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very interesting topic to debate

and this comes after Jennings joined Rome (different case, but anyway..) and Nachbar went to Russia for the same reasons Childress is now "weighing"

someone said a new trend started, and it might be true

you gotta love the strong euro (and I mean the currency here, LOL)

The strong Euro isn't so great for us :) Euros are gobbling up NY real estate at an alarming rate.

I'm just wondering if a true star is ever going to jump to the euro leagues, and what that would mean to the NBA as we know it.

It would take a lot; I'm talking many major stars "defecting", for the NBA to change it's ways. Kids here grow up aspiring for the NBA; they know nothing about currency exchange rates and CBA headaches. So, anything more than marginal players going to Europe is tough to see. Plus, David Stern still thinks of himself as a genius dictator of the sport. He won't change. I mean how many millions has the NBA lost siphoning money over to the WNBA and they still promote that damn waste of a league incessantly? I don't know who irks me more, Stern or Joe Banner.

Definitely an interesting topic. Let me look at this a bit philosophically, if I may.

At one end of the sporting spectrum is football, where the NFL has a monopoly on top talent and likely always will. At the other end of the sporting spectrum is soccer, in which four countries (England, Spain, Italy, and Germany) have top tier leagues, and many more (Portugal, Netherlands, etc.) have varying amounts of talented players.

To date, basketball has been far more to the football side of the spectrum, but as it becomes more and more popular internationally -- that is, as it becomes more like soccer and less like a "one country sport," if you will, like football -- then the equilibrium will shift. I can certainly foresee NBA-worthy Europeans and international players staying in Europe for the bulk of their careers, but I just hope we don't ever get to the point where any of the top 25 American players are playing overseas. When that happens, then yes, the league will be in some serious trouble.

Terrific for basketball.

Terrible for the NBA.

Not good for soccer.

Why do people play basketball instead of soccer? Because you can easily play by yourself. The growth of basketball overseas shouldn't be surprising.

This isn't a small thing. This is a shift going on in the world towards the game of basketball and away from soccer. Obviously soccer is still king, but what if this trend continues for a few decades?

If the NBA doesn't blow up the CBA, then rookie scale contracts will be the first big problem for American players. Players will be forced to choose between the NBA and other leagues around the world. Think about it... if you had to choose between living in Rome or Memphis and you would be making 3X as much in Rome, what would you do?

The only thing stopping me would be the mystic surrounding the NBA. What happens to that mystic if Lebron, Kobe, and the USA basketball team keeping losing? It slowly withers and Europe begins to look less like a downgrade in terms of the talent level.

The whole way that the leagues are set up overseas is fantastic as well compared to the NBA.

I wonder if there's any chance of a collaboration at some point. Shorten the playoffs for the NBA, have the Euro champion play the NBA champs for the world championship?

If you can't beat 'em, join 'em?

The CBA could very well be the thing that kills the league.

Joe reply to Brian on Jul 22 at 19:27

I doubt the NBA will want to collaborate. If they win, they were supposed to. If they lose, yikes. All sorts of bad stuff.

The CBA needs to be reworked. The NBA isn't the only market anymore. Other markets are forming and are taking legit players from the NBA, not "leftovers." I would welcome an NBA A league and an NBA B league concept. That way there is no tanking in the A league. If you tank, you will be demoted, which would cost ownership tons of money.

You could say the same about soccer stars going to teams in the US (Beckham, Blanco, Gallardo, etc). I don't think we have to worry too much right now. When a superstar is actually considering going overseas then we should press the panic button.

Joe reply to Andres on Jul 22 at 19:37

Childress is a young, talented, productive player. A loss like him from the NBA is not one that should be ignored. He would make any team's rotation.

Yup, Childress would be a huge defection. Just the fact that European guys who can hack it in the NBA are choosing to go back to Europe is more of a red flag than is being reported.

If Childress leaves then fuck him.

I'm sorry that's all I have to add to this philosophical conversation. As a Hawks fan I'm very disappointed at this posturing.

I think the big thing to remember is the the average "professional lifespan" of an athlete.

Obviously playing with the Hawks so far, he hasn't won much. Now, he can go to Europe, play on a team that has a chance to win, and get paid more money than he would make in America. He will most likely get the tax-free clause in his contract.

I think it is a smart move on his part, both financially and professionally. It does put some pressure on the NBA, but then again, the major stars will never go to Europe because they just won't get the endorsement money that they will get here.

Once that happens, then there is a problem.

Childress is gone; signed on with the Greek Team today for LESS total money I think.


Joe reply to Max on Jul 23 at 14:25

Nah. Not for less.

3 years 19.9(after taxes)
5 years 35 million.
5 years ?? million(after taxes)

I don't have esact numbers. Might look up later, but I assume at least 40% is taken away. Making it about 21 million for 5 years.

Not really even close. He has an opt out clause every single season in Greece as well, which is pretty nice to have.

Does anyone know how long ATL holds his restricted FA rights? I heard 2 years somewhere.

Joe reply to Brian on Jul 23 at 19:36

Here you go... link

A very high level CBA discussion going on.

Joe reply to Joe on Jul 23 at 19:42

Sorry, forgot to html the link.

I am confused by this entire conversation though. I thought I had some decent cap knowledge, apparently not.

Joe reply to Brian on Jul 23 at 19:48

Actually that thread is about something different but similar.

They seem to be insinuating that the number of years isn't a factor. That you can just extend the QO every offseason.

This is probably minority opinion, but I actually think this is a good thing. Hoops is going global. It's not there yet, but soon enough there will be so many high level athletes playing that one league (the NBA) won't be able to monopolize talent. In the short term, this weakens the NBA talent pool. But in the long term it opens up a whole new level of global competition. This is exactly what has happened in soccer. In Europe, winning a league championship is still hugely important, but then on top of that you have the champions league. The competition is insane.

Again, right now the other leagues aren't strong enough to support real intercontinental competition. But if they get there, that only makes things more interesting, and enhances global interest in the sport. All good.

I agree in your post, but there must be an exact explanation on that.

I think that going to online universities is soon going to become the best way of getting an education.

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