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"Not even if, but once Collins figures out how to get this version of Turner and Iguodala on the floor in the same game, "


I really think all that needs to happen is give Iguodala the role that everyone has talked about him thriving in on another more "talented" team. He's not needed to score anymore, it is evident by the past 3 games that he can play a similar role to the one he played on team USA. Real kicker here would be if his injury is serious.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2f4dmz5 Sixers throw in a top 3 protected first. Put Nazr in there b/c of his size, not necessary part of the deal. Worth the gamble?

Tyrus' contract concerns me, but that's a big time shot. Depends on what CHA is looking to do right now. I think I'd probably do it.

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Marty reply to Jason on Jan 1 at 8:34
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Would love that trade. I think Tyrus would be a perfect fit with this team. Can't imagine Jordan would make the deal though, since its basically a straight contract dump. Not sure if that's the image he's trying to project. Here's one I came up with this morning:

Igoudala to IND for Ford, Foster, and George. We get a backup PG and big for the rotation (and both are expirings) and a 20-yr old SF who I think has some potential. Not sure how he fits into the plans with Granger there, though. Igoudala would give them a nice defensive-minded SG to fit between Collison and Granger, plus they have Hibbert coming around up front. Could see them being players for David West this summer too.

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khouse reply to Jason on Jan 1 at 8:55
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How about this which would essentially be Lopez for Meeks. With their glut of centers, Phoenix may be interested in moving him...

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=287t7ag

That is a no brainer for us, but there is no way the Suns would trade their best two young assets for Hawes and Meeks.

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sta reply to khouse on Jan 1 at 11:28
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That is straight up highway robbery

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Coatesvillain on Jan 1 at 1:43
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I think the reason people tend to underrate Jrue is because he's not a flashy player. Even when he takes over a game it doesn't shine in highlights like some other PGs. I was a guy who was against the pick of him and now I'm a huge fan.

With Iguodala I think that they need to get behind Turner and convince him it's okay to be aggressive when Iguodala plays.

I don't think many people underrate Jrue. What do you consider a underrating him?

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Vaughn on Jan 1 at 2:11
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You can see some of the pieces of a contending team are there already. There are still some guys getting plenty of burn who have no place in contender's rotation, but this team is already a tough out on most nights.

Even as I cheered the Holiday pick, I never thought he would be this good this soon. The distance between Jrue and the absolute top PGs in the lead is not that great, and it appears to be closing night to night.

i have doubts about 3 because we're yet to see a game where JTI shine together. But we're gradually getting a glimpse of who Turner can be these last two games, and I like what I saw.

Mostly, though, just the heart this Sixers squad showed out there tonight, is tremendous.

Happy New Year!

I like how you put star in quotes. Anyway, why do I think that a second-year guard who's never scored 30 in a game, or had 14 assists (a little over Rondo's average) is probably not #1 option on a championship team material, and/or best player on a championship team material? If you want my short answer, why was it fairly obvious that the 20-year-old Tony Parker was not destined to be a superstar? My long answer is that, while it's true that he can do all the things you say, there's a fair number of players out there who do all these things better. Take shooting. He's actually a slightly below-average shooter from three for a point guard, slightly above average on long twos. So for right now at least, shooting doesn't look like his meal ticket to MVP contention; he's merely ordinary in that respect. Scoring? The most efficient way to score is to shoot a free-throw; not surprisingly, most of the elite scoring point guards get to the line nearly twice as much as he does - and that's not in absolute terms, that's FTA/FGA. That probably goes up some - but it never has for Rose and Rondo, so you can't say it's all a matter of lack of cred with the refs. (Nor, interestingly, is it necessarily the case that getting to the rim a lot and drawing fouls go hand in hand; Billups draws more fouls per shot than any point guard in the league, while Rose is very bad at it.) He currently doesn't have much of a mid-range game at all. The one thing he does really well is get to the basket and finish; he's 8th among point guards in layups and dunks and that will go up the more he gets the ball. However, guess who's right up there with him; Conley and Lawson. Well ahead of him are players like Evans and Stuckey and Parker, and at the two, players like Stephen Jackson, Barbosa, Carter, and Jason Richardson - most of whom finish more efficiently than he does. The moral of the story being that being a great finisher is just one small aspect of being a great scorer; without more you're a very incomplete player. Then there's passing, at which he's good but not great; there's very little sign of his being the next Chris Paul. Wall's already shown more promise as a playmaker. Now, that would be okay, as far as his one day being the superstar we need, if he were likely to develop into a great scorer like a Rose or a Westbrook, but as I've suggested, that seems unlikely. He doesn't have the speed or elite athleticism to be a dominant scorer around the rim, like a Westbrook, Parker, Evans or Rose, nor does he currently have anything approaching the diversity to his offensive game he would need to be more of a Deron Williams type of scorer at the point. He finishes well and often (but not incredibly often) and he shoots at an average clip; that's about it. Nor is he a great shooter. What I think Jrue probably will be is a version of Tony Parker that defends, passes, and shoots better, but still scores less efficiently due to lacking Parker's quickness and phenomenal mid-range game. If you look at their second seasons, they're pretty similar. Admittedly, the mid-range game is something Jrue could acquire; Parker didn't come into the league with his floater. That said, of all the many point guards who came into the league w/o a great mid-range game, Parker's one of the very few who managed to develop one once he got there. It's not something that necessarily or usually comes with experience.

You are aware that you just compared a 20 year old kid with much older veterans right?

Besides noone says Jrue will be elite (or best in the league) in anything. The best thing about him is that he can do everything above average. There are not a lot of players that are like that, almost all of the aforementioned players have glaring weaknesses in their games, even though some may be elite in some aspects. Now i don't think he can be anything close to an MVP caliber player, but a best player on a contender is certainly possible. I'm actually pleasantly surprised just how much he has improved offensively. He just needs to learn how to play smarter basketball, learn how to use his size better, play more consistently, get to the FT line more often and take care of the ball. Those are all things that will come as he gets more experienced.

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T McL reply to Tray on Jan 1 at 11:23
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Tray, just not your best post. I find it amazing you would research some of these numbers/concepts to this degree and not consider the many other factors which impact them. He will never be MVP, may only make 1 3rd team All-NBA (if any), but there are a lot of guys in the league who will want to play with him. He was an absolute gift at the 17th pick, and we are lucky to have him.

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T McL reply to T McL on Jan 1 at 11:30
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Just read your post again... did you really use Tyreke Evans, Leandro Barbosa, and Rodney Stuckey as benchmarks for how good Jrue isn't?

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T McL reply to T McL on Jan 1 at 11:32
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alright,read it again, not a fair criticism from me... I'm just still drunk from last night and not comprehending anything.

You're infatuation with these arbitrary benchmarks is just foolish sometimes. I guess it's the future lawyer in you that's always looking for precedent. But anyway, I'll play along.

Jrue played his 106th game tonight (it was his 84th start).

Rondo didn't have 14 assists in a game until his 131st game (88th start), and then not again until his 189th game (146th start).

Rondo didn't score 30 points in a game until his 212th game (159th start). The 30-point benchmark is kind of funny, considering Jrue has scored 29 and 28 already, so that extra point would've really made his case. Moving on.

Tony Parker had 14 assists 1 time in his first five seasons in the league (game #182). He scored 30+ 3 times in his second season and not again until his 4th.

Deron Williams topped 14 assists for the first time in his 87th game, topped 30 points for the first time in his 119th. (all starts)

Chris Paul topped 14 assists in his 53rd game. Topped 30 points in his 83rd game (all starts).

Derrick Rose got 14 assists in his 163rd game. 30 points in his 106th (all starts)

Steve Nash didn't get 14 assists until his 249th game (90th start), didn't score 30 points until his 279th games (120th start).

It's interesting that you set the bar at 14 assists. Jrue has had 13 assists 4 times in his first 84 starts, so again, that extra one would've put him in elite company by your standards.

Oh, and Jrue is also younger than every single one of the guys mentioned above were when they made their 84th start, in some cases, several years younger. Those guys were also playing on more talented teams, which you'd assume would lead to more assists.

As for the rest of your argument, 40% from mid-range, 60+% at the rim, 36% from three. Those are all good numbers for a PG, and all numbers you'd expect to get better over time. His usage rate is increasing and his shooting numbers are improving. That's a very good sign for a young PG. His assist-to-turnover ratio is getting better, he's getting to the line much more frequently, and shooting a better percentage from the line.

Basically, he's making strides pretty much across the board and showing a propensity to carry the team when it's needed, how it's needed. Either by scoring himself, or getting the ball to teammates when they need it, where they need it. This isn't a guy who's flatlining at 23, it's a kid who's improving across the board, at 20, and being asked to play a bigger role by the day and excelling in it.

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Mike P on Jan 1 at 4:53
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Jrue just needs to have the ball ALL the time. He needs to control the game.

Iggy still has that "I have to score, I have to be the leader of the team mentality" it seems. No I didn't say he was bad, calm down. But all those clanked jumpers early in the shot clock hurt the team so much.

Like you said, he needs to just be the team USA iggy. That is his true purist form. Let Jrue take the reigns and use all your skills to support him to the fullest.

Jrue is going to be special. He just needs to have the ball because he is the type of PG that controls the game completely.

I'm so quite close to dropping some fat cash to get an authentic jersey. I know I will totally regret it later when the Sixers brass does something stupid like get the first pick and draft Kyrie Irving or a little Iverson esque shooting guard to put next to him.

Imagine if he had an actual big man to finish around the rim? At least we have plenty of time to build around him.

Happy New year everyone!

What a wonderful job the Sixers coaching staff is doing. A year ago this was a dumb team who didn't understand their roles and WOW! What a difference a year/coaching staff makes! Without your top all around veteran they compete with the Lakers for 48 minutes. Young players stepping up. Vets helping to keep them together.

Last night Meeks was star struck. Elton struggled offensively but gave major defensive effort among the giant Laker front court.

Hawes all of a sudden has tightened his shot selection making for some more productive offensive posessions. It's a shame we have just this year for evaluation of Thad & Hawes. Hawes with improved foot work on 'D' just might be a serviceable center in the NBA and Thad is actually stepping up to be a major piece on a winning NBA team.
Seems to me we need another shooter/scorer(Turner?) to stretch the court and one more defensive big(really BIG) in our rotation at the 4/5 positions to take a real step forward in the league.

Not sure how to make that happen but really enjoying the effort and improved play on the court.

Thanks DC! Happy New Year! Go Sixers!

http://www.nba.com/games/20101231/PHILAL/gameinfo.html?ls=gt2hp0021000483#nbaGIboxscore

Check out the game highlights... around the 50 second mark the announcer drops the F bomb

So I"m the only one wondering why Evan's idea of challenging Kobe's shot is kind of putting his hand up but never leaving his feet even when Kobe does?

Kobe's looks at the end of the game were easy

Had he jumped Kobe would've found a way how to get a foul out of it. Staying on the ground was the right choice and that looked like good defense to me.

Can someone explain to me why, exactly, we don't think Jrue can be the "star" this team needs?

Jrue would be a lot of things. It doesn't look like Jrue is going to be a star probably because he is a below average NBA point guard.

He's got the requisite tangibles (maybe not elite athleticism, but close and his size makes the difference at his position).

He has good size.


He can shoot,

Averageish

he can score off the dribble

averageish

he can take games over with his scoring

He does shoot a little more than most PGs.

his dribble-penetration, his passing and his defense (though this needs to become more consistent).

He turns it over too way too much. His defense is pathetic at times.

This kid is 20-years-old and he's dominating games.

No, he isn't. In fact, at times he kills this team with his careless plays.

What am I missing?

The fact that Jrue Holiday isn't an average player yet let alone a "star" in the making.

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Rich reply to Joe on Jan 1 at 13:06
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Oh man where is this coming from? I don't really even know what a "star" means in the NBA today (is there a certain number player you would have to be?) but why are you so down on Jrue?

First off, the guy is 20 years old. He's an average player right now, but you don't think he'll progress even a little in the next say 5 years? If he even does a little, he'll be above average because some guys ahead of him on the grand PG scale will be on their way out of the league.

Most of his turnovers are careless, 'I haven't played enough NBA basketball' TOs. They will lessen with times His defense is a little overrated, but he defends the hardest position in basketball. I don't know if pathetic is the word I'd use.

He's the second best player on the team and it's his second year in the league. I'd love to have him killing the team into the long-term future.

This is really unbelievable. How can you jump to those conclusions when you are talking about a 20 year old kid and one of the youngest players in the league.

Just a quick comparison of Jrue with your beloved young star point guards at the age of 20.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=holidjr01&y1=2011&p2=rosede01&y2=2009&p3=rondora01&y3=2007&p4=westbru01&y4=2009

Jrue is not behind in anything and is a much better shooter than any of them were at the time. And they have all improved their jumpshots significantly.

It's no surprise people are ready to conclude things about Jrue

They were ready to conclude things about Jrue when he was drafted, some are ready to conclude things about Evan Turner already and people still can't get past what Iguodala is as opposed to what they want him to be.

Makes being a fan fun

Jrue would be a lot of things. It doesn't look like Jrue is going to be a star probably because he is a below average NBA point guard.

I assume you're using only WP as your basis for this. The fact that he's nearly doubled his production in WP48 from age 19 to age 20 doesn't lead you to believe he'll wind up somewhere north of average by the time he hits his prime? Perhaps well above average. Perhaps, star level?

He has good size.

Pretty sure I said that. He's also got good ballhandling skills, excellent change-of-pace with the ball in his hands, and excellent lateral quickness.


He can shoot, Averageish

Above average from both 16-23 and 3-point range for PGs who play more than 25 minutes/game.

He can score off the dribble: averageish
69.6% of his scores are not assisted on, again, better than average.


he can take games over with his scoring: He does shoot a little more than most PGs.

This is false. 14.2 FGA/40 min is 22nd of 37 PGs who play more than 25 minutes/game.


He turns it over too way too much. His defense is pathetic at times.

How are you defining "way too much?" His assist-to-turnover ratio is 2.38 this season, which is better than Devin Harris, Derrick Rose, Russell Westbrook, Brandon Jennings and many, many others. His assist-to-turnover ratio has also climbed from 1.79 in his rookie season, a dramatic improvement. His defense is way too erratic, a point I conceded above.

This kid is 20-years-old and he's dominating games.: No, he isn't. In fact, at times he kills this team with his careless plays.

By my count, he's been very good to excellent in 11 games. So 1/3 of the games he's played. He's had about 6 or 7 where his play has legitimately hurt the team.

What am I missing?: The fact that Jrue Holiday isn't an average player yet let alone a "star" in the making.

WP is pretty much the only metric that has him below average, and barely, but that's not really the point. He's gone from a 19-year-old, below-average PG who shows the rare flash of brilliance to a 20-year-old average PG who shows consistent flashes of brilliance. You're looking at him as a below-average PG with no context at all. If he was 25 and producing at this level, then fine, you've got an argument. When you're talking about a 20-year-old who's stepping into a bigger role and upping his production, I think it's silly to measure him against veterans and say, "See, he's not as good as these guys so he never will be."

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Joe reply to Brian on Jan 1 at 20:58
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I assume you're using only WP as your basis for this. The fact that he's nearly doubled his production in WP48 from age 19 to age 20 doesn't lead you to believe he'll wind up somewhere north of average by the time he hits his prime? Perhaps well above average. Perhaps, star level?

WP and Win shares both have him marginally below average. PER has him marginally above average. I want to see an average PG before I start saying he has a shot at being a "star."

Above average from both 16-23 and 3-point range for PGs who play more than 25 minutes/game.

Hoopdata has him well below average from 10-15, a hair above average from 16-23 and a hair below average from 3 point range. He is an average to marginally below average shooter when compared to PGs.

69.6% of his scores are not assisted on, again, better than average.

Ok so he is a little above average there.

This is false. 14.2 FGA/40 min is 22nd of 37 PGs who play more than 25 minutes/game.

I see the PG average at 13.2. Jrue is at 14.2. Again from hoopdata.

How are you defining "way too much?" His assist-to-turnover ratio is 2.38 this season, which is better than Devin Harris, Derrick Rose, Russell Westbrook, Brandon Jennings and many, many others. His assist-to-turnover ratio has also climbed from 1.79 in his rookie season, a dramatic improvement. His defense is way too erratic, a point I conceded above.

In order to be an above average player you need to be above average at some things. He turns it over 3.2. The league average is 3.0. His ast:to is a hair above average.

By my count, he's been very good to excellent in 11 games. So 1/3 of the games he's played. He's had about 6 or 7 where his play has legitimately hurt the team.

What is the mark of "very good"? A little below average for an NBA PG, because that is probably what the measure would have to be in order to come to that conclusion based on his overall play this season.

WP is pretty much the only metric that has him below average, and barely, but that's not really the point. He's gone from a 19-year-old, below-average PG who shows the rare flash of brilliance to a 20-year-old average PG who shows consistent flashes of brilliance. You're looking at him as a below-average PG with no context at all. If he was 25 and producing at this level, then fine, you've got an argument. When you're talking about a 20-year-old who's stepping into a bigger role and upping his production, I think it's silly to measure him against veterans and say, "See, he's not as good as these guys so he never will be."

Jrue's future is hard to project. I enjoy watching the kid play. I think we have to be realistic about what he is right now and he isn't a great player. He is pretty much average. He isn't carrying this team and he isn't a star. If he doesn't improve anymore in his entire career he isn't a bad player... I think we will improve and I think he will get above average. Will he reach the level of Chris Paul, Steve Nash, Jason Kidd, Rajon Rondo? He is going to have to improve a whole lot.

Jrue's future is hard to project. I enjoy watching the kid play. I think we have to be realistic about what he is right now and he isn't a great player. He is pretty much average. He isn't carrying this team and he isn't a star. If he doesn't improve anymore in his entire career he isn't a bad player... I think we will improve and I think he will get above average. Will he reach the level of Chris Paul, Steve Nash, Jason Kidd, Rajon Rondo? He is going to have to improve a whole lot.

And I think the point you're missing is that he has improved a whole lot over his first 84 starts, and he's pretty much at where just about every very good-to-great PG in the league was at when they had his level of experience in the league (except for Chris Paul). And he's also younger than just about all of them were when they were at this point of their careers.

I don't like the sample size you're using to classify him as average (I was using all PGs with 25+ minutes/game, to take specialists and bench warmers out of the equations), but let's go with your for argument's sake. Jrue is average at just about every aspect of the game. You can look at that and say "Jeez, this kid is just average. Nothing to see here." Or you could look at it and say "Jeez, this 20-year-old kid doesn't have a single hole in his game and he's making improvements across the board while his responsibilities are growing. What's he going to be like at 24?"

And my basis for the very-good and detrimental games was a game score of 15 or better and less than 5.

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Joe reply to Brian on Jan 2 at 14:48
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I like where he is and I like where he is going. I am fine (and happy) with him as my PG going forward. At the same time, the kid is not untouchable and I'm not going to shower him with compliments until he

Not to straw man you, but he isn't "dominating games." He isn't even outplaying his counterpart PG most nights probably. In addition, he can score in all these ways you say, but some is is a little above average and some he is a little below average.

Also, there may be something to the whole more than 25 minute thing. I'm not sure I'm down with it, but I do like the idea of using medians more than means in a lot of ways. The guys at the top... Paul, Rondo, Williams, Nash, and Kidd(or Westbrook if that floats your boat moreso) tend to skew things with the averages. So Jrue could be below average but be above or around the median because of the the guys at the top(especially Paul) being so special.

So Jrue may be at the median for his position. I'll have to think that one over one of these days.

Just from a quick look at the box scores, I've got him winning 18 of 33 matchups w/ the opposing starting PG.

And when I say he's "dominating games" I don't mean he's dominating every game. I mean he's taking over certain games and dominating within that game.

- 24 points, 6 boards, 5 assists, 1 turnover.
- 20 points, 4 boards, 13 assists, 3 steals, 1 turnover.
- 29 points, 2 boards, 8 assists, 2 steals, 1 block, 0 turnovers.
- 16/7/6/1/1/2
- 17/6/7/2/1/3

Those are all examples of Jrue taking over, or dominating games. He is doing it. Not every night, by any means, and he's had a handful of dreadful games as well, but the fact that he's showing the ability on any given night to contribute across the board, in a big way, is what I'm looking at when I think he's got star potential.

I think Jrue can be that guy for us. On his two And 1 baskets did anybody see that Iggy was the first one off the bench cheering (and how he also looked like Ron Burgundy)? If turner can break out and get over being timid with Dre on the court, this is a solid team that can grow together. Right now we are really missing AI9's defense. We win this and the Golden State game with it.

This is another comparison of Jrue with the players he is compared most with in their respective second seasons.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=holidjr01&y1=2011&p2=rosede01&y2=2009&p3=rondora01&y3=2007&p4=westbru01&y4=2009

Bare in mind that Jrue and Parker are 20 years old and Billups and Williams were 22 in their sophomore seasons.

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Court_visioN on Jan 1 at 15:02
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Man, Turner really wanted the ball on that last possession where Jrue and Lou missed 3's. He was wide open too, but the encouraging thing is he wanted the ball in crunch time.

His passivity on the offensive end doesn't really stem from not wanting the ball. It's a result of him trying to play off the ball, when that really isn't his game.

What worries me slightly is that every game at least once or twice i see a possession when Turner is in prime position to be a receiver of a pass and be in a position to shoot or make a play, but they never pass him the ball. Maybe it's just a matter of more experienced guys being slightly reluctant to pass to a rookie... Lets hope that's the only reason...

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Rich reply to Xsago on Jan 1 at 15:43
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I think it's simply because he hasn't been making shots. I hope (and think) that will change if he asserts himself.

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deepsixersuede on Jan 1 at 16:02
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I think Thad should thank his lucky stars that he has a chance, if resigned, to play with 4 guys who will allow him to thrive in his ,no dribble, attack quickly, and score the ball role he is tailer made for.

Is it ironic to anybody else that Korver being moved allowed Thad more minutes and Thad has literally taken Korver's role over, albeit in a different manner.

Can ball movement become good enough here where it makes up for our 3pt. shooting amongst our 1,2 and 3? Hawes's perimeter passing skills seem less needed now and maybe a center that doesn't need touches but can set screens and finish while defending the rim is the last piece needed in our starting five.Put Bynum in our lineup and we are a 50 win team, once Turner starts playing between Iggy and Jrue.

I know we all want a star but all our players are getting better so small steps first.

Korver made defenses worry about the sixers hitting a three when no one else on the roster could.

Thad gets the ball and you're pretty sure you know what he's going to do - he's a one dimensional predictable player who really hasn't improved while he's been in the league, korver improved, was one of the best 3 point shooters and free throw shooters in the league and knows how to pass the ball.

Thad is fungible

Korver is one dimensional too, and a skillset that is fairly replaceable as well. Both outside shooting and driving to the hoop are valuable skills to have, the key is the size and length of the contract.

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deepsixersuede reply to GoSixers on Jan 1 at 16:46
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To me, Thad is as valuable to this team now as Korver ever was and he seems to be a better rebounder, defender and efficient scorer this year than years past. I agree with Derek that price is the key. I think he is worth what Korver gets now because he still has room to grow and his main skill, scoring the ball is needed with this team.

If he and Lou being able to score in bunches allows our coach to play a defensive oriented starting five, they may have to slightly overpay to keep him.

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CM reply to GoSixers on Jan 1 at 17:38
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I've been hard on Thad in the past, but he's showing improvement this year.

He's doing a better job of playing within his skill set and his efficiency has improved drastically. I feel as though he's being more physically aggressive around the rim.

I was very pessimistic about his being re-signed prior to this season, but I like the progress he's made. His RFA status will let the market set his value. His 22 year-old season compares nicely to Antawn Jamison's (thus far) - a physically similar combo forward.

Hello and happy new year everybody from Italy !!

Brian, by my count Sixers in the 4th shot 1/9 to either tie the game or go ahead (LW and ET 0/3, Jrue and Young had the other misses, while the same Thad made the only FG). I think this is something Collins has really to work on.

Also, another stat that really worries me is that we are 1-6 this year in close games (only W in Denver), with losses to Wizards (2, both unbelievable), Boston (2), Atlanta and LA.

My point is that we didn't show improvements in managing those situations, it looks like regardless of the quality of the opponent, we simply always find a way either to blow a lead or not complete the comeback and take the game.

While it's "normal" that a young squad like Sixers can struggle in the final possessions against veteran teams such as Boston or Lakers (that btw have HOF-ers with an history of hitting decisive shots) it can't be denied that we lost twice against a mediocre Wash team, with a random scrub hitting a buzzer beater AND Sixers missing their last shots (regulation or OT, I mean).

Basically the only actual game winning shot that we knocked down was Meeks at Denver. That's quite poor, even if we are not experienced etc etc.

I think this is a HUGE issue and unfortunately I don't see a solution, not even in the medium term. But you already debated this, I know...

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Old School Sixer Fan reply to Ricky - Sixers4guidos on Jan 1 at 19:19
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It has been said over and over again that the Sixers don't have a "shooting star" like Kobe who can make unbelievably difficult, well guarded shots in crunch time. That is a different player than a volume shooter/scorer who will score a lot because he takes a lot of shots. I was awed by the tough shots Kobe made last night when the game was on the line.

People are always awed by him making them... do you remember his misses too or no?

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Old School Sixer Fan reply to Joe on Jan 1 at 22:28
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I thinks he was 4 for 5 in the last couple of minutes, but I'll go check. He was hitting almost all of them while our guys were shooting well, but not great in the 4th. And Turner was all over him.

I'm NOT a Kobe fan, but was impressed.

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Old School Sixer Fan reply to Old School Sixer Fan on Jan 1 at 22:58
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OK. I checked the last 6 minutes. Kobe was 3 for 6. BUT he recovered rebounds on two of his own misses and handed our an assist. Evan Turner was right in his face on all but one of the shots. I don't like him, but wish he was closing out games for my team.

Lou Williams was good in the 4th, but missed some key shots. Evan Turner missed his last three. Maybe with time and experience they will be better, but Kobe is a class above in those situations.


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