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not a beal fan? since wall came back hes been pretty solid

Nah, he's been decent. Just think the hype has been a bit much. I probably follow too many Wizards bloggers on Twitter.

More than one? Yes, too many.

Do you think that reacquiring Sam Dalembert or Jason Smith would improve the team? There's the possibility that both are or will become available.

I don't like Al Jefferson's inconsistent defensive work, and he's a player often mentioned as a potential target.

I think almost any serviceable veteran center who isn't too old would improve this team. Dalembert definitely would. Can't really say with Jason Smith. In the few times I've watched him since leaving the Sixers, he struck me as another outside shooting center/power forward. I really wouldn't relish the team getting another one of those. He probably couldn't duck contact any more than Hawes, though.

Assuming they let Bynum walk, I would like to see them make a serious run after Tiago Splitter in the offseason. He's a restricted free agent with a qualifying offer of 4.9 million. He might be pretty tough to pry away from San Antonio, but it's worth a try. There are some other serviceable defensive centers who are free agents. The team doesn't need an all star center. Teams can do just fine these days without one. Just think how much better this team would have been with someone like Asik.

Or Gortat.

Always thought Jason liked to bang (more than Hawes does anyway), but he hasn't been that productive; seems to hustle by nature - nice trait. Splitter showed well in a game against Sixers last year, but don't know much about him.

It's still hard to believe the organization passed on Favors and Cousins given their obvious need of bulk over perimeter players at the time.

Why did Dallas unload Tyson Chandler in a 3-way trade of minor names in Dec '11? He'd sure look nice here.

Instead of overpaying Splitter so we can make a run at the sixth seed, why not tank next year? Jrue is young enough, we got him locked up for 4 more years, he's not going anywhere. Trade Thad for a draft pick, win 20 games and take a shot at getting Andrew Wiggins in the lottery. We already got built in tankers in Turner, Hawes, Lavoy, and Kwame. Let's use them to their full advantage. We need to try to get a star, Spitter is good but he isn't that and never will be. We thought we were getting one with Bynum, instead we got a clown.

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Rusty reply to sander on Mar 3 at 19:01
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Any reason for the weird Jrue substitution before? Can't see the game live...Doug just changing it up?

Looks like he's giving Jrue a couple minutes on the bench in the middle of each quarter, then bringing him back for the end of the Q.

Off topic: I watched the UCLA game last night; I have been trying to tune in to more of the top prospects games now that it looks like we will be "somewhere" in the lottery". Probably well after SM is picked.

Shabazz certainly isn't the basketball messiah, but he looks like a very interesting prospect. His attitude on the court is questionable, you can feel the poor relationship between him and point guard Larry Drew II. Shabazz had the incident earlier this year where he was visibly upset when he didnt get the last shot and Drew hit the winner. He had another incident last night. Although I dont think that is the right way to play... I think there is a chance he is being underutilized by his point guard and I respect his desire to score. He wants that basketball. There is also the chance that I have watched only two UCLA games and would have thought the same thing about Evan Turner's antics when not getting the ball. Eek.

Regardless, the thought of a UCLA backcourt would at least be fun. Shabazz seems to have some James Harden in him (aside from the obvious south paw shooting).

I am not rooting to tank in anyway. Like Brian, I hate to root against a team. BUT I am going to get more engaged in this draft knowing we will be somewhere in the lottery. IF we draft Cody Zeller, I will cry. How about Jrue convinces ownership to get rid of Turner and our pick to trade up for Shabazz.... I can dream, right?

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Charlie H on Mar 3 at 16:40
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Worst 1/2 picks in history? Worse than Ellison/Ferry in '89? Let's hope the '13 draft is better than that one.

sounds like ivey is starting again

Well it worked last night

at least hes putting jrue on the better player tonight

@rashad20: Per Collins, Royal Ivey will start off on Wall, and Jrue Holiday will guard Bradley Beal. Nick Young did not make the trip

Wall FTs not made of bricks: 23 for 24 in last 6, 43 for 48 in last 10.

His mpg are down by ~7 this season, 36 to 29.

Yeah, he's been awesome. 32.9% from the floor over that stretch.

Wen u hayt u hayt, wen u luff u luff.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 3 at 18:12
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Great start, Spence. Bum.

3 and foul on other end.

Aaand we're off. Hawes wins the tip.

Hawes turnover on the first play. And Turner fouls a guy shooting a three. Four-point play coming up. Good start.

jrue 3!

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eddies' heady's on Mar 3 at 18:13
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Their two bigs should abuse us on both ends, if Wittman tries to exploit it.

JRUE43.

Hawes hit a shot!!!!! From Jrue.

You ball man. Turner.

Thad blows a bunny on a pretty setup by Jrue in transition.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 3 at 18:16
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Ugh, Thad should have shot that from the right side of the rim.

Jrue to the hole.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 3 at 18:17
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Jrue attacks, doesn't settle.

The Clippers switched to a zone and the Thunder were flummoxed for about 10 minutes. The Thunder righted the ship at the end.

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Lurker reply to Lurker on Mar 3 at 18:31
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that response was for gosixers

Thanks, turned that game off in the 3rd - the thunder seemed to have it in hand - smart teams were watching and seeing how the thunder handled the zone I'm sure

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Lurker reply to GoSixers on Mar 3 at 18:34
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You missed out on Ibaka punching Blake in the nuts

How the hell did the clippers come back in that game?

thad to ivey

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eddies' heady's on Mar 3 at 18:18
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Royal cutting backdoor baseline, Thad good pass.

Shit, Jrue, just flip it up and you're going to the line there.

Turner had Jrue open for a three when he took that brick.

You're talking like Jrue's father.

Turner to the line.

They're free.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 3 at 18:21
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I'd go to Nene, or Emeka every single time.

Wow, you're right, it really is that bad that Emeka Okafor is a serious offensive threat - that hardly ever happens

Nice look. Lavoy finishes.

Hawes to the line!

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eddies' heady's on Mar 3 at 18:25
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Heh, Spencer running the floor? Of course he's blocked by Wall.

-5 jrue to the bench

Need Wright to play well again tonight.

They're free.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 3 at 18:26
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Jrue getting an early rest.

Good hustle on the o-glass. Ivey finishes it w/ a layup.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 3 at 18:27
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Good hustle by Ivey on both ends.

Man, Thad's been throwing up some garbage.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 3 at 18:30
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Thad forced that one, should have passed it.

wright 3

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eddies' heady's on Mar 3 at 18:30
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D3!

Wright triple. Nice. From Turner, I think.

Wow. Bad, bad lineup out there right now.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 3 at 18:32
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Call the damn foul!!!

Wright was fouled there.

Man. another o-foul. Ugh.

Did Wright get the tech?

doug

Nope, Doug.

Jrue back. They played even when he was out.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 3 at 18:33
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Thad commits a charge. He's struggling to get a look.

Huh? Tech on who? Michael Curry. With the tech.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 3 at 18:34
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Correction tech on Doug.

there you go thad

PHI 22, WAS 26 after 1.

Good energy from the bench crew when they came in, brought them back. Need to keep the momentum in the second and convince the Wiz not to go to Nene on the blocks.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 3 at 18:38
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Wilkins runner.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 3 at 18:39
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Damien o-foul. ugh

Man, what's the with the offensive foul calls?

Tie game. Not anymore.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 3 at 18:41
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Wilkins on fire! heh

Wilkins is on fire!

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eddies' heady's on Mar 3 at 18:44
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D3! step back

Wright for three, and the lead.

Lavoy in for Thad. Thad has two fouls, I believe.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 3 at 18:46
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Dammit, o-board 3 Webster.

Ugh, come on Jrue. Unforced..

Why are you giving ground on that backdown, lavoy?

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eddies' heady's on Mar 3 at 18:48
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Wonder if Doug will adjust here and call for a double on Nene?

There are always guys to double off of. If we don't see it in the first half, we'll see it after the break.

Tits on a bull Hawes.

Good job not settling there, Turner. Gets the reverse layup to drop.

nice move spence

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eddies' heady's on Mar 3 at 18:52
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LOL at Hawes on that o-board move. Fake, fake, scoop.

Ugh. that's horrible. Horrible defense, horrible help. Ariza +1.

wright 3, good pass hawes

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eddies' heady's on Mar 3 at 18:54
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D3!

Another Wright three, this time from Hawes. Nice.

Wright to the line. Hit a pair, huh?

gracias.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 3 at 18:57
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Terrible shot Dorell. Geez

nice evan

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eddies' heady's on Mar 3 at 18:57
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ET attacks.

I hesitate to write this because someone in the Wiz locker room could stumble across it, but why they hell aren't they just giving the ball to Nene on the blocks every time down the floor?

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eddies' heady's on Mar 3 at 19:01
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Stop the ball please!

Ugh. Jrue's runners and pullups aren't dropping. He's missed three of those.

evan backdoor

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eddies' heady's on Mar 3 at 19:01
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ET backdoor cut, Spencer delivers, ET dunks!

Hawes to Turner for the slam.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 3 at 19:03
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Hawes hits a damn 3. Holy moly.

Jrue to the line.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 3 at 19:05
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That was right nasty from Wall. heh

PHI 49, WAS 50 at the half.

Pretty blah half. Down 1. Need some energy after the break.

Posted this above as a bad reply - any reason for the Jrue sub mid 2nd quarter? Doug doing something different?

Yeah, in both quarters he pulled Jrue in the middle of the quarter, gave him a couple minutes rest, then put him back out there to end the quarter. I think he's done that before. Probably trying to limit his minutes a little on the second night of a b2b.

probably should've gotten him more rest in the first half, considering he's shooting 2/9.

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mymanjrue on Mar 3 at 19:12
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loved turner's second quarter. even when his shots weren't falling in the first i kinda expected that to change, he was attacking the glass and i always view that as a leading indicator for him

dorell wright, free from collins' doghouse, also impresses again in the first half

no moultrie...i mean why would you want young legs out there on the back leg of a back to back?what good could that possibly do?

jrue did not do much..his shot is off so i' like to see him look to distribute, get in a rhythm, and then let the offense come

jrue to thad

Jrue to Thad for the layup. Should've been going to the line on the drive initially.

bad shot thad, steals it back

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eddies' heady's on Mar 3 at 19:26
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Thad, step-back brick!

...so how about even a little Moultrie before Thad gets completely gassed?

Terrible foul there. That's like 20% shot by Webster. Just put your hand up.

sissy jumper

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eddies' heady's on Mar 3 at 19:28
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Careless pass, Jrue. Like the idea, but the windown wasn't there.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 3 at 19:29
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Jrue, lucky on that one, near turn.

Jrue to Thad for the layup...I think.

sissy hook

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eddies' heady's on Mar 3 at 19:30
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Heh Hawes over Nene.

Jrue to Hawes in the post. nice move and finish.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 3 at 19:30
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Dammit shoot the floater Jrue!

Tired.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 3 at 19:31
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Ivey was in cement on that Wall crossover.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 3 at 19:33
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Pargo in for Jrue.

Jrue out, Pargo in. Just show some life here. This could slip away and they can't come back from a big hole.

Pargo to the line.

Free

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eddies' heady's on Mar 3 at 19:36
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Poor Turner, always getting swatted.

Look at Hawes!

Good foul by Hawes, too. He's bounced back tonight.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 3 at 19:38
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Bad shot Spence. Forced.

followed by a bad foul. I should learn to keep my mouth shut.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 3 at 19:40
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Down 8, crucial time here. Down 10.

Thad to the line.

Don't dig it any deeper heading into the fourth. Figure Thad splits these. Get a stop and a hoop. 5-7 is doable.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 3 at 19:43
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Yep splitsville

Good hustle, Thad. Great hustle.

Split 'em again?

splits them again

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eddies' heady's on Mar 3 at 19:44
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Ugh Thad gets two more after good hustle. Misses first. Makes second.

4 for 2!

6 for 3?

he made both!!!!!!!

6 for 4!

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eddies' heady's on Mar 3 at 19:45
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Made both that time.

Moultrie sighting! Stop and a hoop. Come on.

oh hey you put in the one guy who actually stays under the basket and check out what happens

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eddies' heady's on Mar 3 at 19:47
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Moultrie looks like he didn't get the memo with those white sneakers on.

Ugh. Two offensive fouls. Moultrie's was bullshit.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 3 at 19:48
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Jrue, pullup, BRICK!

Jrue's shot is just horrible tonight.

moultrie

Moultrie in the post, sort of. Good.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 3 at 19:50
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F me. He was just standing there. That initially was Moultrie's man, don't know who was supposed to have had him.

Jrue was on Okafor on the other side of the lane, I think Moultrie left Vesely to switch onto Okafor. Rookie mistake.

PHI 68, WAS 72 after 3.

Jrue missed a 35-foot lefty runner at the buzzer, and it was closer than most of his jumpers tonight. Hope someone can hit the broad side of a barn in the fourth.

Jrue can't throw it in the ocean. Gets the o-board, then Lavoy's swirls out.

moultrie put back

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eddies' heady's on Mar 3 at 19:54
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Moultrie putback.

Moultrie crashes and converts the o-board.

ugh beal at the buzzer

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eddies' heady's on Mar 3 at 19:54
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F me. ugh

Circus shot at the buzzer. Bad charge on the Sixers on the other end. Tough sequence.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 3 at 19:55
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BS call on Wilkins there. He was not set there. BS!

Turner for Jrue. Hope Turner can find something here. Getting late early.

This lineup should not be giving up o-boards.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 3 at 19:57
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Terrible possession there.

turner from the post

Turner in the post. That should be there every time as long as he's at the point. WAS finally goes back to Nene on the blocks on the other end. First time this half.

Turner's about to get a tech, I think.

thad went right!!!!!

dribble dribble dribble clank and 00 avoids ET to Wilkins to THAD!!

Thad w/ authority!

evan to the line

Turner finally gets to the line. Hit 'em both.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say if Jrue finishes with 2 made field goals, they're going to lose this game.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 3 at 20:07
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Made both.

jrue long 2

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eddies' heady's on Mar 3 at 20:08
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Jrue hit a jumper!!! wow

Jrue hits one! 2-point game. Come on.

jrue 3!!!!!!!! up 1

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eddies' heady's on Mar 3 at 20:08
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Jrue 4 3!

JRUE corner 3!!!!! Sixers lead, baby!

hmm second straight game the all star has decided to just do it himself at the end...after ET called him out the other night

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eddies' heady's on Mar 3 at 20:10
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Lazy ass D, lucky Ariza missed.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 3 at 20:11
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Jrue with a bricked 3.

Heh. And Jrue misses two badly after hitting those two. Come on.

Jrue to the line. Looked like he was mugged and it was a late whistle.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 3 at 20:12
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That looked like a tie-up. Jrue got the foul call.

closer than i thought on the replay.

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eddies' heady's reply to Brian on Mar 3 at 20:13
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Yeah looked like one of those hand is part of the ball types. Close though

Money from the line.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 3 at 20:15
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They realize Nene's on the court.

nice ball movement ends with a thad layup

oooo that did not look good

NICE! Jrue to Hawes to Jrue to Thad for the layup.

Beal hurt. (the NICE wasn't for that)

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eddies' heady's on Mar 3 at 20:16
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Jrue with a nice short dish to Thad for the bucket.

Come on, stop and a hoop.

Nice handle, Wall.

ugh evan

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eddies' heady's on Mar 3 at 20:18
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Wall with a gift turnover right to Thad.

Offensive foul on Turner gives it right back.

Evan, "Anything you can do I can do worser!"

Not sure where you go for this shot. Usually wouldn't be a question, but Jrue's 4/18 and missed his last 2 badly. I guess you dance w/ the one who brung ya.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 3 at 20:21
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Not a good look there, Jrue had to force it up against the clock.

Wall to the line for the tie or go-ahead.

Jrue misses. Wall bailed out w/ a whistle on the other end. No one came close to touching him. Fuck me.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 3 at 20:22
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Turner with his shot blocked. He knew better than to go in there. Dammit

You have to foul. There's only a 4-second diff. Come on.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 3 at 20:23
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Spencer fouled the shit out of Nene on that o-board.

Wall J for a 3 pt lead. 4.4 to go.

That's fucking stupid. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

damn

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eddies' heady's on Mar 3 at 20:25
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Pretty good look from deep, didn't fall. Oh well.

PHI 87, WAS 90 Final.

Miserable. Score one for the pro-tankers.

POTG is Hawes, I suppose.

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eddies' heady's reply to Brian on Mar 3 at 20:27
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I had Dorell for POTG. Not that it matters.

Still can't believe they didn't foul. Horrible.

heh this team has now lost to the Wiz and Magic in the past week

Is there any kind of reason Moultrie doesn't get some more minutes, especially with Lavoy being as bad as he is?

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Geese reply to sander on Mar 3 at 22:50
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As long as Ole Cranky Pants, Doug Collins is coaching this team you can expect for rooks to get no run. Unless a starter is totally, done! Moultrie played well, brought some energy & got a lotta easy baskets, so of course that can't be right! So he gets to hide his behind, back on the pine. I'm sick of Doug Collins & I'd like to see some more Orlando Magic-type losses just so he can blow a gasket & just retire or go somewhere else. I'm tired of him.

And why is it that Pargo was able to beat us then he gets added to the team & he can't give Jrue some solid sub minutes. I just want Collins gone at this point. Moultrie definitely should have gotten more minutes, especially when the starters were clearly gassed.

4-19; ORtg 80, DRtg 102: looking for a pair in D.C.

9th stinker (GmSc below 10.0) in 24 gms since 1/5/13

Jrue Holiday, skateboarder
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7-11, 2-2 FT, last 6 pts; ORtg 127, DRtg 98: king for a day

82nd player to snuff Turner this season

memorable 360, with Spencer having the best view

John Wall, dynamo
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I wonder if "Jerome" Beal appreciated Collin's rubbernecking, reaching-out, grandstanding "compliment" that interrupted and spiced the post-game press conference. Dougie the Dangler...where there's a flashing thought, there's a quip.
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Effort wasn't bad considering the stakes. Sixers were 1 Swaggy P spree from 2 W's in a row.

It's fair to put this one on Jrue. I have no idea what you mean by skateboarder, though.

He's trying to be clever and say Jrue is 'skating by'?

Bad guess. The symbol regards constitution, not effort. Credit for the try.

Just a downgrade from last week's 'windsurfer.'

No idea what that means, either.

I'm going to assume it has something to do with Jameer Nelson having a game score under 10 in 8 of his past 12 games.

Jameer's been banged up, is just pacing himself for next season's re-ascent. :) Sunday, March 10 ~ The Showdown in Orlando! Don't bet your meal money against him.

Besides, Nelson's merely a red herring as it pertains to last night's point guard battle, one which you and Cali comrade GoSixers have largely avoided in commentary, not surprisingly.

You could look at last year's numbers for Nelson, if you'd prefer. Under 10 game score in 31 of 57 regular season games, and 3 of 5 postseason games. Or the year before, under 10 game score in 38 of 76 games, and 3 of 6 postseason games. Or the year before that, under 10 game score in 37 of 65 games. The stretch you called Jrue out for was 9 games out of 24 with an under 10 game score.

And I'm pretty sure I mentioned Jrue's terrible game several times in the game thread, and again when you so helpfully pointed it out.

I didn't end that analysis properly.

Jameer Nelson, anchor (and that's not a compliment).

It goes to show, there's the half-Nelson and there's the full-Nelson.

That 10.0 is a lenient threshhold. Jrue's got a few others in the immediate neighborhood. Has sagged in performance since All-Star excitement.

Am always willing to lend a hand. Just give a whistle.

Go ahead, you set wherever you want. We can look at it from the top down, too. Or you can just keep stepping on your dick by picking and choosing ridiculous arguments to make your paper thin points, then throw your hands in the air when you're called on it. As per usual.

Somebody's got a full head of steam. I'm getting out of the way, like Jrue.

Want "Defense at the basket"

Get me larry sanders

http://espn.go.com/nba/dailydime/_/page/dime-130301/daily-dime

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Stan reply to GoSixers on Mar 4 at 13:56
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raro reply to Stan on Mar 4 at 14:04
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Only one NBA team didn't send ANY reps to the Sloan conference - it was the Lakers - I found that weird - if you told me one team didn't got I would have said a team like the Bobcats or Pacers with 'old school' players running them, or the sixers, who are just backwards

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Tray reply to GoSixers on Mar 4 at 14:09
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Doesn't Rich Cho, noted smart analytics dude, run the Bobcats? (See http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/06/23/3337874/bobcats-hope-massive-revamp-of.html )

I was thinking of their owner actually - forgot they made a smart hire.

I wish that Sloan would put up previous years presentations - last year there was a 'value of a blocked shot' paper presented regarding valuing blocked shots differently depending on the outcome - something I wanted to study for a few years now - but I can not find the paper anywhere - maybe someone else noted it

Lottery update:
10 teams have a worse winning percentage than the Sixers, 8 teams have less wins, and 5/8 teams are within 2-3 games of the Sixers win total.

That leaves 3 teams:

Washington- 4 games
Orlando- 7 games
Milwaukee- 10 games

Nerlens Noel 13'!

I'm only OK w/ Nerlens if the Sixers go all in on the knee-rehab thing. Nerlens, Bynum, trade for Rondo, trade for Revis, too, if he can shoot the three.

Don't forget Eric Gordon!

Noel's injury doesn't scare me as much. Players comeback from torn ACLs without significant problems lately, especially young ones. And it's not like Noel is a shooter which research (although one based on limited sample size) suggests is the only part of the game that is actually affected.

His non-existent offensive game does though. Since this is a draft without any real star, i guess i'd roll the dice on him but he is far from a sure thing. And he is probably 3-4 years away from being able to significantly contribute.

That being said Noel will be a top 2 pick IMO and unless the Sixers get super lucky or something goes horribly wrong with his rehab the Sixers won't be drafting him in June.

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Tray reply to Xsago on Mar 4 at 15:27
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Does Nerlens project better or worse than Bismack did two years ago?

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Court_visioN reply to Xsago on Mar 4 at 15:29
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I find it sort of hard to believe that a torn ACL affects your shooting more than anything else...

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Stan reply to Brian on Mar 4 at 15:37
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Do you think Amare can play the 3?

Ah. Good one.

Rondo/Revis
Gordon
Stat
Nerlens
Bynum/Oden

Adam aron answering callers from 4-5 on 97.5 fm

The pre-roll commercial to that adam aron interview is cruel (knee replacement surgery).

"4 doctors cleared the trade." I believe that's a misleading quote. 4 teams involved in the trade, I'm assuming one doctor for each team. So one doctor looked at Bynum, that's my takeaway from that.

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Tray reply to Brian on Mar 4 at 16:28
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Hard to believe we'd rely on the opinion of a single doctor.

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Stan reply to Tray on Mar 4 at 16:35
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Bynum did play 60/66 games last year, and I think he missed 4 games because of a suspension. He also played 12 playoff games last year and averaged 37 mpg.

Last summer there were more injury concerns with Howard than there were with Bynum

And yet the Lakers were happy to give up Bynum (finally) to get Howard.

Everyone keeps referring to 'last year' as it was some sort of panacea - before last year - Bynum consistently missed games - consistently showed a rather 'lackadaisical' approach to rehabbing and taking care of himself when injured, delaying surgeries so he could go to the world cup for instance.

I still never understood the 'it's all better now' thing that people took away from that one season.

Bynum missing games (not this many per se) was a much more likely outcome based on his entire career than not missing games.

And I gotta say - his contract is going to have the amare poison of not being insurable most likely which means if you sign him you are stuck with him.

At this point - unless you can sign him on a series of 'one year' options that are health related, I'd consider him toxic

Actually i've read/heard this one before. I do think 4 doctors is the actual number of doctors that the Sixers contacted for advice. What they couldn't predict though is that Bynum will get injured in September and will make things worse by going bowling with bad knees.

Bynum might have arthroscopic surgery this year. I wonder if teams like Houston, Phoenix, Dallas, or Atlanta will still offer him the max.

I would offer Bynum a 4 year deal worth around $60-70 that gives him the option to opt out each year.

If he does opt out, can the Sixers still use their bird rights to re-sign him to the max?

There are a bunch of rules around options. I still like the idea of a guaranteed 3-year max deal, with incentive-based options for years 4 and 5. He hits certain numbers, those years become player options. He doesn't, they're team options. Basically, you play, you can get a new contract when you're 28. You don't play, we're only on the hook for 3 years/$60M or so. I'm not sure if that's allowable under the CBA, though.

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buke reply to Stan on Mar 4 at 16:42
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You mean the same Houston team that was burned by Yao Ming's incurable injuries?

After this year's debacle, you would offer Bynum a long-term deal that doesn't bind him but does bind the team?

Wow. I guess some people refuse to give up their dreams no matter how much they are exploited because of them.

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buke reply to GoSixers on Mar 4 at 17:44
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I think the explanation of the differential regard is much simpler than what this author proposes. The difference between the respective fans' feelings over Rose and Bynum are likely the result of the following:

1) Rose was drafted by the team as the top pick and responded with multiple years of elite, all star level performances. When he was injured, he was injured in the heat of battle for his team. Bynum is an import and has given his current team absolutely nothing in exchange for his lucrative compensation and the sacrifices made by the team to acquire him.

2) Any expression of hostility toward Bynum by Philly fans is a natural (although perhaps not completely rational) reaction. If he is cut loose at the end of the season (which is my expectation at the moment), fans want to drive away any possible feelings of regret over that decision. This type of emotional reaction is similar to the way many mates begin thinking about their exes following a breakup.

I don't think the less endearing public persona of Bynum vis a vis Rose to Chicago has much to do with the feelings of Philly fans at the moment. Iverson had an outlaw persona and was always a bit of a train wreck in his personal life but he was loved by the majority of Philadelphia fans because of his years of contributions and his reckless abandon on the court. Even after he was traded the majority of the fans still liked him.

I believe that Ziller was commenting regarding 'league wide' perception of Bynum and Rose (just check out the ESPN coverage last week). It's not just Philly who has this 'attitude' towards Bynum differing from Roses, it's NBA fans in general.

And no 'hostility' towards Bynum for being injured isn't natural - irrationality isn't natural - but definition. Fanaticism isn't 'natural' by definition - in sports everyone excuses it - in religion it gets people killed, but fanaticism comes from the same place - just different expression.

Iverson played hurt, Iverson played damaged, Iverson worked his ass off if he ever was hurt, his 'outlaw' personality whatever, comparing Bynum to Iverson is insulting to Iverson.

People don't mind an outlaw personality in their athletes anyway - they despise perceived laziness or lack of work ethic since you're getting 'so much money' to play a game

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buke reply to GoSixers on Mar 4 at 18:16
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Ah.....no one is threatening to kill Bynum. A lot of people just want him gone. I wouldn't call that fanaticism.

I did not compare Bynum's play to Iverson's in Philadelphia. In fact, I said the opposite. What I said is that Iverson's public persona didn't hurt him among Philly fans (didn't hurt him much with fans around the country either) precisely because of his play. So, either you have exhibited your poor reading comprehension once again or you're just saying the same thing I did but claiming that I didn't.

Ironic that you accuse me of poor reading skills and suffer from the exact same thing.

Iverson and Bynum have little to nothing in common (part of Zillers argument had to do with which team drafted them as well), Iverson is some sort of straw man you threw in there.

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Stan reply to buke on Mar 4 at 18:08
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If Bynum gets a long term contract and never returns to full form, there will always be a looming doubt as to whether this has more to do with his injury or lack of commitment to his rehab. The perception will be that once he received his long term deal, he stopped caring about winning or playing up to his contract.

Rose on the other hand leaves no doubt among his fans that he is working as hard he can to retain his full form. That's the major difference. Even if Rose had torn his ACL during his contract year, I don't think many teams in the NBA would hesitate giving him a max deal.

On one hand you have a guy who wants to be considered among the greats and on the other hand you have a guy who may not even like playing basketball.

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buke reply to Stan on Mar 4 at 18:24
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Yes, I could buy that explanation, too.

Marc Stein ranks the sixers in the bottom 5 this week and has this to say - emphasis mine

The Bynum saga is only getting sadder with the news that more surgery looms, but you'd struggle to find a GM who wouldn't have made the same trade Philly did. Had to gamble on Drew after maxing out with its previous group and probably have to bring him back given how young he is.

The Rose situation is probably worse than Bynum's. He's locked into a long term deal that will pay him $95 million and his main asset was his explosiveness. He might not get that back. If that's the case, the Bulls might be stuck in an era of mediocrity in which they'll never be an elite team and stuck with paying the luxury tax. At least the Sixers have an option to get out of the Bynum situation.

Yeah, I think people should be more worried about Rose than they are. It's not like he was the model of health then this freak thing happened and he missed a year. He's had problems staying healthy prior to this. Kyrie sure seems frail, too.

You're only saying that cause Jrue is strong like bull

Well, he's no Jameer. The epitome of strength.

Full recovery from ACL tears has a solid track record. Full recovery from arthritic knees doesn't. That's why people have a relatively high hope for Rose and a very low one for Bynum. That and the fact that Bynum's injury got far worse while bowling.

Tonights 'root for the lottery' desires

Cleveland over the Knicks
Milwaukee over Utah
New Orleans over Orlando (closer to NOH)
Minnesota over Miami
Toronto over GOlden State
Portland over Charlotte just for breathing space

I'll say New Orleans and Milwaukee help the sixers out

Sixers 'lottery hope' stat of the night courtesy of ESPN DIME

The Cavs have won the last 10 straight games in Cleveland v. the Knicks

That seems weird

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mymanjrue reply to GoSixers on Mar 5 at 2:07
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a handy feature, thank you

From LIberty ballers

Barzilai is the new 'head of anlytics' the sixers hired


Barzilai: So Doug, I was reviewing each player’s true shooting percentages and found some interesting results.
Doug: True whatta?
Barzilai: It’s basically FG% but it takes into account a players FT% too.
Doug: They didn’t have that when I was playing. I wish they had a stat that took into account if someone is playing out of their shoes. Could you come up with something like that?
Barzilai: Playing out of their shoes?
Doug: Yea, and also add how many times a player has been booed at home.
Barzilai: But…
Doug: Did I ever tell you that one time Pat Summit came to one of my coaching clinics?
Barzilai: Yes, but I think we’re getting off subject. Back to TS%, what I wanted to say is that Spencer is shooting below average for a starting center. Meanwhile, Moultrie is performing very well in that stat. Six points higher than Spence to be exact.
Doug: Moultrie?
Barzilai: Yea, Moultrie. You know our 1st round pick from last year. That guy you said was a top 10 player in the draft.
Doug: ??
Barzilai: You seriously don’t know who I’m referring too?
Doug: (starring blankly)
Barzilai: He consistently dominates Spence in practice.
Doug: Oh your talking about Lavoy.
Barzilai: No, I’m not. He’s actually better than Lavoy too.
Doug: Wait, are you talking about the guy who’s always chewing gum and wears the wrong color sneakers? (Doug pointing in Moultrie’s direction)
Barzilai: Finally, yes, that’s who I’m talking about. I think he needs more playing time.
Doug: But he’s only a rookie.
Barzilai: So?
Doug: Listen, Aaron. I didn’t get where I am today by playing rookies. How about we make a deal? I’ll give Kwame more minutes and Moultrie can learn from him.
Barzilai: I don’t think that’s necessary.
Doug: Necessary? Is it necessary for me to drink my own urine? No, but it’s sterile and I like the taste.
Barzilai: What?!
Doug: Did I ever tell you that I coached Michael Jordan?
(Barzilai shakes his head and walks away)

The refs in this t'wolves heat game are AWFUL - I mean yeah, miami will probably win but the refs are about to create a riot in the target center

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johnrosz reply to GoSixers on Mar 4 at 21:59
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They really let it get away in the last few minutes here.

I missed the intentional 2 (how does JJ Barea do anything to ray allen) but I thought adelman was gonna get ejected too - and don't care what the wolves announcers say - Shved got fouled on that 3 - he didn't kick out - there has to be some 'intent' written into that foul call protocol

From the ESPN recap of the Knicks game:

The Knicks were down 52-30 when Anthony caught a pass near midcourt, tripped over his own feet and fell. He stayed on his back for several seconds, got up and headed directly to New York's locker room. Anthony didn't appear to be injured and seemed to be more embarrassed than anything.

With Anthony out and icing his knee and maybe getting a massage for his ego, the Knicks went on a 17-4 run and closed within 61-49 at halftime -- not bad, considering how poorly they had played.

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Stan reply to Brian on Mar 4 at 23:35
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You're the one who thought he should be considered a MVP candidate :)

My problem with Bynum is eventually you have to decide if you want to take every step possible to play basketball. Imo he will either eventually have microfracture surgery or be out of the league. Those knees are toast as they are currently. He is going to basically have gone a year without playing and yet he had zero surgeries. Getting some shots in your knees is not a surgery. I've never seen anything like it a guy not being able to play for a year. He is recovering from what chronically bad knees lol.

Is this the type of injury that micro fracture surgery would address.

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Stan reply to KH on Mar 4 at 23:40
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"some players such as Jason Kidd, Steve Yzerman, John Stockton, Kenyon Martin and Zach Randolph[16] have been able to return at or near their pre-surgery form while players Ron Harper, Brian Grant, Chris Webber, Allan Houston, Penny Hardaway, and the late Derek Smith never regained their old form.[9] Others such as Jamal Mashburn and Terrell Brandon never recovered and retired. Portland Trail Blazers rookie Greg Oden underwent the procedure on his right knee in early September 2007 and missed the entire 2007-2008 NBA season. At only 19 at the time of the surgery, doctors were confident that he would return to at or near full strength by the 2008-2009 season; he had a second microfracture surgery, this time on his left knee, in November 2010. Oden is once again expected to miss most of the 2011-2012 season after missing the previous season due to knee issues.[17] The Atlanta Hawks player, Tracy McGrady also underwent microfracture surgery, doctors were confident that the 2 time scoring champion will return to full strength. As of 2012 he has not had the same speed and jumping ability as he formerly did.

In October 2005, young star Amar'e Stoudemire of the NBA's Phoenix Suns underwent one of the highest-profile microfracture surgeries to date. He returned to the court in March 2006 and initially appeared to have made a full recovery, but subsequently started feeling stiffness in both knees (his right knee had been overcompensating for the injured left knee). He and the team doctor decided he needed more time to rehab and he did not return until the 2006-2007 NBA season.[18] During the 2006-2007 season, Stoudemire returned to form, averaging 20.4 points and 9.6 rebounds per game while playing in all 82 regular-season games and the 2007 NBA All-Star Game. His recent success has brought positive publicity to the procedure, further distancing it from a previous reputation as a possible "career death sentence" in the sports world, though he was one of the youngest of the aforementioned players to undergo the surgery."

Fuck this. I can't tolerate the uncertainty. Give me Nikola Pekovic and/or Paul Milsap

so you'd rather take guaranteed first round exits over the chance of getting that 2007 Amare season?

Is there some report saying Bynum's considering microfracture surgery? Or is that just something you found about it?


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