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He seems to have trouble on the pick and roll when they hedge and close angles up, he doesn't split it enough or can't get around it, he ends up making a decision without knowing what to do next and throws it away.

I really haven't noticed any situations he's handling poorly. The bad decisions seem erratic to me. I don't mind the aggressive ones (charges, getting stripped going to the hoop, trying to fit a tight pass in that if completed leads to a dunk). It's the careless ones that aren't doing anything to further the offense that drive me nuts.

5 is too many, unless coupled with 30 pts or 12-15 assists. The idea is for the offense to be a pinball machine that accumulates points without tilting.

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Comcast-er/homer/wishful thinker Marshall Harris to natural born truthteller/co-host/former NBA player Marc Jackson after Holiday's 8 TO effort: "But he's still an elite point guard, isn't he??"

Smiling, politely declining Jackson: "We'll talk about that off the air."

Agreed on 5 being too many most nights. Jackson is probably a huge fan of Turner. Loves unathletic guys.

I think you have to live with the turnovers for now. As you pointed out, he has greatly improved in nearly every other category, and I think that comes from playing with more aggressiveness, confidence, and "freedom" (to use a Collinsism). Because Jrue has been somewhat bottled up in the offense in years past - standing in the corner watching Lou and Iguodala handle the ball, this is the first chance he's really had to handle the sole point guard role in the offense.

I love that he's playing looser, and I think the turnovers will come down as he gets more comfortable in his new role. I say wait for another couple dozen games before sounding the alarm.

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Exile on Kenny Payne Street on Nov 14 at 11:13
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Hi Brian, kind of off topic, but would it be possible to update the roster link at the top of the page?

"As a team, the Sixers are a hair below average in turnover rate. They're forcing more turnovers than they're committing. They have two big problems on the offensive end, shooting efficiency and a lack of trips to the line. Jrue is really carrying the load for the team in both of those categories."

Jrue is turning it over too much, no doubt. But context is everything and here, it shows how necessary Jrue is. The rest of the team has an insane amount of trouble getting to the free throw line and creating quality look for themselves, and even more, making shots. He's so important.

Stuckey is out tonight. Was looking forward to the matchup with Jrue and Evan.

New(ish) role...new guys around him...

I'm not worried yet, get back to me if he maintiains this rate into December.

We'll probably see Ivey playing the point for 30 minutes/game if this lasts much longer. I don't think it's possible for the streak of games w/ 7+ to continue. I just hope he doesn't cut down on the wrong things and decide to start chucking long twos instead of driving the lane because he might turn the ball over. These decisions need to be instinctual.

It looks to me that Jrue turns the ball over 2-3 times purely on lack of focus. I think he can definitely reduce that number as soon as he settles into a role when he has the ball for close to 40 minutes per night. Also, as soon as he develops some chemistry with his teammates, i expect a slight improvement in the situations when his teammates fail to catch his passes (they are unexpected). Basically, i think Jrue can get down to 4-4.5 turnovers per game by the end of the year from his ridiculous 6 right now. That's still a ton, but i think the team can live with it, especially considering that turning the ball over is not a huge problem as a team.

P.S. I don't think Iveys' minutes have anything to do with Jrue's performance. They are all about Wayns' inability to run a halfcourt offense and Iveys' terrific defense.

agree about Ivey to this point. But he's the next man up if/when Collins loses patience w/ Jrue's turnovers. I think we already saw him give Turner a shot on Monday night (which he blew).

As much as Collins is branded as a guy who loses patience easily and makes changes too often, he has shown unbelievable consistency in the general philosophy about how the team should play. It looks to me that each year Collins and his coaching staff devise a general plan on how to play next season based on the roster and they try to execute it until the end. That was the situation with the "no turnovers at the expense of bad jump shots philosophy". This year i think Collins came into the season with a mindset that Jrue has to run this team regardless of turnovers and i think he will stick to it.

The offense was supposed to go through Turner every now and then anyway (and that has been the case since preseason). I don't think that has anything to do with Jrue's struggles. I think Jrue will be allowed to turn the ball over a lot. Lets hope he learns from his mistakes.

hey Brian, glad you are back on the grid - do you think the rotation charts you did last year might be able to show where some of those turnovers come from? Are certain lineups or guys in particular more turnover-prone on the receiving end...or is this something else we can just blame on ET?

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#Sixers Collins waiting to hear if Kwame Brown can play. Will start if he can.

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Big Will reply to sixerfan1220 on Nov 14 at 19:10
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Kwame is back. I hope he can make it through the game.

Jrue has a really bad habit of overdribbling. I think we have all seen him dribble directly into a doubleteam several times this season. Thing is if we as fans can see it, why cant the guys on the floor see it? Very seldom does someone offer Jrue an easy kick out pass when he gets trapped.

Signing out now. Still at the office, watching the game on DVR LAAAAATE tonight. Let's go Sixers.

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eddies' heady's on Nov 14 at 19:10
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Late arriving crowd, I hope?

dont get your hopes up

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eddies' heady's on Nov 14 at 19:12
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Turner actually converted a drive on a psuedo-break. Monroe couldn't quite get to it.

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eddies' heady's on Nov 14 at 19:17
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Prediction - Jrue has watched that ugly film from last game and Collins and staff have drilled him, less than 3 turnovers tonight.

JRich 3!

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eddies' heady's on Nov 14 at 19:19
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Kwane with a poke-away steal....

JRich 3!

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eddies' heady's on Nov 14 at 19:23
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Jrue near steal... they got it back.... Jrue flat takes it from Monroe.

Kwane finish off the JRich dish. Man, Jrue was all in Monroe's cookie jar. aha

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eddies' heady's on Nov 14 at 19:24
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Dorell in for ET.

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eddies' heady's on Nov 14 at 19:26
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JRich 3! Man, he's so smooth with that J.

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eddies' heady's on Nov 14 at 19:27
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Same as the MIL game Monday night so far, if it wasn't for JRich we wouldn't even be in this one.

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eddies' heady's on Nov 14 at 19:29
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Where's the much-hyped Andre Drummond?

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eddies' heady's on Nov 14 at 19:30
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Monroe packs Turner's attempt. He really needs to stop trying to go in there.

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eddies' heady's on Nov 14 at 19:33
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Hawes really is bad at free throws. And defense too. sheesh

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eddies' heady's on Nov 14 at 19:35
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Things get really stagnant when Jrue goes out. Royal tries his best to create but he just doesn't possess the innate ability or quickness to accomplish it. Turner, he just, oh nevermind.

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eddies' heady's on Nov 14 at 19:37
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Shooting 6-22 in the 1st quarter. And JRich has half of those makes. Only 1 turnover though, off a Hawes' attempt at a save going out of bounds that Prince picked off.

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Big Will on Nov 14 at 19:38
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Collins called out Hawes and Lavoy. So far I see no difference in their play. Lavoy was invisible when he was in the game. Ok - he just hit a j to start the 2nd.

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eddies' heady's on Nov 14 at 19:38
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Good take Jrue. They need to at a minimum just show some energy. The arena is lifeless, and so are they.

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eddies' heady's on Nov 14 at 19:40
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The arena is empty as hell in the end zones. wow

nice floater jrue

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eddies' heady's on Nov 14 at 19:41
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Jrue splits the supposed double off a screen from Thad for a layup.

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eddies' heady's on Nov 14 at 19:42
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DET is just outplaying them right now. Second straight team to come into our gym with more energy than the home team.

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eddies' heady's on Nov 14 at 19:43
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I realize it can be an effective way to get a shot off over the defender, but Nick Young really drives me nuts with nearly every single shot being a fallaway. ugh

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eddies' heady's on Nov 14 at 19:46
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Bullshit call. JRich was set for that charge. Eh, he did kind of move over just slightly into him.

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eddies' heady's on Nov 14 at 19:50
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Two long scoring droughts tonight so far, think the 1st quarter it was 5+ min, and this 2nd quarter drought was around 7+ minutes without a FG.

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eddies' heady's on Nov 14 at 19:51
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Not for nothing, they're getting murdered on the boards. Just killed.

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eddies' heady's on Nov 14 at 19:52
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Missed it, anyone know how Jrue got his first turnover?

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Big Will reply to eddies' heady's on Nov 14 at 19:53
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Traveling

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eddies' heady's reply to Big Will on Nov 14 at 19:54
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thanks

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eddies' heady's on Nov 14 at 19:53
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And just like the MIL game, DET has triple the turnovers we do so far, yet they're up by 7

@preston76
Dorell Wright received eight stitches for a cut on his chin vs. Pistons. He will return to game.

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eddies' heady's on Nov 14 at 19:56
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What is the deal with limiting Dorell's minutes for the 2nd straight game? He throws ET out there to stink it up for 13+ minutes but Dorell can only stink it up for 5?

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eddies' heady's on Nov 14 at 19:56
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^^ heh well there you go on cue

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eddies' heady's on Nov 14 at 19:57
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Dorell in for ET, all bandaged up. Thanks Doug.

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eddies' heady's on Nov 14 at 19:59
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This is freakin' ugly, on both ends. But especially when we're on offense. It's such a struggle to score or get a look. Their execution that they displayed in that Boston game has just disappeared.

Their sets look really disjointed, no rhythm, no cohesion at all.

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eddies' heady's on Nov 14 at 20:02
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Shameful. This is bad. Doug needs to pipe his vocal chords up for this halftime chewing. They need it, badly.

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eddies' heady's on Nov 14 at 20:02
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Wasn't that a carry on Singler? Looked like he palmed it a bit there.

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eddies' heady's on Nov 14 at 20:04
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Jrue missed both freebies. sheesh

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Big Will on Nov 14 at 20:05
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Ughh horrible half for the Sixers.

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eddies' heady's on Nov 14 at 20:06
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Can we trade Turner and a bag of Cheetos Puffs for Kyle Singler? It's bad when a white kid from Oregon has more athleticism than you.

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Big Will on Nov 14 at 20:07
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Jrue can't buy a bucket.

down 18 at the half

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eddies' heady's on Nov 14 at 20:07
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Jrue could ge labeled as gunning, but he pretty much has to at times.

That half was probably worse than the MIL first half debacle.

Peel the paint Doug!!!

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eddies' heady's on Nov 14 at 20:11
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Somebody needs to learn how to box the eff out, and quick. Inexcusable to not apply basic fundamentals at this level. It's not like the Pistons have Rodman out there.

Brandon Knight - 7 rebs
Thad Young and Lavoy Allen - 7 rebs
Spencer Hawes - 1 reb

10 turnovers for the Pistons to our 3, 12 fast break pts for them to our 3, 24 in the paint to our 16. Ughhhhhh

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eddies' heady's on Nov 14 at 20:28
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If the games gonna stay this far apart in score, I'd throw Wayns out there when it's time for Jrue to rest. Just to get the kid's feet wet a little.

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eddies' heady's on Nov 14 at 20:30
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Run some Thad/Jrue pick and roll on the side please...on cue they do, Jrue's tripped up by Knight.

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eddies' heady's on Nov 14 at 20:31
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Dorell in for ET with not even 4 min gone in the quarter.

Doug sees what we see. Thankfully. Prince has given him fits on both ends.

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eddies' heady's on Nov 14 at 20:36
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D3! at the buzzer.

We can't generate a look out of a set worth a damn.

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eddies' heady's on Nov 14 at 20:39
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Bullshit call on Thad there. Terrible call. He packed Drummond's shot and Drummond fell like he'd been shot by an AK.

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eddies' heady's on Nov 14 at 20:41
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Dorell fouled on a 3 by Singler.

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eddies' heady's on Nov 14 at 20:41
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Tech on Drummond. Of course, Jrue missed it. His 4th missed freebie tonight.

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eddies' heady's on Nov 14 at 20:43
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Phantom call on Dorell there. He did nothing to Prince. Someone else poked the ball away, and that looked clean.

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eddies' heady's on Nov 14 at 20:49
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Just being outhustled by a team that's showing desperation. Wish the Sixers would get some.

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eddies' heady's on Nov 14 at 20:52
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Finally 20 pts in a quarter. YAY

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eddies' heady's on Nov 14 at 20:54
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How the fuck did these guys win 3 games on the road?

Where did that squad disappear to that took it to Boston last Friday?

Where did that team go that showed some mettle and put its foot on the gas against Toronto?

Where did that swarming, active defense go that showed itself in the Denver game?

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eddies' heady's on Nov 14 at 20:58
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Haven't scored in more than 2 consecutive possession the entire game so far.

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eddies' heady's on Nov 14 at 20:58
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Singler eating ET's lunch. heh

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eddies' heady's on Nov 14 at 21:01
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It was such a chore for them to score going into that Boston game (2 Knicks games and NOH game), but they executed their ass off running offense in that game. Seems so foreign now though.

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eddies' heady's on Nov 14 at 21:03
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Box the F out!!!

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eddies' heady's on Nov 14 at 21:11
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It's not a stretch to say we look like the worst team in the league the last two games, save for a whirlwind 3rd quarter vs the Bucks.

This is hands-down bad, bad basketball. And it stings so bad because it's coming from both ends of the floor and it's so noticeable.

You mean a team with only five returning players doesn't look like a cohesive unit? Oh my.

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eddies' heady's reply to Cin on Nov 14 at 21:17
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No, I mean a team of NBA players looks like a fucking high school JV squad. Cohesion or not.

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MojoSoDope reply to eddies' heady's on Nov 14 at 23:47
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from DC's quotes he seems to agree with you. Lol at Cin trying to excuse that mess.

I'm not excusing the team, I'm arguing against unrealistic expectations people have held towards them. There's a lot of solid talent, specifically Jrue, Dorell, and Thad, but there are far too many question marks for them to be deserving of the mid-seed consideration they have been thus far receiving. I think their talent is there on paper and even more so with Bynum, but one does not too to flashback much further than a couple years to remember Rodney Stuckey's comment on the Pistons being the deepest team in the league... on paper.

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MojoSoDope reply to Cin on Nov 15 at 10:04
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And expectations - high or low - or whatever this mid-seed consideration fluff you're referring to, or even more fluffier "talent on paper" morsel, has what - EXACTLY - to do with the last two games and the piss-poor efforts and showings as was mentioned in the original comment you responded to?

They should have been projected to be a bottom tier team coming into the season. They have played like a bottom tier team throughout the season save for one game against the C's, and if them continuing this trend is a revelation at all then you're quite simply out of touch with reality.

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eddies' heady's on Nov 14 at 21:15
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Doug, you really should keep Turner out there in garbage time. He needs the burn and reps, bad. Pulled him with almost 6 min to go.

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eddies' heady's reply to eddies' heady's on Nov 14 at 21:15
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Ah, fuck it, Damien Wilkins is probably as good anyway.

What am i looking at.

bynum's new hair

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Tom Moore on Nov 14 at 23:45
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Game story (with Hawes video): Sixers 'back down' in eye-opening home loss to Pistons:

http://www.phillyburbs.com/sports/sixers/sixers-back-down-to-pistons/article_a5a14897-389e-53cf-8d6c-cde4eb90f08d.html

Some numbers I posted elsewhere:

ET since the beginning of last year:

32nd in D Boards
334th in O Boards

I would be a bigger fan if he was top 50 in both categories. And if I had to chose, I'd prefer those rankings to be reversed from a guard.

Is 334th his highest rank in any meaningful offensive category?

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Stan reply to tk76 on Nov 15 at 9:14
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Right now I see Turner's future as a reserve guard and a quality role player. I've thrown out the idea that he should be the type of player he was drafted to be. Going forward, both Evan Turner and the Sixers (or whatever teams ends up on) will be better off if they lower their expectations and see him as a Ronnie Brewer/Anthony Parker type player.

I wish I could donate my knee to Andrew Bynum.

Last night's highlight: a superfine lay-in by Wayns, capping a 74 point mail-in against the hapless-made-happy Pistons, proving to hardboiled skeptics that the cylinder is, in fact, twice as large as the ball; a Greg Grant special. The displayed synergy between his feet, his hands, his eyes and his dream (making a basket) provides immediate leverage against Cookie Monster Collins and the dreaded player moniker, HeBenchMe. Frankly, indeed, furthermore, make no mistake and let me be clear, Maalik is trending upwards; it's an overarching development of last night's game, a miserable hometowner's mashup that displayed the art of herding cats. Peace out.


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