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jason smith has been getting most of the minutes as the 2nd big but with anderson back and hawes not really a postup guy they can move davis to center

A Davis might be a top 5 player in the league next year

o/u 3.5 shots blocked by davis when turner drives?

In Jrue's defense, I think that Davis's usage is no lower than you'd want it to be right now - 22 points on 16 shots a game, plus seven trips to the line, seems right for a young big man with a game that's still evolving - and the shooting guard who can fill it up shot 40% from the field last year and 40% this year (44% from three, but 38.8 percent from inside the arc), so maybe his injury problems are legit and he's just a diminished player. Between the two of them, Gordon should probably shoot the the ball more, but not way more, and he already has a 24% usage himself. And after those three, there's really no player who's been active on the roster, besides Evans, who scores. (Morrow should be passed to when open, and Jason Smith is Jason Smith, but that's about it.) And Evans has been disastrous. Also, doesn't usage factor in possessions that Jrue isn't necessarily trying to use for himself, like his 4 turnovers a game?

Considering the way Thad, Hawes, and Turner are playing this year, I disagree that Jrue's usage rate was justified because of the teammates he had in Philly. They are all playing better than Jrue. It was simply in Jrue's own mind that he was so much better than his teammates.

Hmm...well that could be it

Or - you know - replacing an awful coach with a smart one might have something to do with it as well

"In the Sixers favor: They can hide Turner on Aminu on the defensive end. Of course, they "hid" him on DeMarre Carroll last night, and that didn't work out very well."

Turner wasn't guarding Carroll on 4 of his 5 threes last night, so not sure what you mean here.

I like Jrue, hope he figures it out in NO. He's never played with a star big before so I think there's an adjustment period.

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Stan reply to MCT on Nov 16 at 19:32
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I hope he figures it out next year and has a successful career. They need a new coach and gm.

Be nice if Wroten and Anderson resembled the guys we saw against HOU instead of ATL.

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eddies' heady's on Nov 16 at 20:10
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Sure would have liked to have seen MCW on Jrue and how he would fare defensively. And vice versa with Jrue on him.

thad tips in his miss

good drive by wroten set it up

Aaaaaand we're off...Hawes wins the tip.

man, how do you get beat down the floor off a make like that?

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eddies' heady's on Nov 16 at 20:12
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Jrueeeeeeeeeee.

Hawes long two. uh oh.

Jrue converts, doesn't get to the line, thought he maybe should've.

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eddies' heady's on Nov 16 at 20:13
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Thad baby hook.

Thad over AD. Tough shot, falls.

thad over davis

anderson finishes

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eddies' heady's on Nov 16 at 20:13
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Spencer with a hell of an outlet rainbow pass to Anderson for a layup.

Man, AD is going to have 20 blocks at this rate.

nice up and under by hawes

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eddies' heady's on Nov 16 at 20:14
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Hawes with the shimmy shimmy fake! hehe

Hawes up and under. Making Jason Smith look like Jason Smith.

good cut by anderson

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eddies' heady's on Nov 16 at 20:15
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Anderson cutting layup. Good ass pass, I think from Hawes?

Turner was on Gordon there, not sure if it was because it was transition-ish. Yeah, he's on Aminu now.

bad pass by wroten

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eddies' heady's on Nov 16 at 20:16
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Who threw that turnover? COuldn't see it

Turner's man on the offensive glass.

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eddies' heady's on Nov 16 at 20:17
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It's pretty awesome when your answer is already notated in the game thread. heh

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eddies' heady's on Nov 16 at 20:17
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AD with the swat on Thad.

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eddies' heady's on Nov 16 at 20:18
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Delay of game on Brett? what?

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eddies' heady's on Nov 16 at 20:18
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Hawes deep 3!!!!!!!!!!!!

sissy 3!

Hawes3!

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eddies' heady's on Nov 16 at 20:19
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Wroten runout.

I believe that was Turner's steal. Got a hand in the lane.

No comment on that jumper.

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eddies' heady's on Nov 16 at 20:20
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That looked like it went off Turner. Guess not....

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eddies' heady's on Nov 16 at 20:23
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Shitty inbound play off that timeout that's for sure.

stop iso-ing thad on davis

AD blocks Thad again. Tyreke in transition on the other end, foul and the hoop.

These Sixers are the softest foulers I've ever seen.

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eddies' heady's on Nov 16 at 20:24
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AD w/ another block. On Thad again.

Thad needs to go back to that baby hook.

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eddies' heady's on Nov 16 at 20:24
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Hollis with a good curl. And-one. Tough shot he made there.

Hollis going for the +1 on the other end. hit the freebie, please.

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eddies' heady's on Nov 16 at 20:25
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ET with an airball 3. ugh

et air balls a 3

No comment on that airballed three, lest I be accused of being subjective.

Can't hide Turner against this lineup.

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eddies' heady's on Nov 16 at 20:26
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Don't let it get away from you here.

And as expected, AD packs Turner's slow-mo shit.

No comment on that rejected layup.

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Chris reply to Brian on Nov 16 at 20:28
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I just love how he immediately threw his arms up after getting cleanly blocked.

yep. So much for not bitching to the refs.

...so NO could've had that unibrow'd fellow next to Nerlens and passed on that for...jrue?

Excusable airball.

anderson is gonna go off if lavoy is on him

You can't put Lavoy on Anderson. That's stupid coaching.

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eddies' heady's on Nov 16 at 20:30
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Come on Hollis, that's all your fault on that shot clock violation.

davis blocks evan again

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!


Oh my lord what a rejection.

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eddies' heady's on Nov 16 at 20:32
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Agree. The laziest guy on a camp out at the arc shooter.

ET witn another slow-mo drive that AD gnaws on for a snack.

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eddies' heady's on Nov 16 at 20:33
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Forced pass Morris. Free throws the other way.

Darius keeping them in it.

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eddies' heady's on Nov 16 at 20:35
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Seriously, whenever Turner drives, if he doesn't employ some type of deception move (change of direction dribble, pump fake etc), he literally looks like he's in slow motion.

Just no explosiveness existent whatsoever. And it's so glaring to even the most novice viewer.

down 12 end of the 1st

22-34 after one.

They keep saying 5 blocks for AD, but ESPN only has him with three.

Hmmn. ESPN's box score is way behind tonight. Switching to NBA.com.

Nice offense, guys.

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eddies' heady's on Nov 16 at 20:39
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Where this Roberts kid play at?

dayton

was undrafted in 08 went overseas then the pelicans signed him last year

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eddies' heady's reply to sixerfan1220 on Nov 16 at 20:44
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thanks
wow drafted way back in 08 and still getting a shot? that's rare nowadays

Did he play under Gregory?

yes

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eddies' heady's reply to sixerfan1220 on Nov 16 at 20:46
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meant undrafted above oops

sixers got away with a back court violation

Morrow with a two-point attempt?

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eddies' heady's on Nov 16 at 20:41
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Davis didn't stay out long did he....

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eddies' heady's on Nov 16 at 20:42
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Get your shit together here, or the much-liked college football might have to take over soon.

No box out on a 3, Smith putback. ugh

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eddies' heady's on Nov 16 at 20:45
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Thad blocked again, this time by the iron I think. Davis would have gotten it regardless.

Jason Smith helping out his former team.

et turnover then almost hurts davis

Turnerover then possibly a flagrant foul on AD, but at least he didn't let him get the +1.

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eddies' heady's on Nov 16 at 20:46
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Hard foul by ET there, finally. Though don't hurt the kid.

Turner pasted to a pick.

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eddies' heady's on Nov 16 at 20:48
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Jrue pulls up for his fav long two. Bloop.

3-point play and a I believe a technical to boot. Or just a demonstrative extra whistle from the ref.

T on hawes

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eddies' heady's on Nov 16 at 20:49
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Tech on Spencer.

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eddies' heady's on Nov 16 at 20:49
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This is fugggging uggglyyyy

wroten 3

the offense is a mess right now

evans putting on a show

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eddies' heady's on Nov 16 at 20:50
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Tyreke with a eff you move.

Wroten for a triple. Turner embarrassed by Evans in transition on the other end. Brown needs a TO so he can pick up his jock.

That was hilarious on the replay. He basically ran himself into the screener and hugged him before Tyreke even made the move.

good drive by wroten

et fouls gordon

Think they switched to a zone there, Anderson misses a wide-open three on the first possession against it.

looked like a long 2

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South Broad on Nov 16 at 20:53
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Doesn't sound good in the Big Easy. Depend on you loyal guys to provide the game threading. Much needed some nights. Good work; insightful, apt, and descriptive.

Turner with the "I'm running away from you!" defensive strategy. Still fouls the shooter.

Turner tries his hardest to turn it over, but has settle for an airball.

what was that wroten

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eddies' heady'sJ on Nov 16 at 20:56
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Jrue pullup. This effort from some of our guys is downright tired-looking. Just like someone said today they will look in Feb.

Might need to change that to December.

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eddies' heady's on Nov 16 at 20:56
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ET J.

Woo hoo! Turner hits a horrible shot with 18 left on the shot clock. Give that guy an extension!

My bad, 16 left on the shot clock.

thad bucket

..so is anybody else still worried about this team winning too much?

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eddies' heady's on Nov 16 at 20:59
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If games like this become the norm, then it will be like myself and others assumed it would be every night in the offseason, straight blowouts, and early ones at that.

MCW's injury doesn't help things. Everyone looks so gassed already though.

not a fan of all the switching that has been done lately

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eddies' heady's on Nov 16 at 21:00
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Spencer dunked one off a flat foot!!! wow

Good job by Hawes of chasing Jrue off the three. Turner finds him for a dunk on the other end.

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eddies' heady's on Nov 16 at 21:01
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Thad elevates Turner-esque height. Blocked this time by Aminu, to the line.

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eddies' heady's on Nov 16 at 21:01
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Wroten bricks a 3.

Wroten loves chucking up bricks.

Jrue TO.

thad bucket

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eddies' heady's on Nov 16 at 21:02
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Are they gonna give up 70 in a half?

They're doing their damndest.

hawes to lavoy for a dunk

Lavoy with a dunk.

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eddies' heady's on Nov 16 at 21:09
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They're going to give up almost 70 freaking points in one damn half.

That's just pitiful and inherently tankful.

Nice pass, Turner.

down 21 at the half

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eddies' heady's on Nov 16 at 21:10
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67 points. That's competing and giving it your all.

46-67 at the half.

That's all for me, folks. I'm sure Turner will excel in extended garbage time in the second half. Looking forward to reading all about it tomorrow. G'night.

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eddies' heady's on Nov 16 at 21:11
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Later, I'm out too.

hawes splits the free throws

et drive goes in

et turnover

hawes makes both free throws

davis blocks et

i hate that call

woah why is there a chick in the huddle w/the pelicaugh it's amundsun nevermind

et blocked again

well barring something ridiculous we have almost certainly seen the peak trade value of ET

wroten 3

cant wait to see what dirk is gonna do to them on monday

down 37 end of the 3rd

anderson 3

nobody wants to stay with ryan anderson so thats good

hey maybe molly should ask jrue again what he thinks of getting traded over there

/leaves ryan anderson wide open/ makes a 3

death, taxes and the sixers giving up open 3's

lost by 37

Let's tank.

Not for nothing but is it possible than John calipari is a good recruiter but not a good coach? Kentucky looks woeful against Michigan State in terms of fundamentals - defense - effort in transition - showed up flat for a huge game - Randle took a half to show up (and man he made some god awful passses in the first half)...ps - ESPN condensed games suck

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Da Jruth reply to GoSixers on Nov 17 at 13:13
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Preposterous; talk about small sample size.

I'd like to see you or anyone else take 7 of the most heralded freshman to ever be assembled and two returning sophomores, and incorporate them in only their third game together to display a well-oiled machine, and a mature one at that, against what can be argued at this point to be the best team in the country.

You're trolling with that asinine comment ala Toll. Ludicrous.

It's a shame you don't know what trolling is, and I guess I should have put more of my thinking into it, Calipari keeps getting these heralded freshman classes that seem to under perform the expectations.

I don't necessarily think that's due to his poor coaching but due to 1 and done. He generally encourages his players to leave, and does a very good job of getting them ready for the NBA, which helps him recruit these top guys but also hurts him come tournament time.

I would say that hits the nail on the head. He won the national championship a couple of years ago when a couple of his key heralded freshmen from the year before, like Terrence Jones and Doron Lamb, decided to stay for two years and he also received a boost from another holdover, Darius Miller.

But they can still be coached right? Educating them to be better basketball players, to work on those fundamentals they didn't have to look at when they dominated high school and AAU, defensive effort, boxing out, etc...?

Not sure who said they couldn't be coached. But in terms of team success, I think the limiting factor is not Calipari's coaching ability but their experience and familiarity with one another.

(It's worth pointing out that Calipari has recently had 38-2, 35-3, 33-4 (3x), 36-2 seasons, so it's not like he's really underachieving. If anything, people are completely unrealistic about the team success expected from a bunch of freshman. That's more the media's problem than Calipari's.

I do wonder if Calipari after spending four or five more years and making a boatload of money at KY, might choose to spend his twilight coaching years at a less pressured school that attracts less illustrious recruits. Right now, KY is the collegiate version of an elite prep team where a significant portion of the best players are there for only one year. Even with success there has to be something somewhat unsatisfying about that for a coach. In any teaching field, students are easier to work with and better able to absorb the lessons the second time around.

He may then be considering DIII Bowdoin College (Brunswick, Maine). In a remarkable coincidence of layup lines, reknown deep shooters Nathaniel Hawthorne and Henry Wadsworth Longfellow were graduating classmates in 1825. (How's that for an absorbant backcourt!?!) In addition, Willian Cohen, former U.S. Secretary of Defense, led the '61-'62 Polar Bears in scoring (16.0 ppg). On their shoulders stands Brett Brown, the pride of South Portland, ME and Boston U. Terriers '81 MVP (under Rick Pitino). Heady ball starts on the Maine coast.

p.s. Coach Cal played PG at Clarion in '81 & '82 (led team in assists and FT%); received post-season honors for finding the college.

I think that the way success is measured in college basketball has something to do with it as well. Imagine if the NBA didn't have a 7 game series format but single game elimination where more teams are allowed to compete. You'd probably have some funky upsets and the "best" team probably wouldn't win every year.

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Tray reply to GoSixers on Nov 17 at 15:18
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Well, it was just one game and they've only had this very brief preseason to gel, you know? And their point guard was out for almost all of it.

Rudy Gay: 27 points on 30 shots with 0 assists

Turner thinks that's a sick line.

POINTS!!!!!!!

What do you know man - you never laced em up you're just a stat nerd AND you know you have a hatred towards evan turner fueled by the first of hell

I don't understand how anyone who's watched the past four seasons doesn't hate evan turner.

It's not his fault
It was Doug's fault
and Jrue's fault
and his parents fault for not giving him better genetics
and your fault for being so mean to him - your hate permeates his world and makes him sad

:)

Well, Doug didn't exactly help and he had a lot of reasons to justify those excuses.

No more excuses now though. All he needs is that MCW grinta!

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buke reply to Brian on Nov 18 at 12:47
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Easy to understand, really. Some of us just don't hate basketball players simply because we wish they were better.

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Tray reply to buke on Nov 18 at 13:05
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Turner plays lazy defense, takes bad shots, monopolizes the ball, carelessly turns the ball over, and has an inflated sense of his abilities that harms his team. It's not just wishing that he was better, it's wishing that he stopped doing stupid stuff that's in his control.

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buke reply to Tray on Nov 18 at 15:11
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"it's wishing that he stopped doing stupid stuff that's in his control."

OK, I get it now. I have the same feeling whenever I read one of your senselessly verbose and browbeating posts.

I hate most people who can't accept their own limitations - who think they are better than they are at something, be it playing basketball or having civilized conversation.

Then again, I also think about 95% of the world is stupid and should be sterilized.

The reasons to hate Evan Turner are simple - he's incapable of accepting his limitations as a basketball player and thus he does more harm than good in his attempt to be what he is not.

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Tray reply to GoSixers on Nov 18 at 16:32
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Yeah. No one hates, I don't know, Caron Butler, even though he has (very roughly) similar limitations on his talent. The reason being that Butler usually doesn't play as if he were the superstar people mistook him for as a prospect, while Turner still does.

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buke reply to GoSixers on Nov 18 at 16:40
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Well, I don't know how much of this is due to his refusal to accept his limitations and how much has been due to playing on teams (for the last two years) where he has been forced to play a role that may exceed his limitations. Maybe some of each.

Since I don't know Turner, I don't know what he really believes about how he ranks in the league. I tend not to hate people that 1) I don't have personal dealings with OR 2) don't cause any significant damages by their personal actions.

Well in general I don't tend to use the word hate much either but it seems very popular here :)

If you don't think Evan Turner hs a higher opinion of his game than his abilities - why does he keep taking awful shots?

I'm not sure many players really know what a good shot is.

I think there's a lot of psychology at play. For example, if a player sees his shot go in more frequently, and considerably more frequently, he may feel rewarded for making a long two 44% of the time rather than a 3 35% of the time, despite yielding more points from the three point shot. It's a bit counterintuitive to prioritize the shot you make less often, and I'm not sure how many players really take the time to think about the math of it, and even if a coach like Brett Brown goes and tries to really hammer the point in, he's running up against 2 decades worth of playing and habit forming for some of these players.

I'm not even talking shot selection - i'm talking the god awful shot that is Evan Turners shooting mechanics...I'm talking about Evan Turner realizing his own natural limitations in his ability and accepting them instead of trying to think he's a super star

He's probably a nice little bench player, if he would put in some work on his fundamentals (passing, rebounding, defense) but again - that's coaching (which was kind of my point on calipari - i don't see these guys, even in their one year there, developing any fundamentals)

Turner: Mouth got game. (Mr. Jabberwocky.) Game got holes. (Jimmy Jackson.) Sixers got decision pending. (North, east, south or west.)


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