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Such unwarranted hatred for Evan Turner, he's just misunderstood (hearing people on TV trying to spin Rudy Gay as a positive player is hysterical - especially when one of them is a part owner of the Kings)...it is quite a 'cunundrum'

Grr. Fixed it. The spelling, not the hatred for Evan Turner and everything he stands for. TS keeps right on inching down, btw.

I'm just yanking your chain - spelling conundrum can present one some times...as for the Turner stuff - well - he's a league average player - and plays like it. The question is why does the coach give him the ball so much

"Guys who use up a ton of possessions and don't do a whole lot with them sink your team in the long run....but, they get hot sometimes and when they get hot, you wind up winning games maybe you should have, or could have if you're tanking, lost."

I don't really understand this theory, and you've said it a couple times now so I thought I would take issue with it. First, players like Gay and Turner get incredibly cold sometimes, or in Gay's case this year all the time. Gay had an 11-37 night this year; in very many games he shot 35% or less. Turner too will often have 4-16 nights. If you give people like Thad and Anderson an extra 16 shots, it's pretty unlikely they'll only make 4 of them. So maybe we actually wind up losing more games than we should. If your argument is basically that there's a bigger standard deviation on Turner's or Gay's play than the standard deviation for non-Turner Sixers and non-Gay Raptors, and I think it is, that ought to cut both ways; players who aren't like Turner or Gay rarely have the sorts of incredibly damaging games that they do. And in Toronto's case, even if there is a tiny fringe benefit in having a player in Gay who can occasionally score an efficient 28-35 points (although DeRozan is another such player, and he's a lot better than Gay is), it's hugely canceled out by giving Gay's shots to players who are just a lot better at making shots.

Second, teams without players like Turner and Gay get hot too. NBA players with any kind of decent offensive skillset get hot sometimes, period, and almost any team in the NBA can get hot from three on occasion. I think you'd be really hard-pressed to find any team, even Charlotte, that hasn't had some really hot shooting nights this year. Any tanking team has players who can heat up. Even Milwaukee has Mayo and Brandon Knight and Ilyasova.

Either I'm not explaining this correctly, or the logic is off. The latter is probably more likely. Let me give it one more try.

The team is bad, we know this. The differential is terrible. They're bad to the point where they really shouldn't beat anyone...on any night. This year, Turner's overall numbers really aren't the problem, but let's just assume for the sake of argument that his numbers will return to form, and he'll be a guy with a 25% usage rate, a high turnover rate, and a sub .500 TS%. When you incorporate those numbers into the team's total, let's say the expectation would be 15 wins.

So Turner's baseline is terrible, right. An average game from him equals a loss from the team on most nights. Just like a below average game from him equals a loss on most nights. Doesn't matter if you lose by 7 or you lose by 30, they're both losses. The problem is, he's capable of I don't know, a dozen games where his terrible shots are falling. On those nights, his 20+ possessions turn into 30+ points, instead of 18. When that happens, you wind up winning games you shouldn't have.

It's a pretty simple equation, you're saying his below-average play turns games that shouldn't be losses into losses at the same rate he steals wins on the other end. I'm saying nearly every game should be a loss anyway, when he's even worse than usual, it doesn't make a difference. But when he gets lucky, it adds wins. Replace Turner with a bad player who doesn't have flashes and you're a more consistent loser.

Flip the coin. If Turner was surrounded by really good players playing the same role he plays now, and even with his shit production they were a good team, expected to win most games, then in that case his extra good games wouldn't really be a benefit, but his extra bad games would keep them from being elite.


And to answer your question about why it matters more when Gay and Turner get hot, it's because those other players you mentioned don't use as many possessions. If a guy gets hot off the bench, great, maybe he gets 10-15 shots. If Turner or Gay get hot, their 25% usage rate is going to go up 30%+ because the offensive is already used to them taking so many shots.

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...you mean hang a win on them = they win we lose? or we want to beat these guys?

They win. We lose.

which means everyone wins right? man is this confusing

hahahahahawes stuffed

woah can they give shared blocks in the NBA like half sacks??

I wonder if the sixers average most points given up in the first quarter

@sam_amick Final Asik note: Rival execs believe Rockets have deal in place - Philly their educated guess - & looking for better one b4 pulling trigger

36 point quarter, down 15, all going according to plan eh?

brandon davies charge taker

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eddies' heady's on Dec 13 at 19:40
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Anderson 3.

anderson 3 in transition

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eddies' heady's on Dec 13 at 19:41
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How was that a moving screen when there wasn't even any contact? On Davies.

Anderson and-one.

anderson and 1

davies o-rebound then hook shot

10-0 run

starters come out, toronto lead narrows...do we have a new edition of the #nightshift here??

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eddies' heady's on Dec 13 at 19:42
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Same trend as Minny game so far, starters mail it in and look like shit and the bench plays their ass off and makes it a respectable margin.

nice drive by anderson

wroten 3

stop shooting those

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eddies' heady's on Dec 13 at 19:48
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Cut the lead down to 3 and as soon as a few starters trickled back in lead went back up to 8.

Wroten 3

No MCW, right? On my way home, deciding if I'll watch later

right

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eddies' heady's reply to Brian on Dec 13 at 19:50
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Haven't seen anything official, but he's not played yet. Brown subbed in for Wroten

some bad rolls on thad's shots

et corner 3

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eddies' heady's on Dec 13 at 19:50
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ET swish on a corner 3.

20-7 run so coach BB puts in turner...now to see if it works... #tanktanktank

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eddies' heady's on Dec 13 at 19:51
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Wroten is 3 for 3 from deep so far.

ahahaha "some of the best restaurant in the world are in toronto and tony wroten is makin reservations for 3"

^ malik you are the man

I think you can see why Toronto's so eager to trade Lowry. Too good with him, lousy without him.

wroten to thad

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eddies' heady's on Dec 13 at 19:54
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Nice drive and dish from Wroten to Thad for slam.

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eddies' heady's on Dec 13 at 19:55
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Thad o-foul. He should have handed that off to Hollis right beside him.

wroten to the line

and the night shift ties it so lavoy comes back in to re-tank this one

wroten and 1! missed the ft

cant believe they stopped going under cause he hit a couple 3's

hawes splits the free throws

turner stuffed, takes his time getting back on D as they score, runs right into hansborough for another turnerover...brian you're missing out on this??

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eddies' heady's on Dec 13 at 20:07
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Heh, Hansbrough picks Turner rather clean at the top of the key and Turner grabs him pretty hard and rough and holds onto Tyler longer than needed, slinging Tyler around and Hansbrough takes offense to it. But Turner quickly squashes it and tells Hansbrough, "it's ok bro". Refs checking now to see if frustration foul was clear path.

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eddies' heady's on Dec 13 at 20:08
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Orton sighting. Hawes only has 2.

Daniel orton sighting

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eddies' heady's on Dec 13 at 20:09
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Elliot has to learn to give a hard foul there. He had already bit hard on the fake.

down 8 at the half

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eddies' heady's on Dec 13 at 20:11
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Down 8 at the half.

48-56

sissy floater

woah spence almost disappeared when they showed him from that angle in the paint that is THE EXACT SAME COLOR

bad start pushes the deficit to 14

hawes to the line

uhoh thad stayed down for a while better pull him and sit him for a few games coach #tanktanktank

wroten 3 goes in

stop shooting those

thompson never gets a call to go his way

hawes running the break!

Holy shit Spencer Hawes

et to the line

hate to ask the question but...is anyone rooting against the sixers right now?

i always want them to win

wroten and 1!

missed the ft

et corner 3

kinda looks like the Sixers D figured out Raps offensive sets

ahh and now ET is going into LouWill mode...can't let this get too close, maybe it's time to put davies and zo back in?

et to the line

ahahahahahaha anderson missed the oop, davies gives the and-one foul, tank back on, that was close!

that should count

down 7 end of the 3rd

hey remember when brian used to do the +/- for each lineup, sure would be interesting to see what ANY HAWES OR TURNER lineup would be like in this game

hawes to the line

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anomiemnemonical on Dec 13 at 21:03
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I want the Sixers to win

I hate myself

nice entry from wroten to thad

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eddies' heady's on Dec 13 at 21:09
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2 Vasquez 3's. Game.

and it's raining tanks...er threes!

wroten 3

5 3's

will he hit 5 more the rest of the year?

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anomiemnemonical reply to sixerfan1220 on Dec 13 at 21:14
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Total or in one game?

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anomiemnemonical on Dec 13 at 21:13
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I want the Sixers to win

I hate myself

hawes to thad

7 points, 5 left...sounds like time for davies zo and lavoy to salt this one away

thad putback

pissed off et forces a jump ball

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eddies' heady's on Dec 13 at 21:19
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Turner stuffed twice within seconds. Hustles to force a jumpball though. Probably more because he was pissed about being rejected.

et 3!

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eddies' heady's on Dec 13 at 21:21
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ET 3. Off Anderson drive and kick.

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anomiemnemonical on Dec 13 at 21:21
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Keep shooting Tony..

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eddies' heady's on Dec 13 at 21:21
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Thad draws charge. Down 4 w/ 2 to go.

shout out to dwane casey on that close out when turner was shooting that 3

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eddies' heady's reply to sixerfan1220 on Dec 13 at 21:24
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Saw that, heh. He was screaming right at him.

Supremely unsurprising stat: Turner is tied for the lead in most shots blocked per night.

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anomiemnemonical reply to Tray on Dec 13 at 21:26
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The fact that there's a tie is surprising actually. Tied with whom?

Hobbled Derrick Rose. Turner may pull ahead with 3 tonight; they were both averaging 1.8. Of course, this is just a counting stat, others may (indeed, do) get blocked at a much higher rate, though a lot of the leaders are big men. As far as guards and wings it's

Rose/Turner - 1.8 (on 17 shots, in Turner's case)
Oladipo - 1.5 (on 11.6 shots a night)
Evans/Lawson/Westbrook/Gay/Lillard - 1.3
Kemba/Waiters - 1.2

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anomiemnemonical reply to Tray on Dec 13 at 22:16
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The fact that there's a tie is surprising actually. Tied with whom?

See above.

thad to wroten

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eddies' heady's on Dec 13 at 21:25
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Ross cans a 3 right in Turner's grill. Down 5.

CLUTCH three by the dunkmaster, cmon tony we all like you but don't hurt yourself there dude

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eddies' heady's on Dec 13 at 21:25
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Annnddddd a Turnerover. I mean, what else is more convenient in crunch time?

ET clank, may have just iced it, down 6 1 to go

Raptor's announcer is the reincarnation of Joe Garagiola. Mute.

DeRozan!

*derozan pump fake

sixer flies by

*derozan pump fake

sixer flies by

lost by 8

Portland comes to town tomorrow

YES this is exactly what hawes was doing, red jerses plus red paint equals this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9_JlpfKJvc

Orlando dropped another game to stay within a half game of us; Cleveland won and is now a full 3 games behind us in the tankstakes. Orlando got Tobias Harris back though; 10 and 5 in 15 minutes. And Oladipo had a very impressive 26, 5, 4, 4 steals, and 3 block night, all on just 13 shots. He's the third youngest player to record such a line; only players who've done that at 24 or younger are LeBron, Jordan, Barkley, Olajuwon, Garnett, Pierce, Webber, Penny, Kyrie Irving, and Josh Smith.

The Pelicans are routing Memphis, unfortunately. Memphis will drop to 10-12 and just might pull a tank job the way things are going. Wouldn't be hard to rack up a ton of losses with a stripped-down roster in their conference.

Ahhh, Bucks were winning all night, lose on a last-second Dunleavy three.

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Statman on Dec 14 at 0:06
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If Evan Turner's season ended tonight, he would end the season with 0 blocked shots in 898 minutes. That would rank him 35th all-time (blocked shots have only been kept since 73-74), with only guards ahead of him. Given that he leads the league in having his own shot blocked, I guess that he must lead the league in negative block differential?

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Tray reply to Statman on Dec 14 at 1:22
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Yeah, barely. Rose had his shot blocked 1.8 times a game, and blocked a single shot in the ten games he played. So he's at -1.7, while Turner's at -1.8. Cousins has moved into a tie for most shots blocked after getting his shot blocked five times tonight (once by Bledsoe), but he blocks a shot a game too. Here's a list by differential:

Turner - 1.8
Rose - 1.7
Z. Randolph - 1.3
D. Lee - 1.2
Pekovic - 1.2
Westbrook - 1.1
Irving - 1.0
Lillard - 1.0
Afflalo - 1.0
Monroe - 1.0
Lawson - 1.0
I. Thomas - 1.0
Waiters - 0.9
Mayo - 0.9
T. Evans - 0.9
Kevin Martin - 0.9

So apparently we can only trade guys signed before 9/15 as of tomorrow. I assumed it was all FA's but that rules out my Daniel Orton conspiracy. Now I am just bummed he isn't getting any burn.

I finally got to watch some of the game last night. Quick thoughts:

1. I do think Hollis Thompson can be a good glue guy on a good team. He has a lot of things you cannot teach: length, athleticism, stroke. I liked some of his aggressiveness to the hoop even though he clearly will not get calls (doesn't seem to argue quite like Turner, ha). In the San Antonio system, he has a fit and I assume that is what Brown will form once he has more talent. I will be interested to watch his development, even though it will be a different kind of development. I think his ceiling is a Sefalosha-esque player. I know we need the bigger piec
es on this team, but it would not be a bad thing to have a guy like this locked up on a 4 year deal already.

2. We must keep Wroten in perspective. We welcome his aggressiveness on this bad team, but that could swing sharply in the other direction if we build something in the future. He clearly has a knack for getting to the rim. His jumper is way too inconsistent to be respected and I am not sure that can change. I think he can be a good change of pace guy but I am honestly concerned that he will ever "fit" a rotation. I do see that his assist numbers are solid, so maybe I missed his distribution talents while watching. I just fear us getting glimpses of "Louwillville" when I am not sure he is as complete a player as Lou was. I assume its his defense and distribution that makes his ceiling higher than Lou's. Interested to hear thoughts.

3. Who is ready for Moultrie's return in January?!?!....


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TwoSense reply to Rusty on Dec 14 at 10:29
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Not a believer in Arnett Moultrie. At this point from what we've seen so far, I'd categorize him as a rich man's Lavoy Allen.

I like Hollis as well. He really looks like he has everything a solid role playing wing player should have. He's definitely a keeper.

Wroten is a very difficult guy to evaluate. On the one hand his type of game looks extremely fun and extremely flawed at the same time. On the other hand, he's only 20, one of the youngest players in the league, and realistically if he can just take his agressiveness down a bit and start to play smarter while improving his shooting to passable he can be a great player. His ceiling is realistically huge. He's actually a good passer but tries to many crazy passes (again discipline), but that could be fixed with experience. To be honest he's already better than Lou. Much much better defender and doesn't take terrible long twos after dribbling the clock. His efficiency would go through the roof just by improving his FT shooting, which goes along with his shot in general. And the mechanics are not that bad, his follow through looks rushed and he has some balance issues but those are definitely fixable stuff.

As for Moultrie... Who knows... He played rarely as a rookie under Doug Collins. Doesn't tell me a lot about his abilities. There's talent there, but don't think he's more than a role player.

Beware of the 2014 Draft overconfidence:

"He has some of the qualities of Earl Monroe." - Jack Ramsey, speaking about Shaler Halimon, Sixers #1 pick of 1968

"Plays a lot like Billy Cunningham and the Van Arsdale boys. He's tough, can jump and is aggressive. - Jack Ramsey, summing up Bud Ogden, Sixers #1 pick of 1969

"I had another year of eligibilty in college ball left. And I never really had any plans of playing pro ball." - Al Henry, Sixers #1 pick of 1970, flashing back

"Sixers needed a center in the worst way. Dana Lewis is a center in the worst way." - Philadelphia newspaper scouting report on Sixers #1 pick of 1971

" - 'Where's Waldo?' punctuation game; insert as you best determine, await Wink Martindale's response

Bleacher Report positing some sort of Carmelo to the clippers type scenario, based on Blake 'not being good enough' (still on his rookie deal right?)

What I find laughable is that after all his years in the league is that any team might consider him the missing piece...

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Tray reply to GoSixers on Dec 14 at 16:09
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What I find depressing is that Bleacher Report can print this fantasy, which maybe some "source" in the Knicks front office imagines could happen but obviously would never go over on the Clippers end. And because there are a ton of dumb sports fans, it gets thousands of views, because it's so crazy Tom Ziller writes a piece on it on sbnation, giving it more views, it blows up on nba twitter for the same reasons, and ultimately Bleacher Report makes money out of reporting or speculating on complete bullshit. And they're owned by Time Warner! At that point shouldn't some modicum of editorial standards kick in?

Modicums can't kick. In or out. Not even partially.

The internet is the Wizard of Aahs. Standards? What are they? Don't trust, and verify if you've got interest, suspicion and the time. But for heaven's sakes don't get depressed about it. It is what it is: a universal Etch-A-Sketch.

There are some really fine and responsible sports journalists out there who primarily report on the internet. It doesn't have to be like this at all. Fans can fantasize about crazy deals all they want, but I really don't get having a major media outlet that reports click-baiting nonsense without any regard for its veracity.

Who are the "really fine and responsible sports journalists" in your opinion? In my purview, 'taint many go-to guys no mo'.

I mean, if we're talking about people who responsibly report on trade talk, I would say Adrian Wojnarowski, Marc Stein, Sam Amick, Howard Beck on the Knicks are all legit. People like Broussard, not so much. As far as people who write and report well on the game itself, there are a ton, actually. A lot of teams have impressive beat writers and bloggers who cover them.

Interesting post on twitter from Sam Amick

Not sure on his reliability - also not sure how it could be 'in place' without a 3rd team (Asik hurts the tanking efforts)

Sam Amick: Final Asik note: Rival execs believe Rockets have deal in place - Philly their educated guess - & looking for better one b4 pulling trigger

One other interesting rumor out there - regarding phoenix (owner of 4 owed first round picks that will probably be conveyed in the next season or two) - they are looking to make moves to improve now - their early season performance has made them more interested in the playoffs than the tankage route...maybe they'd be interested in one of the few contributors the sixers have - that t'wolves pick in 2014 might be available this year - but that lakers 2015 pick looks mighty tasty

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Tray reply to GoSixers on Dec 14 at 15:16
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They're too smart to like anyone but Thad, and they already have the Morris twins, one of whom is having a great season.

Toronto's in an interesting position. Gay masked it, but the current group is good enough to be a 4th seed in the East. In time if they played together, Lowry, DeRozan, Jonas, Ross, and Johnson could be a 50-win team. They're very athletic and have potential on defense. Nevertheless, they seem bent on tanking and adding a top pick to the core before ever even getting a chance to see what this five can do, because they're convinced (rightly so) that they don't have a very high ceiling. We, of course, we're in a similar position years ago, but instead of moving Miller we earnestly competed for the playoffs for years

I think a Hawes for Asik deal makes us worse. Better in the long run, but I don't see Asik making as better near term given his defensive nature and our inability to rotate on the 3 on defense (not something a C will solve). And I think Hinkie may realize this as well.

I want MCW to play tonight to avoid any fear of him being traded. I get why he is a unanimous untouchable but I am worried with Hinkie behind the reigns.

i don't think we deal Thad unless its a dynamite deal. I don't think Thad for Asik would work....Thad + Hawes for Asik + T Jones maybe.... and I think we would be getting a great deal there. Basically I think Hinkie sees Thad's value but I don't think the rest of the league does.

I am worried that we do a MCW for Mclemore + Kings protected 1st rounder pick. Don't ask me why but I am legitiamately worried until MCW plays a game before Dec 15. (Imagine what I think about JFK)

I obviously would not judge Moultrie by his Doug days (see: N. Vucevic) BUT I understand the concern. He definitely crashes the glass. He was definitely out of shape and appears to be in better shape depstie being injured. I get that we should have low hopes, which I do, but why not be a rotaional player. Boris Diaw player for the Spurs and I see his prime as Moultries upside. Big man who is "too soft" but can hit a J and crashes the glass.

Oh boy - Dec 15-19 should be tell-tale.

PS - I get Brian's thought process on why Turner sucks and might win us some game, BUT that is how it works. He loses 9 games and wins 1. I think he ultimately helps the tank because he only goes off in a small percentage of games and loses you the rest.

Most the things I've read say nothing about Hawes - they point out that Asik for Young works straight up - it's not a deal I like because it doesn't make the sixers worse - actually it might allow them to use hawes as a '4' and have a slightly better defensive 5

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Rusty reply to GoSixers on Dec 14 at 16:11
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Agreed - but have we seen something rumored that has actually happened in the Hinkie era? I know it will happen eventually but I believe our GM is one step ahead. Wishfull thinking I know. And I do think our GM is better than Morey.

I don't like Young for Asik. I think Thad is an unreal "asset" despite our timing on being a "contender". I don't think Hinkie deals him unless we get something serious in return which won't happen because most GMs don't see his value.

The next week will be VERY telling. It would be nice to have another "prospect" here to watch. Trying to determine if Hollis Thompson is a glue guy is NOT what the 99% think about as fans.

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Tray reply to Rusty on Dec 14 at 16:20
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I would like to keep Thad too and don't think we need to move him to tank. If we do trade him for Asik, I would expect (and hope) we'll send him elsewhere right away. Our

headed to the game tonight

hopefully they can keep it somewhat close so i can see a games worth of lillard

should be good

There's a chance. Blazers have played Sixers 101 times in regular season, won 47- lost 54 ... Blazers points scored per game: 104.3; points against per game: 104.7.
Blazers have been in playoffs 29 out of 43 seasons, Sixers 33 out of 49 seasons.

Lillard 115 for 125 from stripe this season (.920) - nice. Rick Barry nice. Mark Price nice.

Did anyone else see Kentucky-UNC? I want no part of Randle, at least not with a top 3 pick. Won't defend, can't pass when doubled, pouts and takes bad jump shots when things are going wrong. He's a one-way player who isn't even consistently dominant on that end. Obviously a very different player than Al Jefferson - quicker, gets to the line more - but I could easily see him having that kind of mediocre impact.

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The Six reply to Tray on Dec 15 at 1:45
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I would agree with you. With all of his physical talents, he seems like a guy who is going to play a one-sided game. Now in fairness, I'm not sure how much of that is what Coach Cal is encouraging him to do.

Embiid, on the other hand looks to be making a serious run an no 1 overall. He looks real impressive.

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Tray reply to The Six on Dec 15 at 1:51
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I don't even know how good he'll be on offense in the NBA. I certainly can't conceive of building a franchise around him.

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Stan reply to Tray on Dec 15 at 10:53
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I don't buy it either. I think his height and his average wing span are going to give him problems in the NBA.

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eddies' heady's on Dec 14 at 20:11
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Rip City huh? ok

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eddies' heady's on Dec 14 at 20:12
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Spencer Hawes fadeaway, Kareem-esque. To start it off.

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eddies' heady's on Dec 14 at 20:12
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Thad with two nice crossover dribbles for a layup.

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eddies' heady's on Dec 14 at 20:13
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Hawes 3!!!

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eddies' heady's on Dec 14 at 20:13
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Spencer gets his backdoor pass picked off for a turnover.

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eddies' heady's on Dec 14 at 20:15
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Whew nice play from the Blazers there.

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eddies' heady's on Dec 14 at 20:15
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Hollis cutting backdoor baseline, Wroten finds him after re-gathering the ball.

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eddies' heady's on Dec 14 at 20:16
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AWWWW Spencer Hawes with another Kareem-esque move, spin move, stop, turnaround J. heh

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eddies' heady's on Dec 14 at 20:17
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Lillard just threw that shit up there so easily-looking on that three.

Thad.

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eddies' heady's on Dec 14 at 20:17
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Thad 3!!!

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eddies' heady's on Dec 14 at 20:18
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We give up a dunk. Timeout Brett Brown.

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eddies' heady's on Dec 14 at 20:22
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Evan with a Bullshit J. Don't think I've said his name all night. It was good while it lasted.

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eddies' heady's on Dec 14 at 20:23
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Evan with a weak 2" elevated attempt at the rim, you know the result.

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eddies' heady's on Dec 14 at 20:24
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Spencer posting up again, drains the J.

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eddies' heady's on Dec 14 at 20:24
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Wroten 3!! His form looks good on those now, just like the ones from last night.

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eddies' heady's on Dec 14 at 20:25
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Wroten attacking quickly!!! Goaltending, score it.

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eddies' heady's on Dec 14 at 20:28
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Wroten witn another smooth-stroke three!

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eddies' heady's on Dec 14 at 20:29
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Wroten doesn't finish, 3 on other end by Batum. ugh

Just made it. Sort of watching over dinner, saw Turner miss a one-hander from the foul line, get blocked on a drive, and lose Batum for a three..make that two threes. Awesome.

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eddies' heady's on Dec 14 at 20:29
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Thad with a nice runner floater.

Subs in, Zo and Davies.

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eddies' heady's on Dec 14 at 20:30
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And Lavoy, Elliot and Anderson. Wholesale changes to the lineup.

Lavoy looks like a bum.

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eddies' heady's reply to eddies' heady's on Dec 14 at 20:33
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*bum on a shot attempt

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eddies' heady's on Dec 14 at 20:31
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Anderson.

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eddies' heady's on Dec 14 at 20:32
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Lavoy makes a three. I pretty much despised it as usual. His first ever.

34-32 after one. Lavoy with the big three.

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eddies' heady's on Dec 14 at 20:35
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Dorell Wright 3.

Dorell for three.

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eddies' heady's on Dec 14 at 20:36
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Anderson.

Def 3 violation on Lavoy? not sure

Was that Wright off the curl in the paint?

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eddies' heady's on Dec 14 at 20:37
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This game has an unbelievable pace.

Zo misses a forced layup attempt. Foul on Lavoy. Spence finally coming back in for him.

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eddies' heady's on Dec 14 at 20:37
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We trap at halfcourt, force a turnover. Nice wrinkle.

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eddies' heady's on Dec 14 at 20:38
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This game should end well over one hundred for both teams.

Anderson. whew it's a hurried pace.

I think Spence fouled both shooters on that drive. Heh. Nice curl by Anderson, Hawes finds him for an easy hoop. Williams hits a three on the other end.

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eddies' heady's on Dec 14 at 20:39
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Anderson off a curl across the free throw line, Spencer with the delivery, Anderson layin.

Shit, Blazers 3.

Too fast.

Spencer with a terrible fadeaway attempt. Bad shot.

Hawes w/ an underhand runner...and red shoes!

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eddies' heady's on Dec 14 at 20:40
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Awwww Spencer with a shot-fake, and a Gervin-esque finger-roll from way out. heh

Wright with another three. Good job matching up w/ the shooters. Spence cleaning up slop.

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eddies' heady's on Dec 14 at 20:41
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Anderson gets to the hole again, misses, Spencer cleans it up.


Timeout. Man it's flying out there. Both teams with so much energy. Did POR play last night too? Cause I'm curious who's gonna succumb to the tired legs first.

ESPN box score can't keep up w/ the pace.

Turner back in, should be fun.

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eddies' heady's on Dec 14 at 20:44
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Hollis take and hard finish.

I'm officially a Hollis Thompson fan. What kind of player was he in college?

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eddies' heady's reply to Brian on Dec 14 at 20:48
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I remember him spotting up for mostly threes in that Princeton type offense if I remember correctly. He surely had a drive or two mixed in from time to time, but nothing wowing to where you'd say, man, that kid.

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eddies' heady's reply to Brian on Dec 14 at 21:07
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But I did like him. It's hard to judge guys who play in that type system, just like it's hard to project what type of defender someone is that plays for Boeheim. His teams weren't that good either if I recall. He didn't have much help. Led the Big East in 3-pt shooting at one point though.

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eddies' heady's on Dec 14 at 20:49
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Wroten to Thad lob, broken up. POR down quickly, get an o-board, and proceed to gun a made 3.

Sixers score, Thad take on the mismatch.

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eddies' heady's on Dec 14 at 20:50
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Cut by Hollis across the freebie-line, pass from Big Spence. Fouled. Made the first.

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eddies' heady's on Dec 14 at 20:51
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Clanked the second. Fought for the rebound and still Sixers ball.

Wroten take and layin going left as usual.

Mo Williams. damn this is fast.

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eddies' heady's on Dec 14 at 20:52
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Thad sticks a J in LMA's face.

POR 3. miss.

Foul on Evan pushing off.

Turner w/ a lazy foul. pushed lopez underneath instead of getting in position for the board.

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eddies' heady's on Dec 14 at 20:54
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Wroten never had a chance against Lopez on that one.

POR shoots quickly, Sixers turn it over, Wroten.

POR turnover.

Wroten finish in transition!!!

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eddies' heady's on Dec 14 at 20:55
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What a high scoring game!!! dag

Hawes 3!!!!!!

POR J from Wes.

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eddies' heady's on Dec 14 at 20:56
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Hawes commits a halfcourt foul and the 2 min timeout is finally granted.

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eddies' heady's on Dec 14 at 20:59
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Spencer creating again, missing a fallback J.

Lopez.

Hillis take baseline on Lopez. Makes it.

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eddies' heady's on Dec 14 at 21:00
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Damn, how many o-board 3's is that for them? Man that's a ton I think, they shoot it so quick off those boards.

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eddies' heady's on Dec 14 at 21:02
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A 70 pt half possibly, at a minimum a 69 pt one. heh them boys is d-ing it up ain't they

But, on the bright side we managed to somehow scor 64.

They get 71. and a foul, possibly more.

64-71 at the half.

This is an assault on the eyes.

Turner starts the third w/ a blocked shot. Sweetness.

Nice pass, Lillard.

Aldridge gives Thad baseline. Poor decision.

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eddies' heady's on Dec 14 at 21:22
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Turner is still scoreless. What happened to that masked man from the beginning of the season?

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eddies' heady's on Dec 14 at 21:22
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And he timely cans a 3, ET.

Turner hits the three off the dribble penetration by Wroten (I think).

Turner late on a close out, rejected by the rim on the other end and complaining.

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eddies' heady's on Dec 14 at 21:23
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MAn, POR really wastes no time trying to shove it down your throat quickly, they are relentless.

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eddies' heady's on Dec 14 at 21:24
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Hawes airballs a 3. ugh

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eddies' heady's on Dec 14 at 21:25
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Tech on Lopez.

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eddies' heady's reply to eddies' heady's on Dec 14 at 21:25
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whoops sorry on Wroten. ugh

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eddies' heady's on Dec 14 at 21:26
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Evan falls to the floor after bricking a J.

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eddies' heady's on Dec 14 at 21:27
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Hollis the other way. they slow it down Wroten pulls a brick of a 3. Lopez dunk within 2 secs after Wroten's shot. whew, they are a heck of team, they play so damn fast.

Poor decision by Wroten. Turner gets beat down the floor by Brook Lopez on the leak out. Wonderful. Down 15. I'm in until they go down 20.

btw, Portland has their best defensive wing on hollis. They're cross-matching, putting the worse defender on Turner.

Turner jogs back, Portland 3.

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eddies' heady's on Dec 14 at 21:31
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These guys waste no fucking time. None.

Turner to the bench, where he belongs.

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eddies' heady's on Dec 14 at 21:32
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They score with ease against our D.

101 in the third quarter for Portland.

McDonald's should really give out free Big Macs if the Sixers hold their opponent under 100.

Boos raining down.

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eddies' heady's on Dec 14 at 21:39
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That once close high-scoring game ballooned to 20 with a snap.

But I can laugh at seeing it because I knew we couldn't keep on keeping up with them.

But for it to happen so quickly is truly tankpossesed.

heh, POR w/ 101, 2 plus left in the 3rd quarter.

Good foul by Davies, pretty much the only thing he's worth.

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Tray reply to Brian on Dec 14 at 21:46
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Not sure why you watch the games MCW doesn't play in, now that we're rounding into tanking form. Not really much to see.

I haven't been. Figured I'm snowed in on a Saturday night, I'll check it out. Mostly just on in the background as I do a little work right now. They still aren't showing the scoreboard.

This is hilarious. The Sixers broadcast stopped showing the score, they literally took the little box of the screen.

79-111 after three. Hilarious.

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eddies' heady's on Dec 14 at 21:50
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And the score box is still off the screen. Talk about convenient timing. heh

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eddies' heady's on Dec 14 at 21:51
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Score back now, 116-81.

Very good for our differential! Knicks win, go to 7-16. Lou had an efficient 27 for the Hawks (six threes!), but Melo had 35 on 22 shots.

Davies rejected by the rim on an oop. Embarrassing.

Orton's getting suspended for that. At least someone showed a pulse.

Should be a flagrant on both of them, actually. Leonard threw him to the ground, then Orton threw the elbow into his mug.

Both of them ejected.

Jazz send Rudy Gobert to the league (averaging 15.4 rebounds per 36 minutes, 4.6 rebounds a game in the 10 minutes per game he got in the games they played him) - are still occasionally playing Biedrins. They START Richard Jefferson and Marvin Williams.

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Tray reply to Tray on Dec 14 at 22:06
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*to the D-league

Mavs are beating the bucks by 30 without Dirk.

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Tray reply to Brian on Dec 14 at 22:14
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Raptors beat the Bulls by 22 (and are now 3-1 since trading Gay). Chicago has just two more wins than us and won't have Rose until at least the playoffs; should they/will they tank? They own their pick, plus they get Charlotte's pick this year unless it's in the top ten.

You really think there's any chance Rose comes back this year? He's going to take his time, again.

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Tray reply to Brian on Dec 14 at 22:35
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Right, so why don't they tank? They're in a position where they could be competitive for a top pick if they moved Luol and Boozer quickly.

Yeah, they probably should. They won't, though. Thibs would rather play Deng 45 minutes/game and squeeze into the playoffs.

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Tray reply to Brian on Dec 15 at 0:53
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Does Thibs make roster decisions there?

How long is this knee infection supposed to keep MCW out?

105-139 Final.

Great showing for the home fans on a Saturday night. Excellent work from Turner, as usual.

just got home

pretty fun game at least for the 1st half

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spencer will be moved on Dec 15 at 13:02
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If they can move Thad for Asik they should. A better trade asset come the summer, draft night, because of his shorter deal and position he plays. Then moving Spence for whatever they can get, future considerations?, makes sense to raise Asik's value by giving him 30 to 35 minutes a night.

Asik also could be a long term solution. Who knows if Noel is better than him and whether his body will hold up to the pounding that 35 minutes a night will give it.

As far as Randle and the N.B.A., it is hard for me to guess what he will be, and after what M.C.W. has shown early on can anybody be sure? We have our shotblocker in place so if Randall is the next Z.Randolph than why not pick him?

It seems Randle is doing what people wanted him to do this year. His porported weakness, according to draft express, was settling for the jumper and playing outside. Well he is playing in the post for the most part and doing well.

Zach Randolph's career hasn't exactly been an unqualified success. Thad for Asik worries me because it could make us better this season. In theory it might be a wash, but Thad's having a bit of a down year.

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spencer will be moved reply to Tray on Dec 15 at 16:31
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By the Randolph comparison I meant a 20/10 guy who may have defensive shortcomings. If he had Randolph's off the court issues I wouldn't touch him.

If Hawes is moved, along with Thad, I don't think an Asik addition adds many wins.

Embiid may end up the top pick when all is said and done. Could Wiggins be there at #3?

I think Zach Randolph is in a way Randle's floor. Too much has been made of that comparison and it's not very accurate. Sure his post game resembles Randolph's but that's pretty much where the comparison ends. Randle is an infinitely better prospect character-wise. He's not useless and gives effort on defense even though he's not a shot blocker nor does he get any steals. And most importantly, he has elite handle for his size. He often looks like LeBron on the court. Randolph certainly doesn't have anything resembling that. And he's not a black hole - he's a willing an able passer (even though he needs work on his shot selection).

Sure, i've been disappointed by his non-existent jump shot so far, but far from it that i think he won't be good. He's the safest prospect of them all IMO. Pretty much no downside to him. He has the ability to get to the line so much that even if he does struggle a bit against NBA length in the post, he'll still be efficient enough to warrant touches.

And i always look at the size/handle ratio when trying to find a superstar prospect. He is elite there (as are some others in this draft class).

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Tray reply to Xsago on Dec 15 at 16:05
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Randle could be a lot better than Randolph. But I think it's almost never accurate to say that some multi-season All-Star is a prospect's floor. Almost any prospect's floor is that prospect not being very good at all. For example, Derrick Coleman, Beasley, Darko, Marvin Williams, Bargnani, Derrick Williams, and many others were all big, skilled prospects who people thought, at worst, would be very good players. You can almost always picture a scenario where it doesn't work out, and given how often this happens to highly touted prospects, you shouldn't assume that the worst case scenario is tremendously unlikely, either.

There are two main reasons "safe" prospects don't work out: various kind of character issues and injuries. Maybe lack of opportunity, but that happens very very rarely with the "safe" prospects. For the most part you can't predict injuries, so all you need to do really is pick high IQ guys who do indeed work on their game. All indications suggest, Randle is possibly the most driven player in the draft and has zero character red flags like Coleman, Beasley and Darko.

Obviously, it's too early and i will reserve judgement for later, but i feel like the recent Randle hate is unwarranted.

@ZachLowe_NBA League announces both Meyers Leonard and Daniel Orton suspended one game for altercation last night.

Kings about to beat the Rockets. Big for tanking purposes.

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spencer will be moved on Dec 16 at 7:36
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It sounds like Spence may be a better fit for Houston because of his contract. On Hoopshype it was said they don't want long term money, Thad?, because they have to pay Parsons this summer.

McHale may get his ttwin tower lineup yet, but this time it could work with Spences' offensive game. My guess is 3rd team gives Houston a pick and we get some kind of assets.


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