why the hell no Sam/Spieghts earlier? He coached like he had no other bigs; I am real curious how this year plays out, will we ever see lineups featuring our future? As of now a Sam/Spieghts/Thad/Iggy/Jrue lineup would have me at least watching, but without another big is that possible?

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Tom Moore on Mar 2 at 9:10
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Once again, Jordan talks about how "you" have to respond -- not "we." He also did it after the blowout November home loss to the Jazz. The coach should share in the blame, not distance himself from his players and what happened.

Iguodala tends to throw in the "play the right way" line into most of his interviews. I wonder if that was simply pounded into him by LB, or if it is a veiled reference to wanting a coach or prioritizes it?

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JohnEMagee reply to tk76 on Mar 2 at 9:48
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That was my thought, that maybe that's why Joran hates Iguodala, cause Joran doesn't coach the right way

dude exactly -- it's a veiled reference to LB for sure. He's saying, "I was trained by a real coach. Brown is still my mentor, not this clown."

Iguodala came up under Jim O'Brien. He's two coaches removed from Brown.

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Statman reply to tk76 on Mar 2 at 10:47
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I wonder if that was simply pounded into him by LB, or if it is a veiled reference to wanting a coach or prioritizes it?

Iguodala never played for LB, but I bet he wishes he had.

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Tom Moore on Mar 2 at 9:21
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Kind of funny how Iguodala said he saw bad body language once in the fourth quarter -- he didn't play in the entire period.

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Statman reply to Tom Moore on Mar 2 at 10:39
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Kind of funny how Iguodala said he saw bad body language once in the fourth quarter -- he didn't play in the entire period.

If, theoretically, Iguodala did show bad body language (I do remember the one play with Lou that Greek mentioned, as well as another where he stared down Sam after running into a pick and getting no help), how could he have "seen" it?

I say, kudos to Iguodala for taking the high road. It's not worth stooping to EJ's level. To blame the blowout on bad body language is to confuse effort with ability. If Jordan is concerned about body language, he should never put Tankman (Kapono) in, because the rest of the Sixers know all hope is lost when he goes in. Last night, when Kapono came in for Iguodala in the 3rd, it was a 13-point game. 2:39 later, the game was a 21-point blowout.

Seriously, I'm hoping Jordan keeps playing Tankman, and that Tankman in turn will keep up his remarkable 0-for-2010 streak in 3-pointers. It's the only reason to keep watching at the end of blowouts, sort of like how everybody slows down on the highway to get a look at a grisly accident.

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Tom Moore on Mar 2 at 9:25
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The Greek on Mar 2 at 9:26
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Sometime in the 2nd or 3rd period I saw Lou pull up for a quick contested jumper, Immediately iguodala shrugged his shoulders and made a stink face. He then ran down the court and continued with the bad body language after the sixers shot the ball. Please don't get offeneded defenders of Iggy, just stating what I saw.

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AaronMcKie4MVP reply to The Greek on Mar 2 at 11:41
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Magee is a frat boy on viagra when it comes to Iggy.

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JohnEMagee reply to AaronMcKie4MVP on Mar 2 at 11:52
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Wow Forrest, you're funny

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AaronMcKie4MVP reply to JohnEMagee on Mar 2 at 12:11
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it is funny. and, interstingly, thats your joke about Thabeet

At least make an effort to say something that will contribute to the conversation. "Ha ha, you suck" comments don't do anything but raise my blood pressure.

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JohnEMagee reply to Brian on Mar 2 at 12:24
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But the first amendment gives him the freedom of speech and you can't stop him, unless of course you're un-american

:) :) :)

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AaronMcKie4MVP reply to Brian on Mar 2 at 13:04
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i hear you, Brian. but cmon, it was only a good spirited joke, that i actually thought magee would enjoy....since i got it from him. i cant believe you see the need to straighten me out like Moe Green on Fredo. but you let macgee run free, insulting other bloggers with his smug and condescending ways.

Check past threads, I try to straighten everyone out and keep it on topic, including john.

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The Greek reply to Brian on Mar 2 at 13:26
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straighten me out like Moe Green on Freudo

gotta admit that line is tremendous!

Next topic, is this rock bottom for a Sixers fan? I mean what a fkn waste this year has been.

Aside from Jrue development, this has been a gigantic step backwards for the rest of the team. Just terrible times.

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JohnEMagee reply to The Greek on Mar 2 at 13:31
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The first Randy Ayers year was pretty bad...I think most of the post brown billy king era was pretty bad as well because King kept alive the notion that this team was one piece away and wasted years and value of certain players (though he did pull off the weber deal which got rid of the KT money a year sooner which was impressive - could you imagine if the sixers still had kenny thomas?)

The back slide of Thad is kind of disappinting, but i'm trying to write that off to 3 coaches in 3 years, mixed signals, and Randy Ayers getting in the way.

Brands injury and performance does kind of suck.

I'm holding out slim hope that the off season will redeem

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JohnEMagee reply to AaronMcKie4MVP on Mar 2 at 13:30
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I enjoy jokes that in not mean spirited or spiteful - but the jokes aimed towards me usually aren't - and pretending otherwise is just silly

Sixers NBA worst in opposing 3pt% at 40.2%.

Amazing considering the next worst is 36.7%, and 27 of 29 other teams are between 34-36.7%. The Sixers are so off the normal curve its scary.

Even more telling is the worst 6 teams in 3pt% allowed:

Sixers
Wizards
Nets
Warriors
Pacers
Wolves


So the worst 6 teams in the league have the worst 3pt% allowed. Not a coincidence, and points to the coach.

Also not a coincidence that last year the Sixers ranking in this stat was 15th, right around their finish in the league standings.

TYou can also see how this stat reflects team play looking at OKC. This year they are second best to the Lakers. Last year they were middle of the pack. When you have a defense that denies point shots you have a winning defense... and then you have the Sixers.

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JohnEMagee reply to tk76 on Mar 2 at 9:49
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Except that the sixers have been one of the worst in 3PT% allowed the past couple years haven't they, independent of coach?

As To said (and as I wrote), they were middle of the pack for 3pt% prior to this year. But they were 6th worst last year in 3pt makes allowed, and 5th worst in 3pt differential. So there was an issue.

But stats like 3pt differential are somewhat dictated by style and shot selection. 3pt% allowed is IMO a better reflection of your defense.

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JohnEMagee reply to tk76 on Mar 2 at 10:27
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Huh, see that's where perception blinds reality I always thought they were much worse at the 3.

However, I think differential might matter in that the 3 is a major part of the NBA game, you need a 3 point shoorter, and the sixers really don't have one

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Tom Moore on Mar 2 at 10:00
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Sixers were tied for 16th last season at 36.7 percent (Kings set an NBA record at 40.6 percent);

They were 15th in 2007-08 at 36 percent.

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Tom Moore on Mar 2 at 10:08
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They were tied for 10th in 2006-07 (35.3 percent).

did AI get to 20,000 pts as a sixer?

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Tom Moore on Mar 2 at 10:24
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He's 69 points short -- No. 2 all-time behind Hal Greer.

:(, i was hoping to see him hit 20k, not like this season matters anyway.

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JohnEMagee on Mar 2 at 11:04
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Every passive aggressive comment by the coach, every loss that demonstrates that 'defense' isn't a priority for this coach even though the GM says it should be, every silly substitution or rotation that an NBA coach with a clue wouldn't run, just reinforces to me that he stays employed due to financial reasons and not basketball ones.

Three possible reasons why Jordan is still employed by the Sixers:

1. Financial
2. Stefanski is covering is his ass (can't fire him without losing his own job)
3. Stefanski and Snider still believe in him.

Is any one of those reasons any less damning than the others? Not in my mind.

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JohnEMagee reply to Brian on Mar 2 at 11:15
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Oh - well I disagree with you on more or less damning...#3 is a lot more damning than the first two. If the other two ed's believe in Joran - the franchise is even more doomed than I thought.

The funny thing is Stefanski and Snider would absolutely have to say #3 is the reason he's still here.

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JohnEMagee reply to Brian on Mar 2 at 11:27
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Well saying it and believing it are two different things, it's what I would expect them to say - but hopefully they don't believe it.

Believing it just frightens me.

The sixers are 2 games 'behind' the 3 teams currently tied for the fourth pick...it's within reach - but i don't think this week - the pacers have a crappy west coast trip.

If Brand is out for a significant amount of time I think we have a legit shot at the #4 pick.

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JohnEMagee reply to Brian on Mar 2 at 11:30
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Well I did my 'weekly preview' like I said and I expected the sixers to be one of two teams to go winless this week (pacers being the others) making up at least 1/2 a game on everyone and possibly 2 on the knicks.

If Joran keeps coaching and keeps losing the team and Brand is out for a significant period of time I think four is possible, but the pacers are really really bad too

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The Greek reply to JohnEMagee on Mar 2 at 13:32
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Did you take my advice and write about how the Great Andrey Blatche will lead the Wizards to more wins then the shitty sixers?

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JohnEMagee reply to The Greek on Mar 2 at 13:34
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Well no - but the wizards have an easier absolute and relative (location) strength of schedule this week with a home at home against the bucks. I figured they'd go 1-2 this week and the sixers would go 0-4

Most people are not buying into the 'great' Blatche because they've seen this before and realize he'll regress to his old ways sooner or later

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The Greek reply to JohnEMagee on Mar 2 at 13:45
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But he was never given the keys to the team until now. Sooner or later you will come around on the great Blatche, have you seen his numbers since we had our debate on him last week?

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JohnEMagee reply to The Greek on Mar 2 at 13:47
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Yes

Have you seen his numbers for his career as opposed to the good week or two he has every once in a while...so far it's a small sample size and jump to conclusion

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The Greek reply to JohnEMagee on Mar 2 at 13:54
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Like I said this is the first time he has been given the keys to the team. I have seen there last 6 games on tv, the kid is a beast. You can wait for him to turn into a turd again, and then tell me I was wrong. I understand that. But his offensive game is just devastating, and I will not bet against him to reach his potential.

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Tray reply to Brian on Mar 2 at 12:14
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Unfortunately, thanks in part to fans like yourself who wanted us to rack up meaningless wins and build a team premised around a really good defensive backcourt, management didn't make the moves that would've assured us of that fourth pick or probably better. There's no reason why we couldn't or shouldn't have finished with the third worst record this year.

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JohnEMagee reply to Tray on Mar 2 at 12:16
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Fascinating Jim

If fans like me had a shred of influence over the decisions this franchise makes Eddie Jordan would've never been hired, and he certainly wouldn't still be coaching at this point.

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JohnEMagee reply to Brian on Mar 2 at 12:23
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IT IS ALL YOUR FAULT

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deepsixersuede reply to Tray on Mar 2 at 12:36
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If your saying do the Houston deal and get the 3 pick or don!t do it and get 4 through 11 and keep Iggy and have Sam!s expiring next year I choose #2.

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JohnEMagee reply to deepsixersuede on Mar 2 at 12:40
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Well I don't think the sixers were getting the #3 pick with or without the Iguodala deal...the problem is that Sam's expiring contract for next season doesn't solve the sixers immediate problem of thel uxury tax (presumptive) bill for 2011 whereas the Iguodala / Sam Mcgrady/Budinger trade did solve the problem.

My problem isn't whether or not they made the moves as much as I have no faith that the GM knows how to evaluate a roster.

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deepsixersuede reply to JohnEMagee on Mar 2 at 12:48
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I thought I read they added salary in the Meeks deal, could they possibly bite the bullet if young talent is added?

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JohnEMagee reply to deepsixersuede on Mar 2 at 12:50
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I don't think the luxury tax is something they'll go over...no. The amount of salary they added for next season was minimal - they still have to pay their draft pick - and the better the pick - the more money he makes - Meeks saves them singing a 'vet minimum' player in the off season.

A guy like willie/lou/kapono will have to be shed this off season - while taking little to no salary back - some team with cap space will help the sixers out

You know what would be ideal, if Lou plays his ass off the rest of the season and the Sixers are able to work out a deal to trade up in the draft, sending Lou and their first rounder to a team with cap space who's higher in the draft. Dare to dream.

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deepsixersuede reply to Brian on Mar 2 at 12:58
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I just looked at Draftxpress and entertained moving down. Minnesota has #12 and #25 and if they get stuck at #6 or lower maybe that becomes an option.

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JohnEMagee reply to deepsixersuede on Mar 2 at 13:03
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No, moving down would be a mistake

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deepsixersuede reply to JohnEMagee on Mar 2 at 13:07
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If no stud is available than it might not be. The guy they like may be available at #12 [Monroe, as an example] than they get who they want, plus.Right now #9 gets you Patterson and #12 and #25 gets you one of the young foreigners and D.James.

I see the logic, but I highly doubt they'd pick up a late first pick. Those picks are garbage, guaranteed contracts for guys who have about the same odds of panning out as a second rounder (whose contract isn't guaranteed). Of course if the second rounder is named Jodie Meeks, well, he's worth much more.

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deepsixersuede reply to Brian on Mar 2 at 13:14
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Thid draft it seems close talent wise from #9 [Patterson] to the end of the first [James] but getting a top pick, of course, is the right move.Derek I am sure could fill us in better.

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JohnEMagee reply to deepsixersuede on Mar 2 at 13:10
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And there's a reason patterson is projects at 9 and the other guys are lower...the nba is a stars league, the higher you pick, the smarte ryou pick, more likely you are to get a star, moving down to get two more guys who might be 'above average' won't help you win.

The sixers position is still greatly up in the air as they are currently tied for the 8th pick with the wizards...the sixers could draft as high as 4 (assuming lottery goes to form) and as low as 9.

And there's always the demarcus cousins factor

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deepsixersuede reply to JohnEMagee on Mar 2 at 13:18
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I keep picturing Chris Washburn with him, a risky move in the top 5, but worth the risk at 6 or higher. Favors is going through what Jrue went through last year, sorta. The other big, Lawal stayed and is getting a lot of his touches but in the top 5 I think he goes over Cousins.

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JohnEMagee reply to deepsixersuede on Mar 2 at 13:25
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On pure talent Cousins is probably the #2 pick in the draft because of the position he plays, but his 'issues' and 'coachability' make him more likely to slide down a bit, but he's the kind of guy you do a thorough interview on and with a commitment from him - I think you take the risk because his upside is sick.

I think the only 'fixed' positions in this draft are 1 and 2 - and even Thorpe tried to say that if a team like the t'wolves got the #1 pick they should take turner over wall

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deepsixersuede reply to JohnEMagee on Mar 2 at 13:30
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There does seem to be questions about Cousins athletism at the next level according to draftxpress but his demeanor reminds me of K.Martin, something our team genuinely is lacking in.

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JohnEMagee reply to deepsixersuede on Mar 2 at 13:32
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I'm not sure about his 'demeanor'

The concerns are have are the coachability and maturity issues that have been raised...i don't really care about his demeanor as long as he's willing to do the work and listen to the coach and franchise - which is why he probably isn't the consensus #3 right now

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JohnEMagee reply to Brian on Mar 2 at 12:58
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I think, like Sam, that Lou is what Lou is and the league knows it, Sam's 'good play' recently didn't make him more valuable at the trade deadline this year seemingly and I don't think a couple months will make people forget that he's an undersized two guard off the bench.

If the sixers can dump lou to ANYONE without having to give up a future first round pick I'd consider it a success

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Charles Shackleford's Top Hat on Mar 2 at 13:36
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Commence TANKAPALOOZA!

The Sixers should not win another game all season. They need to get into the 4 spot in this draft. It looks like a 4 man draft and we cannot afford to miss out. Shut Brand down and tank. I wasn't always a tanking proponent but now i am convinced. We need to up our odds of winning the lottery.

CSTH

who's the fourth guy?

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deepsixersuede reply to Brian on Mar 2 at 14:12
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Favors or Cousins? Or in our case maybe Johnson, if he can be teamed with Iggy at the 2/3 or 3/2 because of his jumper.

For some reason I thought Favors had dropped off. Wall, Turner, Cousins.

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deepsixersuede reply to Brian on Mar 2 at 14:24
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Favors, I believe, was more of a defensive presence in high school and if Sam is leaving he may be the better pick over Cousins for a lot of teams. I have watched G.Tech about 5 times this year and like Henry at Kansas he just doesn!t get touches, but he doesn!t force things either. He fits more under our teams, pick the good kid approach, though that might not be the right thought process all the time.
I like Johnson!s upside and would take him for his possible star quality.

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Mike P. reply to Brian on Mar 2 at 15:49
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DeMarcus Cousins is a headcase. Stay away from DeMarcus Cousins.

I want Henry or Favors if we can't get Wall or Turner.

Stupidest thing about that retarded deadline trade where we gave up our second pick for nothing is that lots of players are going to come out early this year to get more money before the the CBA. Hurry for Jodie Meeks!

Tankapalooza should have started when we lost 12 straight games.


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