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Hey Brian,

Out of the 2004 draft of Dwight Howard, Emeka Okafor, Ben Gordon, Delonte West, Luol Deng, Josh Smith and Andre Iguodala, where do you rank Iguodala in terms of production and talent?

Howard signed a contract extension in July 07 for five years, 85 mil., Deng's signing was 71 mil. over six years, Okafor wants a sign and trade between 70 and 75 mil., so what figure will it take to sign Andre? And what about Smith... is there any more talk of him going to the Pistons?

A Smith sign-and-trade would be just as difficult to pull off as an Iguodala sign-and-trade. The Hawks could only take back 50% of the first year value of whatever contract they sign him too.

As for ranking that draft, Howard got what he deserves, he's definitely a max contract guy. I put Iguodala above just about everyone else. Salary-wise, I still think $75M/6 years.

Graham on Aug 1 at 8:58

If he gets a deal in the 25-27MM range over 5 years I would assume that Ed sees him in a starting role, no? 5-6MM per year would be a fairly pricey bench player.

My thinking tells me that with Igoudala, Young, Brand and Dalembert under longer contracts we're conceding Andre Miller taking off after this season.

That, in my opinion, would be a mistake.

$5M/year isn't a crazy salary for a 6th man. If you check the comments on the restricted FA post I wrote a couple of days ago Joe put together a chart showing the other guys who have signed for the mid-level this offseason as they compare to Lou.

Me thinks Graham is right. Miller will probably be a casualty in the capology game come next season.

It's always hard to predict the future, but if Miller is playing well and has good trade value in January, do we pull the trigger on a trade while we can still get something in return for him?

All in all, I have a lot more confidence in Stefanski making those decisions than B.K. .
Sixers fans have a lot to be thankful for.

I think if Miller gets moved this season, something went terribly wrong. Right now, they don't have another option for a starting point guard. Maybe Lou develops into that, maybe he doesn't, but this team's best chance this season is with Miller running the show.

As for next year, well, the Sixers will have Bird Rights to Miller, so if they want to bring him back, and he wants to come back, they can go over the cap as much as they need to, to do so. Whether it makes sense to sign a PG at his age to a healthy extension, and go into the luxury tax stratosphere to do it, is another matter. Of course, they could sign and trade him next Summer, which may be the most likely scenario.

I couldn't agree more with the both of you.

However; I do not want to see Miller traded at the deadline. If he leaves, he leaves, but he gives us the best chance of contending this season.

Ed is the man and I couldn't be more confident in him as our GM.

Ed is a much smarter man than I am, but this does look to me like an acknowledgment that Lou is our PG of the future. This strikes me as a gamble that he will continue to develop and his decision making will improve. He can already get anywhere he wants on the court, and on occasion he uses that to set up his teammates. (Remind you of anyone?) Mo needs to get him to pick his head up a second sooner, and to better anticipate where his guys will be. Brand will help.

I'm a big Miller fan, but I would be OK with trading him (either mid-season or next summer) for a upper-tier shooting guard. Hopefully Iguodala proves me wrong and we don't have a need there, but I'm still not sold.

I'll admit, I was surprised to see Deng get $80M after basically shutting it down last season. He was great in '07, and is a better shooter than 'Dre, but overall I would take our guy. Okafor is a center who doesn't suck, and as our own Sammy Dalembert showed several years back, the market for those is always inflated...see Biedrins, Andres.

“A Smith sign-and-trade would be just as difficult to pull off as an Iguodala sign-and-trade. The Hawks could only take back 50% of the first year value of whatever contract they sign him too.”
Can’t they just enormously front load the contract?

Unfortunately, no.

Basically, when you sign and trade a player who got a significant raise with the contract he signed, the team trading him is put in a horrible position.

The team trading him can only take back 50% of the first-year value of the contract, or the player's salary from the previous season, whichever is higher. But the team he's being traded to must assume the entire first-year value of the contract.

So, say Smith's first year salary was $10M, that would mean the Hawks could only take $5M back in salary, and the team they're trading with would have to clear $10M in salary to fit him under the cap. They'd either have to have an extra $5M in cap room, or a third team would have to get involved.

Here's an example of how it could work, but it's highly unlikely.

ATL signs Smith, the first year of the contract is valued at $13M. They then trade Smith to Detroit for Tayshaun Prince ($9.5M salary this upcoming season). To make the deal work, ATL would need to clear another $3.5M off their books to fit Prince under (they open up $6.5M by trading Smith, 50% of the first year of the contract he signed). Detroit would also have to clear $3.5M from their cap to fit the full $13M of Smith's contract under their cap number.

So, a third team would have to get involved. Let's use Denver as a hypothetical. They have an $8M trade exception from the Camby trade. If the Hawks sent Zaza Pachulia ($4M expiring deal) and a draft pick or two to Denver and Detroit sent Amir Johnson ($3.66M contract) to Denver along w/ a pick or two, the deal could work.

Of course, it's highly unlikely that Denver would take on $8M of salary to facilitate this trade unless multiple draft picks were involved.

Minnesota would be another team who could step in as the third team, but they've been hesitant to spend money under any circumstances.

I hope that makes sense.

Thanks for the knowledge

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