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6mauro4 on Nov 13 at 5:34
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You didn't mentioned the FT %; in the 3rd with better FT % we were up by 4-5. In the last quarter Collins did another mistake: he didn't explore the missmatch Jrue vs Barrea

Kevin Love's line tonight. Wow. I think we can pretty much forget any prospect of trading for him at this point.

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deepsixersuede on Nov 13 at 8:19
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I thought Hawes played well tonight, I counted 4 shots he changed with help defense but going small, in spite of its advantage quickness wise, against Dallas isn't a good solution. Spieghts and Battie needed to play more against this front line but Spieghts must of done something to piss our coach off.

Thompson on Bench in Sacramento. He would supply length and athleticism. Would fit net to Brand and our other Bigs. How about Lou going out west for Thompson plus filler?

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tk76 reply to sfw on Nov 13 at 9:32
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Lou is worth much more in a trade than Thompson. And unfortunately Thad is only worth about as much as Thompson.

And another offensive big who can't defend is not really the goal IMO. Although Thompson can rebound some and is skilled.

Hard to know whether thsi team can sustain their intensity through all of this losing.

The team reminds me of the pre-Jordan incarnations that started poorly and made late season runs to win 35-40 games (for better or worse.) Do people think this team will break through and start playing near .500 ball, or are they too fatally flawed, and their effort and intensity will eventually backslide to be more like their record?

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eddies' heady's reply to tk76 on Nov 13 at 11:27
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Could not sum up my feelings on the season (too fatally flawed to get to .500) better than your last sentence except for one unknown. I'm not sure how long the effort and intensity will last. Typically, I would want Iguodala or Brand to lead the rest of the pack in this, but Iguodala has looked almost disinterested thus far (for lack of a better term), and Brand does seem to still be buying in and communicating and encouraging others while on the court.

Just entirely too much youth to ever expect to succeed consistently in this league. They need a go-to guy when it's imperative to get a run-stopping basket or to take a lead when tied (ala Andre Miller), and Jrue would seem to be that player through these first nine games and especially the last two, but it sort of seems he was stunted/minimized in this role last night by Andre's return.

I think Jrue is learning to fill that role. But the "learning" part is resulting in a whole lot of inconsistency. At times he looks like an All-Star, and at other times he looks 20.

, but it sort of seems he (Jrue) was stunted/minimized in this role last night by Andre's return.

This is baseless. Jrue took just as many shots last night, in the same situations as he did when Iguodala was out. He just didn't shoot as well.

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eddies' heady's reply to Brian on Nov 13 at 14:22
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It's not baseless when you look at how much dribbling Andre did when possessing the ball and just bogging down the offensive flow as a whole.

We were watching the same game, right? Cause I watched every second and I can't think of one instance where he did what you're saying he did. I can think of a couple dribble drives where set up people on the inside. Can't think of one time when he was just dribbling on the perimeter wasting the shot clock. Most of the time, he wasn't even getting the ball until there were a few seconds left in the shot clock.

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eddies' heady's reply to eddies' heady's on Nov 13 at 14:42
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Actually, your claim of him (Jrue) not 'shooting as well' is baseless.

vs New York - he shoots 6-14

vs OKC - he shoots 5-8

vs DAL - he shoots 5-12

6/14 = 42.8%
5/8 = 62.5%
Total of 11/22 = 50% over the past two games

5/12 = 41.7%

Doesn't seem baseless to me. Nice of you to skirt the issue, though.

Not so much skirted as completely misunderstood

Now, an argument could be made about his shot selection, was it any 'worse' last night in regarding to his legitimate ranges versus the other games?

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Tray reply to GoSixers on Nov 13 at 15:32
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No, not really. Jrue was 4-4 at the rim last night. He took 4 threes and missed them all. Those are still good shots for him, though. He missed 2 shots in the 10-15 foot range, one shot in the below 10 foot range, and made 1 16-23 footer. He only took one.

So, it's more likely he had an off shooting night than 'Andre's Return'?

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Tray reply to GoSixers on Nov 13 at 18:34
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Yeah, I mean obviously if he makes a couple of those threes and a couple of shots in the intermediate range he has a 20 point game with 13 assists and no one would have anything to complain about. Now Iguodala, on the other hand, took 4 long twos (making one), three threes (missing all), and just three attempts at the rim. Not so good shot selection.

Yeah, I only remember two of Iguodala's threes. One of them was a bad shot, the other was wide-open off a drive and kick from Jrue, and he has to shoot that.

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Tray reply to Brian on Nov 13 at 19:03
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It's the four long twos that are more of a problem. I think he's only shooting 33% from that range this season. Usually he's more up at 38%, but still, not good shots.

It's not a good shot at 38% imo. It's not a good shot at 48%, either. Hate the long twos.

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Tray reply to Brian on Nov 13 at 19:24
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A 48% shot's a good shot.

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eddies' heady's reply to Tray on Nov 13 at 20:30
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It sure is.

0.96 points/possession is not good. Iguodala's threes are better shots than a 48% long two.

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Tray reply to Brian on Nov 13 at 20:51
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Yeah, well that's sort of faulty logic. You don't want an offense to average 0.96 points per possession. That's why you want an offense to take lots of free-throws and threes. However, it's impossible to solely take shots at the basket, shots from beyond the arc and free throws. As non-layups, non three-pointers, and non-foul shots go, a 48% shot is really great. If this team actually shot 48% from the field, it'd have a really good offense.

Not if they were all long twos.

A 48% long two is a really high percentage terrible shot. It's not going to get you to the line, it's not worth three points. It's worth exactly 0.96 points, while a three or a shot at the rim is worth a good deal more. If you're running offense designed to get you 0.96 points-per-possession, you're failing. If you're talking about a bailout, last second attempt, then yes, it's a good shot.

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Tom Moore on Nov 13 at 13:18
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