DFDepressed FanDepressed Fan All Sixers, all the time DFDepressed Fan Draft Day 2014 STORYCOMMENTS (556) GoSixers on Jun 26 at 11:26 Reply +/- Following on that Orlando Denver Salary mismatch... The Nuggets appear to be absorbing Afflalo into a trade exception, Zach Lowe of Grantland tweets. A quick glance at this summer’s outstanding trade exceptions would indicate that Denver is using the $9.868MM exception from the Andre Iguodala deal to take on Afflalo. sixerfan1220 on Jun 26 at 11:42 Reply +/- pretty sure that Afflalo deal really hurts thad's value GoSixers reply to sixerfan1220 on Jun 26 at 11:45 Reply +/- What about the asik deal last night? I think the value depends on the team that wants him. The lakers for instance might value experience more than the #7 pick since they will have cap room and screwed themselves with the Kobe extension tk76 on Jun 26 at 11:52 Reply +/- I think your dream scenario is a pipe dream. Maybe it could have happened last week back when Embiid was healthy and Randle was sliding. But right now I expect that if they want Wiggins it will take a kings ransom- like 3+10+32. GoSixers reply to tk76 on Jun 26 at 11:56 Reply +/- Or more, if you believe Sam Amcio's most recent comment. There’s a lot of skepticism that the Cavs are at all serious about trading the No. 1 pick So they're probably looking for that Herschel Walker type over pay. Brian reply to tk76 on Jun 26 at 12:19 Reply +/- I'm fine with that price Tray reply to Brian on Jun 26 at 13:03 Reply +/- I would have done that for a healthy Embiid, but not for Wiggins. Not even if I knew he'd be the next Paul George, which of course we don't. Brian reply to Tray on Jun 26 at 13:09 Reply +/- I think that's idiotic, but to each his own. Tray reply to Brian on Jun 26 at 13:19 Reply +/- George is the "franchise player" on a team that got trounced by a team that got trounced in the Finals. I think that whether he's good enough to be the best player on a Finals winner is a very open question. When they were competitive against Miami the previous season, Hibbert was the best player in the series. Anyway, I only see something like a 30 to 40 percent chance that Wiggins will even be that good. Brian reply to Tray on Jun 26 at 13:23 Reply +/- I never said I thought George was Wiggins' best-case. I think his ceiling is higher. Brian reply to Tray on Jun 26 at 13:24 Reply +/- And if you had a choice between coming out of this draft with Paul George or two or three guys with about 0% chance of getting anywhere near that level you'd take the latter? That's idiotic. The Six reply to Brian on Jun 26 at 13:30 Reply +/- Paul George is a nice player but let's not get carried away here. The Polar Bear reply to Brian on Jun 26 at 14:03 Reply +/- I'm guessing everyone also gave Paul George about a 0% chance of becoming Paul George Brian reply to The Polar Bear on Jun 26 at 14:08 Reply +/- Very true. I'm all for drafting a wing or a big w/ the size/athleticism to be able to reach that level. buke reply to The Polar Bear on Jun 26 at 14:08 Reply +/- Nice one, Mr. Bear! buke reply to Brian on Jun 26 at 13:46 Reply +/- Brian, your ideal draft: Wiggins, Randle, and Stauskas would be just great. I don't know how anyone could complain about it. The difference between us is that I'm not convinced that Wiggins is "the lynchpin" and I wouldn't be inclined to give up a lot in the way of other opportunities for him. Perhaps I would if I had the same esthetic attachment to his possibilities that you seem to have, but I just don't. I would ask you to reflect back a bit to your feelings on resigning Bynum after the 2013 season when almost everyone else was saying "HELL NO!." I'd be extremely pleased with your ideal draft, of course, but, if I could have anything I might want, I think I would like to see something a bit more radical from Hinkie: using this draft for the purposes of selecting a core of lottery cohorts. Here's something I wouldn't mind at all: #3: Marcus Smart (if Wiggins isn't available); #7 (through trade of Thad): Julius Randle #10: Jusuf Nurkic (because what the NBA needs right now is a Slavic look-a-like of Bryant "Big Country" Reeves); Rodney Hood might be a second choice; if we trade MCW and don't pick Smart, we might want to select Elfrid Payton here, but, as you've said, there are a fair number of competent free agent point guards available. #12 (through trade of MCW to Orlando): Nick Stauskas (preferably) or Doug McDermott Charlie H reply to Brian on Jun 26 at 20:43 Reply +/- A bit harsh sixerfan1220 on Jun 26 at 12:26 Reply +/- according to zach lowe the protections on the pick in the asik deal are as follow: "The Pelicans will keep the pick next season only if it falls within the top three or after no. 20; the Rockets get it if it falls somewhere in between those spots, per sources close to the talks." GoSixers reply to sixerfan1220 on Jun 26 at 12:28 Reply +/- Is that the first time a pick has had top and bottom 'protections' on it? BTW - there's a rumor that to get into the first round at 22, the raptors will be taking on Tayshaun Princes 7 million for next year (and giving away John Salmons and the 37th pick) sixerfan1220 reply to GoSixers on Jun 26 at 12:33 Reply +/- the rockets did a similar thing when they traded lowry to Toronto GoSixers reply to sixerfan1220 on Jun 26 at 12:35 Reply +/- Interesting, didn't know that. Thanks. This day might more fun than trade deadline day in February (just in general) in terms of craziness buke reply to GoSixers on Jun 26 at 13:56 Reply +/- John Salmon's autobiography could have the same title as Rocky Graziano's: Somebody Up there Likes Me. Despite few people "down here" liking him for very long, he continues to be in the league at the age of 34 and, even if the Raptors waive him and his NBA career ends, will have earned about 57 million dollars over his time in the league. The Six on Jun 26 at 12:40 Reply +/- Ford's Final Mock: 1) Wiggins 2) Parker 3) Exum 4) Vonleh 5) Gordon 6) Embiid 10) Stauskas GoSixers reply to The Six on Jun 26 at 12:42 Reply +/- I'm presuming Randle is somewhere in 7-9? The Six reply to GoSixers on Jun 26 at 12:44 Reply +/- sorry: 7) Randle 8) Smart 9) McDermott tk76 reply to The Six on Jun 26 at 15:27 Reply +/- Yep, for a long time there has clearly been a big drop off after #8. I was hoping that somehow one of those top 8 would slide, but that seems unlikely- especially after Saric signed his extension. I actually thought that maybe Saric made it a 9 man draft, but it sounds like he has slid a bit since he will not be coming over for 2 years. It would be funny if they ended up drafting Embiid and Saric. Young and MCW would blow a gasket. buke reply to tk76 on Jun 26 at 15:29 Reply +/- "It would be funny if they ended up drafting Embiid and Saric. Young and MCW would blow a gasket." And they would be joined by many thousands of fans. Brian reply to tk76 on Jun 26 at 15:30 Reply +/- I'd be fine w/ that if they stay put. I'd prefer it to Exum and Gordon. GoSixers on Jun 26 at 13:51 Reply +/- This should make Brian very happy A league source tells Bob Cooney of the Daily News (on Twitter) that the Sixers are in full court press mode with Cleveland to get the No. 1 pick. “They really, really, really want Wiggins,” the source said. Brian reply to GoSixers on Jun 26 at 13:53 Reply +/- Wish it was coming from a reporter with actual sources in the organization, though. GoSixers reply to Brian on Jun 26 at 13:55 Reply +/- I think it's probably coming from the Cavaliers anyway :) BTW - this just made me laugh - ANdre Iguodala - GM In an interview with SiriusXM, Warriors star Andre Iguodala said that he doesn’t believe teammate Klay Thompson should be traded as part of a deal for Minnesota’s Kevin Love, writes Diamond Leung of the Bay Area News Group. “That’s not going to happen,” Iguodala said. “I want to clear that up right now. We should not trade Klay Thompson. “I tell Klay this every day. I text Klay and say, ‘Don’t worry. I’m your man. I’m going to make sure you get paid. I’m going to get you the max (contract). You’ll be taken care of. Don’t stress.’” The Six on Jun 26 at 14:43 Reply +/- It's starting to feel like Hinkie won't be denied Wiggins. I trust the man, so if he feels Wiggins is that much better than everyone else...go get him. GoSixers reply to The Six on Jun 26 at 14:45 Reply +/- I trust him so far too but I als know the history (in many sports) of over loading assets to get one player, it's hardly ever played out well buke reply to GoSixers on Jun 26 at 15:52 Reply +/- I would also say that a deal offering multiple quality players and/or picks for one of the top draft picks should appeal more to a team like the Sixers than to a team like the Cavs. The Cavs have multiple high draft picks from recent drafts and don't have a problem with roster numbers. They seem to have about 8 sure returnees on their roster if Verejao is included. Verejao had another credible year last year and 40% of this final year salary is guaranteed anyway. Cleveland has the #33rd pick in addition to the first. Why wouldn't they just take who they believe is the best player for them at #1? Cleveland may likely take a shot at Lebron and they might have a chance. If that's the case, they probably wouldn't want Wiggins, but they can still take Parker and perhaps find a quality prospect with the #33 pick. That would give them 10 filled roster spaces. They have enough money to go after Lebron or maybe another quality free agent or two if they can't get him. sixerfan1220 reply to The Six on Jun 26 at 15:11 Reply +/- 3,10 and 32 is too much for me and for an organization that really doesnt leak, all the sixers really want Wiggins stuff seems odd to me buke reply to sixerfan1220 on Jun 26 at 15:30 Reply +/- Good point. I won't claim to understand Hinkie but he does seem to value secrecy and the ability to surprise. Dollar Bill reply to buke on Jun 26 at 17:02 Reply +/- 'Seem'??? Replace that with 'silently scream' for a tighter profile on the Egghead That Ate Philadelphia. 3, 10 & 32 for a Big 12 triple jumper with a dubious passion for the game's nuts & bolts [my read]? Nah, too much. Especially when the cupboard is nearly bare. Stock up for the coming winter and beyond, okie dokie, Sam? The WFC home tunnel would like an assortment of winners please. U D Xpert. The time to fetch is upon you. To the wary Wizard of Ozymandias, GM: may your pretensions and apprehensions and calculations and blufftations deliver talent to this fair city - now! Brian reply to Dollar Bill on Jun 26 at 17:16 Reply +/- Congrats on signing up. I was worried we'd lose you. Dollar Bill reply to Brian on Jun 26 at 17:23 Reply +/- Thanks, Brian. Applications run against my grain, but I worked through it. Brian reply to sixerfan1220 on Jun 26 at 15:32 Reply +/- I think it's where there's smoke there's fire. The info doesn't have to be (and most likely is not) coming from the Sixers organization. They have to be in discussions w/ other teams to move, that's probably where the info is coming from. Brian on Jun 26 at 15:37 Reply +/- I hope this Jeff Goodman from ESPN has shit sources. This is his final mock: 3 Julius Randle Philadelphia 76ers (19 - 63) COLLEGE: Kentucky HT: 6-9 WT: 234 POS: PF Sixers GM Sam Hinkie has the most difficult decision in the draft. Does he take an injured Embiid a year after taking Nerlens Noel? Does he roll the dice on Dante Exum, even though Michael Carter-Williams is a similar player? I'm hearing Julius Randle is in play for this pick -- if Philly keeps it. buke reply to Brian on Jun 26 at 15:58 Reply +/- Who did he say Philadelphia would take at 10? One would think that if Hinkie did take Randle at #3, he would surely trade Thad for a third 1st rounder, but I guess sports writers aren't comfortable projecting that far into the unknown. Brian reply to buke on Jun 26 at 16:00 Reply +/- Staus buke reply to Brian on Jun 26 at 16:12 Reply +/- Yes, if the Sixers don't make draft day trades and end up with Randle and Stauskas as the first rounders, this evening will be leave a sour taste to most unless they manage to obtain a Mark Price, Nick Van Excel, Jeff Hornacek, Michael Redd, Manu Ginobilli, Dennis Rodman, or Bill Laimbeer with #32. GoSixers on Jun 26 at 16:28 Reply +/- The asking price for the No. 1 pick is as high as picks Nos. 3, 10, and 32 from the Sixers, Tom Moore of the Courier Times tweets. If Philly stays at No. 3, meanwhile, Dante Exum will likely be their choice. Technically speaking, we are past the 1pm CT deadline where teams can officially trade picks, but the Cavs can draft someone for the Sixers or another club to complete a trade. Brian reply to GoSixers on Jun 26 at 16:31 Reply +/- So if they were to give up those picks, take Wiggins #1, then trade Thad for Nash and #7, that would be a great haul, imo. I'd include MCW in the Laker deal if Embiid, Smart or Randle were still available at #7. I say pull the trigger. GoSixers reply to Brian on Jun 26 at 16:44 Reply +/- I'm not a fan of Smart, just a personal thing, Randles reviews have been all over the place since this draft nonsense started so I'm not even sure what to think just yet. I still think if you're saving the lakers all that nash money - you shouldn't have to give them two players - no matter who is available Brian reply to GoSixers on Jun 26 at 16:48 Reply +/- "I still think if you're saving the lakers all that nash money - you shouldn't have to give them two players - no matter who is available" I completely agree with this, but I'd go to 2 players if it was one of those three I was getting in return...well, maybe no Randle. But I'd do it if Smart was my target because I'd never want to see MCW and Smart on the floor at the same time and Embiid is just so tantalizing. If it was Randle I might just offer Thad. Brian reply to Brian on Jun 26 at 16:49 Reply +/- My main point here is if you can turn #3, #10, #32 and Thad into the guy you've wanted from day one plus another of the top eight in the draft, that's a huge fucking win. GoSixers reply to Brian on Jun 26 at 16:53 Reply +/- Well if Smart was their target from day one (has there been anything to say such a thing, cause I'd be disappointed if it were true). Honestly of the three names you mention the only guy I like is Embiid to give up Thad and Mcw. And again, if they love Wiggins, go get him, I don't love Wiggins that much. What's weird is to compare Andrew Wiggins upside to a guy who hasn't even become a full player yet (George). Not saying that it's wrong or anything, but since Paul George probably isn't done reaching his 'upside' how can one say Wiggins upside is George unless it's George today, which i wouldn't do back flips over personally...his game still needs a lot of work Brian reply to GoSixers on Jun 26 at 16:56 Reply +/- I was saying Wiggins was their target from day one. And I never said his ceiling was George. GoSixers reply to Brian on Jun 26 at 16:58 Reply +/- Then why compare him to Paul George as you did earlier today? And you believe that before Embiid's foot injury they still preferred Wiggins? I hope not personally PS The Cavs are talking with the Kings, Celtics, and Sixers about the No. 1 pick but not the Wolves or Magic at this stage Brian reply to GoSixers on Jun 26 at 17:00 Reply +/- I responded to someone else comparing him to Paul George. I think it was Tray who said something like "Even if he was guaranteed to be Paul George, I wouldn't trade that much for him." GoSixers reply to Brian on Jun 26 at 17:03 Reply +/- My bad, misunderstood what I was reading. I just don't think that unless he's a guaranteed lock to be a top 10 player in the league (and he ain't since he's got huge holes) that any player would be worth two top 10 picks PLUS and getting in bidding war. Brian reply to GoSixers on Jun 26 at 17:08 Reply +/- No one but Lebron has been a lock to reach that level before he was drafted. Wiggins has the best chance in this draft, and probably the last four of reaching that level. buke reply to Brian on Jun 26 at 17:01 Reply +/- If the Sixers gave them both Thad and MCW, the Sixers should at least get either Kendall Marshall or Jordan Hill if they can somehow arrange for a sign and trade of Hill after July 1. Brian reply to buke on Jun 26 at 17:04 Reply +/- I'd be fine w/ that, but wouldn't walk away from the deal if it was the sticking point. Doubt either one of those guys would figure into the future of the team. buke reply to Brian on Jun 26 at 16:56 Reply +/- That would also be a good outcome if one wanted to force Hinkie's hands to sign players after July 1st. I'm assuming the team will waive Richardson and Moultrie, maybe resign Sims, and possibly keep Mullens because he has a cheap player option. That would leave them with the following: Wiggins #7 pick ( probably Smart if MCW traded) maybe one of the remaining second rounders Nash Noel Wroten Sims Mullens Despite the potential, that's a roster with some holes. If Nash isn't on the active roster (probable), they would have to sign at least 5 players depending upon what they decide to do with some team options. Luckily the free agent market seems fairly stocked with power forwards and point guard this year. Brian reply to buke on Jun 26 at 16:59 Reply +/- Yeah, there would be work to do to put something on the floor this season. Long term, the team would look like this: Wiggins Noel #7 Boatloads of cap space. To me, that's a better place than: Exum MCW Noel Gordon GoSixers reply to Brian on Jun 26 at 17:01 Reply +/- Don't they have boatloads of cap space coming up any time soon in either scenario? They don't have any need for 'boatloads' of capspace this off season unless Lebron says 'hey i'll come play with you'. Brian reply to GoSixers on Jun 26 at 17:03 Reply +/- Yes, they'll have cap space either way. They might even be able to use it to get a star if they've grown one of their own. GoSixers reply to Brian on Jun 26 at 17:08 Reply +/- This off season they won't have a 'grown' star then...so having boatloads of cap space this off season don't mean much :) Kevin Durant is an unrestricted free agent in 2016...coincidentally when Thaddeus Young expires, and every player who has a contract past that year (currently on the roster) is on a team option. To me that's a realistic target year and player, I could see Durant coming here if he felt he could win here. And that gives young guy two more seasons to develop... So - no rush to add cap space- and no rush to sign anyone long term this off season unless you think they can help you recruit and win with Durant buke reply to Brian on Jun 26 at 17:18 Reply +/- I'm beginning to warm up to your vision especially since the free agent market has multiple decent power forward and point guard options and I don't want Exum or Gordon and I have no problem seeing MCW go elsewhere. The big obstacle in my mind though is that I'm not sure why getting those extra things would be worth so much to Cleveland unless they really, really wanted Embiid but wanted some consolation for having to wait for him. Brian on Jun 26 at 16:50 Reply +/- Saw Chad Ford say if Cleveland picks Jabari #1, it probably means they traded it to Orlando (which doesn't seem as likely now). If they take Wiggins it means they're keeping the pick, or they've got a deal with the Sixers. If they take Wiggins and we take Embiid, I bet there's a trade in place. Stan reply to Brian on Jun 26 at 17:39 Reply +/- I really don't like Julius Randle. I've gone out of my way to watch a lot of Kentucky games last season and I just couldn't get myself to like him. He's physically limited, his shots look unnatural, and he seems like a guy that will have 5 or 10 good games when everything comes together. I wouldn't make the MCW, Thad for #7 trade if he was the best player available. If my team's medical staff said there was a good chance that Embiid would be fully healthy in 1 or 2 years, I would take him #3. I don't mind waiting buke reply to Stan on Jun 26 at 17:52 Reply +/- He was good when it mattered: in the NCAA tournament. GoSixers on Jun 26 at 17:17 Reply +/- What's everyone's odds for the following things tonight 1. Sixers trade Up to #1 2. Sixers get #7 without giving up 3 or 10 3. Sixers move down 4. Sixers get a late first round pick with their 5 second round picks. 5. Sixers pick 3 or more players in the second round 6. Kevin Love gets trade Brian reply to GoSixers on Jun 26 at 17:23 Reply +/- Good questions: 1) I'm thinking 30% chance they move up to #1. 2) If they get it, they won't give up a pick. 40% chance they get #7 w/out giving up a pick. 3) 10% they move down from #3. 4) 25% they package 2nd rounders for a late first. 5) 75% chance they take 3 or more 2nd round players. 100% chance they draft and then trade at least one in the 2nd round. 6) 50% chance Love gets traded tonight, or at least it's announced tonight. 100% chance Hinkie makes at least one move that seems (and probably is) completely pointless. GoSixers reply to Brian on Jun 26 at 17:27 Reply +/- Bitter, so very bitter, and just a year ago you were very excited by Mr Hinkie :) (if i could shake my head sadly with an image or something i would do so ;) ) I don't think #1 or #2 happen, I say there's a 45% chance they moved down, from 10, 50% chance they package 2nd rounders for a later first, 50% chance they draft 3 second rounders (95% chance two of them are stash players) No ideas on love, it seems like if the warriors include Thompson it's done, and they're split over there...and of course ANdre Iguodala says no Brian reply to GoSixers on Jun 26 at 17:29 Reply +/- I'd do it if I were them. Thompson is good, but Love is more disruptive as a running mate for Curry. If they could get a slasher at the two, they'd be really hard to defend. Dollar Bill reply to GoSixers on Jun 26 at 17:45 Reply +/- 1. 3 to 1 2. 5 to 1 3. zero 4. 1 to 1000 5. 1 to 5 6. 2 to 1 buke reply to GoSixers on Jun 26 at 17:51 Reply +/- Good questions, GoSixers! 1) I'd say definitely below equally likely: maybe 20%. For this to work, Cleveland would have to strongly prefer Embiid over the other two and do this just to get additional compensation for having to wait a year for him. I also don't know whether the Sixers have what it takes to interest Cleveland. For example, Utah's reported proposal looked better to me that what the Sixers can offer. 2) Maybe equally likely: 50%. Lakers haven't shown a great deal of interest in building through the draft most years. If they could get Thad and MCW, they might pull the trigger. They really do need numbers on their roster. 3) Not likely: 10% or less. I don't see much motivation for that. 4) Low: 20% or less. If #32 is gone in another deal there would seem to be no chance of pulling this off. 5) Picking is high; keeping is virtually 0%. 6) 50% or better. Love looks like a lame duck and the longer the Wolves wait the more desperate they will become. Brian reply to buke on Jun 26 at 17:53 Reply +/- I also don't know whether the Sixers have what it takes to interest Cleveland. For example, Utah's reported proposal looked better to me that what the Sixers can offer. It's simple to trump this, take Embiid at #3, then Utah's offer loses most of its value. The #5 turns into Vonleh rather than Embiid. Brian on Jun 26 at 17:19 Reply +/- Well, I think I like Exum's suit better than Wiggins'. GoSixers reply to Brian on Jun 26 at 17:59 Reply +/- Someone on ESPN LA radio just said it looks like a cat vomited on his jacket Dollar Bill on Jun 26 at 17:33 Reply +/- When in doubt, pick the better foul shooter. If I'm picking, Gordon is out of on that fundamental account. Free throws matter, accrueitively. Brian on Jun 26 at 17:36 Reply +/- Is Staus Canadian too? Wiggins and Stuas would've been perfect if only Embiid's foot had held up for another week. GoSixers reply to Brian on Jun 26 at 17:39 Reply +/- Yeah, from ontario, and he'll be 21 in october Brian on Jun 26 at 17:41 Reply +/- I wonder what Steve Toll will be doing tonight. Probably screaming at his dog or something. GoSixers reply to Brian on Jun 26 at 17:53 Reply +/- There's only one thing that makes my girlfriend want to commit violence against people - it's cruelty to animals Dollar Bill reply to GoSixers on Jun 26 at 17:56 Reply +/- Not a Vick fan, huh? GoSixers reply to Dollar Bill on Jun 26 at 17:59 Reply +/- not as a human being or a football player, ever Dollar Bill reply to GoSixers on Jun 26 at 18:15 Reply +/- I'm glad '7' is a Jet, losers since Richard Todd and Wesley Walker and Joe Klecko. sixerfan1220 on Jun 26 at 17:54 Reply +/- @WojYahooNBA Barring an 11th hour offer, Cleveland plans to keep No. 1 pick and choose between Andrew Wiggins and Jabari Parker, source tells Yahoo. Dollar Bill reply to sixerfan1220 on Jun 26 at 18:02 Reply +/- Is the choice that tenuous? Is the organization that bad? I'd hope they'd know by this hour. GoSixers reply to Dollar Bill on Jun 26 at 18:05 Reply +/- Various reports are that they're split again, like they were last year, owner wants Wiggins, rest of front office wants Parker. The owner probably has his stupid playoff mandate again, front office drafting for job, so they want to take the guy nba ready, owner can't fire himself so he can push the less ready higher upside guy cause missing the playoffs doesn't cost him his job. Owner was the guy who pushed Bennett last year reportedly. It's a poorly run organization yes, think Dallas Cowboys...with less money and class Tray reply to GoSixers on Jun 26 at 18:17 Reply +/- Maybe Gilbert's support of Wiggins means he doesn't have a mandate this year, after seeing how that worked out last year. GoSixers reply to Tray on Jun 26 at 18:19 Reply +/- Or maybe his support of Wiggins is an indication he can't fire himself. Tray reply to GoSixers on Jun 26 at 18:26 Reply +/- Well I'm sure he's been told that Wiggins will not advance their playoff hopes much next season, and that Parker really would. GoSixers reply to Tray on Jun 26 at 18:20 Reply +/- Brian Is it safe to assume you think Kevin Pelton isn't really that good at analysis? GoSixers reply to GoSixers on Jun 26 at 18:22 Reply +/- Not supposed to be posted as a response to Tray Tray reply to GoSixers on Jun 26 at 18:28 Reply +/- On that subject, the stats people at canis hoopius have written that the players who tend to overperform their statistical projections from college numbers are the big-time athletes. DeRozan, for instance, has become a pretty decent NBA player after putting up really lackluster numbers at USC. That's the example I remember, anyway. The Six on Jun 26 at 18:00 Reply +/- Dei Lynam is reporting that the sixers have indeed offered 3,10, and 32. Dollar Bill on Jun 26 at 18:08 Reply +/- Can't have a news delivery without 'indeed' in it these days. Has grown like a fungus. It's an important word. :) GoSixers reply to Dollar Bill on Jun 26 at 18:14 Reply +/- Indeed, the sixers will draft Embiid Dollar Bill reply to GoSixers on Jun 26 at 18:19 Reply +/- Nice rhyme, strong content - A+. Dollar Bill on Jun 26 at 18:22 Reply +/- Enjoy the fireworks, fellas! sixerfan1220 on Jun 26 at 18:23 Reply +/- starting to think they take embiid over exum but what do i know? Tray on Jun 26 at 18:25 Reply +/- So as it looks like we're not trading up, my pre-draft thoughts on the options at 3: If we draft Embiid, it probably means his medical reports aren't so bad. Hinkie knows more than we do about Embiid's health, so I don't see how we can object if he goes that way. Virtually every scout out there sees Embiid as the most talented prospect in the draft by a long shot. If his long-term prognosis is good, as picking him at 3 would suggest, getting him would be a massive success. If we draft Exum, I'd be pretty happy. Again, the Sixers know a lot more about him than we do; they've seen him work out, while we've just seen game tape from a year ago, they've seen all his Australian games on film, Brett Brown's coached him. He seems to have about as much talent as any of the big-name combo guards who've gone high in recent years. None of them were great shooters at 18 either, and who knows what his jump shot looks like right now after 12 months of training? I also find the superlative results in psych testing really encouraging. He seems to be an extremely confident, but not at all arrogant player who other guys like to play with. Vonleh would be a major disappointment; to me he only projects as an above-average starter at one of the more stacked positions in the league. Maybe he can be the third best player on a contender, but by himself he's not going to advance the rebuild very far. And unlike the other two, we know about as much about Vonleh as the Sixers do, so if they pick him it's harder to just bow to their superior knowledge. sixerfan1220 on Jun 26 at 18:27 Reply +/- i dont think the new comment thing is working it keeps saying 0 new comments when i know there is at least 1 new comment GoSixers reply to sixerfan1220 on Jun 26 at 18:28 Reply +/- It hasn't work on my mac with firefox basically since implementation :) Tray reply to sixerfan1220 on Jun 26 at 18:30 Reply +/- Works real well on my phone but never on the computer. sixerfan1220 reply to sixerfan1220 on Jun 26 at 18:33 Reply +/- its always worked on my laptop havent noticed til now when it stopped The Six on Jun 26 at 18:40 Reply +/- If CLE is still on the fence about who they'll pick (as reported), yet turned down 3,10, and 32, they really are a mess. Tray reply to The Six on Jun 26 at 18:46 Reply +/- Not at all. What if they strongly believe that this is a 2-player draft, even as they disagree on who's #1? There are also reports we wouldn't give them that. The Six reply to Tray on Jun 26 at 18:51 Reply +/- This is Cleveland we're talking about. Tray reply to The Six on Jun 26 at 18:56 Reply +/- I don't know. Their behavior seems to be consistent with 3 reasonable views: Exum is an unknown, Embiid's too risky, Wiggins and Parker have very different strengths and weaknesses and are about on par with each other. Tray reply to Tray on Jun 26 at 18:58 Reply +/- Oh, and a fourth reasonable view: no one at 10 is adequate value for the dropoff from Wiggins/Parker to unknown/health risk. Which I totally buy if you buy 1-3. sixerfan1220 on Jun 26 at 18:59 Reply +/- dx has vonleh falling to 10 The Six reply to sixerfan1220 on Jun 26 at 19:05 Reply +/- For has the Sixers with Embiid and Vonleh in his latest mock. Tray reply to The Six on Jun 26 at 19:17 Reply +/- Woj reports that Vonleh is falling and will go no earlier than 7. GoSixers on Jun 26 at 19:04 Reply +/- I think someone needs to come up with a sort of technology that allows you to mute specific voices on the tv, I'd like to hear Silver make the announcements - but Bilas, Rose, Simmons - that's a guaranteed ear bleeding night. GoSixers on Jun 26 at 19:08 Reply +/- So - last licks folks - who are the sixers picking at #3. I think it's Embiid, I think the agent holding on to the medical records only to the sixers is a positive sign regarding those bone density issues (just a gut feeling I had driving home.) If not Embiid, I say Exum and I bet the sixers know more about him than any other team in the league. Reports are that A. Cleveland knows finally who they are going to pick B. Not sure if they are keeping it yet though (supposedly the GM sent a text to Andy Katz) The Six reply to GoSixers on Jun 26 at 19:09 Reply +/- Embiid or Exum. I'm good with either. sixerfan1220 reply to GoSixers on Jun 26 at 19:10 Reply +/- embiid GoSixers on Jun 26 at 19:12 Reply +/- Jay Bilas on Jabari Parker "He's not an alert or willing defender right now". If Jay Bilas is down on a duke players performance, he must SUCK at it eddies' heady's on Jun 26 at 19:18 Reply +/- Please, please Parker at #3 (if not, Wiggins is a fine consolation) Stauskas at #10 (I want this guy on the Sixers really, really bad. McDermott would be fine here too.) Sleepers who I'd like to see us get but just not sure where they should be taken - TJ Warren and Markel Brown Shabazz Napier and Jarnell Stokes DeAndre Daniels and DeAndre Kane and PJ Hairston Tray on Jun 26 at 19:18 Reply +/- Wiggins sounds dumb. "Can't be concerned about other people's guhhhlsandeshpectations." The Six reply to Tray on Jun 26 at 19:19 Reply +/- And Parker sounds like a 10 year vet wise with experience. GoSixers reply to The Six on Jun 26 at 19:21 Reply +/- Well he did academically qualify to go to Duke right? Tray reply to GoSixers on Jun 26 at 19:24 Reply +/- So did Kyrie. We're not like Princeton, as far as I know you just have to meet the NCAA minimums. GoSixers reply to Tray on Jun 26 at 19:26 Reply +/- Sense of humor obviously not required GoSixers reply to Tray on Jun 26 at 19:19 Reply +/- Well I mean English isn't his first language, it's Canadian The Six reply to GoSixers on Jun 26 at 19:21 Reply +/- I would have loved to hear Wiggins talk in hockey-speak: "oh ya know...uh....the boys are all ready". Tray on Jun 26 at 19:19 Reply +/- A reporter with Canada's Sportsnet, Michael Grange, recently tweeted that: League sources: Philly making a big push -- picks 3,10, 32 & NEXT yrs 1st & Thad Young for Cleveland for No. 1 and Wiggins. Can't be true. sixerfan1220 reply to Tray on Jun 26 at 19:24 Reply +/- it isnt the cavs will make up anything GoSixers on Jun 26 at 19:22 Reply +/- Reese doing the job of making sure Jonny Manziel is talked about on ESPN as much as possible - well done Reese - you'll get your bonus cookie eddies' heady's on Jun 26 at 19:24 Reply +/- Anyone know why BJ Armstrong looked like he was sitting at Jabari's table? Is he working for an agent or something? Marcus reply to eddies' heady's on Jun 26 at 19:25 Reply +/- Yes bj Armstrong is an agent GoSixers reply to eddies' heady's on Jun 26 at 19:26 Reply +/- He is an agent http://hoopshype.com/agents/bj_armstrong.htm Marcus reply to eddies' heady's on Jun 26 at 19:27 Reply +/- Yes bj Armstrong is a agent sixerfan1220 on Jun 26 at 19:27 Reply +/- dont get attached to anyone they draft tonight cause there is a decent chance some of them are traded(especially the 2nd rounders) GoSixers on Jun 26 at 19:27 Reply +/- So - Will the cavs burn the whole 5 minutes or just make the pick early? I say they build the drama sixerfan1220 reply to GoSixers on Jun 26 at 19:30 Reply +/- they will take the whole 5 minutes encase they get a last second offer Tray on Jun 26 at 19:29 Reply +/- MCW's in attendance. Brian reply to Tray on Jun 26 at 19:32 Reply +/- I hope he's wearing another team's hat at some point tonight. Brian on Jun 26 at 19:30 Reply +/- OK, all those losses were for the next 15 minutes. Do what you have to do. If Wiggins goes #1 and Embiid goes to us, they pulled the trigger on a deal. That's my take. GoSixers reply to Brian on Jun 26 at 19:31 Reply +/- My take will be that the sixers took advantage of an injury that will heal and drafted who they felt was the best prospect in the draft. Kind of like last year :) GoSixers on Jun 26 at 19:32 Reply +/- Kudos to ESPN for not picking some idiotic trendy and possibly inappropriate pop song Tray on Jun 26 at 19:33 Reply +/- All of a sudden everyone seems to agree that the draft order will be Wiggins, Parker, Embiid, Exum. Brian reply to Tray on Jun 26 at 19:33 Reply +/- That works for me...either way. GoSixers on Jun 26 at 19:33 Reply +/- Hey Look it's lex luthor junior oh wait that's Adam Silver giving a rather boring speech Brian on Jun 26 at 19:36 Reply +/- Come on, come on, come on!!! GoSixers reply to Brian on Jun 26 at 19:38 Reply +/- Don't make me pull this car over Brian on Jun 26 at 19:38 Reply +/- Twitter says they're taking Wiggins. GoSixers on Jun 26 at 19:39 Reply +/- I think if it was going to be traded it would have leaked before time ran out Brian reply to GoSixers on Jun 26 at 19:40 Reply +/- I don't think so. The Nerlens trade wasn't announced at the time. Brian on Jun 26 at 19:39 Reply +/- Jalen is a fucking idiot. GoSixers reply to Brian on Jun 26 at 19:40 Reply +/- And this is a tough crowd to stand out in too Tray on Jun 26 at 19:39 Reply +/- This panel of commentators is just really dismal. eddies' heady's reply to Tray on Jun 26 at 19:40 Reply +/- +1 Simmons is ugh GoSixers reply to eddies' heady's on Jun 26 at 19:41 Reply +/- The whole table is terrible Tray reply to GoSixers on Jun 26 at 19:42 Reply +/- Yes. Bilas thinks Randle is a better prospect than Exum. Brian reply to Tray on Jun 26 at 19:43 Reply +/- He has vonleh at #3 on his board. Exum is all hype. GoSixers reply to Tray on Jun 26 at 19:44 Reply +/- Well Randle played in the SEC and Exum didn't play in the US in college - so obviously. Bilas biases are not as bad as Vitales - but they are pretty obvious Tray reply to GoSixers on Jun 26 at 19:48 Reply +/- Bilas's equation for rating prospects is, like, America * wingspan + POINTZ Tray on Jun 26 at 19:40 Reply +/- Woj tweets it's Wiggins and Parker, 1 and 2. Brian on Jun 26 at 19:41 Reply +/- Aaaaaaaaaand........................................... with the first pick in the 2014 NBA the cleveland cavaliers select Andrew Wiggins. GoSixers reply to Brian on Jun 26 at 19:42 Reply +/- Let the hate twits about his jacket begin Brian on Jun 26 at 19:42 Reply +/- Please don't get comfortable in that hat. Tray reply to Brian on Jun 26 at 19:43 Reply +/- Chad Ford just tweeted that Cleveland will not trade the pick. I guess in your eyes this makes Gilbert a really smart amateur GM. Supposedly the front office wanted Parker. sixerfan1220 on Jun 26 at 19:43 Reply +/- ford says they arent trading wiggins Brian reply to sixerfan1220 on Jun 26 at 19:44 Reply +/- fuck Ford. keep it to yourself. That's a smokescreen because they want Embiid to drop to 5 so they can trade w/ Utah. GoSixers on Jun 26 at 19:44 Reply +/- For some reason I never knew Patrick Ewing was foreign born Marcus on Jun 26 at 19:45 Reply +/- Wish we could have the 1 or 2 pick GoSixers on Jun 26 at 19:45 Reply +/- Even on Twitter Dan Gilbert comes off terrible Tray on Jun 26 at 19:46 Reply +/- So clearly Wiggins didn't get his inability to enunciate from his parents. GoSixers on Jun 26 at 19:47 Reply +/- NOW it gets interesting eddies' heady's on Jun 26 at 19:47 Reply +/- Shit Brian on Jun 26 at 19:47 Reply +/- Parker #2. Two man draft, on the outside looking in. Just so Hinkie could maximize Turner and Hawes' trade value. I'm turning it off if they take Exum here. GoSixers reply to Brian on Jun 26 at 19:49 Reply +/- You didn't like the carter-williams pick either did you? Brian reply to GoSixers on Jun 26 at 19:49 Reply +/- Nope. Thought he'd be a PG who can't shoot. I was so wrong. GoSixers reply to Brian on Jun 26 at 19:51 Reply +/- Sigh...at this point I hope the sixers take Exum Tray reply to Brian on Jun 26 at 19:49 Reply +/- It's a one-superstar draft. GoSixers reply to Tray on Jun 26 at 19:49 Reply +/- It's a zero superstar draft Tray reply to GoSixers on Jun 26 at 19:50 Reply +/- Come on, what does Embiid lack to be a superstar, besides health? Brian reply to Tray on Jun 26 at 19:51 Reply +/- Has a superstar ever played a college season w/out scoring 20 points in a game? Tray reply to Brian on Jun 26 at 19:52 Reply +/- I'm not sure, let's look at Olajuwon's freshman game log. Tray reply to Tray on Jun 26 at 19:54 Reply +/- Olajuwon averaged 8 a game his freshman season so it wouldn't be surprising. Brian reply to Tray on Jun 26 at 19:54 Reply +/- Did he break 20 once? Tray reply to Brian on Jun 26 at 19:57 Reply +/- I don't know where that info is. He had a better freshman season than Olajuwon did. Brian reply to Tray on Jun 26 at 19:58 Reply +/- Wasn't Hakeem playing w/ Sampson his freshman year? GoSixers reply to Brian on Jun 26 at 19:59 Reply +/- Wasn't Embiid playing with the presumptive #1 pick? Tray reply to Brian on Jun 26 at 20:00 Reply +/- Embiid averaged 19.4/14.5/4.5 blocks per 40 minutes and you're seriously criticizing his production? GoSixers reply to Tray on Jun 26 at 20:00 Reply +/- He didn't score 20 points in a game That's important you know Brian reply to Tray on Jun 26 at 20:01 Reply +/- I'm criticizing the fact that he couldn't stay on the floor for more than 25 minutes. Whatever, we've got him for the moment, better than Exum. Hope the trade happens in a minute or two, if not, I think Embiid has a bright future if he's healthy. buke reply to Brian on Jun 26 at 21:33 Reply +/- Wow you really don't know much about college basketball history, do you? NO!!! Ralph Sampson played at Virginia and Hakeem played at Houston. Hakeem did play with Clyde Drexler, Robert Williams, and Larry Micheaux though during his freshman year. Akeem was very raw as a redshirt freshman but he was still a difference maker when he came in. During the tournament national semis, North Carolina (with Worthy, Perkins, and a freshman Michael Jordan) got off to a 10-0 lead. Then Houston brought freshman Hakeem (Akeem in those days) and the game really changed. Houston was down by only 2 at half. Tray reply to buke on Jun 26 at 21:35 Reply +/- Well you know, Wiggins is the next Drexler. Brian reply to buke on Jun 26 at 21:37 Reply +/- Heh. I went to Virginia, too. GoSixers reply to Brian on Jun 26 at 19:54 Reply +/- And the pick is Joel Embiid GoSixers reply to Tray on Jun 26 at 19:52 Reply +/- I think if healthy he'll be the best player out of the draft...have a lot of superstars picked up the game later than Sam Dalembert did? Brian reply to Tray on Jun 26 at 19:50 Reply +/- If they don't trade for Wiggins, I hope he doesn't turn into a superstar. Marcus on Jun 26 at 19:47 Reply +/- Sixers should take embiid if the staff feels he can recover from his injuries. sixerfan1220 on Jun 26 at 19:48 Reply +/- now the fun begins eddies' heady's on Jun 26 at 19:48 Reply +/- Fuck MIL Brian on Jun 26 at 19:49 Reply +/- Still think if they take Embiid the trade is on. sixerfan1220 on Jun 26 at 19:50 Reply +/- woj doesnt even know who they are taking Tray reply to sixerfan1220 on Jun 26 at 19:51 Reply +/- Hinkie's too strong for Woj's psychic powers. Marcus on Jun 26 at 19:51 Reply +/- Lol ... sixers front office is like the mob lol Brian on Jun 26 at 19:54 Reply +/- Embiid! The trade could be on. He looks psyched. GoSixers on Jun 26 at 19:54 Reply +/- Embiid eddies' heady's on Jun 26 at 19:54 Reply +/- Is Embiid on a delay? or was he just that pissed off he got selected by us? heh GoSixers reply to eddies' heady's on Jun 26 at 19:56 Reply +/- Going with satellite delay Marcus on Jun 26 at 19:54 Reply +/- Doesn't look to happy GoSixers reply to Marcus on Jun 26 at 19:56 Reply +/- Or maybe it was on a delay - cause he seems happy now Brian on Jun 26 at 19:55 Reply +/- Embiid Noel ? Staus MCW for the first time in September 2015. Tray on Jun 26 at 19:56 Reply +/- This player comp feature is annoying. sixerfan1220 on Jun 26 at 19:56 Reply +/- brian, you will enjoy the magic's pick Brian reply to sixerfan1220 on Jun 26 at 19:57 Reply +/- Smart, Gordon or Exum? GoSixers reply to Brian on Jun 26 at 19:57 Reply +/- Not a point guard sixerfan1220 reply to Brian on Jun 26 at 19:58 Reply +/- gordon Brian on Jun 26 at 19:56 Reply +/- Silver's gonna announce the trade at like pick #6. It's been sent to the league, now they have to approve it. eddies' heady's on Jun 26 at 19:58 Reply +/- Middle of college season I commented that I liked him #1. But I started to sour on him with the back injury deal and the foot injury scares the hell out of me. See Walton and Yao. Not sure what to think or if he even stays with us. The Noel pick was analyzed for nearly half an hour about him playing along side Anthony Davis before it was announced he was traded for Jrue. GoSixers on Jun 26 at 19:58 Reply +/- Utah looks like the AUstralian outback - good pick Tray on Jun 26 at 19:58 Reply +/- Ford says the next two picks are Gordon and Exum. Brian on Jun 26 at 20:00 Reply +/- HAHAHAHA!!!!!! Good work. Enjoy sitting him the entire fourth quarter when the game is close. Junkyard Dog! Tray reply to Brian on Jun 26 at 20:01 Reply +/- Was JYD even a bigtime athlete? GoSixers reply to Tray on Jun 26 at 20:02 Reply +/- He was an awesome wrestler Brian reply to Tray on Jun 26 at 20:02 Reply +/- He was a spaz defender, which is what this guy is going to top out as. Tray reply to Brian on Jun 26 at 20:05 Reply +/- Gordon can supposedly pass and handle and mmmmaybe make a three. GoSixers on Jun 26 at 20:01 Reply +/- This pick just seems odd - I mean there are higher rated point guards - are they afraid of insulting the great and powerful Jameer? Tray reply to GoSixers on Jun 26 at 20:03 Reply +/- After all the talk they were either taking Smart or Exum. I think they'll regret this. Brian reply to Tray on Jun 26 at 20:05 Reply +/- or they'll just pick up one of the 25 good PGs in the league via trade or free agency. GoSixers reply to Brian on Jun 26 at 20:06 Reply +/- Yup - 25 good PG's in the league - which is why every team has a good starting point guard...like the Heat, or the Bucks... Brian reply to GoSixers on Jun 26 at 20:08 Reply +/- We can go through the list if you want, and then we can probably add 3 or 4 from this draft. 25 isn't an exaggeration. GoSixers reply to Brian on Jun 26 at 20:09 Reply +/- Sure, go ahead, knock yourself out Brian reply to GoSixers on Jun 26 at 20:14 Reply +/- in no particular order: 1. paul 2. rondo 3. wall 4. rose 5. westbrook 6. parker 7. lin 8. lawson 9. rubio 10. holiday 11. mcw 12. curry 13. lowry 14. calderon 15. deron 16. conley 17. dragic 18. bledsoe 19. lillard 20. teague 21. nash? plus 3-4 this year. You can win with just about any of those guys, and probably 15 of them will make your team better. Tray reply to Brian on Jun 26 at 20:16 Reply +/- Oh, you can win with MCW now? Brian reply to Tray on Jun 26 at 20:19 Reply +/- With shooters around him and someone else as the primary scoring option? Sure. He's going to be a good defensive PG, you just have to get the right pieces to go around him. Marcus reply to Brian on Jun 26 at 20:16 Reply +/- Take out lin & Nash at this point in his career and that's a hell of a list Brian on Jun 26 at 20:04 Reply +/- For the record, I'm happy with this pick whether the trade for Wiggins happens or not. They took a shot at a guy with superstar potential, rather than taking the shiny Australian object and settling. GoSixers reply to Brian on Jun 26 at 20:05 Reply +/- I would have been happy if they picked the 'shiny australian' Brian reply to GoSixers on Jun 26 at 20:06 Reply +/- brick city. GoSixers reply to Brian on Jun 26 at 20:08 Reply +/- Right, I forgot, your complete knowledge of all aspects of the game of a kid who ain't 19 yet...he'll never improve either probably Brian reply to GoSixers on Jun 26 at 20:10 Reply +/- Well, the great Hinkie passed on him, right? Even w/ Mr. Australia as his coach. No one knew more about him than the Sixers, and they took the guy w/ the broken foot. Tray reply to Brian on Jun 26 at 20:11 Reply +/- Yeah, we took the best big-man prospect in 7 years, and our team reportedly thinks the foot is a non-issue. So that's proof we don't think much of Exum. GoSixers reply to Brian on Jun 26 at 20:12 Reply +/- The guy with the broken foot was the #1 prospect in the draft until his broken foot, and they probably feel his foot will heel 100% and they got lucky to be able to pick him like they were lucky to pick Noel last year, due to injury. This is more pointless than your 'he didn't score 20' assertion - I know you're not behaving like this just as an 'act', I just wish you were...this keeps up, it won't be a fun place to read any more Brian reply to GoSixers on Jun 26 at 20:17 Reply +/- Why does anyone care if I think Exum is all hype based on the fact that he didn't play against anyone so his warts weren't exposed? Why is that more outrageous than Tray saying "Exum is going to be one of the quickest PGs in the league." with nothing, at all, to back that up? Anyway, it doesn't matter. I hope he does well in Utah, I'm glad we didn't waste the pick on him. Tray reply to Brian on Jun 26 at 20:19 Reply +/- Exum's really quick, what's outrageous about that? He's quick on tape, the scouts say he's quick, he won the combine speed drills. Brian reply to Tray on Jun 26 at 20:20 Reply +/- If by "one of the quickest" you meant he was about 22nd among PGs in the league in the agility drill at the combine, then technically, you're right. sixerfan1220 on Jun 26 at 20:05 Reply +/- @JakePavorsky Sixers apparently found no red flags with Embiid's medical records. Feel the foot is a non-issue. Tray reply to sixerfan1220 on Jun 26 at 20:07 Reply +/- A non-issue? Wow. sixerfan1220 reply to Tray on Jun 26 at 20:09 Reply +/- i guess they think that this surgery will fix it GoSixers reply to sixerfan1220 on Jun 26 at 20:10 Reply +/- The injury itself didn't concern me (and comparisons to other big men who had chronic injuries in other areas or in other ways were just lazy comparisons), it was the rumors of the bone density issues that worried me, and I figured if they saw no long term problems looming, they'd pick him...another opportunity based on too many folk thinking short term GoSixers on Jun 26 at 20:06 Reply +/- Come on Vonleh - you can slip - right? Brian on Jun 26 at 20:07 Reply +/- Enjoy the lack of floor spacing, Utah. Tray on Jun 26 at 20:10 Reply +/- Smart at 6, Woj says. sixerfan1220 on Jun 26 at 20:11 Reply +/- randle 7 says ford Marcus on Jun 26 at 20:12 Reply +/- Sixers thought Bynum was going to suit up & that didn't happen. I'm going to be positive though I believe embiid will workout for the best. GoSixers reply to Marcus on Jun 26 at 20:14 Reply +/- Knees are much different than feet - don't start making comparisons that aren't real. Marcus reply to GoSixers on Jun 26 at 20:18 Reply +/- Regardless the staff thought Bynum was going to play & he didn't that was the point I was making GoSixers reply to Marcus on Jun 26 at 20:20 Reply +/- I don't think they were 100% - they thought there was a shot - knees are a pain in the ass - i've had bad knees my whole life. Plus - it was an entirely different staff :) I'm not even thinking about Bynum in this thing at all Marcus reply to GoSixers on Jun 26 at 20:22 Reply +/- Didn't realize it was a new staff my bad. Tray on Jun 26 at 20:13 Reply +/- Sacramento will take Payton or Stauskas. What do they have against Isaiah Thomas? GoSixers reply to Tray on Jun 26 at 20:15 Reply +/- he's now saying stauskas at 8 But he doesn't have 7 yet (vonleh?) sixerfan1220 reply to GoSixers on Jun 26 at 20:16 Reply +/- randle is going 7th Brian reply to Tray on Jun 26 at 20:15 Reply +/- I forgot Isiah above. You can add him to the list. GoSixers reply to Brian on Jun 26 at 20:18 Reply +/- Which is why sacramento can't wait to not sign him GoSixers on Jun 26 at 20:14 Reply +/- Who punches who first, Rondo or Smart? Woj says Sacto is choosing between Payton and Stauskas. Is Vonleh really going to be at 10? That seems unlikely doesn't it? Tray reply to GoSixers on Jun 26 at 20:15 Reply +/- I think it's happening. Jordan will take McDermott. sixerfan1220 on Jun 26 at 20:15 Reply +/- Stauskas 8th eddies' heady's on Jun 26 at 20:16 Reply +/- Please don't let SAC take Stauskas. Please. Tray reply to eddies' heady's on Jun 26 at 20:17 Reply +/- All your favorite players going off the board : ( GoSixers reply to eddies' heady's on Jun 26 at 20:18 Reply +/- Already done Tray on Jun 26 at 20:20 Reply +/- Embiid tweets: Hello Philly!!!! This is my real "Just got drafted" face. Couldnt be happier to be a 76er!!! pic.twitter.com/asA5nGBRUD Tray on Jun 26 at 20:21 Reply +/- So I'm not clear on how Embiid, Noel and Vonleh play together. Brian reply to Tray on Jun 26 at 20:22 Reply +/- They'd be friggin giants. They should get a big shooting guard and do nothing but post people up all game. das411 reply to Brian on Jun 26 at 20:27 Reply +/- Isn't there a former #2 overall who might be available? GoSixers reply to Tray on Jun 26 at 20:24 Reply +/- Nerlens Noel - sixth man of the year Brian on Jun 26 at 20:21 Reply +/- No trades announced yet. It was around pick #9 when the Noel trade was announced last year, right? GoSixers reply to Brian on Jun 26 at 20:23 Reply +/- No trades have been announced since the draft started GoSixers on Jun 26 at 20:21 Reply +/- So is vonleh a steal at 10? sixerfan1220 reply to GoSixers on Jun 26 at 20:23 Reply +/- yes i think eddies' heady's on Jun 26 at 20:23 Reply +/- Fuck, I hope they trade Nik to us. Man.... Brian on Jun 26 at 20:23 Reply +/- Vonleh or McDermott. sixerfan1220 on Jun 26 at 20:24 Reply +/- kinda want to trade down GoSixers reply to sixerfan1220 on Jun 26 at 20:26 Reply +/- You'd pass on Vonleh? Tray reply to GoSixers on Jun 26 at 20:29 Reply +/- Yes. GoSixers on Jun 26 at 20:24 Reply +/- I saw that the Hornets were picking 9th and I was confused for a minute eddies' heady's on Jun 26 at 20:25 Reply +/- Don't really want Vonleh, he just seemed such a plodder ala Turner. Maybe he'll pan out though. Tray on Jun 26 at 20:25 Reply +/- Bilas says Stauskas isn't just a shooter over highlights that make him look like he's just a shooter. Brian on Jun 26 at 20:25 Reply +/- They've taken Mclemore, Jimmer and now Stauskus. Think they got it right this time. So if Vonleh goes here, do we take McDermott? GoSixers reply to Brian on Jun 26 at 20:27 Reply +/- I hope not eddies' heady's reply to Brian on Jun 26 at 20:28 Reply +/- Can't see CHA taking Vonleh after just taking Cody Zeller. GoSixers reply to eddies' heady's on Jun 26 at 20:28 Reply +/- Except that they did Tray reply to Brian on Jun 26 at 20:28 Reply +/- Yeah... isn't Stauskas a much worse defender and athlete than McLemore, while only being a little better of a shooter? McLemore shot 42% his freshman season and made 73 threes. Marcus on Jun 26 at 20:26 Reply +/- I know it's just tape & I don't follow college basketball but McDermott looks like dirk on tape Brian reply to Marcus on Jun 26 at 20:27 Reply +/- I'd be happy with him. I'd just love to have one deadly shooter on the team. Just one. And hopefully he doesn't turn out to be Kapono eddies' heady's on Jun 26 at 20:27 Reply +/- Wonder if we've made a deal to send MCW to Sacramento and they picked Nik for us? GoSixers reply to eddies' heady's on Jun 26 at 20:28 Reply +/- Let it go dude, let it go... sixerfan1220 on Jun 26 at 20:28 Reply +/- ford says Vonleh going 9th GoSixers on Jun 26 at 20:29 Reply +/- TRADE!!!!!!!!!!! Brian on Jun 26 at 20:29 Reply +/- I think Vonleh at 10 is a really good value.... Jordan takes Vonleh. Nevermind. OK, so are we looking at McDermott? Please don't be Harris. sixerfan1220 on Jun 26 at 20:29 Reply +/- Vonleh gone, now i definitely trade back eddies' heady's on Jun 26 at 20:29 Reply +/- Wow Vonleh it is. McDermott!!! McDermott!!!! Pull the trigger Sam. Pull it Brian reply to eddies' heady's on Jun 26 at 20:30 Reply +/- I don't think there's any way he does, but I would. GoSixers reply to Brian on Jun 26 at 20:32 Reply +/- Unathletic white shooters are pretty plentiful Kyle Korver was picked at what, 50? Tray reply to GoSixers on Jun 26 at 20:33 Reply +/- Where Joe Harris will go. sixerfan1220 on Jun 26 at 20:31 Reply +/- taking saric would be really funny Tray on Jun 26 at 20:31 Reply +/- I think we'll trade down or take Saric. GoSixers reply to Tray on Jun 26 at 20:32 Reply +/- Totally forgot Saric - yes - take Saric Brian reply to GoSixers on Jun 26 at 20:33 Reply +/- If your hope to string together 3 or 4 straight years of less than 20 wins? Brian reply to Brian on Jun 26 at 20:34 Reply +/- if = is Tray reply to GoSixers on Jun 26 at 20:35 Reply +/- I see him as a poor man's Turkoglu, rich man's Diaw. Brian on Jun 26 at 20:32 Reply +/- Harris? Bleh. Trade back if that's what you're thinking. Trade back and take Lavine. GoSixers on Jun 26 at 20:34 Reply +/- Most trade options for #1 reported in the media were (surprisingly) totally inaccurate Brian on Jun 26 at 20:35 Reply +/- Take Lavine or McDermott. Tray on Jun 26 at 20:36 Reply +/- Yes, it's Saric. GoSixers reply to Tray on Jun 26 at 20:37 Reply +/- No it's not - the tweet said they looked hard at it - and passed Brian on Jun 26 at 20:36 Reply +/- Aaaaaaaaand.....Payton? Tray reply to Brian on Jun 26 at 20:37 Reply +/- Now THIS pick is being traded for someone. Right?? He's worse than MCW. GoSixers on Jun 26 at 20:36 Reply +/- Payton Huh eddies' heady's on Jun 26 at 20:36 Reply +/- So, is MCW traded already? Hmmmnnn sixerfan1220 on Jun 26 at 20:36 Reply +/- woah! trade? Brian on Jun 26 at 20:37 Reply +/- Awesome. They just got another PG who can't shoot! Tray reply to Brian on Jun 26 at 20:38 Reply +/- " Although he attempted just 3.2 jump shots in the half court per-game, the 4th least in this sample of players, he made a group low 25.7% of those attempts. His 18.2% conversion rate on catch and shoot jump shots obviously leaves a lot to be desired..." eddies' heady's on Jun 26 at 20:37 Reply +/- Or did they just make the pick for someone else? GoSixers on Jun 26 at 20:38 Reply +/- Just curious Do you all think players are unable to improve anything once they enter the NBA? Just because Evan Turner couldn't do it doesn't make it unlikely - for instance - Jrue Holiday and Thaddeus Young both became better shooters over time Tray reply to GoSixers on Jun 26 at 20:40 Reply +/- This is a junior with the following shooting stats: Although he attempted just 3.2 jump shots in the half court per-game, the 4th least in this sample of players, he made a group low 25.7% of those attempts. His 18.2% conversion rate on catch and shoot jump shots obviously leaves a lot to be desired... Brian reply to GoSixers on Jun 26 at 20:40 Reply +/- I think at some point it's better to not have to turn water into wine with every perimeter player you choose. GoSixers reply to Brian on Jun 26 at 20:42 Reply +/- McDermott going to Denver GoSixers reply to Brian on Jun 26 at 20:43 Reply +/- It seems your presumption on every picked not named Wiggins tonight is that they are all limited at something and won't ever get better. Brian reply to GoSixers on Jun 26 at 20:46 Reply +/- Actually, I think Embiid is going to improve dramatically. I think Lavine is really going to blossom. I like Stauskus, think he'll surprise a lot of people. Wouldn't be surprised at all if Smart becomes an All Star, despite the shot. What I'm not doing, however, is assuming that players will take terrible weaknesses and turn them into strengths. It doesn't happen all that often. And going from really good to great is much easier than going from terrible to above average. GoSixers reply to Brian on Jun 26 at 20:48 Reply +/- Well I agree with Embiid (and hence why even with all the footage and knowledge I didn't think them taking him third meant that they didn't like Exum) not sure about the rest... But guys can get better...plus - I don't think Hinkie plans to keep Payton around Charlie H reply to GoSixers on Jun 26 at 20:49 Reply +/- Havlicek, Gary Payton, Michael Cooper das411 on Jun 26 at 20:39 Reply +/- Hahahahaha everybody was wrong GoSixers on Jun 26 at 20:39 Reply +/- Sixers thinking you don't need shooting if you have great defense? sixerfan1220 on Jun 26 at 20:39 Reply +/- @WojYahooNBA: Elfrid Payton could be on the move, sources tell Yahoo Sports GoSixers on Jun 26 at 20:39 Reply +/- Elfrid Payton could be on the move, sources tell Yahoo Sports. Tray reply to GoSixers on Jun 26 at 20:42 Reply +/- Libertyballers tweets Payton could be moved with Thad. A nice package. But what are we moving it for? The Bulls have two first-rounders and Rose is supposedly healthy. The Suns have two picks and have two point guards. Brian reply to Tray on Jun 26 at 20:43 Reply +/- Randle? To LA? Seems like a steep price. eddies' heady's on Jun 26 at 20:40 Reply +/- They had to pick that guy for someone else? Wonder who the possibilities could be? GoSixers on Jun 26 at 20:40 Reply +/- I love how ESPN desk guys know nothing about the sixers "Future of the team". You are idiots Brian on Jun 26 at 20:42 Reply +/- Orlando? McDermott to Denver, huh? Above, I mean is Payton going to Orlando in a trade?