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Game 28 Thread: PHI @ CHI

hey guys,

i am down in Bogota and my NBA league pass is not working. Does anyone have a link for tonight's game that i can try?


I'm drawing a complete blank on the name of that site. atdhe.net maybe? Someone mentioned it on here a couple times, pretty sure they have all the games. Hopefully someone will be around w/ a working link.

johnrosz reply to csth on Dec 21 at 20:03

Heh. Van Gundy has Turk starting at the four. Jameer, Redick, Richardson, Turk, Howard.

its just multicolored boxes on the screen

eddies' heady's on Dec 21 at 20:08

Jrue better buckle his belt tonight in trying to keep up with Rose and his penetration and at times relentless attacking.

And we're off!!

Hawes wins the tip.

Heh, nice D on the pick-and-roll by CHI. Iguodala uncontested slam.

Ugh, Jrue picks up his first foul already, on Deng no less.

Hate the Hawes jumper on second possession.

Good D that time, Rose hits the three anyway.

Hawes on Boozer? Don't like that.

Court_visioN reply to Brian on Dec 21 at 20:18

i don't mind hawes on boozer. lets brand roam a little bit.

Boozer doesn't mind it either. He's eating him alive.

eddies' heady's on Dec 21 at 20:16

Too much one on one from us on O so far.

Ugh. Bad start.

Jodie for three, I'll take it.

Nice charge drawn by Jrue.

Meant Jodie.

Iguodala's jumper is dropping.

eddies' heady's on Dec 21 at 20:19

Aw, that deflected off the bulls player after Jrue hit it.

Pretty play. Give and go for the oop, JH to AI to JH.

Bulls 8/11 to start the game, with 2 offensive rebounds. That's not quite good defense on the Sixers' part.

Fuck me. Jrue picked up his second on another switch onto Deng.

eddies' heady's on Dec 21 at 20:24

Jrue with 2 early one, uh-oh. Lou time. Please be good.

Lou on Rose, ugh.

Court_visioN reply to Brian on Dec 21 at 20:25

on cue, lou fouls rose.

If both Lou and Jrue get into foul trouble, Doug has to go with Turner at the point, right?

You'd think so.

Thad in for Brand.

Never seen Iguodala fall for that rake-through before.

This is bad. Very, very bad.

Court_visioN on Dec 21 at 20:28

rough start. they need to shore up their pick and roll D. Switching and doubling aren't working.

No offense being run at all w/ Lou at the point.

Even when the Bulls miss, we can't grab a fucking rebound.

Court_visioN reply to Brian on Dec 21 at 20:30

Turner time, please.

eddies' heady's on Dec 21 at 20:30

Gonna be a long night if Doug doesn't make some serious adjustments.

So what's Doug's panic sub? Nocioni over Turner, I think.

Court_visioN reply to Brian on Dec 21 at 20:34

bad bet, lol

Bad start. Lou at the point is a joke. Through Turner in there on Rose. Boozer and Hawes is scary, too.

btw--thx for the link. I'm hooked up!

He switched Meeks onto Rose, see if that helps.

Brand back in for Hawes and on Boozer.

Turner in at the next opportunity.

Turner in for Meeks.

I think I've counted about 50 pump fakes for Lou so far, thought he cut that shit out of his game.

Turner on Rose.

Court_visioN on Dec 21 at 20:35

did the bulls announcer just tell elton brand to hit the weight room? haven't heard that one in years.

Terrible first quarter.

PHI 19, CHI 33

eddies' heady's on Dec 21 at 20:36

Bulls shooting just like the Celts did in the last game, hitting nearly everything.

Court_visioN reply to eddies' heady's on Dec 21 at 20:39

they're making more than their share of contested jumpers, but there's a lot of wide open looks at the rim too.

There's Nocioni, great.

Brand doing some work. Need to ride that while the rook is on him.

eddies' heady's on Dec 21 at 20:39

We must take advantage of their bench being in the game to have any chance tonight it seems.

eddies' heady's on Dec 21 at 20:40

Good hustle by Thad to get that o-board.

Nice, Thad. Two o-boards right there. Need that type of effort if you're going to come back.

Court_visioN on Dec 21 at 20:40

atta boy thad

Lou Williams' head fake might be the worst "move" in the league. We'd be so much better off with a veteran PG playing 10-15 minutes a game and Turner getting 20-25 minutes at SG right now.

Court_visioN on Dec 21 at 20:41

i hope aaron mckie just told turner "if you're just going to pass the ball along the perimeter, why do we need you on the floor? be aggressive."

Court_visioN on Dec 21 at 20:43

good rotation by turner, someone in the paint goofed that one up.

Yay. Nocioni long two.

Fuck me. This is just ugly.

Court_visioN on Dec 21 at 20:46

horrible offense. brand keeping the team within striking distance. iguodala needs to get back in ASAP.

67% from the floor for Chicago.

eddies' heady's on Dec 21 at 20:47

Damn, they can't miss any jumpers. Wide open off of picks. geez

Court_visioN on Dec 21 at 20:47

if nocioni isn't hitting his threes why is he still on the floor?

Good question.

Can't buy a stop. This feels more like a EJ game than a Doug game.

That turnover by Turner was just horrible. I mean, that pass doesn't get through there in a high school game.

Court_visioN on Dec 21 at 20:49

Sixers trying to imitate the Eagles. They want a 30 point 4th quarter comeback too.

mgfields on Dec 21 at 20:49

Is there a rule that Turner has to play with Lou at the point?

Court_visioN on Dec 21 at 20:50

wow stacey king ballooned!

Alright, the Bulls are going cold on those jumpers, need to keep letting them take them and put points on the board on the other end.

Nocioni got bailed out there. terrible drive. He's about as quick on the dribble as I am.

Court_visioN on Dec 21 at 20:51

should have been a charge IMO. nocioni got lucky.

Get Nocioni the fuck out of there.

Court_visioN on Dec 21 at 20:54

WTF was nocioni doing? In that situation fade to the corner!!

eddies' heady's on Dec 21 at 20:55

I wish we cut as hard as CHI does when on offense. They're so aggressive and hard with their cuts off the ball.

Hawes for Nocioni.

Court_visioN on Dec 21 at 20:55

man i wish nocioni and korver would trade jerseys.

Huge lineup for the Sixers here.

Turner, Iguodala, Thad, Brand, Hawes.

Court_visioN on Dec 21 at 20:56

turner posting on rose, got blocked.

Come on, single digits by the half, then regroup.

What do people seen in Turner?

I am not calling him a bust but he looks absolutely lost and doesn't seem to show the slightest bit of an improvement since the year started. If anything he looks like he has regressed some.

He's lost. There's not much to see at all right now.

Bulls are scoring on almost every possession. That's not gonna get it done.

eddies' heady's on Dec 21 at 21:02

So disappointing Turner can't even create for himself or others at even backup PG.

Court_visioN on Dec 21 at 21:03

backpicks killing the sixers right now. wide open looks at the rim. add that to the fact that philly can't do anything offensively, especially w/o jrue.

eddies' heady's on Dec 21 at 21:04

They're on pace for 120, we're due for 80. Looks like it's gonna take a miracle to put a W in the column after this one.

Need more driving like Iguodala just did. Also need less losing Korver for threes.

Alvin reply to Brian on Dec 21 at 21:06

Losing Korver for 3 is criminal, especially for us.

Court_visioN on Dec 21 at 21:04

20 point deficit on korver's 3.

Pretty much the worst first half we've seen this season.

PHI 43, CHI 61

Alvin reply to Brian on Dec 21 at 21:08

the hope is that Doug will be able to make some adjustments in the second half. Hopefully having Jrue back in, he'll avoid foul trouble, stablize the offense and help the defense.

deficit seems a bit too big at this point though

Court_visioN on Dec 21 at 21:06

iguodala doing everything he can to get points up on the board. defense still nonexistent, down 18 at the half.

RicBucher: Bulls, w/out Taj or Noah, having their way w/76ers. Phi pulling Iguodala off trade block to chase a playoff spot may be short-lived plan. 38 minutes ago

Flash back 4 years ago...
Rose and ET were bother HS seniors in Chicago. Rose was the big time prospect and Turner not so much.

Those two are the same age and light years apart in talent right now. Maybe Turner will close the gap in a few years- but I'm not sure I can convince myself he will. Sure he'll improve, but the difference between the two is so much that they should not be put in the same sentence.

tk76 reply to tk76 on Dec 21 at 21:19

Bother should read "both"

Rose and ET were bother HS seniors in Chicago. Rose was the big time prospect and Turner not so much.

I'm confused, 4 years ago Rose was a big prospect and Turner wasn't. What's your point about there being a gap? No shit, there's a gap, there always will be. Rose was a #1 pick for a reason

I had a couple people telling me Turner was the better player when they were seniors. They emailed me when we drafted Turner.

tk76 reply to Brian on Dec 21 at 21:33

Read the old news clippings. Turner thought he was being disrespected because Wall got all the pub. No one ouutside his school thought he was n Rose's league. He was not a top 30 national prospect.

I'm not taking away from what Turner built himself into at OSU. I'm just saying he's the #2 overall pick, but I can name a bunch of players in his HS class that seem like they will be much better players- or at least are right now.


tk76 reply to GoSixers on Dec 21 at 21:29

They were both top 2 overall selections in the NBA draft. They are the same age. Why such a big gap? Shouldn't a #2 overall pick be in the same league as Rose? Generally speaking #1's are a notch above, but all top 5 picks should be elite prospects.

eddies' heady's reply to tk76 on Dec 21 at 21:34

Hold up - at one point, didn't you tell me that 'my' expectations were too high? Now all top 5 picks should be elite prospects?

Are you starting to come around on ET, but at that time of the statement were still a firm believer?

You know better to compare across drafts like that so either someone has hacked your account, your drunk or you've had an aneurysm

mgfields on Dec 21 at 21:18

They shouldn't be tired should they? They are on the road, but haven't played since Saturday.

There's adjustment #1. Quick double of Boozer w/ a big. Causes a turnover.

Court_visioN on Dec 21 at 21:23

i'm liking the defensive adjustment i just saw. go under the screen on rose pick and rolls.

still have nothing on offense though.

Third time Thomas stripped EB.

Holiday's layup was falling and Hawes pulled a Dalembert.

Court_visioN on Dec 21 at 21:25

24 point deficit. ugh.

They are making Kurk Thomas look like KG

this is lame. im tryin to talk smack to a bunch of chi dudes and gettin laughed at

You're right, trying to talk smack is lame

Here is the heart of my concern about Turner:

This past years draft class was lousy (after Wall.) In a normal year Turner would not have been the consensus #2- meaning he would have had to do competitive pre-draft workouts like everyone else. And in that setting he would have been exposed/abused (base on his performance since the draft.) So IMO in a "normal draft class" Turner would have quickly slipped from a top 5 guy to a late lottery pick.

So say current (22 year old) Turner entered the draft in 2008 (with his HS classmates Rose, Mayo, Gordon etc.) Turner would have had to go against those guys.... I think even 22 year old Turner once exposed in workouts gets picked in the top 14?

1. CHI -- Derrick Rose
2. MIA -- Michael Beasley
3. MIN -- O.J. Mayo
4. SEA -- Russell Westbrook
5. MEM -- Kevin Love
6. NYK -- Danilo Gallinari
7. LAC -- Eric Gordon
8. MIL -- Joe Alexander
9. CHA -- D.J. Augustin
10. NJN -- Brook Lopez
11. IND -- Jerryd Bayless
12. SAC -- Jason Thompson
13. POR -- Brandon Rush
14. GSW -- Anthony Randolph

Jason reply to tk76 on Dec 21 at 21:33

On realGM this came up in a thread and Derek Bodner posted

"He was #7 in DX back in February 2009, and #12 all the way back to 2008. He was in a similar place with Chad Ford."

Steve reply to tk76 on Dec 21 at 21:39

That 2008 draft was loaded. Blake Griffin stayed in school for another year, and even he probably wouldn't have gone in the top 5 since he wasn't regarded as that great of a freshman...

that's about 6 long twos in a row for them.

this is just awful.

Quick hook for Jrue again. He had a bad turnover.

Court_visioN reply to Brian on Dec 21 at 21:34

lou just had a horrible TO too... he got yanked as well.

Mo Speights in - throwing in the towel?

I love Iggy but damn it's like I expect him to miss both free throws every time he goes to the line.

Then you should pay more attention to his career FT%

OK, so Lou has made consecutive turnovers just as bad as the one Jrue did to get sent to the bench. How much rope does Lou get?

Not a whole lot more rope. Turner in for Lou with the savior, Battie.

man speights is just bad. really really bad.

Alvin reply to joeykey on Dec 21 at 21:37

really bad.

johnrosz on Dec 21 at 21:34

Elton got stuffed by the rim.

[insert random 'I hate Lou' comment]

Wonder if they're going to lose this by 40.

Court_visioN on Dec 21 at 21:36

WOW battie just throws it away after a stop.

That was Speights. The announcers were wrong.

eddies' heady's on Dec 21 at 21:37

For all the pining done about Turner should have gotten minutes vs LAL on Fri night, he's sure to get plenty garbage time minutes tonight.

Court_visioN on Dec 21 at 21:38

can't get into any offense, this is ridiculous.

40 sounds about right

hold up gotta go find my paper bag

Get Iguodala out of there, you've got another one tomorrow.

eddies' heady's reply to Brian on Dec 21 at 21:40

Totally agree, and Brand too.

Who threw the pass for that last turnover?

Shit, and that one. I missed both.

Court_visioN reply to Brian on Dec 21 at 21:40

iguodala, for both.

Court_visioN on Dec 21 at 21:40

now they're just trying too hard.

trying too hard to lose badly it feels like.

Down 40.

Hmmn, this one may put a bit of dent into the Sixers differential.

They're just not a very good team :)

tk76 reply to Brian on Dec 21 at 23:11

Home/road diff must be interesting...

I mean the Sixers have had some really bad losses before, but damn this one is just awful. I have no words for it.

johnrosz on Dec 21 at 21:43

this is only really the 2nd time this has happened this year. This type of thing was the norm last year. Just get the starters out and try again tomorrow.

This may be the worst performance I've ever seen by a Sixers team. I feel sick to my stomach with anger and embarrassment.

Vs. Houston, at home, a couple years back when Van Gundy was coaching the Rockets. That was worse than this one, so far.

Alvin reply to Brian on Dec 21 at 21:51

this shows things could be worse.

it is a good sign that it seems i managed to wipe that game out of my memory somehow.

Please let ET play point the whole 4th quarter.

Speights cuts it to 38 with a buzzer beater off nice Turner penetration. Yay.

PHI 54, CHI 92

mgfields on Dec 21 at 21:47

Time to give Jrue and Evan some burn together.

Doubt it. Nocioni needs minutes.

Songaila sighting.

Haha Speights is too garbage for garbage time now.

eddies' heady's on Dec 21 at 21:53

ET needs to go and try those passes in the D-League

Time for me to turn off Tweet Deck. Bad enough I have to watch this, don't need to read the idiot masses talking about it.

Don't forget what the first four letters of twitter spell

I really fucking hate games like this. Spend all day excited for the game, sit down, exhausted, ready to watch some competitive basketball. Whole night is ruined.

Alvin reply to Brian on Dec 21 at 22:00

Exactly man. Whole day is ruined.

Not that it matters, but Watson shuffled his feet and switched pivot feet before they called the foul on Jrue.

Two years in a row where the second round pick in the draft is a bust. Has that happened before.

Both juniors by the way. Turner does not pick the profile of the sixers typical draft pick. They usually take the youngest player with the most upside. Turner is not that...

Yes, he's a bust after less than 30 games.

Good to know Chicago fans are as racist as Boston fans.

jkay reply to Brian on Dec 21 at 22:03

huh? cos of Scalabrine coming in?

this game cant end soon enough

Philadelphia is a pretty racist city as well

Remember Dei Lynam telling us that Songaila was a great pro and really going to help this team? I do.

Have some fucking pride. Do not lose this game by 50+ points.

Safe to say the Sixers drop out of the top ten in Hollinger's rankings as soon as this game goes final.

Jrue has zero assists. Zero.

im scared for the celts game. i know we all been thinkin that

I didn't think they had a chance tomorrow night before this game started

eddies' heady's on Dec 21 at 22:33


Or is it now Terrible Turner?

Trade. Him. Please.

At least his mom got to see his crappy weak ass game at this level in person. Kudos

Can't play shooting guard, below average at point guard (backup), would get eaten alive at SF, what good is he?

He makes Royal Ivey look like a capable backup point and 3 pt specialist. Just sayin'

Michael T reply to eddies' heady's on Dec 21 at 22:54

Just sayin' - you are a fucking tool and you post the same tired shit over and over again.

eddies' heady's reply to Michael T on Dec 21 at 23:53

Ad hominem?
come out from behind the alias, it's ok, i dont bite

Michael T reply to eddies' heady's on Dec 22 at 1:03

Come out from behind the alias? I guess your mother named you eddies' heady's?

I'm not arguing with your Turner comments, I was just stating the obvious - that you are an unoriginal douche bag.

Brian, let me know if you want this turned into a Turner post...

About my Turner comments- I'm not anti-Turner. I just think a strange set of circumstances came together that led him to being last year's #2 overall pick. And in 2-3 years it won't matter where he was drafted. He will be a player judged by what he does on the floor and not where he was picked. And hopefully he figures out the NBA game to where he is an asset on the floor.

Right now I'm more focussed on the cascade of events that led him to be the #2 pick. I listed the factors above. Turner built himself into a tremendous college player- in an era where most top guys are one and done. He also was shielded from direct pre-draft competition when he was tabbed as the consensus #2 pick. And his draft class was pretty weak IMO.

So here is my question:

I think it is fair to compare current 22 year old NBA players. Sure each has there own learning curve, experiences and opportunities. But overall its probably the most fair group to compare right now- since they all should be at an age where there talent shows but they still have room to grow. Certainly more fair than comparing guys who are 3 years apart in age.

Lets looks at guys within 1 year of Turner (who just turned 22). So guys within 6 months of his birthday on either side of 22. Where picked in (). This seems to be a tremendously talented group. If you had to draft these guys today based on all available knowledge, how would you rank them? I'll give it a shot:

1. Durant (2)
2. Wall (1)
3. Griffin (1)
4. Love (5)
5. Westbrook (4)
6. E. Gordon (7)
7. Lopez (10)
8. Batum (25)
9. Mayo (3)
10. Hickson (19)
11. Gallinari (6)
12. Turner (2)
13. Thad Young (12)
14. Harden (3)
De'Andre Jordan
Flynn (6)
Beasley (2)
Pat Patterson

This is a ton of talent and high picks considering we are basically only looking at guys born within 1 year (21,5 - 22.5 years old today.)

Where would you "draft" Turner in this group of his peers (by age?)

Yeah, go ahead. Flesh it out a little and send it to me. I'm going to try to get some distance for a little while. This game has me fuming.

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