DFDepressed FanDepressed Fan All Sixers, all the time DFDepressed Fan Make Rubio Prove It STORYCOMMENTS (440) Brian on Feb 20 at 9:23 Reply +/- And here's my proposed trade of the day. Turner, Wright and Kwame for Redick and Afflalo. This assumes the Sixers plan to re-sign Bynum. Afflalo is overpaid and miscast in his role with the Magic, but in the right role, he's a valuable piece. This would be your starting five next year (again, assuming Bynum is healthy and they re-sign him, two monumental assumptions) Jrue, Redick, Afflalo, Thad, Bynum. Two 40% three-point shooters who can defend on the wings, Thad and Bynum down low w/ Jrue orchestrating. I read today that Redick is looking for 4 years/$40M but would probably settle somewhere in the $7M/year range. That means the Sixers would probably be a tax paying team w/ only trades to add significantly to this core for the next 3 years. Redick is 28, Afflalo is 27. Brian reply to Brian on Feb 20 at 9:29 Reply +/- Orlando is probably very interested in getting out of Afflalo's contract. You might be able to pull this deal off w/out including Turner, which would leave him as either a bench piece on the team this year and next, or trade bait. Something like this works. Making either of these deals means you're 100% committing to re-signing Bynum, though. If you make either of these deals, then decide Bynum isn't worth the risk, you're left with a middling team that's locked in for a couple years. Xsago reply to Brian on Feb 20 at 10:09 Reply +/- Where do i sign? It's the kind of deal that could make the Sixers a true contender assuming Bynum is resigned and healthy. I'm not sure the Magic want out of Afflalo's contract though. MikeW on Feb 20 at 9:47 Reply +/- I'm sure you've all seen this, but just in case. http://www.crossingbroad.com/2013/02/it-took-less-than-a-season-for-andre-iguodala-to-irk-denver.html Brian reply to MikeW on Feb 20 at 9:51 Reply +/- Someone linked to the original article, which is rubbish. This response is doubly so. Mike reply to MikeW on Feb 20 at 9:59 Reply +/- that's one moronic writer's opinion. Denver has plenty of scorers on the roster. they need even less offense from Iguodala than Philly did. their problem now is interior defense. Sharone Wright on Feb 20 at 10:00 Reply +/- 3-23 from deep? I don't think I've ever seen a lower percentage from a guard. Brian reply to Sharone Wright on Feb 20 at 10:01 Reply +/- Apparently, you don't know John Wall. 4/55 from three over the past two seasons. 7.3%. Sharone Wright reply to Brian on Feb 20 at 10:03 Reply +/- Goodness gracious. Stan reply to Sharone Wright on Feb 20 at 11:30 Reply +/- In the past 14 games Kobe has missed 29 out of the last 30 3pt attempts he has taken. Xsago on Feb 20 at 10:17 Reply +/- Man, if the Thunder actually pull the rumored Gortat for Perkins + Lamb and a 1st rounder, they will definitely be front runners for the championship. Presti is trying to work his magic again. Sharone Wright on Feb 20 at 10:27 Reply +/- I looked it up, and Tom Garrick, a guard for the Clippers, shot 0-22 from 3 point land in 90-91. "Honestly Coach, I know I can make that shot." Dollar Bill on Feb 20 at 10:48 Reply +/- Ironically, former Seton Hall-er and Boston Celtic Chuck Connors, TV's sharpshooting "Rifleman", shot just .252 from the field (99-393) and .471 from the charity stripe (41-87) in 53 career games, but that was before son "Mark" was born and inspired his best triggering. In summation, Chuck was a brickmeister, but "Paw" sure had an eye! Some dude of some repute named Michael "Air" Jordan shot only .327 (581-1778) from 3-land. John Wall's rookie year deep shooting (.296, 34-115) tells ya his "cold snap" 4-55 of last 2 yrs is an anamoly. A chat with former Bullet Don "Waxie" Ohl could do the trick. Brian reply to Dollar Bill on Feb 20 at 10:53 Reply +/- 3 years of evidence. The 1 year is the norm, while the other two are outliers? Dollar Bill reply to Brian on Feb 20 at 11:02 Reply +/- '115 attempts number' vs 'interrupted 55 attempts & post-injury number' - - I'll bet on eventual improvement. Your anti-Wall bias is showing. Brian reply to Dollar Bill on Feb 20 at 11:06 Reply +/- Eventual improvement from 7.3% isn't exactly a bold prediction. I don't really have an anti-Wall bias at this point. He's irrelevant. Dollar Bill reply to Brian on Feb 20 at 11:43 Reply +/- Hard to label a starting #1 pick irrelevant, especially as he's 86 days younger than young Jrue. Both have talent, both run the point as if they're playing on a raquetball court. GoSixers reply to Dollar Bill on Feb 20 at 11:50 Reply +/- Man the contortions you put yourself trhough to try and justify your daily Jrue bashing really are impressive Lack of growth, lack of improvement in almost any area, low basketball iq, terrible team yes, John Wall so far has been irrelevant And much like evan turner being #2 doesn't matter any more - wall being #1 doesn't matter any more except affecting his rookie salary Dollar Bill reply to GoSixers on Feb 20 at 12:02 Reply +/- "Daily" is inaccurate. As is "contortions"; it's straightforward and easy - all you have to do is watch, then type. Jrue was the East's fuzzy mascot at the AS game, thanks to carney Collins. GoSixers reply to Dollar Bill on Feb 20 at 12:28 Reply +/- Again you use a meaningless argument to try and make your increasingly strained 'hypothesis' Your Jrue hatred is rapidly approaching other irrational hatreds seen here Dollar Bill reply to GoSixers on Feb 20 at 13:02 Reply +/- Do you always respond to "meaningless"-ness? buke reply to Dollar Bill on Feb 20 at 14:43 Reply +/- Of course, he does. In fact, he responds to himself. GoSixers reply to Dollar Bill on Feb 20 at 12:31 Reply +/- Though if it's what you want to use as a 'point' - Where was john wall on Sunday night - as Jrue took the court with the 'best' players in the league. Did I miss the announcement that he made the team? Dollar Bill reply to GoSixers on Feb 20 at 13:06 Reply +/- Rah-rah from La-La. Derek Bodner reply to GoSixers on Feb 21 at 11:34 Reply +/- The comparison to Jrue, with his 51% true shooting percentage and his 17.7% turnover percentage, are a little too close for me to take such a hard stance on Wall's relevance. They go about their gross inefficiencies in drastically different ways, but they are both grossly inefficient point guards on bad teams. With Wall's built in excuse that he's both younger and coming off a major injury, I'd be hesitant to make such harsh statements. Brian reply to Dollar Bill on Feb 20 at 11:51 Reply +/- #1 pick doesn't really mean much to me after a couple years in the league of piss-poor play. Evan Turner has been better than John Wall, and my opinion of Turner is pretty low. Dollar Bill reply to Brian on Feb 20 at 12:10 Reply +/- Disappointing to date, for sure. Hard to be of great positive impact when you dominate ball and lay bricks. Outside shooting and decision-making must improve or he'll remain disappointing. Brian reply to Dollar Bill on Feb 20 at 12:58 Reply +/- To me, he'll remain irrelevant. And the fact that he's a legitimate dullard leads me to believe he'll remain irrelevant. GoSixers reply to Brian on Feb 20 at 13:11 Reply +/- Just out of curiosity Are there any recent Kentucky players you like? Brian reply to GoSixers on Feb 20 at 13:18 Reply +/- Meeks and Doron Lamb. Did you know Lamb shot 48% from the field and 47% from three in his 2 years at Kentucky!!!! GoSixers reply to Brian on Feb 20 at 13:50 Reply +/- I had not heard that - thank you for letting me know Brian reply to GoSixers on Feb 20 at 13:54 Reply +/- NATIONAL CHAMPION!!!!!! GoSixers reply to Brian on Feb 20 at 14:07 Reply +/- These things are important Do you happen to know how highly he was rated when he was recruited out of high school? Brian reply to GoSixers on Feb 20 at 14:10 Reply +/- #4 TOP RECRUIT!!!!!!!!!!!! ZERO BUST EQUITY!!!!!!!!!!! GoSixers reply to Brian on Feb 20 at 14:12 Reply +/- Excellent. Good to know. Lurker reply to Brian on Feb 20 at 18:13 Reply +/- I don't post often but I felt compelled to say that is the funniest exchange I've seen on these boards in awhile. Thank you. While I'm here, what do you think about the Sixers trading for Granger? He's coming off a lower body injury. Those types of injuries usually intrigue the front office. buke reply to Brian on Feb 20 at 14:41 Reply +/- Yes, I did know that, but some of us do follow college basketball and Kentucky was among the most frequently broadcasted teams by the networks and ESPN. I thought he was Kentucky's steadiest player during his time there and part of me would of liked to have seen him drafted by the Sixers. I was surprised that he went as low in the draft as he did. He's having a pretty silent rookie year but I still have faith that he will come around. Brian reply to buke on Feb 20 at 17:18 Reply +/- I was kidding around. The troll yesterday was going nuts about him, just kept saying 48/47, nat'l champ, top HS recruit over and over again. Dollar Bill reply to Brian on Feb 20 at 13:17 Reply +/- Never know. Careers can be a game of "Chutes & Ladders." I wonder how many classic novels Jrue read in his nine months at Westwood. Brian reply to Dollar Bill on Feb 20 at 13:34 Reply +/- I'd be shocked if Wall can read 9 words. Xsago reply to Dollar Bill on Feb 20 at 11:08 Reply +/- So 29.6% from three represents a good shooter? And one year sample size is bigger than a two year sample size? Dolar Bill reply to Xsago on Feb 20 at 11:27 Reply +/- Who said anything about a good shooter? I said Wall's frigid cold snap will melt some. Brian reply to Dolar Bill on Feb 20 at 11:31 Reply +/- I'd actually say the dramatic drop in attempts is commendable. He can't shoot threes, so he doesn't take many of them. Unfortunately, if he follows that logic he really shouldn't be shooting from anywhere but at the rim. Xsago on Feb 20 at 10:49 Reply +/- I've read reports (on basketball prospectus i think) that suggest players coming off ACL surgeries are pretty much the same players they were before, except for one thing: shooting. Every other important statistic is virtually identical for players pre- and post- ACL surgeries. But their shooting percentages go down, especially in the first season after coming back. Fast forward to Rubio, he started his post-injury career without being able to hit a single shot, but he has slowly been moving towards his last year's numbers as the season progressed. He is at 41% FG% and 29% 3PT% in February. I absolutely agree that the same tactic should be employed facing the Wolves, but Rubio may actually be able to make some wide open shots. Brian reply to Xsago on Feb 20 at 10:58 Reply +/- well, even if Rubio is working his way back to shooting like he did last year, you still want him shooting jumpers. The guy shot 35% from the floor. 34% from three isn't terrible, though. Still, make him shoot and don't foul him. Until he learns to shoot, it's not hard to defend against him. Xsago reply to Brian on Feb 20 at 11:11 Reply +/- I agree that Jrue should dare him to shoot. That being said, even though executing the defensive gameplan against Rubio is easy, actually stopping Rubio is less so. No matter how you defend him it's close to impossible to make him a scorer and successfully defend the pass. Anyway, i don't think Rubio will beat them. It's all about rebounding and not letting Pekovic get 30 points at the rim. Tray on Feb 20 at 11:18 Reply +/- Ken Berger reports at CBS that we've been in talks about trading Nick Young, but he doesn't say to whom or for what. Some sites say Monta for Smith is in the works, which if true would end any chance we have at overtaking Milwaukee. Xsago reply to Tray on Feb 20 at 11:19 Reply +/- Monta is a worse package than Turner + Hawes IMO. Brian reply to Xsago on Feb 20 at 11:21 Reply +/- He's probably going to opt out, so at least they don't screw up their cap space with that deal. MIL will probably have to throw in a pick, you'd assume. Brian reply to Tray on Feb 20 at 11:20 Reply +/- Not sure how Smith would impact our chances. Probably less minutes for Ilyasova, who is much more efficient than Smith. Their defense would improve, though. And they'd get rid of the Monta offensive albatross (while inheriting the Smith offensive albatross). Overall, they'd be better, though. Think that's probably safe to say. Unless he hates being in MIL. GoSixers reply to Brian on Feb 20 at 11:26 Reply +/- People who live in Milwaukee hate being there, it's sort of a pit, and though 90 miles away really is the poor ugly neglected sister of Chicago and a blite on an otherwise rather pretty state (if you ignore the majority of the people) Tray reply to Brian on Feb 20 at 12:07 Reply +/- Smith's a better offensive albatross. You're also trading one of the league's worst defensive players for one of the league's better ones. Brian reply to Tray on Feb 20 at 12:20 Reply +/- True. Creating a minute crunch for the team's best offensive weapon, though. GoSixers on Feb 20 at 12:57 Reply +/- ESPN's 5 on 5 folk don't think anyone should come to Philly Here Rich on Feb 20 at 14:13 Reply +/- I agree with the strategy, but remember last year when the Sixers played them in Minny? They did the same thing, and Rubio did a decent job with 22 points on 17 shots. He was in a good battle with Jrue that night, that the Wolves ultimately won (Well, they shouldn't have, Dre got the ball. But you know, "star" gets the whistle). Brian reply to Rich on Feb 20 at 14:15 Reply +/- Just because a strategy doesn't work, doesn't mean it's the wrong strategy. - Eddie Jordan Rich reply to Brian on Feb 20 at 14:20 Reply +/- You enjoying watching Braces wallow away behind the Lakers bench? He looks like he's doing literally nothing. Maybe the high school freshman team will hire him back. Brian reply to Rich on Feb 20 at 14:22 Reply +/- I'd like to know what that freshman squad did when they were sophomores. I don't think you can undo the fast Eddie damage. GoSixers on Feb 20 at 14:26 Reply +/- So Mitch Kupchak again said today that the lakers aren't trading dwight howard. This is what I live about the 24 hour news cycle - the media will just keep using the term 'un named sources' and more often than not make crap up to get 'eyes' and thus Kupchak will have to deny this probably 2-3 more times before the deadline. Jim Buss ego is too big for him to give up on Howard (or bring in the right coach) Brian reply to GoSixers on Feb 20 at 14:29 Reply +/- At least their "sources" are team sources, not "league sources" like Cooney and Mitchell. GoSixers reply to Brian on Feb 20 at 14:32 Reply +/- Or just 'sources' - the nice vague - could be the bartender where dwight was drinking last night Tray reply to GoSixers on Feb 20 at 17:31 Reply +/- Honestly I haven't seen much reporting about Howard getting traded, outside of that one Rondo-for-Howard story. And that was from Ken Berger, who's a pretty respectable reporter. So maybe there were some brief talks. Brian reply to Tray on Feb 20 at 17:34 Reply +/- Berger and Woj are the two best national guys in terms of breaking stories. I like Zach Lowe in terms of analysis. GoSixers reply to Brian on Feb 20 at 17:39 Reply +/- Yes - but in terms of abject comedy - do you prefer NBA TV or TNT (and we're just talking analysis - not the comedy of Saegers god awful outfits) Tray reply to GoSixers on Feb 20 at 18:11 Reply +/- I really like the personalities on TNT, and while they're not statistically sharp, don't know much about most of the teams or players in the league, and tend to fall back on the sort of analytic cliches you get on talk radio (e.g., so and so's not a true #1, various teams are doomed to fail because they lack a big man they can just throw it to in the post), they do have some insight into the more, I don't know, emotional side of the game that your favorite smart basketball writer can't give you. Like it's kind of hard for a writer to say what effect Westbrook's throwing a huge fit at a player for clogging up the paint during one of his post-ups has on his team; you either get this junk about how a guy like that can't lead or win the big series, or on the other hand this junk about how misunderstood he is and how that's just part of what makes him so good. Or a statistically inclined writer will say that they're still first in the league in offensive rating so clearly everything's cool. But a retired player can speak to what effect similar behavior had on his team's play, and I do find that sort of thing useful. Matt reply to Tray on Feb 20 at 18:44 Reply +/- They know drama Brian reply to Tray on Feb 20 at 18:45 Reply +/- Shaq is a boob, but I agree for the most part. I think the bigger the stars make shit analysts, though. Shaq and Magic are as bad as they come. I kinda like the lesser stars because I think things with teammates, coaches and game situations impacted them more, and they had to recognize and exploit the nuances of the game to be successful. A lot of stars were just physically so much better, it didn't matter what anyone else did. This is probably not what you were getting at, but I often wonder if, knowing what I know now, I would've enjoyed watching Iverson in his prime as much as I did. I almost feel like really digging into advanced stats sometimes strips away the beauty of the game and its harder to just enjoy a magical play if it leads to the guy's 25th point on his 27th shot. I think that's why I love going to playoff games so much. You can throw the numbers out and just enjoy something even if its unsustainable, because get the win and who cares? Three more til the next round. Tray reply to Brian on Feb 20 at 20:16 Reply +/- I've actually been thinking a lot about that lately, how stats have changed what players we appreciate and what players we don't. Today, we'd think of Iverson as a rich man's Monta Ellis, though to be fair, it was a way worse time for offense. I'm still waiting for an analogue in basketball to OPS+ or ERA+. And yeah, replace Shaq with Webber full-time. Brian on Feb 20 at 20:00 Reply +/- Alright, made it home in time for the T-Wolves feed on League Pass. sixerfan1220 on Feb 20 at 20:01 Reply +/- @WojYahooNBA The Rockets will send Patrick Patterson, Cole Aldrich and Toney Douglas to the Kings for Thomas Robinson, sources tell Y! morris to PHX for a 2nd rounder also sixerfan1220 reply to sixerfan1220 on Feb 20 at 20:05 Reply +/- Houston also gets Garcia, Honeycutt Brian reply to sixerfan1220 on Feb 20 at 20:07 Reply +/- Garcia's contract is what SAC wanted to dump, probably. Still, that's crazy. I would've given them Turner and an expiring for Robinson and a salary dump :) Brian reply to Brian on Feb 20 at 20:09 Reply +/- $6.4M team option next year for Garcia. Don't know what the buyout is. Good for Robinson, gets away from Cousins. Tray reply to sixerfan1220 on Feb 20 at 20:20 Reply +/- Strange trade. I don't know how often you see teams trade one perfectly good young player (Patterson) for another good young player (Robinson, although I guess Robinson's both higher-ceiling and more unproven). Why would either team want to make this deal? Brian reply to Tray on Feb 20 at 20:21 Reply +/- Shuffling deck chairs? I don't know. Tray reply to Brian on Feb 20 at 20:31 Reply +/- I guess Morey may think that Robinson will be a better player in the long term and give them more athleticism/rebounding/defense/size. Whereas Patterson kind of duplicates the stuff Parsons does. Brian on Feb 20 at 20:02 Reply +/- Holy shit. They gave up on Robinson that quickly? Wow. Brian on Feb 20 at 20:10 Reply +/- Aaaaand we're off...Hawes loses the tip. Brian on Feb 20 at 20:10 Reply +/- Excellent work, Turner. Way to pick up your man. Brian on Feb 20 at 20:11 Reply +/- Hawes can't back down Derrick Williams. Turner won't give the ball up in transition, turns it over. This is pretty. Brian on Feb 20 at 20:12 Reply +/- Of course Rubio hits the long two. If he hits his next five from there, then you start fighting over the screen. sixerfan1220 on Feb 20 at 20:13 Reply +/- evan putback Brian on Feb 20 at 20:13 Reply +/- Good follow, Turner. OK, settle down now. Brian on Feb 20 at 20:14 Reply +/- Stop complaining, Turner. God damn. Looks like he hit the buffet in the Bahamas, too. MCT on Feb 20 at 20:14 Reply +/- Ridnour with a fastbreak 3, not a good start Brian on Feb 20 at 20:15 Reply +/- Bad shot, Jrue. but he hit it. MCT on Feb 20 at 20:16 Reply +/- come on Spencer, go up strong man Brian on Feb 20 at 20:16 Reply +/- And the TWolves can't miss from three. BAd turn by Jrue. Worse turn by Rubio in transition, worse turn by Hawes in transition the other way. Pretty stuff. MCT on Feb 20 at 20:17 Reply +/- is Jrue hurt? why is he out? Brian reply to MCT on Feb 20 at 20:18 Reply +/- Didn't look hurt, and only has one foul. Maybe in the doghouse? Brian on Feb 20 at 20:17 Reply +/- Jrue out. Did he pick up his second foul? sixerfan1220 on Feb 20 at 20:17 Reply +/- evan cant finish, rubio to the line MCT on Feb 20 at 20:18 Reply +/- nice lefty finish Pargo Brian on Feb 20 at 20:19 Reply +/- Pargo43!!! sixerfan1220 on Feb 20 at 20:19 Reply +/- pargo 3 Brian on Feb 20 at 20:23 Reply +/- Now Jrue coming back. sixerfan1220 on Feb 20 at 20:23 Reply +/- lavoy jumper Tray on Feb 20 at 20:23 Reply +/- By the way, the Sixers have won two road games since November 30, and the last road win was on January 1. This is a decent write-up on our season: http://gothicginobili.com/?p=6104#more-6104 Brian reply to Tray on Feb 20 at 20:24 Reply +/- They haven't played a whole lot on the road. Tray reply to Brian on Feb 20 at 20:36 Reply +/- Well, 2-14 in the last 16 road games doesn't seem insignificant to me, though the quality of the 16 opponents was pretty strong overall. Brian reply to Tray on Feb 20 at 20:38 Reply +/- Jrue was out for 4 of them as well. Tray reply to Brian on Feb 20 at 20:41 Reply +/- And now we're Thad-less, which isn't great either. Brian on Feb 20 at 20:23 Reply +/- Get down the fucking floor, Turner. Brian on Feb 20 at 20:25 Reply +/- Don't fucking bite on a pump fake from 22 feet, Pargo. Brian on Feb 20 at 20:26 Reply +/- Loose with the ball, Jrue. Shitty. Brian on Feb 20 at 20:27 Reply +/- Feel like they're down more than 10. Brian on Feb 20 at 20:29 Reply +/- Jrue long two, good. Ugh. Play some fucking D and go to the hole. sixerfan1220 on Feb 20 at 20:30 Reply +/- wright 3 Brian on Feb 20 at 20:30 Reply +/- GET DOWN THE FUCKING FLOOR, TURNER. There are 2 PGs on the floor, you aren't one of them. MCT on Feb 20 at 20:30 Reply +/- Pekovic looks like an All Star tonight Brian on Feb 20 at 20:31 Reply +/- Hawes needs a perfect setup to hit that jumper. sixerfan1220 on Feb 20 at 20:33 Reply +/- down 10 feels like 20 Tray on Feb 20 at 20:34 Reply +/- Would Kahn consider Turner for Williams? That seems like a Kahn sort of thing to do. Brian reply to Tray on Feb 20 at 20:34 Reply +/- Kahn had a boner for Turner in his draft. Brian on Feb 20 at 20:34 Reply +/- PHI 25, MIN 35 after one. 35 fucking points. Pitiful. Brian on Feb 20 at 20:37 Reply +/- Stop with the long twos already. Get to the fucking hole. MCT reply to Brian on Feb 20 at 20:38 Reply +/- Hawes sort of just listened? sixerfan1220 on Feb 20 at 20:38 Reply +/- ugh looks like moultrie isnt going to play eddies' heady's on Feb 20 at 20:38 Reply +/- Hawes walked like shit on that flail of a play. Brian on Feb 20 at 20:39 Reply +/- Good push, good attack. MCT on Feb 20 at 20:40 Reply +/- Turner why did you leave Williams like that? Brian on Feb 20 at 20:40 Reply +/- Come on. They leave Barea wide open for three AND Williams wide open under the rim? How is that even possible? eddies' heady's on Feb 20 at 20:42 Reply +/- Not that it's anything new, and mostly cause it's crossed my mind several times today but, someone just has to take Turner off our hands. For the love of whatever, please someone anyone just do it. Brian reply to eddies' heady's on Feb 20 at 20:42 Reply +/- The organization is apparently split on Turner. How, I have no idea. eddies' heady's reply to Brian on Feb 20 at 20:44 Reply +/- The split ought to be whether he's total garbage or just a scrub. Brian on Feb 20 at 20:44 Reply +/- Turner, brick. Brian on Feb 20 at 20:45 Reply +/- Hawes actually shows, but Young gets hung up on the screen for about 3 seconds. +1 for Schved. eddies' heady's on Feb 20 at 20:45 Reply +/- If you're going to stick your hand in there Turner, foul the guy hard enough where he can't get the shot off please. Brian on Feb 20 at 20:45 Reply +/- Wilkins sighting. Brian on Feb 20 at 20:47 Reply +/- Jrue cheating early for the screen, leaves the middle of the floor open. Hawes watches Barea go right to the hoop. Textbook what not to do against the p&r. eddies' heady's on Feb 20 at 20:48 Reply +/- Heh, the Wolves are heading for at least around 110 in this one. If they aren't gonna save my eyes from Turner I really wish they'd get rid of whatever few guys are actually helping Jrue from time to time and tank the shit out of the rest of this year. It's a waste, and has been for a while. This mess flat out sucks. eddies' heady's on Feb 20 at 20:52 Reply +/- At least when Wilkins either drives or gets near the rim he can get his shot off without it getting blocked. Shved that open for 3? come the fuck on. Lavoy follow. sixerfan1220 on Feb 20 at 20:52 Reply +/- lavoy putback Brian on Feb 20 at 20:52 Reply +/- Jrue, just fucking drive every time. Maybe try to draw some contact once in a while, too. sixerfan1220 on Feb 20 at 20:53 Reply +/- i forgot how bad this team is eddies' heady's reply to sixerfan1220 on Feb 20 at 20:55 Reply +/- yep the last week off was sort of a relief from my point of view as a fan. It kind of felt good not to have to watch this shit. Brian on Feb 20 at 20:55 Reply +/- 13/10 for Pekovic already. Brian on Feb 20 at 20:56 Reply +/- Nice pass, Turner. eddies' heady's on Feb 20 at 20:56 Reply +/- Turnerover you just fucking suck. Fucking suck man... MCT on Feb 20 at 20:56 Reply +/- not sure what you were trying to do with that pass Turner sixerfan1220 on Feb 20 at 20:57 Reply +/- where is moultrie?! MCT on Feb 20 at 20:57 Reply +/- Rubio flop MCT reply to MCT on Feb 20 at 20:57 Reply +/- still an O foul though Brian on Feb 20 at 20:57 Reply +/- Excellent work, Turner. eddies' heady's on Feb 20 at 20:58 Reply +/- Heh, Turner pushes off and after the foul is called he looks over to the bench and Doug and the coach beside him just had their heads buried. ahahhah Brian on Feb 20 at 20:59 Reply +/- Jrue to the line! It's like seeing a unicorn. Brian on Feb 20 at 20:59 Reply +/- They're free, not that it matters. Brian on Feb 20 at 21:00 Reply +/- Great pass, Jrue. Give Wilkins all of Turner's minutes in the second half. eddies' heady's on Feb 20 at 21:00 Reply +/- Wilkins finishes with the left hand inside. See that Evan? Brian on Feb 20 at 21:02 Reply +/- Good follow, Lavoy. Good move out of the post by Jrue, too much English on it, though. eddies' heady's on Feb 20 at 21:02 Reply +/- Wilkins finishes in transition. Get your pen out Evan. Borrow Curry's notepad paper. Brian on Feb 20 at 21:03 Reply +/- Jrue's 4th steal, I believe. Up to Wilkins for the conversion. Turner would've definitely gotten ahead of the pack on that play, right? PHI 41, MIN 56 at the half. They actually closed that quarter well. Heh. eddies' heady's on Feb 20 at 21:04 Reply +/- Sorry fucking half. They're still on break it seems. Think it was two years ago, but we played Minny the first game after the break and stunk the joint up on their floor. Just like tonight so far. sixerfan1220 on Feb 20 at 21:04 Reply +/- 0 minutes for their best big since thad went down Brian reply to sixerfan1220 on Feb 20 at 21:05 Reply +/- Think Collins is worried he'll get pushed around by Pekovic. Not sure why he isn't worried about Hawes getting bitched, but whatever. Couldn't hurt to put him in. Brian on Feb 20 at 21:06 Reply +/- As disheartening as that first half was, I think they come back and win. Don't ask me why. I can't think of a single logical reason. Just a feeling. Brian on Feb 20 at 21:08 Reply +/- Hawes + Turner = 3 points, 4 turnovers. Hawes + Turner + Nick Young = 2/11, 5 points. Brian on Feb 20 at 21:10 Reply +/- Could be worse, could be losing to the Pacers by 36, like the Knicks are. sixerfan1220 reply to Brian on Feb 20 at 21:13 Reply +/- they might fall to the 5 seed Brian reply to sixerfan1220 on Feb 20 at 21:15 Reply +/- I hope I'm not left with only rooting for Melo to fail in the first round again when the regular season is over. Tray reply to Brian on Feb 20 at 21:17 Reply +/- And ping-pong balls. Brian on Feb 20 at 21:18 Reply +/- Assistant coach is ripping Rubio. MCT on Feb 20 at 21:19 Reply +/- Kwame will save us sixerfan1220 on Feb 20 at 21:19 Reply +/- well he benched hawes and turner sixerfan1220 reply to sixerfan1220 on Feb 20 at 21:20 Reply +/- not turner lavoy Brian reply to sixerfan1220 on Feb 20 at 21:20 Reply +/- Turner's in thee. Or they got another fat guy. Benched Lavoy and Hawes. Blown dunk by Kwame on Jrue spoonfeed. Brian on Feb 20 at 21:19 Reply +/- Nick to the line! Didn't see the play, but he was in the paint moving in the general direction of the hoop, so I approve. eddies' heady's on Feb 20 at 21:20 Reply +/- Damn I got happy when I saw Wilkins out there but then I saw #12 too. MCT on Feb 20 at 21:21 Reply +/- nice shot selection Turner Brian on Feb 20 at 21:21 Reply +/- Nice shot, Turner. OK, two gifts on this possession, get some fucking points. Brian on Feb 20 at 21:22 Reply +/- You have to put points on the board while the TWolves are stepping on their dicks. Come on. eddies' heady's on Feb 20 at 21:22 Reply +/- Can't Turner play well and light it up just one time before the deadline? Just once. Brian reply to eddies' heady's on Feb 20 at 21:23 Reply +/- He did. Back in November. There were a couple in there. eddies' heady's reply to Brian on Feb 20 at 21:24 Reply +/- Yeah, then Jrue and Thad started freezing him out. Brian reply to eddies' heady's on Feb 20 at 21:25 Reply +/- thought it was Collins first. Or maybe the refs. MCT reply to Brian on Feb 20 at 21:27 Reply +/- you two are like the drunk guy at the end of the bar who swears people are trying to fight him when no one is saying anything. No Turner supporters around here anymore in case you haven't noticed Tray reply to MCT on Feb 20 at 21:36 Reply +/- mymanjrue occasionally still uncorks a 20-post rant in Turner's defense. Only a couple weeks ago he said Jrue tried to freeze Turner out of a triple-double. Brian reply to Tray on Feb 20 at 21:37 Reply +/- I remember that. Turner had like 4 boards and 4 assists in that game. Tray reply to Brian on Feb 20 at 21:40 Reply +/- He was 40% of the way! mymanjrue reply to Tray on Feb 22 at 22:11 Reply +/- i think he had eight six and four in the first half. my point, however, was that if Jrue has so little confidence in ET as to blatantly refuse to pass him the ball, open or not, as he did in that second half-then Turner shouldn't be on the floor. I mean, what is the point? there isn't any doubt in my mind that Jrue and Evan have a competitive edge in their relationship. over the course of this year, the debate over who is the superior player has basically been settled, but there have still been some flashed of immaturity from Jrue in my view. The last five minutes vs Memphis jumps out in my mind. If Jrue is going to continue to evolve into a team leader, he definitely needs to stop feeling threatened by the likes of Evan Turner I'm sure some will distort my words here, as if I'm suggesting that Turner's struggles are Jrue's fault...which is basically absurd. However, there are occasional stretches where Jrue does freeze Turner out...sometimes it is warranted as Turner is killing the offense, sometimes it is unwarranted, as Turner is on a rare hot streak. But whatever the reason, if you guys haven't thought a handful of times while watching the Sixers this year "heh, Jrue totally does NOT want to pass to Turner"...well, I don't believe you, because it does happen mymanjrue reply to mymanjrue on Feb 22 at 22:15 Reply +/- that Mark Titus guy wrote something about Turner, I think around the time he was drafted...if I'm remembering correctly, he intimated that ET was not exactly beloved in the Buckeye locker room...don't think it's at all farfetched to speculate that there is some volatility in the Jrue-Turner relationship eddies' heady's reply to mymanjrue on Feb 22 at 22:23 Reply +/- Don't get it confused, it's not volatility, it's just stark contrast, that's all. eddies' heady's reply to mymanjrue on Feb 22 at 22:21 Reply +/- I notice the same thing with Jrue, and it is for the good for it to happen. Even when I know Jrue is ending with a selfish tough shot, I'm content with him not passing to "him", .... sitting over there, not cutting, with his hands thwarted out shot-ready, his defender only a length away. You wouldn't pass to that particular player either if you were a heady, understand-situations-and-tendencies point guard. You just don't. mymanjrue reply to eddies' heady's on Feb 22 at 23:01 Reply +/- lol, colorfully put as ever. If you describe things correctly, Fearless Leader Paul Douglas Collins needs to not put "that player" on the floor, which was my point...it accomplished nothin As far as Jrue goes-I would put the occasional freeze out of Turner in the same category as his occasional freezeouts of everybody else on the floor, his tendency to get drawn into dick measuring contests with his PG matchup rather than just getting the last laugh by making a smart basketball play, tendency to, in certain situations, overdribble and turn the ball overtrying to force some heroic one on one play-0or wildly passing off of a forced attempt at a heroic one on one play-all these things, in my mind, are Jrue reverting to a me first, AAU type mindset I'm hard on Jrue lately, because I have seen enough from him this year to believe that I was wrong in the view of his ultimate limitations that I had formed by the end of last year. I now think he can be not just a very good player but actually pretty close to a great one, a guy whose ceiling is the evolutionary Gary Payton. I was totally bullish on Jrue, but very disappointed in his lack of improvememt last year. We've seen enough greatness this year to know what he is capable of. I want to see him make the adjustments he must make in order to deliver that brilliance on a consistent basis. I am also desperate to see him play with an elite offensive player, someone who has to be the primary focus of the opposing defense. I'm smiling just thinking about it. Jrue could be absolutely lethal. I believe in Jrue, and I'm ready for him to be a little less of a kid and a lot more of a man-want to see him channel all that brilliance so that he is playing and making decisions with a singular focus on what will put the team in the best position to win. He's not there yet. He's got a fantastic chance to get there, though. That's why the whiffs of a dysfunctional environment in the locker room and a rapidly deteriorating head coach are so frustrating... It strikes me that Jrue is like the straight a student in a classroom full of kids on the verge of failing...the beleaguered teacher is so grateful for Jrue, and has his hands so full to overflowing with all the D students, that he kinda just lets Jrue do his sthing. So Jrue keeps getting his As, sure, but isn't really learning, or getting prepared to continue to excel even once he's in a classroom FULL of a students... Brian on Feb 20 at 21:23 Reply +/- Jrue turn. Come the fuck on. Brian reply to Brian on Feb 20 at 21:24 Reply +/- got it back. sixerfan1220 on Feb 20 at 21:25 Reply +/- evan gets the roll eddies' heady's on Feb 20 at 21:25 Reply +/- ET with the roll!!! Hey hey now MCT on Feb 20 at 21:25 Reply +/- Turner with the "shooter's" bounce! Brian on Feb 20 at 21:26 Reply +/- Get it under 10 here. Chip away. They're coughing it up every time down. Brian on Feb 20 at 21:26 Reply +/- Lazy pass, Turner. Got lucky. sixerfan1220 on Feb 20 at 21:26 Reply +/- evan jumper eddies' heady's on Feb 20 at 21:27 Reply +/- Turner with the silky smooth J. Brian on Feb 20 at 21:27 Reply +/- Someone call Danny Ferry, right now. Brian on Feb 20 at 21:28 Reply +/- Nick to the line! 4 on Pek? Brian on Feb 20 at 21:28 Reply +/- In the bonus w/ 7:10 left on the clock. And Jrue gets whistled for a shit call. 4 on Jrue. Brian on Feb 20 at 21:29 Reply +/- In comes Ivey. sixerfan1220 on Feb 20 at 21:29 Reply +/- call every gm now! Brian on Feb 20 at 21:29 Reply +/- TURNERJUMPERYESYESYES!!!! eddies' heady's on Feb 20 at 21:30 Reply +/- Heh, Evan wails out after he misses a bunny. Poor guy. MCT reply to eddies' heady's on Feb 20 at 21:32 Reply +/- there was contact there eddies' heady's reply to MCT on Feb 20 at 21:35 Reply +/- I didn't say there wasn't. Brian on Feb 20 at 21:30 Reply +/- Turner complaining on both ends. Awesome. eddies' heady's on Feb 20 at 21:31 Reply +/- He's turned into such a little whiny bitch. Serves him well. Brian on Feb 20 at 21:34 Reply +/- Pretty big swing there. Pek committed his fourth foul, but they gave it to someone else. Next play, they call a phantom foul on Jrue for his fourth. He goes to the bench. Brian on Feb 20 at 21:35 Reply +/- They're free, Nick. Brian on Feb 20 at 21:35 Reply +/- Yep, that was their run. Got it to 9. Now it's over. Brian on Feb 20 at 21:39 Reply +/- What did Pargo do wrong in the first half? Brian on Feb 20 at 21:39 Reply +/- Stop bitching. sixerfan1220 on Feb 20 at 21:40 Reply +/- sissy hook sixerfan1220 on Feb 20 at 21:43 Reply +/- evan jumper Brian on Feb 20 at 21:45 Reply +/- Turner to the line after 21 seconds of Turner dribbling. Nice. Hit the freebies. TURNERISTHESAVIOR! buke reply to Brian on Feb 20 at 21:47 Reply +/- Wonder if he's auditioning for a possible trade to Minnesota? They were interested in him at draft time and it is Big Ten country after all. MCT on Feb 20 at 21:45 Reply +/- hey eddie's, Turner sort of heard your prays...see, he likes you! MCT reply to MCT on Feb 20 at 21:46 Reply +/- *prayers eddies' heady's reply to MCT on Feb 20 at 21:48 Reply +/- I sure wish DiLeo would hear them. Or whoever the dumbfuck is that is "split" on whether they should keep him. MCT reply to eddies' heady's on Feb 20 at 21:50 Reply +/- I think "split" probably means some want to trade him now, and some want to trade him in the offseason or let him expire after next year Brian on Feb 20 at 21:45 Reply +/- Keep it under 10 heading into the fourth, please. MCT on Feb 20 at 21:46 Reply +/- ha, nevermind eddies' heady's on Feb 20 at 21:46 Reply +/- 21 more secs of Turner dribbling and then a turnover. Got it back!! Turner, of course, with his shit packed and then a turnover. Winner. MCT reply to eddies' heady's on Feb 20 at 21:47 Reply +/- did you see that hustle though?! :) Brian on Feb 20 at 21:47 Reply +/- Turner botched that possession 3 times, and saved it 2 times. PHI 67, MIN 76 after 3. It's doable. See what happens when Jrue isn't in there to freeze out Turner? Leave him on the bench for the fourth. Brian on Feb 20 at 21:48 Reply +/- Pistons won, Raptors lost. MIL up 11 on the Nets in the second half. Brian on Feb 20 at 21:49 Reply +/- Jrue coming in to ruin everything. Brian on Feb 20 at 21:50 Reply +/- That was a walk on Pek. Brian on Feb 20 at 21:51 Reply +/- And back to 13 after AK47 drains these freebies. Brian on Feb 20 at 21:51 Reply +/- Wright fouled Kirilenko with his chin. Brian on Feb 20 at 21:53 Reply +/- Another spoon-fed dunk goes for naught. Well, Wilkins to the line, at least. MCT on Feb 20 at 21:53 Reply +/- By the way (random commenthere) if anyone else here is in to the microbrew thing, do not ever try Green Flash Brewery's Rayon Vert (Belgian style Pale Ale). Just cracked one open and it tastes like acetone stonedeightytoo reply to MCT on Feb 20 at 21:57 Reply +/- thanks the green flash i partake in isnt liquid MCT reply to stonedeightytoo on Feb 20 at 21:58 Reply +/- LOL, I guess that makes sense Brian on Feb 20 at 21:55 Reply +/- Ivey three. Get some stops, please. MCT on Feb 20 at 21:56 Reply +/- Malik groaned when Hawes shot that three Brian on Feb 20 at 21:56 Reply +/- Hawes building a house in late transition. I don't think Jrue has taken a shot this half. eddies' heady's on Feb 20 at 21:58 Reply +/- Guess Doug thinks Ivey is this much better defender than Pargo against this daunting Wolves backcourt. MCT reply to eddies' heady's on Feb 20 at 21:59 Reply +/- they don't call him "Smoke" for nothing I actually don't even know what that means stonedeightytoo reply to MCT on Feb 20 at 22:02 Reply +/- one of my homies is called that bc hes darkskinned Brian on Feb 20 at 21:59 Reply +/- Get some penetration, Jrue. Brian on Feb 20 at 22:00 Reply +/- Nice pass, Hawes. That was another walk on Pek. eddies' heady's on Feb 20 at 22:00 Reply +/- Awesome pass Spencer. That was straight to the wrong guy. Brian on Feb 20 at 22:00 Reply +/- 5 on Jrue. Collins will..................take him out. eddies' heady's on Feb 20 at 22:01 Reply +/- Jrue with 5. Brian on Feb 20 at 22:02 Reply +/- Nice foul, Ricky. That's five on him, too. But he's been hurting more than helping tonight. MCT on Feb 20 at 22:02 Reply +/- come on Nick Brian on Feb 20 at 22:02 Reply +/- They're fucking free. Damnit. buke on Feb 20 at 22:02 Reply +/- Nick Young is a wild man. You gotta love him. MCT on Feb 20 at 22:02 Reply +/- wow, fucking wow Brian on Feb 20 at 22:03 Reply +/- 0 for god damned 3 from the line. You fucking asshole. eddies' heady's on Feb 20 at 22:03 Reply +/- WTF Nick??????? damn man it's an open 15 footer Brian on Feb 20 at 22:04 Reply +/- Thank you, Wilkins. Thank you. MCT on Feb 20 at 22:04 Reply +/- they are in the penalty early, that's good at least Wilkins with a nice block Brian on Feb 20 at 22:04 Reply +/- Wow, big rejection by Wilkins. Brian on Feb 20 at 22:05 Reply +/- 1.7 on the shot clock and Hawes fouls him on the inbound pass. eddies' heady's on Feb 20 at 22:05 Reply +/- 1.9 on the shot clock and Hawes fucking holds. buke on Feb 20 at 22:05 Reply +/- One the whole, this is likely Wilkins' best game for the Sixers this year. sixerfan1220 on Feb 20 at 22:06 Reply +/- sissy putback Brian on Feb 20 at 22:06 Reply +/- Turner rejected by the rim...a bunch of slop...Hawes follow 20 seconds later. Down 7. LET'S GO! eddies' heady's on Feb 20 at 22:06 Reply +/- HEH, Turner that was some ugly mess there. Hawes follow. Brian on Feb 20 at 22:07 Reply +/- Jrue back. Put him on Ridnour. eddies' heady's on Feb 20 at 22:07 Reply +/- Jrue back in with 6+ left. Hmmnn Jrue scores in paint. Brian reply to eddies' heady's on Feb 20 at 22:09 Reply +/- What do they have to lose, really? Brian on Feb 20 at 22:08 Reply +/- Back to 7 on a strong move by Jrue. Come on. 7-point game. MCT on Feb 20 at 22:11 Reply +/- two at the line for Jrue after the mismatch eddies' heady's on Feb 20 at 22:11 Reply +/- Oh snap, here's the inevitable tease. Should have known it was coming. Brian on Feb 20 at 22:12 Reply +/- FREEEEEEEE! eddies' heady's on Feb 20 at 22:13 Reply +/- Bad contested shot Jrue. come on. got it back on Pek illegal screen MCT on Feb 20 at 22:13 Reply +/- Wilkins is having a game Brian on Feb 20 at 22:13 Reply +/- Wilkins, money. down 6. eddies' heady's on Feb 20 at 22:14 Reply +/- Damn, the Wolves might want to trade for Wilkins instead of Turner if he keeps this up. MCT on Feb 20 at 22:14 Reply +/- Jesus, another fould? Brian on Feb 20 at 22:14 Reply +/- This fucking flopping spaniard gets bailed out of more shit. eddies' heady's on Feb 20 at 22:15 Reply +/- Screw you, Hawes. That weak ass J. MCT on Feb 20 at 22:15 Reply +/- they are in the penalty, take it to the fucking hole Brian on Feb 20 at 22:16 Reply +/- Turner blocked 2x. Fouled on the second. Hit the freebies, please. eddies' heady's on Feb 20 at 22:16 Reply +/- LOL AK47 making ET his girlfriend. Twice. MCT on Feb 20 at 22:16 Reply +/- fuck you Turner, another missed FT Brian on Feb 20 at 22:17 Reply +/- 5 missed freebies this quarter, right? 3 by nick, 1 by jrue, 1 by turner. in a 6-point game. sixerfan1220 on Feb 20 at 22:17 Reply +/- nice pass jrue eddies' heady's on Feb 20 at 22:17 Reply +/- Jrue to Spencer. SLAM! Brian on Feb 20 at 22:17 Reply +/- Great fucking pass, Jrue. Spence dunk. 4-point game. STOPS. Pek to the line, bleh. eddies' heady's on Feb 20 at 22:18 Reply +/- A hard foul from Turner? Balls. Brian on Feb 20 at 22:21 Reply +/- 5/11 from the line in the fourth. In a 6-point game. Brian on Feb 20 at 22:21 Reply +/- Bad shot, Jrue. no stop here, that's game. eddies' heady's on Feb 20 at 22:22 Reply +/- Hawes to the line. Brian on Feb 20 at 22:22 Reply +/- Hawes to the line. Man, that corner three would've been huge. Hit the fucking freebies. sixerfan1220 on Feb 20 at 22:22 Reply +/- well he made both of course Brian on Feb 20 at 22:23 Reply +/- Brick city from 2 feet by Hawes. eddies' heady's on Feb 20 at 22:23 Reply +/- Ugly, ugly ass lumbering move scoop hook from Hawes. Weakling. Brian on Feb 20 at 22:23 Reply +/- Ugh. Brian on Feb 20 at 22:24 Reply +/- Gota foul. Fucking motherfuckers. sixerfan1220 on Feb 20 at 22:24 Reply +/- game probably eddies' heady's on Feb 20 at 22:25 Reply +/- We go to a Lavoy 15 footer in a 2 for 1. Grreeeaaattttt strategy. Or rather bad damn shot from Allen there. eddies' heady's on Feb 20 at 22:26 Reply +/- Is that correct that the Wolves have only one made field goal this quarter, their first? Brian reply to eddies' heady's on Feb 20 at 22:26 Reply +/- Yep. eddies' heady's reply to Brian on Feb 20 at 22:27 Reply +/- Them's my Sixers. Brian on Feb 20 at 22:28 Reply +/- Get someone else in to give the foul, Collins. Why is Jrue in there? Stupid. eddies' heady's on Feb 20 at 22:29 Reply +/- See there's not a lot of Friday night games on the schedule coming up the next several weeks, and not even that many left the whole season. Bummer. sixerfan1220 on Feb 20 at 22:29 Reply +/- harden has 44 on 19, game still going too Brian on Feb 20 at 22:29 Reply +/- Hit the first two, miss the third...or just miss all three. stonedeightytoo on Feb 20 at 22:30 Reply +/- phila blows Brian on Feb 20 at 22:31 Reply +/- PHI gives it away, MIN takes it final. POTG, Evan Turner. Someone tell his agent he's Depressed Fan's player of the game, see if that pumps up his trade value. eddies' heady's on Feb 20 at 22:31 Reply +/- Doug calls timeout, Brian James drawing it up. MCT on Feb 20 at 22:31 Reply +/- 7 seconds left Dougie boy, let everyone go home already sixerfan1220 on Feb 20 at 22:33 Reply +/- Miami next Brian reply to sixerfan1220 on Feb 20 at 22:34 Reply +/- easy win. sixerfan1220 on Feb 20 at 22:35 Reply +/- harden ends up with 46 on 19 Jakey on Feb 20 at 23:04 Reply +/- I found this comment on a Bucks Blog by MadTown Hoops "I hate Spencer Hawes as a player, but particularly as a person. He’s an insufferable know-it-all and his private comments have come off as racist and classist. His rebounding numbers and percentages are average at best and he likes to take threes, despite shooting at a 30% clip. We do not need that on our team. " http://www.brewhoop.com/2013/2/20/4009698/nba-trade-rumors-2013-bucks-suns-lead-pursuit-of-josh-smith-jennings GoSixers reply to Jakey on Feb 21 at 10:27 Reply +/- WEll, the only thing I wonder is how madtown hoops was able to participate in private conversations with Spencer Hawes to know that he's a racist (his classism comes off constantly, in public discourse) Tray on Feb 20 at 23:56 Reply +/- Harkless had 20 on 15 shots today, and 8 boards, 5 of which were offensive. Vuce with a typical 16 and 13 night on 11 shots, 2 blocks. Jesse reply to Tray on Feb 21 at 1:33 Reply +/- And he is 19, correct? I have a sneaking suspicion that he is going to be really good. Dileo has shown that he is not completely inept at scouting, and obviously the Magic really wanted Harkless to be involved in the deal for a reason. Mike reply to Tray on Feb 21 at 7:19 Reply +/- did you happen to catch the final score of that Orlando game? Tray reply to Mike on Feb 21 at 13:06 Reply +/- They lost by a significant margin, but I believe the game was tied going into the third quarter. So I don't think there was much garbage time. I actually thought about that before I posted the numbers. Brian on Feb 21 at 8:40 Reply +/- Bucks and Celts both lost. The dream will not die! Xsago on Feb 21 at 8:55 Reply +/- So Houston is the only team making trades. Again. I even have a feeling they might not be done yet. I wouldn't be surprised to see some combination of the newly acquired Robinson and Garcia as well as T.Jones and G.Smith be sent to Atlanta for Josh Smith. Brian on Feb 21 at 10:41 Reply +/- Aldridge has the Sixers among the teams chasing Redick hardest. It's not a small group, though. Brian reply to Brian on Feb 21 at 10:42 Reply +/- Bucks, Pacers, Spurs, Sixers. That's the group. Sixers won't get him. GoSixers reply to Brian on Feb 21 at 11:01 Reply +/- My hatred of JJ Redick makes it difficult for me to consider if it would even matter if the sixers got him - I mean - if it's only Evan Turner or Spencer Hawes - sure - just to get them off the team - but how much does he matter? Brian reply to GoSixers on Feb 21 at 11:15 Reply +/- He's a really good fit going forward. Who knows how much it matters if Bynum either doesn't re-sign or isn't healthy going forward. Xsago reply to Brian on Feb 21 at 11:26 Reply +/- Even without Bynum i think Redick is a legit starting 2 guard who can be kept long term. And i think he would be reasonably easy to move if signed to something like a 7 million per year contract,if he is no longer a good fit. Legit 3 point shooters have value these days, and Redick has truly expanded his game of late. Brian reply to Xsago on Feb 21 at 11:33 Reply +/- He'd probably be movable at that price. It would be better if he was an add-on piece for them, meaning Bynum stays. Still think I'd try to get Afflalo and Redick from ORL. GoSixers reply to Brian on Feb 21 at 11:36 Reply +/- Gotta have something the magic want - and the sixers roster isn't jam packed with pieces to want Brian reply to GoSixers on Feb 21 at 11:37 Reply +/- Gotta have something they want and/or be willing to take something they'd like to get rid of. I'd probably be willing to take Al Harrington back in the deal as well (I think his contract can be stretched). GoSixers reply to Brian on Feb 21 at 11:40 Reply +/- If saving money is orlandos desire http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine/?tradeId=atte8je Brian reply to GoSixers on Feb 21 at 11:42 Reply +/- Also works if you sub Wright and Wilkins in for Hawes. Saves them even more money. GoSixers reply to Brian on Feb 21 at 11:44 Reply +/- Yeah - but I wanna get rid of hawes :) But yeah - there's a deal to be made - but purely a dump really - orlando doesn't get much talent compared to what they're trading away - but they do save some money this year and long term...the sixers would probably have to include a first round pick with protections to even entice orlando and, well, they can't really until like 2017 right? Brian reply to GoSixers on Feb 21 at 11:50 Reply +/- I wonder if they could do something else, like remove the protection from the pick Orlando already has from them. They also have 2 second rounders this year, which are probably more valuable than a late-first from the Spurs (last pick in the first round vs. like #5 in the second round w/ no guaranteed contract). GoSixers reply to Brian on Feb 21 at 11:54 Reply +/- Never thought about protection modification - All the sixers can really offer anyone is cap relief really - though with the 'super tax' kicking in soon - maybe that's enough for some teams (like sacramento yesterday - saving a few million and giving up on the #5 pick after less than one season) Tray reply to GoSixers on Feb 21 at 12:57 Reply +/- Who watches Orlando games to know if what Zach Lowe and others say is true, but supposedly he's become an above-average defender, shoots well standstill or on the move, is a smart cutter, and a decent passer. So basically a perfect glue guy to fill in between higher-usage players. Brian on Feb 21 at 12:14 Reply +/- Now they're saying the Bucks have dropped back in Redick talks. GoSixers reply to Brian on Feb 21 at 12:15 Reply +/- Not sure who chris palmer is but he's very disappointed that the celtics want be able to run out a rondo/tyreke back court GoSixers reply to Brian on Feb 21 at 12:16 Reply +/- Broussard said the Pistons are out of it too I bet the magic are over playing their hand :) Tray reply to GoSixers on Feb 21 at 13:07 Reply +/- Yeah, supposedly the demand has always been a first-round pick and a prospect. GoSixers reply to Tray on Feb 21 at 13:08 Reply +/- The demand for HIckson is a first round pick - no takers Tray reply to GoSixers on Feb 21 at 14:09 Reply +/- Hickson's probably not good enough of a defender to be worth that much, but I'm glad he's rehabilitated his career. Actually, I take that back, I'd trade a pick in the 20s for Hickson. Xsago reply to Tray on Feb 21 at 14:16 Reply +/- The problem is Hickson is a free agent. Noone wants to commit to paying him a lot of money long term AND giving up a pick. Tray reply to Xsago on Feb 21 at 14:22 Reply +/- Oh I didn't know he was expiring. But I mean, what if it dawned on the Thunder that Perk gives them nothing and that a run-and-jump big man would help them play with the Clippers and Heat? Maybe their 29th pick would be worth it. sixerfan1220 on Feb 21 at 13:55 Reply +/- jordan crawford to boston, dont know for what dexter pittman and a 2nd rounder to Memphis for a trade exception and the right to ricky sanchez Xsago reply to sixerfan1220 on Feb 21 at 14:01 Reply +/- It's probably going to be Fab Melo to Wizards. sixerfan1220 reply to sixerfan1220 on Feb 21 at 14:02 Reply +/- @WojYahooNBA Celtics will send the Leandro Barbosa expiring contract to the Wizards for Jordan Crawford, league source tells Y! Sports. sixerfan1220 on Feb 21 at 14:05 Reply +/- @Chris_Broussard: Sebastian Telfair to Toronto For Hamed Haddadi deal done, source says sixerfan1220 reply to sixerfan1220 on Feb 21 at 14:06 Reply +/- PHX also gets a 2nd rounder GoSixers on Feb 21 at 14:29 Reply +/- So once again a lot of smoke but mostly a lot of small deals getting done it seems :) If the hawks don't move smith for at least a first round pick and a 'guy' who maybe doesn't last another year or two and they let him walk for nothing - that's a mistake Xsago reply to GoSixers on Feb 21 at 14:39 Reply +/- Smith is gone IMO. They'll just accept the best offer available at the last minute. sixerfan1220 on Feb 21 at 14:47 Reply +/- @KBergCBS Despite Evan Turner's name being "all over the place" in trade talks, league source says Sixers do not expect to make a deal. Tray on Feb 21 at 14:47 Reply +/- Ken Berger tweets: Despite Evan Turner's name being "all over the place" in trade talks, league source says Sixers do not expect to make a deal. Tray reply to Tray on Feb 21 at 14:48 Reply +/- Does that mean people want Turner? sixerfan1220 reply to Tray on Feb 21 at 14:52 Reply +/- yea, kinda GoSixers reply to sixerfan1220 on Feb 21 at 14:56 Reply +/- Not necessarily - maybe it means the sixers called every team and tried to get them to take turner - for a ball of wax even - and no one wanted him GoSixers reply to GoSixers on Feb 21 at 14:59 Reply +/- Sure that's less likely - but still :) However, what it can mean is that while there is 'interest' in Turner it's not really 'knock me down with a feather' interest it's more like 'we'll take him off your hands here's a pittance' interest if none of the deals encourage the sixers to make the move sixerfan1220 on Feb 21 at 15:02 Reply +/- maynor to POR for a pick sixerfan1220 on Feb 21 at 15:03 Reply +/- redick to MIL for Doron Lamb, Tobias Harris and Beno Udrih GoSixers reply to sixerfan1220 on Feb 21 at 15:07 Reply +/- Well we all know Doron Lamb is a superstar waiting to happen so I'm saying the Magic got fleeced :) sixerfan1220 reply to sixerfan1220 on Feb 21 at 15:08 Reply +/- @WojYahooNBA Orlando sends Ayon and Ish Smith to Milwaukee as part of deal for Redick, source tells Y! sixerfan1220 on Feb 21 at 15:05 Reply +/- Hakim Warrick to the Pacers for Josh McRoberts. jsmoove reply to sixerfan1220 on Feb 21 at 17:43 Reply +/- this should be the magic not pacers sixerfan1220 reply to jsmoove on Feb 21 at 17:47 Reply +/- yea my bad sixerfan1220 on Feb 21 at 15:10 Reply +/- morrow to Dallas for Dahntay jones GoSixers on Feb 21 at 15:42 Reply +/- Thunder got Ronnie Brewer from the Knicks Stan on Feb 21 at 15:42 Reply +/- Brewer to the Thunder for a 2nd round pick. Interesting trade. I thought Brewer was a good fit for the Knicks because of his defense, but for some reason his minutes were reduced as the season progressed. GoSixers reply to Stan on Feb 21 at 15:43 Reply +/- The knicks decided to stop pretending to play defense? GoSixers on Feb 21 at 15:45 Reply +/- Saw this in a chad ford chat - made me laugh However, with that said, I've heard rumblings that if Howard told Laker officials this summer that the only way he'd stay in LA is if Kobe leaves, the Lakers could end up choosing Howard over Kobe. Stan on Feb 21 at 15:49 Reply +/- Either the Sixers thought that Turner was worth more than Redick or Orlando thought that Tobias Harris, Doron Lamb and the expiring contract of Udrich was worth more than Turner. GoSixers reply to Stan on Feb 21 at 16:02 Reply +/- I'm gonna say the bucks thought it was worth more than turner - cause redick is more than turner Tray reply to Stan on Feb 21 at 16:16 Reply +/- I think Tobias Harris may be worth more than Turner. (To say nothing of Doron Lamb!) Not sure what happened to him this year, but he looked good last season. MikeW on Feb 21 at 16:00 Reply +/- So we got Charles Jenkins? WTF? sixerfan1220 reply to MikeW on Feb 21 at 16:04 Reply +/- i like him more than pargo Tray reply to MikeW on Feb 21 at 16:19 Reply +/- It's as if they think we're a contender that just needs an extra backup point guard to shore things up around the edges. Or maybe we're going to use him to tank games and give Jrue lots of rest. Hopefully that's the idea.