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Court_visioN on Apr 5 at 22:35
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i think the biggest impact of this knee issue for Iguodala is the fact that he can't practice. Working in practice on his jumper and his free throws was probably all that has kept Iguodala from shooting sub 40% on a nightly basis.

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Court_visioN on Apr 5 at 22:36
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on a brighter note, really good to see Turner being aggressive on the floor. Collins needs to give him the green light to attack, whether Lou is on the floor or not.

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Tom Moore on Apr 5 at 22:37
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Sixers can't handle the Celtics:

http://ow.ly/4u0EA

This team continues to imitate the Sixer teams from 2 and 3 years ago. Start the year terrible and show a lot of fight in getting back to 500... only to fade late. Great team in Jan/Feb. Average in march, poor in April.

I guess we'll see how these next 2-3 weeks play out.

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tk76 reply to tk76 on Apr 5 at 22:53
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Sixers better win tomorrow night. They had every chance to ride momentum into the playoffs a week or so ago. But IMO they's be leaking oil for weeks. They put up a surprise win and then fail in games they should win. This last game they were expected to lose- but they did not look like much of a team out there.

I am glad ET was able to channel his inner Lou.

Ah, I'm not too worried about the loss. Iguodala just didn't look quite like himself, I'm expecting him to bounce back in a big way tomorrow. Also Thad looked like he was trying to catch a water balloon.

funny I thought Iguodala looked gimpy all night. pretty awful shots and passes from him, in addition to disappearing occasionally and PP having his way with him.
Jrue did not go 0/8 because he suddenly started to miss; the C's defense on him was very good. He kept dribbling in and out and around screens and found absolutely no path to the rim. Settled for contested jumpers. odds are he doesn't make many of those, even on a good day.

Brian, I don't share your optimistic take coming out of this game. Even with the injuries, I think we were just put in our place. As useless as Hawes was, it was not about how badly we played offense but how well they can play defense (apparently when they feel like it).


But it's good to see that teams are getting up to play the Sixers. It's encouraging to know that we will face tough competition every night.

If they don't win tomorrow's game against the Knicks, I won't forgive them.
We're better. Cement that conviction with a W. and shut up those ESPN cheerleaders.

perhaps the issue now is how Lou and not Iguodala is holding back Evan Turner. (see DC's comments on post game conference)

..........?


I think it's more of ET needs the ball in his hand. Any ball handler will Hold him back, Jrue/AI9/Lou etc.

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Court_visioN reply to Jason on Apr 5 at 23:08
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so the question becomes at what point do we say hey, evan turner is BETTER than Jrue/Iguodala/Lou and therefore should have the ball in his hands?

That's the thing i'm worried about, in college it happened by default, the upper classmen graduated. He's stuck with Jrue/Iggy.

He's not close to those guys as of this season. Tonight's performance was impressive, but the other guys usually play well with the ball in his hands too.

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Rich reply to Rich on Apr 5 at 23:16
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Second typo of the night, damn.

The other guys play better with the ball in their hands too. That's why Jodie is so damn good on this team.

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jkay reply to Jason on Apr 5 at 23:10
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yeah, I was just mocking the ridiculous argument about any player holding Turner back.
sarcasm doesn't come across well.

Eh. Turner played in every conceivable combination this season. I'm kind of tired of hearing who held him back. Turner held himself back. He was aggressive tonight, he was attacking. If he had been doing that every time he stepped on the floor this season, his time w/ the ball in his hands would've increased. He didn't, so he lost minutes. I just hope he figures out what he needs to do when he's on the floor at this point to be able to force his way into the rotation.

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MichaelT reply to Brian on Apr 5 at 23:17
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I agree that he has held himself back, but you can't really blame a rookie for deferring to veterans too much can you?

Brian, the thing is Lou doesn't pass to Turner at all (Lou either chucks or passes to Thad--he does nothing else). I'm not saying Lou held back Turner. I'm saying Turner shouldn't be expected to score double figures in 22 min when he's playing with Lou, because Turner doesn't touch the ball when he's playing with Lou. Even when Turner gets a rebound, Lou is in his face immediately to grab the ball and bring it up the court.

About half of Turner's minutes have come when Lou wasn't on the floor at all. And you're kind of missing the point. If Turner played like this when he was given the chance, Collins would've put the ball in hands more, even when Lou was out there. Every time Turner showed something this season, his role was increased as were his ballhandling responsibilities.

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johnrosz reply to Brian on Apr 6 at 0:43
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Agreed. Even if he wants to defer to veterans, he has to realize that being completely subservient to the other 4 guys renders him useless out there. If he comes out with the same aggressive mindset tomorrow, he should have himself a very good game against that porous NY defense. The problem has been that he's often reverted back to the passive/deferential style of play after a solid outing.

Fair enough. I guess in my opinion he did show a lot from the beginning of February through the GSW game. Then he lost all his minutes because he started out one game 0 for 3. So while he sometimes got more responsibility when he played well, he also lost all responsibility due to small mistakes in 5-minutes runs.

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Rich reply to Brian on Apr 6 at 1:46
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I agree with this to an extent, because I don't like a ton of excuses for Turner. But you can't say that Collins hasn't played a role.

Turner did have his role reduced rather quickly after that GS game. It's not like a lot of this isn't his fault, but Collins isn't exactly giving him a chance to shine by throwing him 10 token minutes a game with Lou handling the ball. Right now that isn't his game, he's much more effective initiating.

Looking back at your game capsules too (which are a great resource BTW), the majority of his minutes after the GS game are with Lou. I'm not sure what he'll do in Lou's absence, but while playing with Lou handling the ball probably helped the team, it sure as heck wasn't helping Turner.

Turner has been more bad than good but he did not walk into a situation that was prime for him to excel in. Just imagine the difference if he had been drafted by a team like washington where he could do whatever he wanted including probably coach the team. On the other side how many of those six plus turnover nights you think Collins would have stood for out of john wall?

My favourite matchup in the Atlantic is Hawes vs Bargnani.

Heh.

Toney Douglas absolutely killed the Raptors, who played some of the worst defense I've ever seen tonight. I also liked when the Raps cut it to 10, freaking Ed Davis fouled Amare three straight times down the floor. These were like hacks too.

You know, there's not much you can draw from this except poor shooting, because Turner did a nice job in filling in for Lou tonight. The defense wasn't great (they kind of exploited matchups, ET vs. Jeff Green came to mind), but the offense wasn't just clicking for a lot of players. There were a ton of easy, missed shots.

One thing I liked in the 1st quarter was the aggressive trap of Pierce on the pick and roll. He had trouble with it both times.

One thing that ET didn't do tonight was get to the line, he got there twice, one on a fast break where he didn't draw any contact. He isn't a good enough shooter to be an efficient scorer without getting to the line often.

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MichaelT reply to Jason on Apr 5 at 23:28
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You're right, but he did take most of his shots in the paint. I think 6 or 7 of his 9 FGs were layups. If he takes it to the rack consistently he will get to the line more.

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MichaelT reply to Jason on Apr 5 at 23:29
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You're right, but he did take most of his shots in the paint. I think 6 or 7 of his 9 FGs were layups. If he takes it to the rack consistently he will get to the line more.

Zero respect from the refs. He didn't even get a foul call on the borderline flagrant foul that sent him to the floor and nearly broke his hand on the shoulda-been an and-1 late in the 4th.

If Turner was given the same minutes as Iggy I believe he would put up very similar number on the season.

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eddies' heady's reply to KellyDad on Apr 6 at 0:37
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uh-oh....they're-a-coming...one game and lookie-lookie...lol

gotta love it..

Are you just really bored when Turner has a good game? It like cuts into over half your overused and played out material. I mean what do you have to fall back on when it happens once in a while?

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eddies' heady's reply to CB on Apr 6 at 9:17
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No, I'm not bored, just as I'm not fooled either. What do I have to fall back on after it happening once in a while? To be the bearer of news that he's still garbage or below average on this level. Willie Green has more consistency than this guy. Noc can have a good game once out of 20. Hell, Kapono could even do that. It's just meh to me.

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emtmess reply to eddies' heady's on Apr 6 at 12:11
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Thats funny you are saying that Geen, Noc, and Kapono are better than Turner right now. Thanks I needed that. :)

That's an insane assertion and ignores the fact that Iguodala is a great defender.

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johnrosz on Apr 6 at 1:02
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I thought Elton did a really terrible job staying with Garnett in the first half, he was getting open looks like it was practice off some of those pick and pops

Good point, and it's something that's probably going to be an issue if they meet in the playoffs. Fortunately, Garnett isn't the type of guy they're going to ride on the offensive end for more than a spurt or two during the game, but having something they can always go to for an easy hoop doesn't exactly scream success.

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Rich reply to Brian on Apr 6 at 1:29
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They should run that pick and pop with him more, he's an excellent mid-range jumpshooter, and a heck of a "long two" guy.

It's sad to say, but i think Hawes would of done a better job sticking with KG.

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Spencer Flaws on Apr 6 at 1:12
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I think the is a big step. Evan actually scored 20 against a top-notch defensive team this year for the first time. I agree with brian about the whole thing because evan should've just been more aggressive from the start. And eddie your a good blogger but let the kid shine for a little bit. He dropped 21 and was the only one that really played with a purpose. He had the ball in his hands and succeeded off the bench.

Any word on whether Turner injured his hand on that play where he got manhandled (borderline flagrant imo), made the shot, and got no call?

Also I'd be remiss if I didn't acknowledge Hawes' poor game. Nobody's perfect :)

Heh. Nope, haven't heard anything about Turner's hand.

Btw, the best news about tonight's game, only 7 minutes for Noc.

+1. If we can slowly reduce Noc back to his February minutes of virtually zero (20 for the month, all garbage time), maybe we'll win like in February!

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Court_visioN reply to Brian on Apr 6 at 4:00
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we did see 9 minutes of antonio daniels, though, what'd you think?

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speeke reply to Court_visioN on Apr 6 at 4:24
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can play D and handle a bit. not looking forward to him catching and shooting though

Soooo... there was another often-criticized rookie who had a good game tonight, DeMarcus Cousins : ) 15 and 15 on 6-8 shooting, 13 defensive, 3 assists. But yes, 4 turnovers and 4 fouls. The great Ed Davis had 22 and 13 on 10-14 shooting. That's his 4th 15+/10 game in the past 6. Derrick Favors had a strong game tonight against the Lakers, Monroe had 22, 14, 4 and 4 steals against a D-League team called the Wizards (whose star point guard had 26 and 12), J.J. Hickson scored the same number of points as his teammate Ryan Hollins while taking 11 more shots, Milwaukee was led in scoring by Drew Gooden (non-Gooden Bucks: 54 points combined, starting Bucks, 28 points combined), Ty Lawson got "exposed" tonight against Russell Westbrook, outscoring him 28-18. Russell was 5-17, Tywon 10-18. Rose had an awesome, MVPish game of 19, 3 and 14, 6-15 from the field, 1-5 from three. Truly a performance to remember. Somehow, the AP guy who did the wrap found a way to make it sound like he led the team to a victory by scoring 19 on 20 possessions. Evan Turner was better than him tonight. Deron Williams had 18, 21 assists, 2 turnovers. Lopez scored 30, and much more excitingly, actually grabbed 12 boards. He actually commented after the game, on Williams, "I’m not that much of a believer in numbers but there is no arguing against those numbers tonight.” No there's not, Brook.

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Tray reply to Tray on Apr 6 at 1:41
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Sorry, 19, 3 and FOUR for Rose. FOUR.

Dalembert was the star of the game for the Kings. And Favors free throws were a bit troubling (2/8) but he did produce against the Lakers front court, which is a bit more impressive than Cousins piling up numbers against a 6'6" Chuck Hayes.

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Rich reply to Tray on Apr 6 at 1:49
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Ed Davis got abused by Amare in the 4th Quarter of the Knicks game. He couldn't stop fouling him.

This was a pretty sweet review of the night Tray, much quicker than sitting thru SportsCenter!


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