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Tom Moore on Mar 14 at 9:13
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If the Dwight things play out in the summer, can the Sixers even enter the conversation?

What would they have to do from a cap perspective to get in the "Philly Max" range? After you amnesty Elton, what else would you need to do to at least go to Dwight and lay out your case?

I don't know about you guys, but if you add Dwight on top of this core, while just subtracting Elton and Hawes, we could win a title, a couple of titles in fact. We would be the best defensive team the NBA has seen in years. We would be much more efficient on the offensive end with Howard dominating the glass and throwing down 5 dunks per night. I mean, if Orlando is crazy enough to roll the dice on getting burned, don't you have to enter the sweepstakes?

What is his short list based on? TV and movie roles? Hanging in Brooklyn with the Huxtables? Or is he really looking to win championships. We are d12 away from a dynasty. Crazy? I don't know. I don't think so.

If they amnesty Brand, let Hawes and Nocioni walk and Lou opts out, I believe they have more than enough cap space to sign Dwight as a free agent.

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CSTH reply to Brian on Mar 14 at 10:48
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Then that has to be the plan. Balls to the wall. Get Dwight Howard.

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GoSixers reply to CSTH on Mar 14 at 10:47
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They can only enter the conversation in 'yes they have cap room to offer him a contract as big as anyone else can', but not the portion where 'dwight will consider playing for them'.

The Dwight Howard thing is a pipe dream, not because it's difficult to obtain the cap space (it's not) or that it would cost them important talent (it wouldn't) but because Dwight Howard already has his 'list' of teams that have nthing to do with WINNING basketball games. The sixers are probably the best basketball destination for him actually...if he cared about winning like he says he does.

He cares about his next adidas contract (which rumors are will be close to Derrick Roses if he signs in Brooklyn) and being a star, and being the man (who can't shoot free throws or develop an offensive game) and having input in player moves (cause he thinks getting stephen jackson or monta ellis would make his team better) and probably a few other things that aren't based on winning nba championships.

If he wanted to go to a team that gives him the best long term chance to win a title, Philadelphia is probably the best place for him to go.

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Tray reply to GoSixers on Mar 14 at 14:55
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I think Howard + Kobe/Howard + Deron/Howard + Rose et al. are all instant contenders. We would still be a deeply flawed offensive team if we added Howard, with our only hope of winning a championship to go the 2004 Pistons route that's worked so well for non-2004 Pistons teams.

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GoSixers reply to Tray on Mar 14 at 14:59
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Um, who on the 2004 pistons was as good as Dwight Howard...you're just silly sometimes

The Pistons '04 Model didn't have a C scoring an efficient 20ppg.

If anything, they'd have to win on the San Antonio model.

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GoSixers reply to Brian on Mar 14 at 16:17
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The one with a great point guard, one (or two) of the best big men of all time and a sixth man who is incredibly good?

The one w/ the dominant big guy, a couple of perimeter guys who score an efficient 15 or so and play sick defense.

I'm looking forward to hell weekend (and tonight) because I have the Sixers losing all 3 games, and still finishing at 39-27. Any win in the next 3 is icing on the cake and could help lead to 40 Ws. I assume even 39 easily wins the division though.

Dwight is showing his selfish/spoiled/coddled athlete side recently. He does not want the inconvenience if being traded, wants to be the GM of his team... and yet wants the Magic to be willing to let him walk for nothing.

I'm sure he knows what he plans on doing this summer, and yet is happy to string Orlando along. Very much reminiscent of Lebron. Just the ugly side of stardom that as a fan you try and ignore. But I guess these guys are worth tons to a franchise so it allows them to be primadonas in life.

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GoSixers reply to tk76 on Mar 14 at 10:48
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Actually, I think he's worse than Lebron, lebron kept his mouth shut most of the season compared to dwight trying to placate everyone...he was a man child when he came into the league, and he still pretty much is a man child.

Don't forget his whining after a win that he needs to get the ball more in the fourth.

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tk76 reply to GoSixers on Mar 14 at 11:14
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But Orlando's GM and owner are as much at fault by telling themselves they will win this tear and how that will either make Dwight want to stay or at least make them immune from blame. They are making important decisions for their franchise using a fair tale mentality... but it is hard to blame them. Because once they trade Howard the team will stink and Smith will go down as a Danny Ferry- but worse.

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GoSixers reply to tk76 on Mar 14 at 11:17
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Um, well, see, I find it pretty easy to blame the owner and GM because HISTORY tells the tale that discounts Dwight

1. Lebron
2. Carmelo
3. Bosh
4. SHAQ

EVERYONE knows how this story ends, hell Dwight Howard has told EVERY team that is thinking of trading for him he's going to opt out, he wants to be the prettiest girl at the prom that everyone wants, his ego demands it, just like Lebrons did even when he knew from the jump he was going to Miami.

I'm sorry - the GM and owner of the magic are morons if they think they're keeping dwight.

Well, he's going to opt out because he gets more money and more years re-signing as a FA than he would if he just signed an extension. That's not really about being the prettiest girl. Even if he gets traded to NJ, that would be the case.

How would NJ work a deal to take on both Howard and Turk?

I guess they could piece it together, but they'd be sending some longish contracts to ORL in the deal. They could try to include Humprhies, but he has a veto on any deal.

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GoSixers reply to Brian on Mar 14 at 11:29
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I don't think the magic/nets thing ever included turkoglu that's why it was festooned with draft picks (last time i heard serious talk about it wasn't it like 4 or 5 first round picks somehow) to try and make the magic happy.

The magic are screwed 7 different ways...any deal that gives them quality and takes away turkoglu they should work at.

Mediocrity and no cap room - worst place to be in the NBA

Smith should go down as Danny Ferry but worse.

It's really distasteful, but Orlando's owners are doing everything they can to hold on to a top-five player. Honestly, if they can't hold on to him, there's a decent chance they'd be better off just letting him walk than accepting one of these garbage packages they've been rumored to be offered. They aren't going to be relevant again until they completely rebuild and Brook Lopez isn't the key to that. They should be looking for a package that contains a couple of somewhat valuable #1 picks and maybe a young asset. The rest of that roster is complete trash and they're going to win like 15 games next year w/out him.

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GoSixers reply to Brian on Mar 14 at 11:20
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Doesn't the rumored Nets deal get rid of Turkoglu AND include some first round picks?

Melodrama makes me smile. Where are the Knicks trolls these days?

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GoSixers reply to Brian on Mar 14 at 10:55
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Carmelo is ruining the great and powerful lin

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GoSixers reply to Brian on Mar 14 at 11:04
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Gotta wonder what would happen if the knicks hadn't made the melo trade and somehow still discovered lin?

They should have enough caproom after they amnesty Brand. They could sign Dwight and keep Lou if I'm correct. But could the still sign Hawes? They have his bird rights but wouldn't have any capspace left. Would they have to use the cap on Hawes too? Or could they go over with the bird rights?

I would love a S5 of Jrue - Turner - Iggy - Hawes - Dwight with Lou - 1st round Pick (SG/SF) - Young an Vuc coming of the bench

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GoSixers reply to TAAI on Mar 14 at 10:54
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At this moment I don't care if lou and hawes leave.

If the sixers sign howard for 4 years, um why do they need hawes to be a back up?

Pretty sure they'd have to renounce Hawes to be able to afford Dwight. I need to run the numbers. And if they get Dwight, I don't want Hawes anyway. Thad starts at the four next to him.

OK, so here's the math. If they amnesty Brand and cut ties with Nocioni they have 6 players under contract (Iguodala, Turner, Thad, Jrue, Voose and Lou, assuming Lou doesn't opt out) for $37.8M.

They have a big cap hold on Hawes (they changed this rule, but assume it's at least $6M). They also have smaller cap holds on Meeks, Allen and Brackins (did anyone know the Sixers declined Brackins' team option for next season? Good move), then you have Battie as well, though he's fodder. So unless you renounce Hawes, he puts you somewhere near $44M and that's not enough. If Lou opts out and the Sixers renounce his rights, then you're down low enough to sign Howard, probably.

Basically, getting rid of Brand alone isn't enough. They need to get rid of Lou and/or renounce their bird rights for Spence. If they do both of those things, then they're down to $32M for 5 players, add in the minimum to get up to 12 players and that should leave you enough money to sign Howard with some more left over. You could potentially get Howard, bring back Meeks and Allen, get one more relatively cheap player under the cap, then use the new space exception to add someone else as well (I believe that one is like $2.5M).

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GoSixers on Mar 14 at 11:09
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Basically, getting rid of Brand alone isn't enough. They need to get rid of Lou and/or renounce their bird rights for Spence.

I approve

Spence is a no-brainer as far as I'm concerned. The Lou decision is up to him. I think he'll make a lot more than he's making now on the open market. Someone is going to think he can play a Monta Ellis role as a starter and offer him too much money. If he doesn't opt out, I'll actually gain a lot of respect for him (though I kind of want him to).

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CSTH reply to Brian on Mar 14 at 12:18
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I'm with you but i also worry that Lou is one of those guys that once they're gone, you actually really miss'em.

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bebopdeluxe reply to Brian on Mar 14 at 12:31
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Would the team need to renounce Hawes' Bird rights BEFORE knowing if they had a shot to sign Howard? If they were concurrent moves, then it is a no-brainer...but if you need to renounce Hawes first, that makes it a little more dicey - especially if Hawes finished the season even close to how he started it.

I have said that moving Turner into the starting lineup has transformed how I feel about Lou...and I am now of the mind that - if the numbers were not ridiculous - I would consider giving him a deal in the ballpark of what Thad got...although that may not be enough to keep him.

So much of this is going to depend on how this season ends. There are a completely different set of discussions if the Sixers take the Bulls or Heat to the wall in the 2nd round (or - gasp - beat one of them to get to the ECF), versus losing to the Pacers or Magic (if D12 stays) in the first round or getting blitzed in 5 by the Heat or Bulls.

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GoSixers reply to bebopdeluxe on Mar 14 at 12:35
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Howards agent could tell the sixers he was interested but nothing officially can be done until free agency starts. I don't know if there's a deadline for renouncing, I think you can renounce anyone at any time during free agency. So they could wait until they knew Dwight was interested.

To me it doesn't matter, Hawes isn't a long term center solution, Brand is old an you need cap room in the off season to be able to improve your team.

Nah, they can renounce whenever.

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CSTH reply to Brian on Mar 14 at 13:38
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The crazy part is that the way the HEAT are built, you need a dominating force inside to expose Bosh and crazy wing defenders to throw at LeBon and Wade.

This would put us over the top for the next 3-4 years. Thank goodness we didn't trade Iggy. When push comes to shove and you look at the Finals for the next 3-5 years you are staring right at Durant.

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GoSixers on Mar 14 at 12:23
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The pacers supposedly are required to add money to get to the salary ceiling right? Is there a deadline for that?

salary floor. Probably the trade deadline.

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GoSixers reply to Brian on Mar 14 at 12:36
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Salary floor right, damn it, i figured it was the trade deadline as well, but who knows for sure...oh look, a useful time for twitter - i'll ask coon.

If it's the deadline i gotta wonder why there's nothing coming out of indiana

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GoSixers on Mar 14 at 13:22
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BP with a simple nocioni trade I just know that Brian will love

http://www.basketballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=2146

Well, he thinks the Sixers could win a title this year :)

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GoSixers reply to Brian on Mar 14 at 13:31
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And Drew Gooden is that missing piece :)

I'd rather offer a first rounder for Ilyasova and use the Speights TPE, but apparently MIL is "going for it" with Monta.

@WojYahooNBA: Mike D'Antoni has resigned as New York Knicks coach, a source tells Y! Sports.

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GoSixers reply to sixerfan1220 on Mar 14 at 14:19
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Because he didn't want to get fired I guess

Carmello is a coach killer.

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GoSixers reply to The Six on Mar 14 at 14:31
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Wrong

James Dolan is a coach killer.

So when does Phil Jackson get hired? In the offseason?

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GoSixers reply to MCT on Mar 14 at 14:37
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Phil Jackson wins running the triangle. That team can't run the triangle. I doubt Phil takes that job...everyone seems to think it's such a great job cause it's the knicks.

It's a bad roster,

If amares knee gives out they are screwed

The owner is terrible

If Phil comes back to the NBA, i doubt it's in the knicks - though if i'm the russian dude i offer him 20 mil a year to coach in brooklyn :)

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MCT reply to GoSixers on Mar 14 at 14:42
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I heard Stephen A mention that Phil really wants to coach the Knicks, for what that's worth. I don't know how reliable his source is on that though.

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GoSixers reply to MCT on Mar 14 at 14:48
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In my opinion Stephen A Smith makes things up

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MCT reply to GoSixers on Mar 14 at 14:53
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"With all due respect to my good friend GoSixers, quite frankly - that is preposterous!"

That was my Stephen A impression, I think it needs some work.

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GoSixers reply to MCT on Mar 14 at 15:00
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A few suggstions

All caps, Stephen A doesn't talk, he yells

Passive aggressive name calling when referring to your 'opponent' also works.

Watching Stephen A Smith debate Skip Bayless ranks up there with watching snooki give birth as things i'd go crazy if forced to watch

Thoughts on this trade option:

Noc and Voose for Blatche and McGee?

It works financially. Does Washington want to get rid of Blatche bad enough to include McGee?

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GoSixers reply to The Six on Mar 14 at 15:10
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I don't think so - because they can just amnesty him this off season (and buy out Rashard Lewis)

Blatche is toxic

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The Six reply to GoSixers on Mar 14 at 15:18
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Rashard is expected to be in the $13mil buyout range

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GoSixers reply to The Six on Mar 14 at 15:23
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And his salary is in the 20+ million dollar range. Whatever the number, they can buy him out - they can get rid of him without having to amnesty him (I always wondered why the wiz didn't amnesty him - i didn't know about the buy out) they can amnesty blatche and if they 'believe' that they can build around wall and mcgee, they can start doing that, with some serious cap room this off season.

Sunk costs are sunk costs - paying Rashard 13 million to go away and let you rebuild sooner is a smarter smoove cause you can get the toxic blatche out of the way too.

As I understand all the raves about his running of the capitals, Leonsis is a smart business man who wants to build winning teams.

To me - the wiz don't have to be motivated to get rid of blatche cause of the amnesty tool

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Stan reply to GoSixers on Mar 14 at 15:32
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But if they find a taker for Blatche they wouldn't have to pay him anything for the next 3 years. I think they are willing to let go of McGee (who is a RFA next year) for the opportunity to get rid of Blatche. You're thinking in terms of cap space, the Wizards are thinking in terms of salary.

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GoSixers reply to Stan on Mar 14 at 15:36
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If the wizards are just looking to dump cash, sure, but if Ted Leonsis is really committed to building a winner in washington, then no - it's a dumb move to trade mcgee just to dump blatche when you can just amnesty him.

If Leonsis is only looking to save money - sure - but do you have any information that says otherwise? I go on the premise that ownership wants to win, and the best basketball move is to keep mcgee (who i think is an RFA this off season?) to either keep him or sign and trade him because someone wants to over pay his upside, since there are other mechanisms to rid yourself of javale mcgee

If Leonsis wants to build a winner, he'll spend the money, if he doesn't then fine trade mcgee to get rid of blatche

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GoSixers reply to GoSixers on Mar 14 at 16:23
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Yet I reserve the right to change my mind if javale mcgee is bat guano crazy

In addition to his on-court struggles, it appears that Wizards center JaVale McGee is a bit delusional. Sources say he has informed the Wizards that he will be looking for a contract averaging around $14 million when he becomes a free agent after next season. ESPN.com

He's the future of the NBA, just ask his mom.

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GoSixers on Mar 14 at 15:54
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GoSixers on Mar 14 at 16:25
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Done for a first round pick - just because


Memphis is trying to move Sam Young to get out of the luxury tax. ESPN.com

According to story tellers he makes less than a million - which shows you how cheap heisley is

Well, that $1M is really something like $5M if it moves them under the tax. At least it would've been under the old CBA. Can't remember exactly how it works under the current CBA.

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GoSixers reply to Brian on Mar 14 at 16:37
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Still - come on - 5 million - still not a lot in terms of the level of money nba owners should be making (outside of owning an nba team)

I'd be REALLY impressed if the new sixers ownership stepped up and absorbed him into the TPE if they could get a first round pick out of it (even if it is in the mid 20s this year)

Yeah, there are also implications going forward now, though. If they can get under this year, then they will have an extra year before they start paying the repeater tax in the future, and Gay/Gasol/Randolph/Connelly all have escalating contracts.

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GoSixers reply to Brian on Mar 14 at 16:43
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You find a good resource online yet that talks about all the new wrinkles in the CBA?

Whatever the implications for memphis, THIS is the kind of small move the sixers can take advantage of...

Yep, but MEM wouldn't include a 1st rounder, I don't think. They should definitely make the call. If Young is healthy, he can at least give you some minutes at the three some nights, which they kind of need now w/ both of their SFs in the starting lineup.

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GoSixers reply to Brian on Mar 14 at 16:47
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Then they lose their 5 million and get closer to being a repeater.

No harm in making the call. I mean going into last night the grizz had a chance to be the 3 seed in the west - which made their first round pick probably in the low 20s (the kind of pick i know you hate) but i'll take it anyway.

They want out from the luxury tax - they gotta give you a good reason - an incentive - the 2012 first round pick is that incentive -

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Stan reply to GoSixers on Mar 14 at 16:44
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Sam Young isn't the type of player you'd pay 5 million for. What is the trade offer? I'll give you a 1st round pick if you take Young off our hands?


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