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Thunder Dan and Wild Bill Laimbeer

Honestly, I think you're under-rating the WNBA just a bit. Yes, NBA players are better athletes, but that almost argues that the game strategies have to be a bit more sophisticated. Laimbeer was not a guy who relied on athletics but his skills and his mind. For a guy with his limitations to become a 2-time champ, 4-time All-Star and former rebounding champion is quite impressive. So is the fact that he took his BB IQ and was able to implement strategies that won championships at a professional level as the head guy.

Plus, between his stints of coaching, he was an analyst for the Pistons(the same position as Collins). He stayed in touch with the modern game. Laimbeer is extra interesting because he might bring Mahorn with him.

I'd be happy with either guy, honestly. Thunder Dan's interesting due to his Suns SSOL ties combined with his playing career under Pat Riley, Westphal and Fitzsimmons, He was as an athletic defensive wing who became a long range shooter later on. So, I think he'd be cool too.

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AaronMcKie4MVP reply to rswknight on May 9 at 7:52
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if that us your logic , we should start combing the high schools, st patricks (nj), Oak Hill ?

im not saying laimbeer will be a good or bad coach. but i wouldnt rely on a WNBA championship as solid coaching experience.

for guys with no experience, they arent bad choices. marjerlie was a leader and a winner in his playing days, both good signs.

That's your issue. WNBA is pro ball. You have to deal with travel, the draft, free agency and grown up people. The level of money is different, but it is still pro ball. I'd put more stock in WNBA experience then I would in College ball, that's for sure.

As a basketball junkie, I've watched more than my fair share in the Summer, including Laimbeer's Shock. The man can really coach.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qj2tgX3wFc

http://sports.espn.go.com/wnba/columns/story?columnist=voepel_mechelle&id=4261130

Here is another interesting statement:

"The Shock were winless after 10 games when Laimbeer assumed head coaching duties on June 19, 2002, despite no professional coaching experience. He quickly employed a more aggressive philosophy – akin to his reputation as a hardnosed player after 14 NBA seasons – and the Shock finished above .500 over the final 15 games (8-7). The Shock began to attack the basket, increasing their trips to the foul line while shooting fewer 3-pointers. The Shock also became a better rebounding team, grabbing nearly nine more per game after Laimbeer took over (36.4 rpg/ 27.8). Detroit would expect nothing less from a team coached by the Pistons’ all-time rebounding leader."

http://www.wnba.com/coachfile/bill_laimbeer/index.html

That sounds like a philosophy the Sixers need to implement.

Both would be fine as Stefanki's final hire.

But it does not bode well for them being inexperienced coaches joining a team that is on its 8th coach in 8 years with a GM with a half a foot in the grave. I doubt either will get much of a chance to establish themselves in Philly, because they will be gone in 1-2 years.

But that probably is the case for whomever Stefanski hires. Especially if he keeps up his BS about being able to turn this around quickly.

So I'm not down on Lambieer or Marjle as coaches. They have some potential. And this is the type of job they will have to take to get a chance. But it will likely be more of an NBA coaching audition for them then the beginning of a long term rub- but maybe they will prove me wrong?

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eddies' heady's reply to tk76 on May 9 at 11:07
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I totally agree on Stefanski being at the end of his rope deal. Either he has jumped in Snider/Luukko's back pocket ala Larry Brown or they really are waiting on the beloved hockey team to get trounced. You just know that if he is as close to lame duck status as one can get, that another GM would surely come in and clean house and get his own coach just as ES misguidedly did.

That's why I've been curious as to why Shue is going on these interviews with ES and DiLeo. Was this done before but not spoken about publicly? If you're going to send Shue why not Chris Ford and John Nash too? Like Suede said, is he the secret set of ears (along with DiLeo) for when ES is let go in a matter of days?

Just more effed-upness to go along with the boatload of effed-up if they do allow a GM on his last breath to make a hire that may only last a year or two just like his boss. The 7Fixers, gotta love it.

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deepsixersuede on May 9 at 10:37
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I like the fact this search seems to be going in all directions and not looking at one type of guy. Was Shue involved last year? Is he managements [Snider and Louko!s] eyes in these interviews? Basketball is basketball, winning a title at any level is impressive and counts for something. I agree that Marjeles personality may be less grating on today!s player but not sure Liambeer couldn!t get this group to overachieve.

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deepsixersuede on May 9 at 10:53
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I am not a Stephen A. Smith fan but his article today is a must read.

I'm glad Screamin A actually quited sources. But don't get ehy he criticizes Iguodala for hiring his own strength and shooting coaches. his conditioning is top notch and the team has been too cheap to hire a shooting coach.

I understand targeting someone like Speights, if he is not putting in the work. But targeting someone who is putting in extra effort like Iguodala is silly.

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deepsixersuede reply to tk76 on May 9 at 11:44
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Dream scenerio, Marreese got ripped at end of season interview, puts in major work this summer, kicks Elton!s ass at camp and new coach can!t help but start him; truly wishful thinking!!!!

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eddies' heady's reply to tk76 on May 9 at 11:45
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Why should Iguodala or any player be above criticism? It's not for the extra effort but for the isolated nature. Cohesion starts off the court before you even step foot on it. It's just another example of the disarray this team is in to allow the franchise-appointed star to wallow in his own self-appointed stardom.

His conditioning may in fact be top notch, but his shooting coach may need to find another profession.

There are plenty of things to criticize Iguodala for, but paying for his own extra coaches is not one of them.

Do you think he deserves criticism for paying for his own strength coach given his history of durability and conditioning? Is that a problem for the team?

Do you think Iguodala should NOT have a shooting coach- especially since the team does not have one?

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johnrosz reply to tk76 on May 9 at 20:47
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If Andre has his own personal shooting coach, that guy should be fired anyway for doing such a terrible job. CLANK!

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deepsixersuede reply to eddies' heady's on May 9 at 11:59
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If a team gives its players ample tools to work with [shooting coach?] than I agree with you that they all should work together, but it sounds like Iggy wants to strengthen a weakness that the team deems economically unfeasable.

Ed Stefanski has paid lip service to the idea of hiring a strength coach for the past 2 seasons w/o following through. I don't blame Dala at all for getting his own guy. That is such a ridiculous thing to complain about. Better that then letting him get 'fixed' by Ayers like Thad was.

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eddies' heady's reply to rswknight on May 9 at 14:49
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Um, maybe Andre needed to seek the services of Ayers (or others on staff) considering Thad shot a better percentage than he did from the field overall and from three. Ayers is accused of screwing up Thad's shot but this guy Andre has had at least the last two years (remember he gave him a high-five after the Lakers buzzer beater last year in LA?) isn't given the same label of screwing Andre up?

To Suede: In addition to my primary point, the secondary point here is that it hasn't strengthened a weakness, it's made it worse; so it isn't helping in addition to not fostering chemistry amongst the team.

Dude. The team kept saying they'd get a shooting coach. They didn't. So he went out and got his own. Whether you disagree with the effectiveness of that individual or not, why would anybody have an issue with a player willing to correct a flaw in their game out of their own pocket? That's blatantly outrageous.

Thad's a better shooter, that's been proven. So, Thad actually went into a major slump during the year, which was credited to changes that Ayers tried to implement.

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deepsixersuede reply to eddies' heady's on May 9 at 15:23
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I am not sure his shooting got worse; somebody put stats up recently showing he is a good catch and shoot guy, worse off the dribble and with A.Miller gone he seemed to have the ball in his hands alot more this year, thus more shots off the dribble. Towards the end of the year, when Jrue started getting major minutes he seemed to start shooting a higher percentage.

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eddies' heady's reply to deepsixersuede on May 9 at 15:57
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He chose to shoot those shots off the dribble, Miller being gone has nothing to do with that, it was his choice. Just like Jrue has nothing to do with him shooting a higher percentage late in the season, when he finally put away his affinity for his jumper and started driving the ball.


knight: Why be so sure an outside source is correcting a flaw instead of exacerbating one? I mean, he is an outsider not employed by the team. Along with, the shot seemed to be just as much a focus as being fucked up, considering the propensity.

Who does Andre Iguodala work for? The Sixers? Or himself? Who pays him to be an employee and operate under the structure provided, effective or not?

So he is going against the team by trying to make himself better FOR the team?

I enjoy your logic, or lack thereof...

So he should work with a new shooting coach every year? Because the Sixers turn over their coaching staff on average yearly.

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Old School SixerFan reply to eddies' heady's on May 9 at 17:04
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I can't understand criticism of AI9 for hiring his own shooting coach. The team should have had a first rate shooting coach on the payroll. Thad and Lou both had their own shooting coaches,but only worked with them during breaks.

You can argue whether or not AI9 got value for his money, since his form is not classic, but how can you argue that he should not have spent his own money to improve his shooting?

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eddies' heady's reply to Old School SixerFan on May 9 at 18:12
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Did you not read from the second sentence on in my first paragraph? My viewpoint is from the concept of "team". You mention Thad and Lou working with one 'only during breaks', which is the key. You're not starting team chemistry off on the right foot by letting one guy isolate themselves and train apart from everyone else DURING the season.

If you're a player and most of the team knows this teammate already has an ego and then while the rest of you are working with team personnel after/before practice on shooting repetitions, this guy is on the other end working with his 'hired' guy? Let the chatter begin. Think you would look to this guy as your leader? Think you would feel closeness as a team?

I totally agree that Kruetzer or anyone else should have been hired as stated. But you just can't allow your employees to even slightly deviate from the company model. It's just not good business, or team building in this case. Your boss wouldn't let you keep working if you were receiving instruction or directives from an independent firm and it shouldn't have been allowed in this situation. Which is even more reason ES should get the boot.

He let Andre run the asylum off the court and he showed tendencies to think he was running it on the court this year too. It permeates. It festers. Chemsitry and cohesion were nil and we all saw it rear it's ugly head this past season - without even taking into account the maestro was gone to Oregon.

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Old School SixerFan reply to eddies' heady's on May 9 at 18:24
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Where I work, the company encourages us to attend classes and seminars to improve our skills. They even pay for it in most cases.

Do you really mean to imply that it is better for them to be bad than to try to do something on their own to improve?

That's what he's arguing, and that's why it doesn't make sense.

Jinkies, the team doesn't even have a strength coach and a shooting coach? That is retarded.

I can't believe Iggy is paying money for his own shooting coach. He really should look for some sort of refund.

I'd be very happy to have Laimbeer be our coach. The team isn't going anywhere anytime soon with the pieces we have. It's time to rebuild and give a new coach a chance.

Sadly the entire franchise is a joke from top to bottom and we'll probably end up hiring some retread loser and not win 50 games for the next decade again.

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Old School SixerFan reply to Mike P on May 9 at 17:13
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With a decent coach and a defensive focus, the existing roster can win 45 games. With a nice new piece from the draft, they could get to 50 next year. After all these are the same players we expected to win 45-50 games last year before we found out Jordan was clueless.

Both of these guys would be first time NBA coaches. Either of these two guys could be the right coach - the next great coach. It is unlikely a "big-name" retread will suddenly become a championship coach. Personally,I think WNBA success means something. There you have the best versus the best and if you can motivate and find ways to win, that should translate.

Eh, I used to be for keeping Jrue and Iggy and building around them, but more and more I find myself wanting the Sixers to go out there during the draft and try to trade him (Iggy) and some of our other losers for a combination of good young talent, picks, and expirings. Maybe the Clippers or Wolves will bite and give up Gordon/Love, expirings, and picks or something.

There is no moving Brand because he is garbage city.

I'm just tired of the team sucking, not being exciting, and having no future at the same time. It makes me fond for 2008 when they were running all over the place and everyone was excited for their future. Oh Elton, you bastard.

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Old School SixerFan reply to Mike P on May 9 at 18:11
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I'm OK with trading Iguodala as long as they get equal value. I see no reason to trade him for cap space, because it is doubtful we could get low enough to sign an equivalent player.

You are right. Elton's deterioration screwed up the whole thing. The only way the effect of that can be minimized would be by a miraculous improvement by Speights so Brand could be used off the bench.

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Tom Moore on May 9 at 19:49
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Sixers issued a release about meeting with Laimbeer. Stefanski: "We want to speak to as many qualified candidates as possible. Certainly Bill Laimbeer's credentials as a player and success as a coach — including three championships in six seasons in the WNBA (with the Detroit Shock) — speaks for itself."

Stefanski, DiLeo and Shue also finished their chat with Mitchell later Sunday.

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Tom Moore on May 9 at 20:00
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Used some of depressedfan's ideas in my trade proposals for Sunday column:

http://www.phillyburbs.com/news/news_details/article/334/2010/may/09/talking-possible-trades.html

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tk76 reply to Tom Moore on May 9 at 20:42
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I would not be surprised in the whisper down the lane way of the media that this will now become a "trade rumor" from and "insider" instead of the good natured speculation that it is.

Nothing like a good old run on sentence.

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Tom Moore on May 9 at 20:02
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Stefanski on Mitchell: "Sam has been a successful head coach in the league, having been named Coach of the Year in 2007. We were very interested in speaking with him. It was good to sit down with him to exchange ideas about our team and this opportunity."

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johnrosz on May 9 at 21:02
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In a lot of ways, this years "coaching search" is just pissing me off. To see Stefanski actually conduct the process thoroughly this time around reassures my assumption that last years "search" was a complete farce. Ed had the job lined up for that incompetent crony of his from the day he was let go in Washington. I'm still amazed that Stefanski is employed

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Jeff reply to johnrosz on May 9 at 21:45
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it's natural to try harder when your job is on the line.

I also read yesterday that Stefanski is setting expectations and objectives for the roster this summer. One might question why this wasn't done in years prior, but once again, his job is on the line so he tries harder.

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Mike P reply to johnrosz on May 9 at 22:50
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Haha, man I was thinking that too conspiracy wise. He just wanted to get his old pal a guaranteed pay day.

A ton of support for Laimbeer in the poll. Understandable.

Stephen A. Smith is a complete idiot and I love how the Iguodala haters come out of the woodwork even when the criticisms of him are pure nonsense.

"Andre Iguodala spends his own money to try to improve his game, he's such a bad teammate."

Doesn't mention that his strength coach has kept him as one of, if not the best conditioned athlete in the NBA, and he's missed a grand total of six games in his six seasons. Also failed to mention that (a) the team doesn't have a shooting coach on staff and (b) Lou Williams and Thad Young have both hired their own shooting coaches over the past two seasons.

Sometimes I wonder how Stephen A. has a job, then I read the responses of people like Eddy's Heady's and it all makes sense. There are plenty of hyper-reactive idiot Philly fans out there, Smith plays right to them.

Smith is somewhat plugged in in certain NBA circles. But the past few articles has convinced me he has not watched many (any?) Sixers games this year. I guess that is common for guys who see themselves as more national in their scope- but it leads to some absolutely ridiculous statements.

Doug Collins just said Grant Hill has his own shooting coach. Horrible teammate.

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Old School SixerFan reply to Brian on May 9 at 23:14
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I appreciate your comments. I was wondering why it was wrong for AI9 to use his own money to improve his game.

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johnrosz reply to Brian on May 10 at 0:51
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As one of the "Iguodala haters" you mentioned, I'd like to clarify that I have no problem with him having his own shooting coach. I'm just pointing out that his personal coach isn't doing the best job...

That's a fair point. He should fire his shooting coach and find a new one.

Obviously there's nothing wrong with hiring your own shooting coach, but you really have to question his shooting coach selection, or whether at this point he should even be bothering.

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eddies' heady's on May 9 at 23:46
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Hyper-reactive? Idiot? Philly fan? Such a mature stance to take when one sees something differently. Hope it rallied your loyal tow-the-company-line brethren.

Take the love-of-player blinders off already and see the team for once. Who's the idiot who sponsored the B-R.com Iguodala page with the saying, "National recognition doesn't matter, wins do."

Yeah sure, wins do, all 27 of 'em ... our superstar.

You slobbed over him and anointed him as the leader all year long, that is until Fagan busted your bubble with the damning up-close observation that he wasn't leading after all. Never did, never was.

So, you've been wrong before, as we all have.

Ha, that is a pretty poopy page sponsoring.

"Our" superstar. :*(

Man I really hope Jrue begins his eventual take over of the team next year.

He never annointed him the leader, he annointed him the best player on the team, which, he is.

However, we all get what you're trying to do on here. We all understand that you get-off to disagreeing with the status-quo, but that doesn't mean 1.) you make sense 2.) you're correct 3.) people respect your opinion.
People read Brian's blog because he has done all three and will continue to do so in the future.

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Jeff reply to Jeff on May 10 at 0:26
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And yes, I spelled "anoint" incorretly. My apologies for offending anyone who cares.

I subscribe to the Philadelphia Inquirer. But after reading SAS statement that the 76ers need a point guard, I will not read his articles anymore. I doubt he even watched the team last year. I have no desire reading junk (I can read Met's blogs if I want to do that!).

I personally think Collins may be a great choice for a coach. Listening to him tonight, he has a good handle on the game. I keep hearing on tv (don't know who) that Brown is their 1st choice w/ Collins their 2nd choice. I think I would prefer Collins over Brown. I also would prefer Budenholzer or Thibs BUT I do not think Ed S. will take that chance, sadly.

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johnrosz on May 10 at 1:18
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Eskin was on Sports Final a little while ago, said that its a joke to think the Sixers might hire an assistant. Said that they have yet to reach out to Larry Brown as the brass is still focused on the Flyers right now(typical...)and that Stefanski still may be canned. Eskin says it comes down to Brown as the first option, if not him than either Collins or Woodson(blah).

Despite being a complete douche, Eskin is still reasonably connected in this town, I buy what he's selling on this one.

Isn't he the one who had a source tell him Stefanski and Jordan were both getting canned at the All Star Break this past season? I can't remember.

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johnrosz reply to Brian on May 10 at 1:37
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I think he said they were discussing it but were more likely to address it after the season. He was pretty on top of things with the Elton Brand signing if I remember correctly. Obviously take it with a grain of salt but I don't doubt he talks to people with knowledge of the situation. All I know is that with what is transpiring in the ATL ORL series, a Mike Woodson hiring would not go over well with the fans.

It's pretty funny that two of the top three on their list just coached their teams to sweeps at the hands of the team Tony DiLeo took to 6 games last season. If Eskin's right.

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johnrosz reply to Brian on May 10 at 2:06
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I loved DiLeos approach to defending Orlando. Let Dwight get his, but guard that damn perimeter, the anti Eddie Jordan approach.

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Mike P reply to johnrosz on May 10 at 9:50
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Yeah, why not just let Dwight dunk the ball 30 times a game? That is all he can do anyway.

That series was exciting and got us all jacked up.

Jrue, please continue becoming Gary Payton 2.0 so we can stop being sad.

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Jeff reply to Mike P on May 10 at 9:56
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It's easy to say that until you realize that their offense is set up so that four of the opposing team's defenders are spread out guarding the perimeter leaving Howard one on one with the defending center, whom he usually overpowers .

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Mike P reply to Jeff on May 10 at 10:08
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If you have a center who can play some sort of defense he won't destroy you mainly because all he can do is dunk. Prime Shaq he ain't. That is probably why that series was so close that year because we had Sammie playing enough defense on him where he elbowed him in the face.

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Jeff reply to Mike P on May 10 at 10:56
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I wouldn't exactly call him a spot up shooter or a high post threat a la Dirk, but he does more than just dunk. He works with Patrick Chewing and has really developed post moves. He really is a stud center, it's no fluke. His strength is one of his natural advantages and shouldn't be used as an excuse to abate his skill.

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Mike P reply to Jeff on May 10 at 10:59
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He is a stud defensive center that is for sure. Offensively? Nah, not really. He just dunks it. Dunk dunk dunk.

Both the Bobcats and the Hawks don't have a guy his size to play defense on him. The ECF will be a lot different from the past two series.

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Jeff reply to Mike P on May 10 at 11:16
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I'm not exactly sure what your argument is. Even if all he did was dunk offensively, is that a bad thing? A dunk is the highest percentage shot you can take. If you can attempt them and convert efficiently, is that hurting the team?

Judging from his offensive rating and offensive win shares, I would say he's pretty reliable offensively...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/howardw01.html

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Jeff reply to Mike P on May 10 at 10:58
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And secondly, did you see the damage he did to Sammy (not referring to the elbow)?

I seriously don't think Orlando wants to run their offense through Dwight, with him as a scorer. The reason the Sixers made a series out of that is they almost never doubled Howard, effectively they dared Orlando to give him 40 touches, but they wouldn't. They still wanted threes, even though we weren't leaving their guys.

To me, this is SVG's biggest fault with that team. Howard is basically an afterthought, or a diversion for them. But when you call his bluff and say, "I'm going to make Howard beat me," he never allows Howard to do so.

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Jeff reply to Brian on May 10 at 11:05
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You're right about the threes, but they still go through Howard enough to coax teams into doubling up. I think Dileo's strategy was about the best he could think up from a coaching stand-point, and I think the sixers performance was arguably the best they could've given. I don't know anyone who could really say they were disappointed from that series.

You know, Mo Cheeks had a good strategy the prior season in the playoffs also, and it also hinged on Dalembert. Cheeks put Sammy on an island against Rasheed, which was a mismatch, and Detroit completely abandoned their ball movement and tried to attack that again and again. Killed the flow of their offense.

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Mike P reply to Brian on May 10 at 14:16
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Sammie the post lightning rod, haaha. Does he even have a nickname?

I'd really be happy if we could resign him to a much cheaper contract, but the guy is totally bolting Philly when he gets the chance.

Probably to Miami for cheap so he can easily go back to Haiti when he needs to.

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AaronMcKie4MVP on May 10 at 6:06
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can you guys post links when referring to websites. - Stephen a smith article? BR.com iguodala page ?

After watching the 4th qtr of the Suns-Spurs game, can't see why Doug Collins would want to coach in Philly. He's an outstanding color man. I'd put him right behind Hubie. He also stated that whoever defends the pick & roll best would win the game. Has he seen the Sixers defend the pick & roll???


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