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something Denver does on offense is they have their players stand out of bounds to space the floor better and most of the time the other teams actually guards them, someone(mike prada i think) on sb nation had a breakdown of it

They stand out of bounds on the wings?

Collins should be held accountable for burying Wright for a big part of the season behind these garbage players like Nick Young and turner. But of course he won't be.

what Denver is doing is pretty remarkable. going to be fun rooting for them in the playoffs. still don't think they can beat OKC, but they have a winning record this season against every single playoff team in the West. i'm happy for Iguodala.

I've watched the Nuggets closely this year, having followed Iguodala westward. They don't have a "superstar," but they have a good shot at challenging the "teams without superstars can't win titles" theory, with all nine rotation players having PERs 15.0 and above (which has to be some sort of record). They aren't a good shooting team (25th in 3P%, 29th in FT%), but they play exactly how a team should play if it isn't a good-shooting team: they run (lead NBA in fastbreak points), they penetrate and dish (2nd in assists), they attack the rim (about to obliterate the NBA all-time record for points in the paint), and they offensive rebound (lead NBA). In other words, exactly the opposite of how the Sixers play.

Iguodala has had a so-so year, by his standards. He was leading the team in scoring after the first month, but the team wasn't doing as well then. During the 29-6 streak in the last couple months, he's blended in on offense (Lawson and Gallinari are the "shooters" on the team) and focused on defense. On defense, Iguodala's numbers are down because (a) he's downgraded from one of the best on-ball point guard defenders in the league in Jrue to two of the worst in Lawson and Miller [so Denver is constantly in rotations] and (b) he's downgraded from one of the best help big-men in the league in Thad to two of the worst in Faried and McGee. But even in a down year, Iguodala is still at the top of the league (6th in PER against at last check). He often does guard opposing point guards like Chris Paul and Russell Westbrook. It will be interesting to see if they put him on Jrue.

All that said, Coach Collins' defensive philosophy (no points in the paint) is geared toward stopping Denver's halfcourt attack, plus the Sixers' best scorers (Jrue, Thad) match up with the Nuggets' worst defenders (Lawson, Faried), so if the Sixers play their average game (i.e., not a game like last night), they will likely make it closer than the 15-point spread.

Lawson is a game time decision

The Rose thing gets weirder and weirder:

Chicago Bulls point guard Derrick Rose said Thursday he still doesn't have a return date in mind, despite the fact less than a month remains in the regular season.

"It could be tomorrow and I feel like I could play the next game," said Rose, who tore the anterior cruciate ligament in his knee during the playoffs last year. "Nobody knows but God."

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Charlie H reply to Tray on Mar 22 at 12:17
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Rose is as nutty as Bynum.

Lawson and Chandler wont play for denver

PEW ALERT: Following meditations on Andre "I Bring The Clang" Iguodala and Jrue "Heave If You Believe" Holiday, Friar Collins, in an unusual ad hoc motion, has added the Pepsi Center rims to the community prayer list.

I don't get this unremitting mockery of our two best players in the post-Iverson years.

Dollar Bill has been waiting for this game all year. If the Sixers win, it's because Iguodala sucks. If the Sixers lose, it's because Jrue sucks. Win-win.

Is Iguodala's contract up after this season or next?

player option for next season. Not sure if he'll opt out or not. Probably not, unless an extension is in place.

has a 16 million player option for next year

wait it might not be 16 million but its around there i think

Yeah, it's $16M+, I think. Just check the latest Denver reporter saying he doesn't score enough to justify his contract.

Aaaaand we're offf....Hawes loses the tip.

man are those ugly unis that Denver is wearing

Turner handling w/ Iguodala on him. Heh.

why is miller on jrue

Don't ask why, just hope it lasts.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 21 at 21:11
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Dre on Turner, who's initiating first possession here.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 21 at 21:13
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Turner passes it to the ref on the baseline.

jrue

Wilkins w/ the shooter's roll, and Jrue picks Miller's pocket and finishes. Nice.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 21 at 21:14
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That was a somewhat casual contest by Iguodala there on that Jrue break.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 21 at 21:14
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Damien steal and push-up and dish to Thad on a break.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 21 at 21:16
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Thad with the good hands and eventual steal.

Nice touch, Jrue. :)

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eddies' heady's on Mar 21 at 21:17
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Jrue gambles for the steal and gives up a Miller-banker.

Jrue with the stuck-brick.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 21 at 21:17
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That's rare to see, Hawes tipped the ball and even recovered the tip.

Damien runner.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 21 at 21:19
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Damien poke-away and steal. Thad stuffed. Thad steal.

Is that two on Turner?

Early burn for Moultrie.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 21 at 21:20
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Thad and Turner w/ early rest. Moultrie and Ivey in.

Jrue to the siss.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 21 at 21:20
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Jrue w/ the dump-back to Hawes for the lay-in.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 21 at 21:24
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Bad possession out of that TV timeout there.

this lineup isnt good

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eddies' heady's on Mar 21 at 21:24
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Jrue penetrate and kick to Hawes for baseline J.

Gotta finish that, Jrue. You can get in the lane every time down the floor.

ivey 3

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eddies' heady's on Mar 21 at 21:25
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Ivey 3!

Jrue to Ivey for three.

sissy 3

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eddies' heady's on Mar 21 at 21:26
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Hawes w/ the 2nd chance 3!

Offensive goal tend, offensive foul, turnover. Three straight possessions for Javale.

Three for Spence on the second try on the other end. Jrue is penetrating at will.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 21 at 21:29
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Turner tries an alley oop this time to the ref on the baseline.

If the zebras could fucking finish he'd have two dimes.

Jrue to the bench. Turner with his second turn on possibly the worst lob I've ever seen.

this Moultrie fellow seems to be somewhat good at that thing called rebounding

Good work by Moultrie on the offensive glass. He gets a pair at the line for the effort.

Please tell me that was Turner's third foul.

Iguodala hits a pair.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 21 at 21:33
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Only his 2nd I think.

PHI 22, DEN 17 after one.

Little-known stat. The Sixers are 24-0 when leading after four quarters. Undefeated.

Jrue to Thad, good.

Ugh, Iguodala dunk. Iguodala steal. Iguoala assist on the corner three.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 21 at 21:38
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Turnover, turnover, etc. shit

Andre on Jrue now.

thad jumper

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eddies' heady's on Mar 21 at 21:38
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Who's got Brewer? come on, man up

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eddies' heady's on Mar 21 at 21:39
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Damien J.

Come on, can't keep leaving shooters like this.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 21 at 21:40
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Thad with the lazy get-back to Danilo there. Gives up a 3.

Thad.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 21 at 21:40
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Thad looks gassed. He needs a breather.

That's ugly, Jrue.

....first team to 60 wins this one?

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eddies' heady's on Mar 21 at 21:41
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Lazy ass pass attempt from Jrue. He should have just shot it.

He literally could've done anything but what he did and they get points there. Shoot it, just wrap the pass around to Wilkins. Anything but an underhanded oop attempt. Ugh.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 21 at 21:44
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Damien and-one. Turner feverishly takes notes. heh

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eddies' heady's on Mar 21 at 21:45
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Thad fadeaway airball. ugh

Jrue to the line! (for a tech)

thad somehow

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eddies' heady's on Mar 21 at 21:47
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Good fake, Thad. really good deceptive move

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eddies' heady's on Mar 21 at 21:48
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Somebody might want to stay w/ Brewer.

Moultrie with a good pass to Jrue. Jrue gets a lot of contact but no call.

If it wasn't a foul, Brewer was definitely standing out of bounds when he touched the ball on the rebound.

wait what did Koufus just get blocked by the rim??

Jrue now 3/15 on the trip.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 21 at 21:49
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Hawes throws Danilo out of the way. O-foul.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 21 at 21:51
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Ivey can't stick with Brewer.

charge on Jrue. He didn't seem too pleased with the call, but it looked like a good call to me.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 21 at 21:52
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Damn, Wilkins just invited Miller with the matador cape. Must've have thought he was sending him to the help.

Wilkins J. Sharpen your pencil ET. Don't run out of paper.

Jrue's pissed again. Like last night.

Yup, there's the tech. "Call the fucking foul!"

another t on jrue

he really did get hit on that layup.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 21 at 21:53
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Jrue tech? Dag. He got bumped again just like on that previous play where Faried bumped him.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 21 at 21:54
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Did Iguodala establish himself back inbounds there before that lay-in?

Hawes.

Didn't think so. The second one wasn't questionable, though. Turner is officially one of the defenders Iguodala sees as easy money.

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eddies' heady's reply to Brian on Mar 21 at 21:57
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Iguodala sees? Apparently the staff does too when Wilkins gets the best opposing perimeter player assignment now.

Nice D, Turner.

They should have the oxygen mask ready for Turner at halftime.

Jrue still on the bench.

so doesn't Durant lead the league or close to it in techs for whining about fouls? And KD also draws tons and tons of free throws per game and therefore leads the league in scoring?

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eddies' heady's on Mar 21 at 21:59
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Heh, Wilkins picks Randolph's pocket.

Thad gets his pocket picked.

Like watching Faried tho, that guy gives effort.

PHI 44, DEN 51 at the half.

Don't think a Jrue iso with Iguodala on him and Faried right there for help is a great call at the end of the half.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 21 at 22:02
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Anybody want to man-up on Brewer and they're up a decent amount at the half instead of down.

Denver back to Miller on Jrue to start the second half.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 21 at 22:18
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ET J.

Sucks not having a shooter out there on the wing.

you don't trust in the shooting skillz of...Damien Wilkins?

Nice pass, Turner.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 21 at 22:20
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Turner tried to throw that one to the fans in the 2nd row behind Nugs bench. His passes are crisp tonight, to anyone not on the court that is.

JRUE43.

wilkins

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eddies' heady's on Mar 21 at 22:21
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Damien J.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 21 at 22:22
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ET pullup over Dre again.

Dre laughs every time.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 21 at 22:22
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Don't ever pass it backwards to Hawes, Damien. Never.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 21 at 22:23
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Evan actually doesn't get blocked and finishes a drive.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 21 at 22:24
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Hawes with the studly finish. heh

That was Hawes' most forceful rejection ever.

They're free, you old fuck

Iguodala back on Jrue.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 21 at 22:26
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Terrible turnover there. Was that on Damien?

Think Jrue can go 41 minutes tonight? That would be the rest of the game.

Turner corner brick. Miller layup on the other end.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 21 at 22:29
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Dammit, just let Miller go all the way to the rim.

Jrue to Wilkins for the corner three.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 21 at 22:30
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Wilkins 3. It's so hilarious to see him outshine Turner. It really is.

Nice fucking pass, Turner. You scrub. Pretty sure that turnover goes to Jrue, too, who had to dive out of bounds to try to save it.

MOULTRIE!!

Wow, nice finish by Moultrie. Hawes w/ the oop.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 21 at 22:31
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Hahahahah Spencer oop pass to Moultrie!! Underhanded scoop pass too.

They changed that turnover to Turner. Rightfully so.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 21 at 22:33
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Wilkins 3!!!!!

wilkins 3

Jrue to Wilkins for another corner three. Then Brewer gets one on the other end.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 21 at 22:34
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Ivey just needs to face-guard Brewer at this point. It's his only chance.

Lazy pass, Wilkins. Come on.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 21 at 22:34
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Dammit Damien. Lazy pass. Dunk on other end. ugh ugh ugh

yknow if only this team had a huge beastly center underneath...

Need to have a lead by the time Jrue goes to the bench.

thad jumper

jrue 3!

JRUE43!

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eddies' heady's on Mar 21 at 22:40
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Jrue pullup 3!

woah how the hell does he make that??

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eddies' heady's on Mar 21 at 22:42
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Javale with that lucky mess....

PHI 71, DEN 75 after three.

Not the way you wanted to end the quarter. If Jrue goes to the bench here to start the fourth, this will balloon to 10+ quickly and the game will be over.

0 boards for Thad in 27 minutes. Not quite ideal.

0 boards for Turner, too. His rebounding has disappeared with the rest of his game as this season has worn on.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 21 at 22:46
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Turner's back in for Jrue, he'll save the day.

OK, Jrue to the bench.

Nice pass, Turner.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 21 at 22:47
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Turner passes it to a Nugs player's ankle. Crips again.

ugh if you're going to start jacking 3s at least put swaggy in

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eddies' heady's on Mar 21 at 22:48
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Wilkins steal and runout and FINISH!

Why doesn't Wright go up into the guy when they bite on his pump fake?

sissy putback

Spence follow slam. Bench doing the job, keep it up.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 21 at 22:50
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Moultrie, from Spencer. They're up 3 w/ Jrue on the bench. Turner's the savior I'm telling ya.

Huge 3-minute stretch there, bench +7. Hope Collins doesn't go crazy trying to ride the "hot hand" here. Turner threw one pass into a Nugg's ankle, and on that last play he dribbled the ball off his knee.

Turner w/ the finish. Up 5.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 21 at 22:52
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Turner drive and finish.

oy that ET drive is going to keep him out of the Doughouse for far far far too long

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eddies' heady's on Mar 21 at 22:53
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Turner pullup. BRICK!

Jrue back in. Iguodala back in for DEN.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 21 at 22:54
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Turner spin move, walks a mile, No call and he finishes.

Shit, they got the switch they wanted, putting Miller on Jrue. Do something with it.

Turner finishes again.

argh Turner picks this of all nights to do his best Iguodala impersonation

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eddies' heady's on Mar 21 at 22:55
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Thad has to make that.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 21 at 22:57
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Looks like Evan took some good attentive notes on Damien's game. He's shiiiining.

et

Turner long deuce!

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eddies' heady's on Mar 21 at 22:58
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ET with the behind-the-back step-back J.

where the hell has this turner been???

Nice pass, Jrue.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 21 at 22:58
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WHat the hell was that Jrue??? come the EFF on man

dorell was out there?

What a find! Jrue to Thad for the slam.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 21 at 22:59
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Whew!!! Good hard whip-pass from Jrue to Thad.

Good foul, Jrue. Turner coughs it up again.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 21 at 23:00
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Stop bitching and get down the fucking floor Turner!!!

Hawes long deuce.

sissy jumper

oy that was the most hawful shot they've taken this game and somehow it falls

THAAADDDD!!!!

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eddies' heady's on Mar 21 at 23:02
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WHOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA Jrue with a sweet and timely pass to Thad for a half-court oop!!!!!

Jrue oop to Thad! Off the long outlet.

Jrue rejected Miller on the other end, think they called the foul down low.

jrue 3!!!!!!

JRUE43!!!!!!

!!!!!!!JRUUUUUEEEE!!!!!

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eddies' heady's on Mar 21 at 23:03
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Jrue off the curl and handoff from Hawes for 3!

Come on, finish this shit.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 21 at 23:04
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Hawes block!!!! Damien save, good hustle.

Oh shit, Turnerover!

That's his 6th. To be fair, Jrue has 5. To be more fair, Jrue has 15 assists, turner has nil.

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eddies' heady's reply to Brian on Mar 21 at 23:07
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Yeah, but Jrue doesn't have 3 to people standing out of bounds.

Damien and-one!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Damien fuckin' Wilkins! heh

wilkins?!!?!?!

Wilkins +1! Miller on him in the post.

they're free.

oy damien gets the and-one, damn he is giving them quite the game...and clanks the free one

Hit the road Spence...

Can't fucking foul there, Moultrie.

is it too late to wake Lavoy up out in the Doughouse? ahahah coming in for a landing finally!

need to go quicker jrue

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eddies' heady's on Mar 21 at 23:11
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Shoot the ball Jrue!!! and stop dancing with it man, shit

Don't like icing the clock in this situation. Especially don't like icing it until you get the violation. He was surprised by the double.

Now you can ice it.

ugh what the hell was that???

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eddies' heady's on Mar 21 at 23:13
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Dammit Jrue Holiday!!! What the hell was that man????

Jrue to the line for the ice. Hit 'em both, kid.

ice in his veins. 14.3 seconds left. No fouls. Just play cool.

ouch

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eddies' heady's on Mar 21 at 23:16
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Man, that was really really close to being a 5 sec call.

Why wait to use the timeout there? Just advance the ball. You've got three timeouts. Alright, get the ball in to Jrue.

Send Someone sprinting into the back court.

you have jenkins in there and not moultrie??

Don't really want Thad in the game here. Don't throw the ball to him.

Jesus, Jenkins is only a 50% free throw shooter?

They're motherfucking free you scrub!

THEY'RE FREE YOU ASSHOLE

lol he missed both

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eddies' heady's on Mar 21 at 23:20
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Flat ass shot ....

More arc on that one, but still rimmed out.

OK, so if this was last season and Iguodala missed those two free throws, everyone able to type on a keyboard would be crucifying him. Think there will be any outrage over Turner tomorrow? What a fucking scrub.

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buke reply to Brian on Mar 21 at 23:24
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Turner has degenerated so far that no one is surprised. I've wondered over this late season if he is begging to be traded. But he needs to remember that someone must want him first.

ugh and the foul there? fuck all of us

Three freebies for Brewer. 2.1 seconds left. Wow. Sixers have a timeout. Pretty sure he's going to hit all three, then the Sixers probably won't be able to get the ball in bounds after using the timeout.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 21 at 23:22
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Come the motherfuck on Wilkins??????? ARe you serious man????? Jeebus dude............................

Well after replay Brewer sort of flopped Reggie Miller-style to get the call, but still.............

You hear that fan? "Thanks, Turner! Turner, Thank YOU!"

well that was a hell of a lot more clutch than evan turnover has been....this kinda seems like it would make for a pretty sweet playoff series, wouldn't it?

This is going to be an abortion of a final 2.1 seconds. Guarantee it. No way they get the ball in to Jrue.

yep

aaaand yep that was a very sixers ending to this one

PHI 100, DEN 101 Final.

Shameful. Just shameful. Turner is your player of the game. 6 turnovers, 0 assists and those two missed freebies.

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eddies' heady's on Mar 21 at 23:25
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Now that's a dumbass team that knows how to tank.

Remember last night when I said I don't get pissed after losses when they're this bad? Yeah, fuck that. I'm pissed right now.

This should be Turner's last season in Philly. Admit the mistake and move on. The team has given him more than enough opportunities to show he belong as a building block for the future, he has shown he is not one of those blocks.

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buke reply to RockP on Mar 21 at 23:41
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Agreed, and he's almost begging to be let go. Hopefully, they can get something, anything, for him.

well that was the best game they've played since the Wilt night W...rapidly getting closer and closer to that 55 losses...

I'm pretty pretty sure having a 5 point lead with 14 seconds gives you a 99 percent chance of winning.....

Evan Turner, the one-percenter!

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eddies' heady's on Mar 21 at 23:32
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And that cat be on here telling me that Wilkins doesn't even belong on an NBA roster. He had to be mistaken and meant to say that about Turner. Nah, too much blind love for that I guess.

Wilkins > Turner. Who woulda thunk it?

oy is Doug going to be in bitchfest mode here? he sure looks like he's getting that crazy grin again...

"We made bad plays...did you watch? what do you want me to say??" ahh Doug gonna miss you man

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eddies' heady's on Mar 21 at 23:35
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I still can't believe (no, I probably should) that this organization didn't learn from picking up Speights' option and how wasteful that was in regards to picking up Turner's when they did. Nothing but a waste and there's no reason they shouldn't have seen it. This franchise is notorious though for not cutting bait soon enough.

hahaha "i can sit here and do my best TNT shit, but end result is we didn't get it done" i love that guy

To be fair, Turner's freebies didn't lose the game all on their own. You had Jrue running the shot clock down to zero. You had Turner missing a layup on another busted play when they were icing it. You had the Damien Wilkins foul on the Brewer three-point attempt. You had Thad (I think) leaving Brewer to double Danillo on one of those final plays. But none of the other stuff matters if Turner doesn't choke from the line, so it's hard not to blame him. On the bright side, those missed freebies dropped Turner's efficiency below the Mendoza line, where it belongs.

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Tray reply to Brian on Mar 21 at 23:48
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Turner had 6 turnovers and 12 points on 13 possessions, and I have no idea who he guarded but I'm going to just assume they had a good game because he's Evan Turner. So yeah, I think that if Turner hadn't played at all and you just gave his minutes to Wright and Jenkins or Pargo, they win the game.

It's been a long time since they lost a game like that. I remember two of them against the Wiz one year.

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eddies' heady's reply to Brian on Mar 21 at 23:55
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And you up-close remember the Nets one from a few back? Forgot who heaved it though.

Devin Harris. Fuck, I nearly forgot that.

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eddies' heady's reply to Brian on Mar 22 at 0:04
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Talking about the Wiz ones, I remember a Cartier Martin one but that was quite a few years back I think. Remember either a John Wall or Roger Mason Jr. banked-heave-3 (after Jrue nearly had a steal) from near half court but can't remember how the other loss went down that was within that same season though.

I think you are thinking of the one where Jrue (I, think) fouled Wall from way behind the three-point line and he made all three free throws. Kinda similar to this one, because Turner missed free throws down the stretch of that one as well. Swaggy P had a big hand in one of those losses, too. Sort of like his Toronto game this year, his one standout game.

Everything seems to come full circle.

Yeah, the Cartier Martin three and then Jrue fouling Wall on the last-second heave. I think it was Lou that missed the two freebies prior to Jrue's foul, though, not Turner. Let me look it up. Nope, it was Turner. link, pretty much the exact same situation. Exact same result. That guy is clutch.

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mymanjrue reply to eddies' heady's on Mar 22 at 21:17
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that was the beginning of D's first year, right?part of thehorrendous start from which they rallied to reah the playoffs

As far as road streak records, we tie the second-worst road losing streak in the history of the franchise today - 2 streaks actually, one spanning the 71-72 and 72-73 seasons, and another in the 72-73 season entirely. 72-73, of course, was the 9 win season. The franchise's worst road losing streak lasted 20 games, and took place, oddly, during the 1987-88 season, even though they went 36-46 and weren't that bad. 17th worst streak of the (still-young) century, 5th longest in the last 5 seasons.

Didn't Cleveland or Washington go like 0-for-a-season on the road one year recently?

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Tray reply to Brian on Mar 22 at 0:20
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Washington and Cleveland both had 26-game streaks a few years ago. Cleveland lost 34 straight the year before they drafted LeBron. And the 04-05 Hawks, who went 13-69 and were led by Antoine Walker and Al Harrington, quite a lethal combination, lost 23 straight. (By the way, I completely forgot that the Hawks fielded one of the worst teams ever not that long ago, or that Walker was a part of it, or that Mike Woodson, our coach of the year frontrunner not so long ago, coached them. That must be the worst team that no one ever talks about.) That's about it as far as big streaks in recent years.

Did that tank job land them Marvin Williams in the draft? I wish Turner was as good as Marvin.

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Rich reply to Tray on Mar 22 at 1:52
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And they really outplayed a team (admittedly shorthanded) that was 30-3 at home heading into the game. Unreal.

Outscored 11-2 after Hawes fouled out with 1:52 left.

I hate to be this negative but that was a really clutch loss. Its amazing we are on pace for about 30 wins and we still are only like the 11th worst team in the league. That really says something about the NBA being a league of have and have nots. Over 1/3 of the teams in the league may not win more then 30 games.

Some wonderful postgame quotes. Brewer, logically, thinks Turner played a causal role in the Denver win:

"It's crazy. To be honest, I didn't think we had any chance of winning," Brewer said. "Then he missed those free throws and I was like, 'OK, we've got a little chance.' He gave us life."

But Turner sees things differently!

"There's no one to point the finger at," Turner said. "We played hard the whole game, whatever could go wrong did go wrong." "Effort was there, energy was there, it was closing out the game," Turner said. "That's not what lost the game. Situations occurred. That's some crazy stuff that just happened. The season's been rough. That's one you just shake your head. It seems like a fluke to me."

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Geese reply to Tray on Mar 22 at 3:22
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Turner's quote about the missed free throws doesn't see things differently, he's fully aware that he fucked up;

Turner was equally unhappy about the free throws that could have iced the game. "I have to make those shots then," he said. "I have to. I cost my team the game. That's the way it's been going for us, the season in a nutshell. But I have to make those shots."

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Tray reply to Geese on Mar 22 at 3:27
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Eh, situations occurred. There's no one to point the finger to. That's just some crazy stuff that happened. Seems like a fluke to me.

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Rich reply to Tray on Mar 22 at 12:08
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He does seem to delusional, huh? What a mistake it was to pick up his option.

Yeah Turner didn't have a good game as usual but i wouldnt blame him for this loss. He didnt cause the shot clock violation in the last 2 minutes, and he didnt foul Brewer on the 3 point shot. He also didnt cause guys to not get open when he was throwing it in. Both his free throws went in and out. Missed by a quarter of an inch. A miss is a miss but he's a good free throw shooter and the game shouldnt have come down to that.

Unbelievable loss. I guess the tanking guys can be happy with this.

What i find really hard to understand is the play of Spencer Hawes. He has played like an allstar center of late and it's truly shocking.

Yeah, he had a stretch like this at the beginning of last season, too. Since he's white, everyone dismisses the 80 games of shit play in between and the couple hundred games prior.

Actually, it's not fair to blame it entirely on race, Turner gets the same grace from most fans for some unknown reason.

You really think Hawes is better thought off than he deserves? Honestly, i am getting to the point where i think it's the other way round. I have a feeling that the Sixers fanbase think he is not worth a roster spot on an NBA team. And lets face, while Hawes has some terrible aspects to his game, he is not that bad. He is not good by any stretch of imagination, but he is not THAT bad.

P.S. I actually think his recent stretch of play is actually much better than his play early last year. Hopefully he can become a trade asset by seasons end and not a waste of contract.

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Tray reply to Xsago on Mar 22 at 10:57
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Oh right, your underrated white player theory. (Apologies in advance if that's some other commenter.)

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spencer is hired, and for real reply to Xsago on Mar 22 at 7:45
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Hopefully at the ripe old age of 24 he is finally maturing, both physically and mentally. He and Moultrie showed some chemistry tonight and if our coach gives them a lot of time together to finish the year it could prove interesting.

aw lame they cut off DC too early for the best quote of the night

http://www.nba.com/sixers/video/2013/03/22/130321collinspostgamemov-2420740

What did he say?

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Sharone Wright on Mar 22 at 8:25
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I just wanted to remind everyone to say a prayer for Andrew Bynum.

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Da Jruth reply to Sharone Wright on Mar 22 at 10:40
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Only if he does the same for us, which I doubt.

Man, that creepy smile is just disturbing.

Another point worth making is why the hell is Turner triggering the inbounds pass. He had one of the worst passing games I've ever seen at this level last night.

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Sharone Wright reply to Brian on Mar 22 at 12:15
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And what's with the tongue sticking out? Equally disturbing.

Imagine what he would've been like in that presser if Aldridge had hit the turnaround at the buzzer the other night and they lost two games like this in a week.

Hectic, entertaining game.

Next stop, insolvent Sacramento.


No "Jrue, windsurfer" insights?

I was expecting either (a) something about Andre Miller killing them or (b) a reference to Jack Kerouac's time in Denver, with Faried playing the Neal Cassady role.

Ol' Man River keeps forging rivulets in enemy defenses.

Nice Sixer D when they let him go coast to coast for right side lay-up. Small naps add up to hurting losses.

That's more like it. Sir Andre was -12 in a 1-point win, however.

A disposable factoid. Miller has teeth, particularly when it matters. Can't expect the ol' boy to defend much. But he's an uncommon NBA basketball player in that he knows how - and practices it, with dedication, without show. Admit it, you like him.

Never said I didn't. Actually think Denver loses that game handily if their diminutive starter at PG is available.

Not now, you need to study your torts.

GoSixers doesn't like to admit this, but I did graduate from law school, become a lawyer, etc. Not that I mind.

Can you "forge" a rivulet? Even when used non-literally I don't think that word works that way.

Congratulations. The path is hard. The fruits are plentiful. The jokes abound.

"Forge, verb (used with object): to form or make, especially by concentrated effort." You have permission to change your thinking; now don't be a stick-in-the-mud.

I guess the metallic roots of the word just don't sit well with the aquatic metaphor (for me).

Typical lawyer's trick: if a line of reason doesn't work fundamentally, go arcane on 'em, take a country road. The battle's won when eyes glaze over.

Do you moonlight as a somellier? I'm planning a midsummer soiree with a guest list full of discriminating tasters..."Lowdown at the Hoedown; Lotsa Hooch, Bring Your Pooch." You'd be a hit. I don't pay as well as Jay Gatsby but money's not everything. Roots galore.

What?

Spencer's play lately gives me more hope than his strong play at the beginning of last season because he is FINALLY showing the ability(or will) to finish inside. I'm not sure why its taken this long for him to do it, I'm not sure if he can(or will) permanetly make it a part of his game, but it is something I've never seen before from him.

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Matt reply to ojr107 on Mar 22 at 15:44
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Or, maybe he can only produce when there are zero expectations. He's a decent player, but let's not act like he's turned a corner. If anything, it infuriates me that now, when it's meaningless (I'm pro-tank), he's suddenly good.

btw, I caught a bit of the OK State game yesterday. I guess the appeal with Smart is that he's a really, really big guy to be a PG. Unfortunately, he's not a PG, so I don't see how that's a big advantage at the next level. He'll be an SG or a really bad PG.

I wanted to check out that PF from UNLV who Ford has as #2 on the Sixers list, but they're done already so I guess I won't be able to. Want to catch Indy and Duke, I guess, since the Sixers are probably going to take one of those upperclassmen bigs from either school.

Looks like Indiana is playing right now and Duke already played today, so I'll have to wait for the second round to see them.

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Tray reply to Brian on Mar 22 at 16:32
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Kevin Pelton said in his chat today that of all the players in the tournament, Smart's game translates best to the next level. He also said he's a big John Wall fan and thinks he should likely get the max. Meanwhile, Shabbaz Muhammad has been lying about his age, is really 20:

http://www.sbnation.com/college-basketball/2013/3/22/4135588/shabazz-muhammad-age-ucla-la-times-nba-draft

Age doesn't mean as much to me as experience. If I had a choice between a 20-year-old freshman and a 20-year-old junior, both of them put up identical numbers, I'm taking the freshman.

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Tray reply to Brian on Mar 22 at 17:56
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I don't think it makes a huge difference to evaluating him as a player. If it were three years, it would, but 20's still pretty young. Maybe it raises questions about his character though, or at least his honesty. But I mean, from the Sixers perspective you just hope he's also invented a dying girlfriend and scares teams into thinking he's a nutjob.

It's gonna be Zeller or Plumlee. Just prepare yourself.

I'm hoping for Len falling to them right now. I wouldn't be mad about Zeller outside the top 10, but Plumlee would be unforgivable.

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Tray reply to Brian on Mar 22 at 18:12
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I really don't know why you're so certain of this. I think Zeller will be unavailable, even if we move up to 8 (which we easily can), and Plumlee... aside from the Collins/Duke connections, why would we do that?

Those are the two guys Ford has us taking if we stay at or around #10. Doesn't really matter. No one in this draft excites me. Think best case is you get a wing who can defend a little and/or shoot a little. And that's if you get into the top three.

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Tray reply to Brian on Mar 23 at 18:51
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See, I think it's just a biological fact that some of the basketball players born in the years that this draft pulls from are going to be really good players. It would be really weird if the best player born in 1993-94 was just a wing who could defend a little or shoot a little. There's always someone who surprises. Every year some athletic player who seemed too raw to do much really turns out, and every year some skilled player who seemed too unathletic or undersized to do much really turns out.

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tk76 reply to Tray on Mar 23 at 19:30
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There are also fairly large swings in births per year (thought to be driven by the economy.)

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_pMscxxELHEg/S70PaHGUNTI/AAAAAAAAH_M/4b8f8e8ocLk/s1600/Birthsperyear.jpg

Combine this with expansion and the years when the NBA started drawing iunterational players, and you can sort of figure out why there have been ups and downs in terms of talent. If you have a trough in births (70's) + league expansion then you get a diluted league.

Then the combined effects of the baby boomlet and euros leads to a new generation of superstars that dominate over the weaker vets.

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Tray reply to tk76 on Mar 23 at 21:12
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This is definitely a down year, and some classes are more talented than others, but I can't believe that the swings are ever so huge that the best player in any one draft class is a wing who can defend a little. Drafts are just really hard to handicap. For instance, in 2011 we all wanted Bismack and this was the reaction of one of our smartest commenters to the Vucevic pick, expressing the consensus view:

"I would have taken Singleton or Hamilton in that spot. Probably Honeycutt and Faried too."

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eddies' heady's reply to Brian on Mar 23 at 12:01
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I actually would be OK with either of those guys from this draft. Think they both would be good surrounding Jrue. Any particular reason for the disdain for these two from some here in the community?

I really have a good feeling about us ending up with a decent player/contributor from this draft. And I guess I'm in the minority here by feeling like Cody or Mason can be that. We'll see.

Zeller is fairly skilled and runs the floor really well but seems too weak and soft to me to be an effective NBA center. Plumlee is just an athletic guy who may make a good third big man. In any event, I don't think Chad Ford has any insider knowledge that we want those two guys, he just assumes we're drafting a big man.

I don't have any particular disdain for either guy, other than hating upperclassmen who didn't dominate early. Mostly, I see this entire draft as pretty meaningless. The Bynum situation is the only meaningful (in a positive fashion) thing that realistically could happen this summer. Whether they get a fringe starter or even a decent starter in the draft doesn't matter. Even if they win the lottery, there's no one in this draft who's going to provide more than a marginal upgrade, and until they add a guy who legitimately makes a difference, it's just shuffling deck chairs. Seller at #10 or Oladipo at #8, or Nerlens at #1, it really doesn't make a difference unless Bynum comes back and plays at a high level. If he doesn't, this team is fucked because they aren't going to sit on the cap space, they're going to waste it on someone who might get them back to the #8 seed and keep them there through Jrue's prime.

FWIW, Zeller did dominate as both a freshman and sophomore. I would be very mad with Plumlee who i think will be nothing more than a journeyman big, but, Zeller could be a solid player. The only problematic factor about him is his lack of wingspan which might make him a defensive liability. I wouldn't excited with Zeller, but they could certainly do worse at 10.

I don't consider 6.6 rebounds and 1.3 blocks/game in nearly 30 minutes to be dominating for a big man.

Spencer is lately leaving Will Perdue in the dust. A rare Republican Apache. There's only two words for him at this point - nasty & preternatural.

Hornets over the Griz.

Up 98-90 with 2:07 left. Up by 5 with :14 left. Hey, Doug, head coach, take responsibility. What do I want you to do? That's simple. I want you to bring the lead to shore. Yeah, your players "made bad plays." But your coaching was scrubby too. The "TNT shit"-panic on the court was a reflection of your own. But don't worry, the scribes will scratch your back, especially when your back gets up.

It was pretty shitty coaching to have Turner triggering the inbound pass. Then the final play w/ 2.1 seconds was a joke. He definitely has some culpability. Of course, I don't see how you can blame him for blowing two free throws or fouling a guy putting up a 28-footer.

Don't think Evan was the worst choice for sideline throw-in (long arms, decent vision). Do think it was stupid to have Wilkins on floor and an option; he's not exactly an elusive butterfly. Need a big body (or two) to set a big pick in that situation. Where was it?

Along with intensity, I think Collins transmits panic, to those who are disposed to unraveling. Talks a great game; average coach.

Turner spent the whole night throwing passes to the refs and the Nuggets. Agree they needed a picker, or even just a big target to throw it in to. I'm not expert at x's and o's, but shouldn't a guy like Collins be able to draw up a play to get the ball in, especially when you have the entire 94 feet to work with?

Should. Or James should be able to.

In that situation, you need bulk, reading ability and quickness of spot, set & release. Damien Wilkins from 27? C'mon, Doug.

Oh well, there's more games to come. But this season has been bizarre and some coaching manuevers have been berserk.

Trivia question: who's the only player (since 1985) to have a 25/9/4 steals/4 blocks game before he turned 20? Which two players did it before they turned 21? Which three players did it, if you require at least one assist, before they turned 22? The answers are Moe Harkless last night, Moe Harkless and Shaq, and Moe Harkless, Shaq and Garnett. Even going past 21 it's a pretty impressive list.

http://bkref.com/tiny/0mPFF

Orlando's gotta be pretty happy at their share of the 4-teamer.

and it's almost like this Sixers front office actually does know how to draft in the middle of the first round...hmm...

but when the ownership group & front office collective negate their strategized, acquired fortune by empowering de facto GM/head coach Collins (and others?) to give it away for a quick reach at the brass ring...hmm...

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tk76 reply to das411 on Mar 23 at 16:56
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I think they have been way better then average at drafting outside of the top 8:

Iggy
Thad
Thabo (Carney)
Speights
Jrue
Vuce
Harkless

Considering the average guy in that range is probably closer to Carney, I think they have done as well as anyone in the last 20 years at drafting in the second half of the lottery.

How many drafting records of the other 29 teams have you examined in support of that claim?

If their post-#8 picking had been so superlative for the last 20 yrs, then it stands to reason that the club would have had more than one 50-win team in said span, which they haven't.

Last 20 yrs composite: 729-931. A .439 winning rate, a .561 losing rate. 12 head coaches. Yeah, the front office decision-makers have been wonderful. At bungling.

20 years seems like a stretch, if only because the players he lists just go back 8 years, but it doesn't at all stand to reason that they would have had multiple 50-win seasons had they drafted well after the 8th pick. For one thing, a team could draft really well but mismanage their roster in other ways, which has arguably been the case with us, and for another, picking players at 8-15 that are better than the average players you get in those spots may only mean that you're drafting good non-star players, and certainly may only mean that you're drafting good-non-superstar players. Iguodala and Thad and Jrue were real finds where they were drafted, though I know you may not like to admit that, but a team built around them probably isn't going to win much more than 50 games even if you do sign the right role players to fill in around them, which we never did.

Using current vernacular, I call bullshit. Iguodala & Thad & Jrue weren't "finds."

'04: If Toronto doesn't stupidly pick Rafael Araujo of Brigham Young, Iguodala (.123) doesn't fall in their lap. Just because most of Philly never heard of him (as he was from midwest & west), it doesn't negate the fact that he was high profile with scouts. The find of that draft was Anderson Varejao at #30 (.151).

'07: Thad (.119) as 12th pick was a bit of a reach as he was considered raw, but not a big stretch. Carl Landry at #31 (.153) and Marc Gasol at #48 (.158) were finds that yr.

'09: #17 Jrue (.077) was well-known from AAU/McDonald's play, was no find. In picking Jrue, Sixers passed on #18 Ty Lawson (.146), #19 Jeff Teague (.107), #26 Taj Gibson (.128) and #37 DeJuan Blair (.138), each of whom could have added to the local team's cause.

The front office of the Sixers has NOT been creative in a significant way. The 20 yr record is what the 20 yr record is; there's no dancin' around it. You seem to swallow the organization's hype regarding its best talent hook, line and sinker. Iguodala and Young are plus players. Holiday has potential, but it certainly hasn't been harnessed despite the AS designation. B grade players picked at 9, 12 & 17; nothing to rave about. And where's that gotten them? They currently are situated at 26-42, 20th best in league, with an ego-crazed and frazzled coach, a dud center acquisition, non-dazzling other free agent pickings and a relatively weak upcoming draft talent pool. X, as in deep doo-doo, marks their spot.

I propose a name change to the "Philadelphia Phunk."

You're a boob, for the most part, but if you wanted to make a valid argument here, you could point out that the Sixers had multiple chances to draft Gadol that year, and they really needed someone they could stash, instead they wasted the picks they got from Denver in the Iverson deal.

I made plenty of points. I certainly don't need yours, however spiffy you pigheadedly think they are. Your name calling doesn't surprise. Derision from you, an over-the-top lover of Iguodala and Holiday, is a form of flattery.

You didn't, and you never do. All you do is pick one stat you don't understand, use it out with no context and act as if you've made a point.

Is that all? I know better. And so do you.

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Tray reply to Dollar Bill on Mar 24 at 0:44
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Surely you don't really think that Dejuan Blair is a better player than Jrue, or that we'd be better off with Jeff Teague. I think the relevant point here is what teams ahead of us and immediately below us did. In 2004, Okafor, Ben Gordon, Harris, Childress, and Araujo went ahead of Iguodala, while Jackson, Biedrins, Swift and Telfair went after. Iguodala was probably the second or third best player taken in the lottery. In '07, teams would take Jeff Green, Yi Jianlain, Corey Brewer, Brandan Wright, Hawes, and Acie Law ahead of Thad, while Julian Wright and Al Thornton went immediately after him and people at the time thought we should've taken Thornton. As it turned out he was the 4th or 5th best player taken in the lottery. Jrue was picked 17th after 6 players who have done little (Earl Clark, Hansbrough, Henderson) to nothing (Daye, James Johnson, Terrence Williams) in their NBA careers. I like Lawson myself, but Jrue's outperformed older point guards picked immediately after him (Teague, Collison). At worst, we picked the second best player available at that point.

The relevant point here is, you're a hoops genius. Will you speak at my summer camp? For free? I don't have the time or the will to sift through your past drafts gobbledygook, but bring an extract to Camp Dollar Bill and I'll autograph it.

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tk76 reply to Dollar Bill on Mar 24 at 5:04
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All I'm saying is that the recent history of the Sixers drafting 9-17 has yielded players that have been much better than the average players typically drafted at that position. But partly that is a reflection of how weak that part of the draft tends to be.

Going to none other than the Sxiers current analytics guy, Aaron Barzalai, here is the "average player" drafted at various picks:

http://www.82games.com/barzilai1.htm

#9: Stacy Augmon, Cliff Levingston
#12: Vladimir Radmanovic, Vitaly Potapenko
#17: Victor Alexander, Eric Leckner

Easily Iggy, Thad and Jrue (and likely Vuce) are better than these average picks.

That does not mean those picks helped the team be great. Just as likely, they were part of the reason the team stayed mediocre instead of being able to bottom out to where they could get more elite talent. And the team has been bad at top 6 picks, which are much more important to get right.

How you draft in the late lottery is not the measure of an organization. It would be like a NFL team being able to find above average guys in the later rounds but frequently blundering with their 1st and 2nd rounders (sounds vaguely familiar.)

But just because the Sixers organization has been a train wreck for the last 20 years does not mean that they were terrible in every area. It's just that the one area they were good in was not enough. Had they just had one superstar big and where adding guys like Jrue and Iggy as complements, it would have maybe gotten them to the next level like what the Spurs were able to do around Duncan. But without that top star in the NBA, just about everything else is irrelevant. Like serving tremendous gravy on Thanksgiving but ruining the turkey.

and it should be noted of course that they do have that superstar big on the roster...only problem is that he can't walk...

DeJuan Blair 37
George Hill 26
Goran Dragic 45
Tiago Splitter 28
Beno Udrih 28
Leandro Barbaso 28
Luis Scola 55
Tony Parker 28
Manu Ginobili 57

Spurs; now THERE is late, non-lottery drafting to brag about.

Ah you've proven your point, one team's even better than us.

One? That's funny. You're Adam Aron's kind o' guy.

Did you give examples of more than one team in that comment? Tell us what other teams have done a better job of overachieving relative to where they drafted.

Shhhhhhhh...you're reinforcing my point, homeboy.

And you're of the mistaken impression that I care to prove anything to you. It's clear that you're blighted by hubris; I hope you get well.

I don't know why all the big commenters here (you, eddie's, GoSixers) have to be nuts. Brian, could you recruit some sane commmenters?

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tk76 reply to Tray on Mar 24 at 18:51
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Bad team play leads to grumpiness alp around. I sort of laugh at this team, but it is not easy to follow them.

Rose, who last informed the media that only God knows when he'll return, now explains that "I feel when I'm ready to come back I'll be ready no matter when it is. Whenever I'm ready I'm going to be out there." He further explained that he'll know he's ready when he can play scrimmages without thinking about what he's going to do next: "Sometimes, you kind of think a little bit when I’m out there. That’s when I know I’ll be ready to play, when I’m out there not thinking but reacting."

http://blogs.bulls.com/2013/03/derrick-rose-remains-close-but-not-suiting-up-yet/

I really hope the Sixers draft Rudy Gobert if he's still on the board. Wow, an athletic big. Imagine that.

I am really scared of him. He is huge and athletic but simply can't play basketball at this point. No fundamentals whatsoever.

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Tom Moore on Mar 23 at 23:47
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If they haven't already made a decision on Turner they either haven't been paying attention or they're complete morons.

No offense to anyone who digs college hoops, but I've caught part of about 10 games and that shit is unwatchable. No one can hit a free throw, seems every team is trying to run a pussified version of the Princeton offense, most possessions end in wild threes or just terrible out of control layups, no one can handle the ball, the announcers have an orgasm whenever some scrub makes a crossover without turning the ball over. It's like pulling teeth, I'd rather watch a high school game around here, at least those kids have been coached.

There's one exception here, I like watching teams run the full-court press, especially for extended periods of time. I enjoy the mayhem.

"I enjoy the mayhem." That explains your Jrue fixation.

Is an explanation needed for a fan liking the best player on his favorite team? I'd think the guy who hates the best players on his favorite team would be the one who needs to explain his fixation. Or the guy who's in love with Willie Green and Marreese Speights.

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Jesse reply to Brian on Mar 24 at 12:46
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Yeah but Willie Green and Speights don't turn the ball over nearly as much as Jrue. Because they're too busy riding the bench.

First of all, Thad's a better player than "Who Am I Today?" Holiday? Holiday's defense sucks toes.

Secondly, regarding Willie and Speez, neither has ever been headed to the HOF, but I happen to like their spirits, therefore, I root 'em on. No shame, no shrink.
Go Clips, go Cavs.

What four players since 1985 have had a game with 24 points, 12 defensive rebounds, 3 assists and 5 blocks before their 23rd birthday? If you guessed Shaq, Duncan, Howard, and DeMarcus Cousins tonight, you win a cookie.


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