Following on that Orlando Denver Salary mismatch...
The Nuggets appear to be absorbing Afflalo into a trade exception, Zach Lowe of Grantland tweets. A quick glance at this summer’s outstanding trade exceptions would indicate that Denver is using the $9.868MM exception from the Andre Iguodala deal to take on Afflalo.
I think the value depends on the team that wants him. The lakers for instance might value experience more than the #7 pick since they will have cap room and screwed themselves with the Kobe extension
I think your dream scenario is a pipe dream. Maybe it could have happened last week back when Embiid was healthy and Randle was sliding. But right now I expect that if they want Wiggins it will take a kings ransom- like 3+10+32.
George is the "franchise player" on a team that got trounced by a team that got trounced in the Finals. I think that whether he's good enough to be the best player on a Finals winner is a very open question. When they were competitive against Miami the previous season, Hibbert was the best player in the series. Anyway, I only see something like a 30 to 40 percent chance that Wiggins will even be that good.
And if you had a choice between coming out of this draft with Paul George or two or three guys with about 0% chance of getting anywhere near that level you'd take the latter? That's idiotic.
Brian, your ideal draft: Wiggins, Randle, and Stauskas would be just great. I don't know how anyone could complain about it.
The difference between us is that I'm not convinced that Wiggins is "the lynchpin" and I wouldn't be inclined to give up a lot in the way of other opportunities for him. Perhaps I would if I had the same esthetic attachment to his possibilities that you seem to have, but I just don't. I would ask you to reflect back a bit to your feelings on resigning Bynum after the 2013 season when almost everyone else was saying "HELL NO!."
I'd be extremely pleased with your ideal draft, of course, but, if I could have anything I might want, I think I would like to see something a bit more radical from Hinkie: using this draft for the purposes of selecting a core of lottery cohorts. Here's something I wouldn't mind at all:
#3: Marcus Smart (if Wiggins isn't available);
#7 (through trade of Thad): Julius Randle
#10: Jusuf Nurkic (because what the NBA needs right now is a Slavic look-a-like of Bryant "Big Country" Reeves);
Rodney Hood might be a second choice; if we trade MCW and don't pick Smart, we might want to select Elfrid Payton here, but, as you've said, there are a fair number of competent free agent point guards available.
#12 (through trade of MCW to Orlando): Nick Stauskas (preferably) or Doug McDermott
according to zach lowe the protections on the pick in the asik deal are as follow: "The Pelicans will keep the pick next season only if it falls within the top three or after no. 20; the Rockets get it if it falls somewhere in between those spots, per sources close to the talks."
Is that the first time a pick has had top and bottom 'protections' on it?
BTW - there's a rumor that to get into the first round at 22, the raptors will be taking on Tayshaun Princes 7 million for next year (and giving away John Salmons and the 37th pick)
John Salmon's autobiography could have the same title as Rocky Graziano's: Somebody Up there Likes Me. Despite few people "down here" liking him for very long, he continues to be in the league at the age of 34 and, even if the Raptors waive him and his NBA career ends, will have earned about 57 million dollars over his time in the league.
Yep, for a long time there has clearly been a big drop off after #8. I was hoping that somehow one of those top 8 would slide, but that seems unlikely- especially after Saric signed his extension.
I actually thought that maybe Saric made it a 9 man draft, but it sounds like he has slid a bit since he will not be coming over for 2 years.
It would be funny if they ended up drafting Embiid and Saric. Young and MCW would blow a gasket.
A league source tells Bob Cooney of the Daily News (on Twitter) that the Sixers are in full court press mode with Cleveland to get the No. 1 pick. “They really, really, really want Wiggins,” the source said.
I think it's probably coming from the Cavaliers anyway :)
BTW - this just made me laugh - ANdre Iguodala - GM
In an interview with SiriusXM, Warriors star Andre Iguodala said that he doesn’t believe teammate Klay Thompson should be traded as part of a deal for Minnesota’s Kevin Love, writes Diamond Leung of the Bay Area News Group. “That’s not going to happen,” Iguodala said. “I want to clear that up right now. We should not trade Klay Thompson. “I tell Klay this every day. I text Klay and say, ‘Don’t worry. I’m your man. I’m going to make sure you get paid. I’m going to get you the max (contract). You’ll be taken care of. Don’t stress.’”
It's starting to feel like Hinkie won't be denied Wiggins. I trust the man, so if he feels Wiggins is that much better than everyone else...go get him.
I would also say that a deal offering multiple quality players and/or picks for one of the top draft picks should appeal more to a team like the Sixers than to a team like the Cavs. The Cavs have multiple high draft picks from recent drafts and don't have a problem with roster numbers. They seem to have about 8 sure returnees on their roster if Verejao is included. Verejao had another credible year last year and 40% of this final year salary is guaranteed anyway. Cleveland has the #33rd pick in addition to the first. Why wouldn't they just take who they believe is the best player for them at #1?
Cleveland may likely take a shot at Lebron and they might have a chance. If that's the case, they probably wouldn't want Wiggins, but they can still take Parker and perhaps find a quality prospect with the #33 pick. That would give them 10 filled roster spaces. They have enough money to go after Lebron or maybe another quality free agent or two if they can't get him.
'Seem'??? Replace that with 'silently scream' for a tighter profile on the Egghead That Ate Philadelphia.
3, 10 & 32 for a Big 12 triple jumper with a dubious passion for the game's nuts & bolts [my read]? Nah, too much. Especially when the cupboard is nearly bare.
Stock up for the coming winter and beyond, okie dokie, Sam? The WFC home tunnel would like an assortment of winners please. U D Xpert. The time to fetch is upon you. To the wary Wizard of Ozymandias, GM: may your pretensions and apprehensions and calculations and blufftations deliver talent to this fair city - now!
I think it's where there's smoke there's fire. The info doesn't have to be (and most likely is not) coming from the Sixers organization. They have to be in discussions w/ other teams to move, that's probably where the info is coming from.
I hope this Jeff Goodman from ESPN has shit sources. This is his final mock:
3
Julius Randle
Philadelphia 76ers (19 - 63)
COLLEGE: Kentucky
HT: 6-9
WT: 234
POS: PF
Sixers GM Sam Hinkie has the most difficult decision in the draft. Does he take an injured Embiid a year after taking Nerlens Noel? Does he roll the dice on Dante Exum, even though Michael Carter-Williams is a similar player? I'm hearing Julius Randle is in play for this pick -- if Philly keeps it.
One would think that if Hinkie did take Randle at #3, he would surely trade Thad for a third 1st rounder, but I guess sports writers aren't comfortable projecting that far into the unknown.
Yes, if the Sixers don't make draft day trades and end up with Randle and Stauskas as the first rounders, this evening will be leave a sour taste to most unless they manage to obtain a Mark Price, Nick Van Excel, Jeff Hornacek, Michael Redd, Manu Ginobilli, Dennis Rodman, or Bill Laimbeer with #32.
The asking price for the No. 1 pick is as high as picks Nos. 3, 10, and 32 from the Sixers, Tom Moore of the Courier Times tweets. If Philly stays at No. 3, meanwhile, Dante Exum will likely be their choice.
Technically speaking, we are past the 1pm CT deadline where teams can officially trade picks, but the Cavs can draft someone for the Sixers or another club to complete a trade.
So if they were to give up those picks, take Wiggins #1, then trade Thad for Nash and #7, that would be a great haul, imo. I'd include MCW in the Laker deal if Embiid, Smart or Randle were still available at #7. I say pull the trigger.
I'm not a fan of Smart, just a personal thing, Randles reviews have been all over the place since this draft nonsense started so I'm not even sure what to think just yet.
I still think if you're saving the lakers all that nash money - you shouldn't have to give them two players - no matter who is available
"I still think if you're saving the lakers all that nash money - you shouldn't have to give them two players - no matter who is available"
I completely agree with this, but I'd go to 2 players if it was one of those three I was getting in return...well, maybe no Randle. But I'd do it if Smart was my target because I'd never want to see MCW and Smart on the floor at the same time and Embiid is just so tantalizing. If it was Randle I might just offer Thad.
My main point here is if you can turn #3, #10, #32 and Thad into the guy you've wanted from day one plus another of the top eight in the draft, that's a huge fucking win.
Well if Smart was their target from day one (has there been anything to say such a thing, cause I'd be disappointed if it were true). Honestly of the three names you mention the only guy I like is Embiid to give up Thad and Mcw.
And again, if they love Wiggins, go get him, I don't love Wiggins that much.
What's weird is to compare Andrew Wiggins upside to a guy who hasn't even become a full player yet (George). Not saying that it's wrong or anything, but since Paul George probably isn't done reaching his 'upside' how can one say Wiggins upside is George unless it's George today, which i wouldn't do back flips over personally...his game still needs a lot of work
I responded to someone else comparing him to Paul George. I think it was Tray who said something like "Even if he was guaranteed to be Paul George, I wouldn't trade that much for him."
I just don't think that unless he's a guaranteed lock to be a top 10 player in the league (and he ain't since he's got huge holes) that any player would be worth two top 10 picks PLUS and getting in bidding war.
No one but Lebron has been a lock to reach that level before he was drafted. Wiggins has the best chance in this draft, and probably the last four of reaching that level.
If the Sixers gave them both Thad and MCW, the Sixers should at least get either Kendall Marshall or Jordan Hill if they can somehow arrange for a sign and trade of Hill after July 1.
I'd be fine w/ that, but wouldn't walk away from the deal if it was the sticking point. Doubt either one of those guys would figure into the future of the team.
That would also be a good outcome if one wanted to force Hinkie's hands to sign players after July 1st.
I'm assuming the team will waive Richardson and Moultrie, maybe resign Sims, and possibly keep Mullens because he has a cheap player option. That would leave them with the following:
Wiggins
#7 pick ( probably Smart if MCW traded)
maybe one of the remaining second rounders
Nash
Noel
Wroten
Sims
Mullens
Despite the potential, that's a roster with some holes. If Nash isn't on the active roster (probable), they would have to sign at least 5 players depending upon what they decide to do with some team options.
Luckily the free agent market seems fairly stocked with power forwards and point guard this year.
This off season they won't have a 'grown' star then...so having boatloads of cap space this off season don't mean much :)
Kevin Durant is an unrestricted free agent in 2016...coincidentally when Thaddeus Young expires, and every player who has a contract past that year (currently on the roster) is on a team option.
To me that's a realistic target year and player, I could see Durant coming here if he felt he could win here. And that gives young guy two more seasons to develop...
So - no rush to add cap space- and no rush to sign anyone long term this off season unless you think they can help you recruit and win with Durant
I'm beginning to warm up to your vision especially since the free agent market has multiple decent power forward and point guard options and I don't want Exum or Gordon and I have no problem seeing MCW go elsewhere.
The big obstacle in my mind though is that I'm not sure why getting those extra things would be worth so much to Cleveland unless they really, really wanted Embiid but wanted some consolation for having to wait for him.
Saw Chad Ford say if Cleveland picks Jabari #1, it probably means they traded it to Orlando (which doesn't seem as likely now). If they take Wiggins it means they're keeping the pick, or they've got a deal with the Sixers.
If they take Wiggins and we take Embiid, I bet there's a trade in place.
I really don't like Julius Randle. I've gone out of my way to watch a lot of Kentucky games last season and I just couldn't get myself to like him. He's physically limited, his shots look unnatural, and he seems like a guy that will have 5 or 10 good games when everything comes together. I wouldn't make the MCW, Thad for #7 trade if he was the best player available.
If my team's medical staff said there was a good chance that Embiid would be fully healthy in 1 or 2 years, I would take him #3. I don't mind waiting
What's everyone's odds for the following things tonight
1. Sixers trade Up to #1
2. Sixers get #7 without giving up 3 or 10
3. Sixers move down
4. Sixers get a late first round pick with their 5 second round picks.
5. Sixers pick 3 or more players in the second round
6. Kevin Love gets trade
1) I'm thinking 30% chance they move up to #1.
2) If they get it, they won't give up a pick. 40% chance they get #7 w/out giving up a pick.
3) 10% they move down from #3.
4) 25% they package 2nd rounders for a late first.
5) 75% chance they take 3 or more 2nd round players. 100% chance they draft and then trade at least one in the 2nd round.
6) 50% chance Love gets traded tonight, or at least it's announced tonight.
100% chance Hinkie makes at least one move that seems (and probably is) completely pointless.
Bitter, so very bitter, and just a year ago you were very excited by Mr Hinkie :)
(if i could shake my head sadly with an image or something i would do so ;) )
I don't think #1 or #2 happen, I say there's a 45% chance they moved down, from 10, 50% chance they package 2nd rounders for a later first, 50% chance they draft 3 second rounders (95% chance two of them are stash players)
No ideas on love, it seems like if the warriors include Thompson it's done, and they're split over there...and of course ANdre Iguodala says no
I'd do it if I were them. Thompson is good, but Love is more disruptive as a running mate for Curry. If they could get a slasher at the two, they'd be really hard to defend.
1) I'd say definitely below equally likely: maybe 20%. For this to work, Cleveland would have to strongly prefer Embiid over the other two and do this just to get additional compensation for having to wait a year for him. I also don't know whether the Sixers have what it takes to interest Cleveland. For example, Utah's reported proposal looked better to me that what the Sixers can offer.
2) Maybe equally likely: 50%. Lakers haven't shown a great deal of interest in building through the draft most years. If they could get Thad and MCW, they might pull the trigger. They really do need numbers on their roster.
3) Not likely: 10% or less. I don't see much motivation for that.
4) Low: 20% or less. If #32 is gone in another deal there would seem to be no chance of pulling this off.
5) Picking is high; keeping is virtually 0%.
6) 50% or better. Love looks like a lame duck and the longer the Wolves wait the more desperate they will become.
I also don't know whether the Sixers have what it takes to interest Cleveland. For example, Utah's reported proposal looked better to me that what the Sixers can offer.
It's simple to trump this, take Embiid at #3, then Utah's offer loses most of its value. The #5 turns into Vonleh rather than Embiid.
Various reports are that they're split again, like they were last year, owner wants Wiggins, rest of front office wants Parker. The owner probably has his stupid playoff mandate again, front office drafting for job, so they want to take the guy nba ready, owner can't fire himself so he can push the less ready higher upside guy cause missing the playoffs doesn't cost him his job. Owner was the guy who pushed Bennett last year reportedly. It's a poorly run organization yes, think Dallas Cowboys...with less money and class
On that subject, the stats people at canis hoopius have written that the players who tend to overperform their statistical projections from college numbers are the big-time athletes. DeRozan, for instance, has become a pretty decent NBA player after putting up really lackluster numbers at USC. That's the example I remember, anyway.
So as it looks like we're not trading up, my pre-draft thoughts on the options at 3:
If we draft Embiid, it probably means his medical reports aren't so bad. Hinkie knows more than we do about Embiid's health, so I don't see how we can object if he goes that way. Virtually every scout out there sees Embiid as the most talented prospect in the draft by a long shot. If his long-term prognosis is good, as picking him at 3 would suggest, getting him would be a massive success.
If we draft Exum, I'd be pretty happy. Again, the Sixers know a lot more about him than we do; they've seen him work out, while we've just seen game tape from a year ago, they've seen all his Australian games on film, Brett Brown's coached him. He seems to have about as much talent as any of the big-name combo guards who've gone high in recent years. None of them were great shooters at 18 either, and who knows what his jump shot looks like right now after 12 months of training? I also find the superlative results in psych testing really encouraging. He seems to be an extremely confident, but not at all arrogant player who other guys like to play with.
Vonleh would be a major disappointment; to me he only projects as an above-average starter at one of the more stacked positions in the league. Maybe he can be the third best player on a contender, but by himself he's not going to advance the rebuild very far. And unlike the other two, we know about as much about Vonleh as the Sixers do, so if they pick him it's harder to just bow to their superior knowledge.
Not at all. What if they strongly believe that this is a 2-player draft, even as they disagree on who's #1? There are also reports we wouldn't give them that.
I don't know. Their behavior seems to be consistent with 3 reasonable views: Exum is an unknown, Embiid's too risky, Wiggins and Parker have very different strengths and weaknesses and are about on par with each other.
Oh, and a fourth reasonable view: no one at 10 is adequate value for the dropoff from Wiggins/Parker to unknown/health risk. Which I totally buy if you buy 1-3.
I think someone needs to come up with a sort of technology that allows you to mute specific voices on the tv, I'd like to hear Silver make the announcements - but Bilas, Rose, Simmons - that's a guaranteed ear bleeding night.
So - last licks folks - who are the sixers picking at #3.
I think it's Embiid, I think the agent holding on to the medical records only to the sixers is a positive sign regarding those bone density issues (just a gut feeling I had driving home.)
If not Embiid, I say Exum and I bet the sixers know more about him than any other team in the league.
Reports are that
A. Cleveland knows finally who they are going to pick
B. Not sure if they are keeping it yet though (supposedly the GM sent a text to Andy Katz)
Chad Ford just tweeted that Cleveland will not trade the pick. I guess in your eyes this makes Gilbert a really smart amateur GM. Supposedly the front office wanted Parker.
I'm criticizing the fact that he couldn't stay on the floor for more than 25 minutes. Whatever, we've got him for the moment, better than Exum. Hope the trade happens in a minute or two, if not, I think Embiid has a bright future if he's healthy.
Wow you really don't know much about college basketball history, do you? NO!!! Ralph Sampson played at Virginia and Hakeem played at Houston.
Hakeem did play with Clyde Drexler, Robert Williams, and Larry Micheaux though during his freshman year. Akeem was very raw as a redshirt freshman but he was still a difference maker when he came in. During the tournament national semis, North Carolina (with Worthy, Perkins, and a freshman Michael Jordan) got off to a 10-0 lead. Then Houston brought freshman Hakeem (Akeem in those days) and the game really changed. Houston was down by only 2 at half.
Middle of college season I commented that I liked him #1. But I started to sour on him with the back injury deal and the foot injury scares the hell out of me. See Walton and Yao. Not sure what to think or if he even stays with us.
The Noel pick was analyzed for nearly half an hour about him playing along side Anthony Davis before it was announced he was traded for Jrue.
With shooters around him and someone else as the primary scoring option? Sure. He's going to be a good defensive PG, you just have to get the right pieces to go around him.
For the record, I'm happy with this pick whether the trade for Wiggins happens or not. They took a shot at a guy with superstar potential, rather than taking the shiny Australian object and settling.
Well, the great Hinkie passed on him, right? Even w/ Mr. Australia as his coach. No one knew more about him than the Sixers, and they took the guy w/ the broken foot.
Yeah, we took the best big-man prospect in 7 years, and our team reportedly thinks the foot is a non-issue. So that's proof we don't think much of Exum.
The guy with the broken foot was the #1 prospect in the draft until his broken foot, and they probably feel his foot will heel 100% and they got lucky to be able to pick him like they were lucky to pick Noel last year, due to injury.
This is more pointless than your 'he didn't score 20' assertion - I know you're not behaving like this just as an 'act', I just wish you were...this keeps up, it won't be a fun place to read any more
Why does anyone care if I think Exum is all hype based on the fact that he didn't play against anyone so his warts weren't exposed? Why is that more outrageous than Tray saying "Exum is going to be one of the quickest PGs in the league." with nothing, at all, to back that up?
Anyway, it doesn't matter. I hope he does well in Utah, I'm glad we didn't waste the pick on him.
The injury itself didn't concern me (and comparisons to other big men who had chronic injuries in other areas or in other ways were just lazy comparisons), it was the rumors of the bone density issues that worried me, and I figured if they saw no long term problems looming, they'd pick him...another opportunity based on too many folk thinking short term
Yeah... isn't Stauskas a much worse defender and athlete than McLemore, while only being a little better of a shooter? McLemore shot 42% his freshman season and made 73 threes.
" Although he attempted just 3.2 jump shots in the half court per-game, the 4th least in this sample of players, he made a group low 25.7% of those attempts. His 18.2% conversion rate on catch and shoot jump shots obviously leaves a lot to be desired..."
Do you all think players are unable to improve anything once they enter the NBA?
Just because Evan Turner couldn't do it doesn't make it unlikely - for instance - Jrue Holiday and Thaddeus Young both became better shooters over time
This is a junior with the following shooting stats:
Although he attempted just 3.2 jump shots in the half court per-game, the 4th least in this sample of players, he made a group low 25.7% of those attempts. His 18.2% conversion rate on catch and shoot jump shots obviously leaves a lot to be desired...
Actually, I think Embiid is going to improve dramatically. I think Lavine is really going to blossom. I like Stauskus, think he'll surprise a lot of people. Wouldn't be surprised at all if Smart becomes an All Star, despite the shot. What I'm not doing, however, is assuming that players will take terrible weaknesses and turn them into strengths. It doesn't happen all that often. And going from really good to great is much easier than going from terrible to above average.
Well I agree with Embiid (and hence why even with all the footage and knowledge I didn't think them taking him third meant that they didn't like Exum) not sure about the rest...
But guys can get better...plus - I don't think Hinkie plans to keep Payton around
Libertyballers tweets Payton could be moved with Thad. A nice package. But what are we moving it for? The Bulls have two first-rounders and Rose is supposedly healthy. The Suns have two picks and have two point guards.
Not saying that isn't right
but there was a lot of confusion about the Pelicans pick last year when the trade was immediately done - took some time to realize it was as nice as it was
Yeah I do like him. Watched him a ton in college since his freshman year. Just worry about whether he can develop enough of a shot to be a threat with his impeccable driving ability.
except all rebuilds aren't successful and happen in a short amount of time.
You're just being nice or excusing this laughable fucked up way they're going about it.
Yeah it's short term but asset accumumlation doesn't equate instant contender ala getting a superstar.
They'll still be shuffling deck chairs like this in 4-5 years from now and will be lucky to be that dreaded 8th seed again around 2018-2019.
I am truly amazed at how fans can still remain blindly optimistic about this method. It's failed way more times than not. And these guys running the team are trying to win the title of making a mockery of it. Mockery of the tear it down and build it back up method; and mockery of the game itself. This is bullshit.
Well first off, you don't know they're going to be 19-63, the off season just started and no one knows what's going to happen.
It's not complacency as I see it, it's an understanding that when you're the sixers, and you have a crappy night life, no tax benefits, and a fan base that doesn't encourage people to play here, you aren't going to get free agents who are good to come here (unless their wives force them to) until you have a base of quality players to pair them with. It's an understanding that you can't fix a house with so many cracks and bad add ons without tearing it down to the foundation. It's the understanding that there might be a plan in place to try and build a title contender as opposed to meandering between 6 and 8 and losing in the first round like that did for over a decade, and that requires a little short term pain - a season or two or possibly three until all the pieces materialize.
Envision the 2016 starting line up containing Kevin Durant - cause that's what I think the goal is - that's also Saric's rookie year.
So the best we can do is lock-in foreign players who likely won't be here for at least two years? I refuse to believe that. If I really did, I'd adopt another team. I would have been OK with Saric if they would have acquired a couple of other first rounders who would have made a contribution this year, but they didn't so I'm not.
This rebuild isn't going to happen overnight. I would like for the sixers to be more than an 8th seed at best team so if that means we have to suck for another yr or 2 I'm with it.
Sam Hinkie literally undoing the mistakes Doug Collins made.
Sixers trade the #10 pick for the #12 pick (that they really wanted) recovers their 2017 draft pick given up for Andrew Bynum and gets a 2015 second rounder just for giggles that will probably be in the top 10 of the second round.
This rebuild isn't going to happen overnight. I would like for the sixers to be more than an 8th seed at best team so if that means we have to suck for another yr or 2 I'm with it.
If two more years of having 19 wins turns us into a legit championship contender I'm all for it. Gives time for LeBron melo etc to get a little older as well.
Alright, I'm going to go watch something funny, or uplifting, or paint dry. My deepest apologies for actually wanting to witness a worthwhile product being put on the floor in Philly. At least by the time Saric gets over here the team will be playing in Newark. Enjoy the pointless trades Hinkie pulls in the second round.
Such a shame you've moved into the category of the bitter spiteful hateful folk who would rather shoot to build a mediocre franchise then try and take a shot at building a title winner...guess we'll see you next May...right?
Yeah, well, sorry if I don't stand up and applaud when my GM shoots for putting the shittiest product possible on the floor...again. I enjoy watching quality basketball, that's not going to happen in this city for quite some time. Had Hinkie not fucked up with Turner and Hawes he could've added a player who would've immediately started the climb out of the abyss. Instead, he's signed up for two more years of it, minimum, before the climb out begins. So job well done, I guess we can see our diminutive owner cheering and calling another 19-win season a great success.
He didn't pick these guys because they were unavailable, he picked them because they were the best players available. He sure wasn't alone in his assessment of either, though I don't love Saric.
There's an obvious difference here between you (and maybe Tray) and most of the rest of us. You don't watch the Sixers games anyway so it doesn't really matter to you if they're just as shitty to watch next year as they were this year.
I actually watched some this year and plan on watching all of them next year.
You're right
1. I don't feel 'entitled' to anything as the fan of a sports team
2. I don't get overly emotional about sports teams I root for when they win or lose, cause, well, it's entertainment.
I enjoy discussing them but my life is not altered nor is my emotional health affected by whether they win or lose...
But yes, if it makes you feel better, you bitter petty angry people are much better fans than I am. I know a site, it's called philaphans.com - it's where your people gather.
Well, we could have put players on the floor who could have started us on the road to improvement this year. That's not such an outrageous idea is it?
We're unlikely to get anything in free agency this season other than role players so we now have them, Thad, MCW, and Noel. That doesn't sound any better than this past season and Thad will likely opt out next summer and we'll get nothing for him.
I'm not claiming that we can. That's my point. That's why we could have used a couple of new rookies who would have played this year and provided some modest improvement and we could have traded Thad to get one of those and maybe something else.
Your certainty of fact is amazing...your psychic ability to know what would have happened if the sixers had ended up with #1 or #2 (I'm betting it still would have been Embiid and you still would be crying about it)...
If the sixers ended up at #2 and #10 I'm betting it would have worked out the same way (don't forget that the worst team in the league did not win the lottery).
As far as I'm concerned the difference between 2 and 3 was insignificant to them cause after they saw their medicals they wanted Embiid, so they would have taken him at 2.
Anyone who thought this was going to turn around in a year knows much less about how the NBA works than they thought.
Besides, I thought you had to go watch something uplifiting.
So now you're kicking me out, huh? I understand this is no skin off your back since you watch about two games a year, but believe it or not, it's OK to want your team to attempt to be good. It's OK to wish they'd find a way to turn things around quickly, it's even OK to expect them to have a sense of urgency after putting their fans through a year like they had last year. And I find it funny that you're mocking me for knowing what would've happened had they been #2, then you go on to say with certainty that you know what they would have done. But really, keep the faith. In Hinkie You Trust.
Per a source, Sixers offered Elfrid Payton and Thaddeus Young for Dario Saric and Orlando's 2015 first round pick before it was denied - Jake Fischer, LB
Cause they owe the fans a meaningless playoff appearance next year.
Because most of the people here know that an unathletic white guy would have made the sixers TONS better next year...and they know that THEY could convince free agents to sign here when lots of better more appealing destinations will have cap room...and they know how to build NBA rosters better...they also can evaluate college prospects better with only 25% of the information that nba teams have access to.
If we had got Wiggins or Parker we still wouldn't have made the playoffs in my opinion & if we did it would have been 8th seed so why all the crying for
If the sixers had gotten #2 instead of #3 (assuming all other things being equal in the lottery if the sixers had the worst record instead of Miwaukee) I bet Embiid would have been the second pick.
I'm not crying, I'm just not jumping up and down at the prospect of a couple more years like last year. Though I suppose I should be. So yay!
They made the right pick at #3, of course all the other people here who are drinking Hinkie's kool-aid right now wanted Exum, but that's beside the point. Saric isn't impressive to me, but the guy I really wanted was off the board so who cares.
To sum things up. Hinkie made the right pick at #3. Probably could've done better at #10, but that's inconsequential. I'm unhappy because there won't be a second of even enjoyable basketball played in philly this year (and possibly beyond), and what I really want is to watch enjoyable basketball. Is that all very difficult to understand?
I don't understand how the #10 pick was supposed to make them enjoyable this year. A rookie who supposedly has NBA range from three doesn't improve their win total all that much.
No, it's not difficult to understand at all, but what has taken over for some people is "fantasy basketball" vs. actual basketball. They don't actually watch the games. They just immerse themselves in stats and brief videos. Call it virtual basketball.
Ah passive aggressive insults cause things aren't going your way.
You participate in fantasy GM'ing you say 'you could add players who would make the sixers better' - but you won't be able to find any quality free agents who would agree to play in Philadlephia I bet you
You can still enjoy watching a team with real talent develop. I understand what Brian is saying - he wants to watch a real grown man team play sound, smart team ball. Who doesn't? But collecting assets is the game now. It's how it's done, it's not fantasy hoops. And they're not gonna be good next year anyway.
Do you think we're just going to get four or five new players in a couple of years and be good right away? Not unless we manage to do something like Boston or Miami did. You have to start turning the corner and unless some dramatic deals occur after July 1st, I don't see that happening.
"Assets" aren't worth anything to me if they can't play. I'm a fan, not an art dealer. Since we already had Noel, I wasn't thrilled with the pick of Embiid, but I could have understood that if we didn't compound that pick with another pick who is not going to play. Then, we didn't make any trades that could have gotten us someone else. Thad is likely gone after this season. Maybe Hinkie will get another second round draft pick for him at the 2015 trade deadline.
If they can't play they're not assets. MCW, Noel, Embiid and Saric (whom Danny Ainge was lusting for) can all play. I don't get how you see this draft helping them field a team worth watching any sooner. Taking McDermott?
I do realize that. Three years in a row...of waiting. At least we get to see Noel. Hate that we got 2 top 10 picks and don't get to see either one next season though. That's why so many DFers are grouchy, I think.
Sorry - I was being sarcastic in regards to my comment.
Like I said earlier - I expect the sixers to have a top 3 worst record next year - even before the draft - and I believe there is a long term plan in place (that might or might not work out) that involves the summer of 2016 and Kevin Durant.
To get a guy to come to Philadelphia for free agency I think he has to be a slightly different kind of cat (at least how I perceive them). I think if the players develop the way the sixers hope, that KD is the type of guy who would come here. I don't think they'll win a title in the next two years and I think he'll want to go somewhere he feels he can win...the east is suddenly going to surpass the west overall in the next 2 seasons I don't think but if these guys do pan out...the sixers could be in a position to capitalize with the addition of the unrestricted free agent Kevin Durant.
Hold up. So Kevin Durant is going to seriously consider playing with a bunch of motherfuckers that don't even know how to play with each other yet? Really?
And Kevin Durant is going to look at this hodgepodge of guys and "feel he can win" with them? Come on....
Philly isn't that bad is it?? I like it - don' t live there. Moses came here. (Yes it was technically a trade, but it was a free agent signing first with a matched offer.)
I grew up in the suburbs...i like philadelphia, think it's a great city, enjoy winter (don't really miss the humidity of summer though)...but i'm a 42 year old suburban kid.
It's not New York or LA, it doesn't have the cache of a Miami, the nightlife, the quality weather, the beaches, the lack of state income tax...I mean it's not Utah or Cleveland, but it's not a strong draw to the modern NBA player...except maybe for the cats who are slightly different who see a good core maturing that can help him win the title that his ball hogging point guard prevented him from winning.
That's how I see it - obviously others will disagree
MCW (if he's here) going into his 4th year, Noel 3rd year, Embiid coming off rookie of the year year, saric coming over for his rookie year after maturing in Europe.
Might not work out, but my hypothesis based on absolutely nothing is that the sixers long game is to get KD...of course there's a good chance they will fail, but if/when they do, at least they aren't left barren and scrambling like those teams who missed out on the Lebron Bosh Wade thing and had to waste money on not as good players...just my theory...
Bogdanovic is going 27 and C.J. Wilcox is going really early at 28. A senior shooter from U of Washington. We're therefore guaranteed that one of Anderson, Stokes, Dinwiddie, and McDaniels will be at 32.
The last report was that the 1st the sixers got was the one they gave up in the Bynum trade, their own 2017...what Mr Bodner said on his twitter feed was
Keep in mind, after tonight the #sixers couldn’t trade a pick until 2019. Now they can. Gained a ton of lexibility (sic) and still got Saric.
Los Angeles might have more money in their bank account, but they can't spend more money on salaries than the Spurs.
Kobe Bryant making more money than the spurs big 3 last year is exactly why the Lakers are screwed - and you saying it's because the Spurs don't have as much money as the Lakers just makes you a putz
And the Bucks will take Inglis at 31. So we'll have our pick of McDaniels, Dinwiddie, Stokes, Early. Stokes put up about the same stats as Randle did, in the same league, is about the same size, and is a better shooter and defender.
Just be glad that they finally picked a player who can play next season. I would have preferred Cleanthony but I'll take this kid. Lead the ACC in blocked shots at 6'7".
Early is great at nothing, McDaniels is an elite perimeter defender, shot-blocker and finisher. From draftexpress:
McDaniels ranks as the top transition scorer [among small forwards in the draft], scoring 1.49 points per fast break possession. [That is, he makes 75% of his shots in transition.] He also ranks as the 3rd best finisher in the half court, scoring 1.36 points per possessions round the rim.
I'm fine with this kid. I'm also OK with Jerami Grant. At least they will have the opportunity to take the court and battle it out with each other for a possible starting position. However, I will say that a mediocre Big Ten team, Minnesota (where I live an happen to be a fan of), won the NIT while Clemson couldn't make the finals of that tournament.
I think he's really decent value here. I'm pretty confident he'll carve out some kind of NBA career, and I can't say that of the other players available.
I haven't caught up on this thread yet. I was not keeping up with this website as I should have been prior to the draft. I was going through almost a personal crisis after the injury to Embiid tore Andrew Wiggins from what seemed to be pur-perhaps too greedy, too dashed with hubris and other Greek sins -clutches.
It seems to be-and caveat here that I spent a lot of time thinking about this draft, this draft was very important to me, but I really did not follow the coverage too closely. I am involved in moving to Brooklyn from Philly, a process which requires one to brave a a treacherous landscape of bad hustlers -which in New York, defines the pursuit of "affordable housing" which is not even that. Anyway, things are looking up on that front. But the process distracted me somewhat.
So far I have read the comments only up until when Cleveland is on the clock, any hope of a Hunkie miracle is slipping away, and Wigggins is disappearing from reach. Just as Brian insists hysterically that the Sixers were picking Embiid for Wiggins and a deal was quite possibly made, so I insisted weakly to my brother as we watched the draft.Staving off the hurt of losing out on a player like that. A player that it seemed like we were in PERFECT position to pick up until a week before the draft.
Embiid was probably the best pick there. Just like perhaps Saric was the best talent available after their efforts to move up for Stauskas failed.
But the reality is is was an eight deep draft. The mission was to get Wiggins and one of the other eight. Everything got totally fucked, let's be real.
Wiggins is a transcendent talent. Whether or not he realizes the strastospheric heights that his physical gifts provide him, he has potential as a wing superstar that have not been seen in quite a while. Just watch the way he moves. It's like he's on pogo sticks. Coach him up and he is the TRUTH. He also would be insanely fun to watch, and he is a virtual lock to be one o f the better wing defenders in the league.
His ceiling is two way superstar that transforms a franchise. Wilt, Julius, Moses, Barkley, Iverson-finally a defining star for a new era of Sixers relevancy. Take him, and you already have a center in Noel who should be at least an elite defender and could grow into an offensive contributor, especially is defenses are focused elsewhere. Add a Stauskas, or a Randle(who I happen to like a lot, I know there is mixed opinion on him and mine isn't particularly informed but it's the way that I feel) and with Carter Williams you have four young starters, all talented and with varying degrees of potential, and certainly the opportunity to gl together into a team in the best sense-a cohesive, invested unit. I think Wiggins is going to be inspiring to play with.
To me the fact that there was actually a team, in Milwaukee, who was ready to draft Jabari Parker and just leave Wiggins for us, I felt like we were set up like the Bulls in 84-ready to collect the generational wing talent who falls to 3 thanks to a mixtures of tantalizing African centers with their own potential for transcendence and truly terrible management. Picking Parker over Wiggins is just an absolutely absurd thing to do, and you will not convince me otherwise-none of you, not even eddie's headies who I see has been a rock for Jabari on the DF hustings in the most predictable development since the rise of this morning's sun.
I think Brian sees the same things I do in Wiggins, and if you see those things, a grieving period is needed. Losing him after coming so close to being ours by serendipitous blessings. That's what you need in the NBA!Good luck!Whether they had traded Turner or Hawes a little earlier I don't believe he could have gotten significantly more value. Turner was deadweight. He sucked. He was not winning them games, despite a couple last second shots that I know drove Brian completely bonkers-to let this talentless nitwit Turner, emerging in high pressure situations to win games that no intelligent Sixer fan wanted any part of winning. But there's no guarantee that having the worst record would have gotten us the first pick. Ask Milwaukee.
You need luck in these processes. You need to be smart, and lucky. The Sixers looked poised to be enormously lucky and transform their franchise into a rising contender in the East within a couple of years.
Instead we get Embiid, who has been playing basketball for three years, and in his one season at Kansas played what, 20 games?And now is set to miss his entire rookie season. Maybe it's a Blake Griffin situation. Maybe Embiid really is a beast with a reasonably healthy career. He still isn't Wiggins, and I had my little heart set.
There are plenty of ways to rationalize the Sixers draft, and once Wiggins was not a possibility Embiid was probably the best pick-the one with the highest potential to be a franchise even if he does carry substantial risks.
Wiggins ia a goldmine. Watching Wiggins grow as a Sixer for the next ten years would have been a defining part of my life as a basketball fan. I feel very confident in saying this. I feel a tremendous sense of loss, I can't deny it and I don't think I should have to. I think there are ways to rationalize the Sixers draft, but no way to avoid acknowledging that we appear to have taken the wrong end of the dice.
I know there is disagreement about Wiggins. There was disagreement about Durant. Wiggins is a stone cold stud. Anyone who denies that I just don't find credible when I watch tape of him. Yes he has to work on his game. But can you not see the truly awesome abilities the man's been blessed with. The idea that Paul George is his ceiling is a joke. Paul George is not that good. Wiggins IS going to be better than Paul George ever has been or will be within two or three years. He could go bust but he's got a helluva lot of gifts he's carrying around with him. I understand completely how you feel, Brian. It's a different feeling being on the same page with you, and I think you are right about this.
Wiggins haters can just tell it to someone else. Nattering nabobs of negativism. If only Tray weren't what, under 30?- I would bemoan the fact that no Internet then existed for nattering nabobs of negativism like him to seize upon the weaknesses in the available data on Jordan and proclaimed the idea that he would ever be better than David Thompson to be as whimsical as the notion that Wiggins is a lock to even equal the greatness of Paul George-a talented athlete with less offensive moves than Wiggins, but whose animating value is elite athleticism. Paul geogrge is a good athlete. Andrew Wiggins is otherwordly. Teach him how to play ball the right way-defend, and on offense, move the bodies and move the ball and get the best look at the best shot possible-and he is a star. Jabari Parker is a joke. He might be as good as Melo. Melo is not a player who you want to build a basketball team around. He will not play defense, he odesn't have heart. Jabari is a Mormon. It is a fucked up background. Look at poor God damn Manti Te'o. These people are not normal. They belong to a cultthat has grown beyond its wildest dreams and become a moneymaking mackine. I just am not impressed by Jabari. Generally the people who pimp Jabari are people whose opinion I often take with a grain of salt or those who were just infected with the conventional wisdom that he was a top talent in this draft. If he hadn't played for Duke no way does he go number 2 with so few questions. He used his superior size to score over inferior and overmatched defenders.Now I clung to the version of Evan Turner that was sold pre draft for an awfully long time. He certainly showed no indication of being an uterrly wretched defender in college, unlike Jabari. Prior to the first bump in the summer league and the slowly dawning revelation that Evan and the coach despised each other-it was assumed in these very comments, the most intelligent conflagration of Sixers freaks on the whole wide Internet that Turner was the most NBA ready player in the draft, you could pencil him in for twenty a night right away, he's the favorite for ROY because of this nebulous readiness which I think is more America's readiness to embrace a clean cut,Duke kid who they saw on national TV all year and who's the least threatening black man in America( a MORMON. the brother is a MORMON. Tom is too mild a word for a black Mormon.)
So we wait a year, watch MCW and Nerlens and the two energetic defenders(or so I understand), that they got in the 30's. People whose opinions I trust liked those picks a lot. And we do the lottery again next year. And we see about Embiid. And we wait for Lady Luck's fleeting fancies to light upon us at the proper moment.
One concern with hinkie-he traded a lot, but just with San Antonio, Orlando, New Orleans-all teams he has had prior dealings with. That could mean nothing but I am concerned that the league is leery of dealing with him for reasons I do not know. I could speculate that maybe he can't help but flaunt his belief that he will fleece them in a deal. This is offensive enough to an NBA general manager, as weak, spineless and perpetually insecure group of men as is likely to be found in one group in this great and proud nation. Even more-here, the insecurity rears it's inevitable head-I can see executives thinking hey maybe he does know this shit better than me and maybe he is fixing to fleece me(which is what he was trying to do to Cleveland. They're crazy to give up Wiggins there.)
Anyway, that is purely speculation but I am worrying if he isn't becoming regarded as a self regarding loner in a clubbish profession who operate in clubbish good faith, mostly, and who suspect this Hinkie character of bad faith. He doesn't strike me as a front of the store man. I don't know that he is an adept socializer. I would tend to be shocked if he were. Anyway, DEVELOPING...or not.
It is a time to be depresssed fans, and the darkness and pestilence will be slow in lifting. But lift they shall. We will get there together. Thanks to Brian and all the great commenters here for providing the best Sixers draft discussion by a country mile. This is the only source for spirited Sixers discourse between intelligent people(given that here is at least one idiot in every sports discussion board on the web, most likely). The discussion here features a consistenly enjoyable cast of characters-whether the particular character's contributions more likely cause you to shake your head in bewildered irritation or to nod slowly in thoughtful assent. I'm glad it exists. Onward and upward, my people.
Following on that Orlando Denver Salary mismatch...
The Nuggets appear to be absorbing Afflalo into a trade exception, Zach Lowe of Grantland tweets. A quick glance at this summer’s outstanding trade exceptions would indicate that Denver is using the $9.868MM exception from the Andre Iguodala deal to take on Afflalo.
pretty sure that Afflalo deal really hurts thad's value
What about the asik deal last night?
I think the value depends on the team that wants him. The lakers for instance might value experience more than the #7 pick since they will have cap room and screwed themselves with the Kobe extension
I think your dream scenario is a pipe dream. Maybe it could have happened last week back when Embiid was healthy and Randle was sliding. But right now I expect that if they want Wiggins it will take a kings ransom- like 3+10+32.
Or more, if you believe Sam Amcio's most recent comment.
There’s a lot of skepticism that the Cavs are at all serious about trading the No. 1 pick
So they're probably looking for that Herschel Walker type over pay.
I'm fine with that price
I would have done that for a healthy Embiid, but not for Wiggins. Not even if I knew he'd be the next Paul George, which of course we don't.
I think that's idiotic, but to each his own.
George is the "franchise player" on a team that got trounced by a team that got trounced in the Finals. I think that whether he's good enough to be the best player on a Finals winner is a very open question. When they were competitive against Miami the previous season, Hibbert was the best player in the series. Anyway, I only see something like a 30 to 40 percent chance that Wiggins will even be that good.
I never said I thought George was Wiggins' best-case. I think his ceiling is higher.
And if you had a choice between coming out of this draft with Paul George or two or three guys with about 0% chance of getting anywhere near that level you'd take the latter? That's idiotic.
Paul George is a nice player but let's not get carried away here.
I'm guessing everyone also gave Paul George about a 0% chance of becoming Paul George
Very true. I'm all for drafting a wing or a big w/ the size/athleticism to be able to reach that level.
Nice one, Mr. Bear!
Brian, your ideal draft: Wiggins, Randle, and Stauskas would be just great. I don't know how anyone could complain about it.
The difference between us is that I'm not convinced that Wiggins is "the lynchpin" and I wouldn't be inclined to give up a lot in the way of other opportunities for him. Perhaps I would if I had the same esthetic attachment to his possibilities that you seem to have, but I just don't. I would ask you to reflect back a bit to your feelings on resigning Bynum after the 2013 season when almost everyone else was saying "HELL NO!."
I'd be extremely pleased with your ideal draft, of course, but, if I could have anything I might want, I think I would like to see something a bit more radical from Hinkie: using this draft for the purposes of selecting a core of lottery cohorts. Here's something I wouldn't mind at all:
#3: Marcus Smart (if Wiggins isn't available);
#7 (through trade of Thad): Julius Randle
#10: Jusuf Nurkic (because what the NBA needs right now is a Slavic look-a-like of Bryant "Big Country" Reeves);
Rodney Hood might be a second choice; if we trade MCW and don't pick Smart, we might want to select Elfrid Payton here, but, as you've said, there are a fair number of competent free agent point guards available.
#12 (through trade of MCW to Orlando): Nick Stauskas (preferably) or Doug McDermott
A bit harsh
according to zach lowe the protections on the pick in the asik deal are as follow: "The Pelicans will keep the pick next season only if it falls within the top three or after no. 20; the Rockets get it if it falls somewhere in between those spots, per sources close to the talks."
Is that the first time a pick has had top and bottom 'protections' on it?
BTW - there's a rumor that to get into the first round at 22, the raptors will be taking on Tayshaun Princes 7 million for next year (and giving away John Salmons and the 37th pick)
the rockets did a similar thing when they traded lowry to Toronto
Interesting, didn't know that. Thanks.
This day might more fun than trade deadline day in February (just in general) in terms of craziness
John Salmon's autobiography could have the same title as Rocky Graziano's: Somebody Up there Likes Me. Despite few people "down here" liking him for very long, he continues to be in the league at the age of 34 and, even if the Raptors waive him and his NBA career ends, will have earned about 57 million dollars over his time in the league.
Ford's Final Mock:
1) Wiggins
2) Parker
3) Exum
4) Vonleh
5) Gordon
6) Embiid
10) Stauskas
I'm presuming Randle is somewhere in 7-9?
sorry:
7) Randle
8) Smart
9) McDermott
Yep, for a long time there has clearly been a big drop off after #8. I was hoping that somehow one of those top 8 would slide, but that seems unlikely- especially after Saric signed his extension.
I actually thought that maybe Saric made it a 9 man draft, but it sounds like he has slid a bit since he will not be coming over for 2 years.
It would be funny if they ended up drafting Embiid and Saric. Young and MCW would blow a gasket.
"It would be funny if they ended up drafting Embiid and Saric. Young and MCW would blow a gasket."
And they would be joined by many thousands of fans.
I'd be fine w/ that if they stay put. I'd prefer it to Exum and Gordon.
This should make Brian very happy
A league source tells Bob Cooney of the Daily News (on Twitter) that the Sixers are in full court press mode with Cleveland to get the No. 1 pick. “They really, really, really want Wiggins,” the source said.
Wish it was coming from a reporter with actual sources in the organization, though.
I think it's probably coming from the Cavaliers anyway :)
BTW - this just made me laugh - ANdre Iguodala - GM
In an interview with SiriusXM, Warriors star Andre Iguodala said that he doesn’t believe teammate Klay Thompson should be traded as part of a deal for Minnesota’s Kevin Love, writes Diamond Leung of the Bay Area News Group. “That’s not going to happen,” Iguodala said. “I want to clear that up right now. We should not trade Klay Thompson. “I tell Klay this every day. I text Klay and say, ‘Don’t worry. I’m your man. I’m going to make sure you get paid. I’m going to get you the max (contract). You’ll be taken care of. Don’t stress.’”
It's starting to feel like Hinkie won't be denied Wiggins. I trust the man, so if he feels Wiggins is that much better than everyone else...go get him.
I trust him so far too but I als know the history (in many sports) of over loading assets to get one player, it's hardly ever played out well
I would also say that a deal offering multiple quality players and/or picks for one of the top draft picks should appeal more to a team like the Sixers than to a team like the Cavs. The Cavs have multiple high draft picks from recent drafts and don't have a problem with roster numbers. They seem to have about 8 sure returnees on their roster if Verejao is included. Verejao had another credible year last year and 40% of this final year salary is guaranteed anyway. Cleveland has the #33rd pick in addition to the first. Why wouldn't they just take who they believe is the best player for them at #1?
Cleveland may likely take a shot at Lebron and they might have a chance. If that's the case, they probably wouldn't want Wiggins, but they can still take Parker and perhaps find a quality prospect with the #33 pick. That would give them 10 filled roster spaces. They have enough money to go after Lebron or maybe another quality free agent or two if they can't get him.
3,10 and 32 is too much for me and for an organization that really doesnt leak, all the sixers really want Wiggins stuff seems odd to me
Good point. I won't claim to understand Hinkie but he does seem to value secrecy and the ability to surprise.
'Seem'??? Replace that with 'silently scream' for a tighter profile on the Egghead That Ate Philadelphia.
3, 10 & 32 for a Big 12 triple jumper with a dubious passion for the game's nuts & bolts [my read]? Nah, too much. Especially when the cupboard is nearly bare.
Stock up for the coming winter and beyond, okie dokie, Sam? The WFC home tunnel would like an assortment of winners please. U D Xpert. The time to fetch is upon you. To the wary Wizard of Ozymandias, GM: may your pretensions and apprehensions and calculations and blufftations deliver talent to this fair city - now!
Congrats on signing up. I was worried we'd lose you.
Thanks, Brian. Applications run against my grain, but I worked through it.
I think it's where there's smoke there's fire. The info doesn't have to be (and most likely is not) coming from the Sixers organization. They have to be in discussions w/ other teams to move, that's probably where the info is coming from.
I hope this Jeff Goodman from ESPN has shit sources. This is his final mock:
3
Julius Randle
Philadelphia 76ers (19 - 63)
COLLEGE: Kentucky
HT: 6-9
WT: 234
POS: PF
Sixers GM Sam Hinkie has the most difficult decision in the draft. Does he take an injured Embiid a year after taking Nerlens Noel? Does he roll the dice on Dante Exum, even though Michael Carter-Williams is a similar player? I'm hearing Julius Randle is in play for this pick -- if Philly keeps it.
Who did he say Philadelphia would take at 10?
One would think that if Hinkie did take Randle at #3, he would surely trade Thad for a third 1st rounder, but I guess sports writers aren't comfortable projecting that far into the unknown.
Staus
Yes, if the Sixers don't make draft day trades and end up with Randle and Stauskas as the first rounders, this evening will be leave a sour taste to most unless they manage to obtain a Mark Price, Nick Van Excel, Jeff Hornacek, Michael Redd, Manu Ginobilli, Dennis Rodman, or Bill Laimbeer with #32.
The asking price for the No. 1 pick is as high as picks Nos. 3, 10, and 32 from the Sixers, Tom Moore of the Courier Times tweets. If Philly stays at No. 3, meanwhile, Dante Exum will likely be their choice.
Technically speaking, we are past the 1pm CT deadline where teams can officially trade picks, but the Cavs can draft someone for the Sixers or another club to complete a trade.
So if they were to give up those picks, take Wiggins #1, then trade Thad for Nash and #7, that would be a great haul, imo. I'd include MCW in the Laker deal if Embiid, Smart or Randle were still available at #7. I say pull the trigger.
I'm not a fan of Smart, just a personal thing, Randles reviews have been all over the place since this draft nonsense started so I'm not even sure what to think just yet.
I still think if you're saving the lakers all that nash money - you shouldn't have to give them two players - no matter who is available
"I still think if you're saving the lakers all that nash money - you shouldn't have to give them two players - no matter who is available"
I completely agree with this, but I'd go to 2 players if it was one of those three I was getting in return...well, maybe no Randle. But I'd do it if Smart was my target because I'd never want to see MCW and Smart on the floor at the same time and Embiid is just so tantalizing. If it was Randle I might just offer Thad.
My main point here is if you can turn #3, #10, #32 and Thad into the guy you've wanted from day one plus another of the top eight in the draft, that's a huge fucking win.
Well if Smart was their target from day one (has there been anything to say such a thing, cause I'd be disappointed if it were true). Honestly of the three names you mention the only guy I like is Embiid to give up Thad and Mcw.
And again, if they love Wiggins, go get him, I don't love Wiggins that much.
What's weird is to compare Andrew Wiggins upside to a guy who hasn't even become a full player yet (George). Not saying that it's wrong or anything, but since Paul George probably isn't done reaching his 'upside' how can one say Wiggins upside is George unless it's George today, which i wouldn't do back flips over personally...his game still needs a lot of work
I was saying Wiggins was their target from day one. And I never said his ceiling was George.
Then why compare him to Paul George as you did earlier today?
And you believe that before Embiid's foot injury they still preferred Wiggins? I hope not personally
PS
The Cavs are talking with the Kings, Celtics, and Sixers about the No. 1 pick but not the Wolves or Magic at this stage
I responded to someone else comparing him to Paul George. I think it was Tray who said something like "Even if he was guaranteed to be Paul George, I wouldn't trade that much for him."
My bad, misunderstood what I was reading.
I just don't think that unless he's a guaranteed lock to be a top 10 player in the league (and he ain't since he's got huge holes) that any player would be worth two top 10 picks PLUS and getting in bidding war.
No one but Lebron has been a lock to reach that level before he was drafted. Wiggins has the best chance in this draft, and probably the last four of reaching that level.
If the Sixers gave them both Thad and MCW, the Sixers should at least get either Kendall Marshall or Jordan Hill if they can somehow arrange for a sign and trade of Hill after July 1.
I'd be fine w/ that, but wouldn't walk away from the deal if it was the sticking point. Doubt either one of those guys would figure into the future of the team.
That would also be a good outcome if one wanted to force Hinkie's hands to sign players after July 1st.
I'm assuming the team will waive Richardson and Moultrie, maybe resign Sims, and possibly keep Mullens because he has a cheap player option. That would leave them with the following:
Wiggins
#7 pick ( probably Smart if MCW traded)
maybe one of the remaining second rounders
Nash
Noel
Wroten
Sims
Mullens
Despite the potential, that's a roster with some holes. If Nash isn't on the active roster (probable), they would have to sign at least 5 players depending upon what they decide to do with some team options.
Luckily the free agent market seems fairly stocked with power forwards and point guard this year.
Yeah, there would be work to do to put something on the floor this season. Long term, the team would look like this:
Wiggins
Noel
#7
Boatloads of cap space. To me, that's a better place than:
Exum
MCW
Noel
Gordon
Don't they have boatloads of cap space coming up any time soon in either scenario?
They don't have any need for 'boatloads' of capspace this off season unless Lebron says 'hey i'll come play with you'.
Yes, they'll have cap space either way. They might even be able to use it to get a star if they've grown one of their own.
This off season they won't have a 'grown' star then...so having boatloads of cap space this off season don't mean much :)
Kevin Durant is an unrestricted free agent in 2016...coincidentally when Thaddeus Young expires, and every player who has a contract past that year (currently on the roster) is on a team option.
To me that's a realistic target year and player, I could see Durant coming here if he felt he could win here. And that gives young guy two more seasons to develop...
So - no rush to add cap space- and no rush to sign anyone long term this off season unless you think they can help you recruit and win with Durant
I'm beginning to warm up to your vision especially since the free agent market has multiple decent power forward and point guard options and I don't want Exum or Gordon and I have no problem seeing MCW go elsewhere.
The big obstacle in my mind though is that I'm not sure why getting those extra things would be worth so much to Cleveland unless they really, really wanted Embiid but wanted some consolation for having to wait for him.
Saw Chad Ford say if Cleveland picks Jabari #1, it probably means they traded it to Orlando (which doesn't seem as likely now). If they take Wiggins it means they're keeping the pick, or they've got a deal with the Sixers.
If they take Wiggins and we take Embiid, I bet there's a trade in place.
I really don't like Julius Randle. I've gone out of my way to watch a lot of Kentucky games last season and I just couldn't get myself to like him. He's physically limited, his shots look unnatural, and he seems like a guy that will have 5 or 10 good games when everything comes together. I wouldn't make the MCW, Thad for #7 trade if he was the best player available.
If my team's medical staff said there was a good chance that Embiid would be fully healthy in 1 or 2 years, I would take him #3. I don't mind waiting
He was good when it mattered: in the NCAA tournament.
What's everyone's odds for the following things tonight
1. Sixers trade Up to #1
2. Sixers get #7 without giving up 3 or 10
3. Sixers move down
4. Sixers get a late first round pick with their 5 second round picks.
5. Sixers pick 3 or more players in the second round
6. Kevin Love gets trade
Good questions:
1) I'm thinking 30% chance they move up to #1.
2) If they get it, they won't give up a pick. 40% chance they get #7 w/out giving up a pick.
3) 10% they move down from #3.
4) 25% they package 2nd rounders for a late first.
5) 75% chance they take 3 or more 2nd round players. 100% chance they draft and then trade at least one in the 2nd round.
6) 50% chance Love gets traded tonight, or at least it's announced tonight.
100% chance Hinkie makes at least one move that seems (and probably is) completely pointless.
Bitter, so very bitter, and just a year ago you were very excited by Mr Hinkie :)
(if i could shake my head sadly with an image or something i would do so ;) )
I don't think #1 or #2 happen, I say there's a 45% chance they moved down, from 10, 50% chance they package 2nd rounders for a later first, 50% chance they draft 3 second rounders (95% chance two of them are stash players)
No ideas on love, it seems like if the warriors include Thompson it's done, and they're split over there...and of course ANdre Iguodala says no
I'd do it if I were them. Thompson is good, but Love is more disruptive as a running mate for Curry. If they could get a slasher at the two, they'd be really hard to defend.
1. 3 to 1
2. 5 to 1
3. zero
4. 1 to 1000
5. 1 to 5
6. 2 to 1
Good questions, GoSixers!
1) I'd say definitely below equally likely: maybe 20%. For this to work, Cleveland would have to strongly prefer Embiid over the other two and do this just to get additional compensation for having to wait a year for him. I also don't know whether the Sixers have what it takes to interest Cleveland. For example, Utah's reported proposal looked better to me that what the Sixers can offer.
2) Maybe equally likely: 50%. Lakers haven't shown a great deal of interest in building through the draft most years. If they could get Thad and MCW, they might pull the trigger. They really do need numbers on their roster.
3) Not likely: 10% or less. I don't see much motivation for that.
4) Low: 20% or less. If #32 is gone in another deal there would seem to be no chance of pulling this off.
5) Picking is high; keeping is virtually 0%.
6) 50% or better. Love looks like a lame duck and the longer the Wolves wait the more desperate they will become.
I also don't know whether the Sixers have what it takes to interest Cleveland. For example, Utah's reported proposal looked better to me that what the Sixers can offer.
It's simple to trump this, take Embiid at #3, then Utah's offer loses most of its value. The #5 turns into Vonleh rather than Embiid.
Well, I think I like Exum's suit better than Wiggins'.
Someone on ESPN LA radio just said it looks like a cat vomited on his jacket
When in doubt, pick the better foul shooter.
If I'm picking, Gordon is out of on that fundamental account. Free throws matter, accrueitively.
Is Staus Canadian too? Wiggins and Stuas would've been perfect if only Embiid's foot had held up for another week.
Yeah, from ontario, and he'll be 21 in october
I wonder what Steve Toll will be doing tonight. Probably screaming at his dog or something.
There's only one thing that makes my girlfriend want to commit violence against people - it's cruelty to animals
Not a Vick fan, huh?
not as a human being or a football player, ever
I'm glad '7' is a Jet, losers since Richard Todd and Wesley Walker and Joe Klecko.
@WojYahooNBA Barring an 11th hour offer, Cleveland plans to keep No. 1 pick and choose between Andrew Wiggins and Jabari Parker, source tells Yahoo.
Is the choice that tenuous? Is the organization that bad? I'd hope they'd know by this hour.
Various reports are that they're split again, like they were last year, owner wants Wiggins, rest of front office wants Parker. The owner probably has his stupid playoff mandate again, front office drafting for job, so they want to take the guy nba ready, owner can't fire himself so he can push the less ready higher upside guy cause missing the playoffs doesn't cost him his job. Owner was the guy who pushed Bennett last year reportedly. It's a poorly run organization yes, think Dallas Cowboys...with less money and class
Maybe Gilbert's support of Wiggins means he doesn't have a mandate this year, after seeing how that worked out last year.
Or maybe his support of Wiggins is an indication he can't fire himself.
Well I'm sure he's been told that Wiggins will not advance their playoff hopes much next season, and that Parker really would.
Brian
Is it safe to assume you think Kevin Pelton isn't really that good at analysis?
Not supposed to be posted as a response to Tray
On that subject, the stats people at canis hoopius have written that the players who tend to overperform their statistical projections from college numbers are the big-time athletes. DeRozan, for instance, has become a pretty decent NBA player after putting up really lackluster numbers at USC. That's the example I remember, anyway.
Dei Lynam is reporting that the sixers have indeed offered 3,10, and 32.
Can't have a news delivery without 'indeed' in it these days. Has grown like a fungus. It's an important word. :)
Indeed, the sixers will draft Embiid
Nice rhyme, strong content - A+.
Enjoy the fireworks, fellas!
starting to think they take embiid over exum but what do i know?
So as it looks like we're not trading up, my pre-draft thoughts on the options at 3:
If we draft Embiid, it probably means his medical reports aren't so bad. Hinkie knows more than we do about Embiid's health, so I don't see how we can object if he goes that way. Virtually every scout out there sees Embiid as the most talented prospect in the draft by a long shot. If his long-term prognosis is good, as picking him at 3 would suggest, getting him would be a massive success.
If we draft Exum, I'd be pretty happy. Again, the Sixers know a lot more about him than we do; they've seen him work out, while we've just seen game tape from a year ago, they've seen all his Australian games on film, Brett Brown's coached him. He seems to have about as much talent as any of the big-name combo guards who've gone high in recent years. None of them were great shooters at 18 either, and who knows what his jump shot looks like right now after 12 months of training? I also find the superlative results in psych testing really encouraging. He seems to be an extremely confident, but not at all arrogant player who other guys like to play with.
Vonleh would be a major disappointment; to me he only projects as an above-average starter at one of the more stacked positions in the league. Maybe he can be the third best player on a contender, but by himself he's not going to advance the rebuild very far. And unlike the other two, we know about as much about Vonleh as the Sixers do, so if they pick him it's harder to just bow to their superior knowledge.
i dont think the new comment thing is working
it keeps saying 0 new comments when i know there is at least 1 new comment
It hasn't work on my mac with firefox basically since implementation :)
Works real well on my phone but never on the computer.
its always worked on my laptop
havent noticed til now when it stopped
If CLE is still on the fence about who they'll pick (as reported), yet turned down 3,10, and 32, they really are a mess.
Not at all. What if they strongly believe that this is a 2-player draft, even as they disagree on who's #1? There are also reports we wouldn't give them that.
This is Cleveland we're talking about.
I don't know. Their behavior seems to be consistent with 3 reasonable views: Exum is an unknown, Embiid's too risky, Wiggins and Parker have very different strengths and weaknesses and are about on par with each other.
Oh, and a fourth reasonable view: no one at 10 is adequate value for the dropoff from Wiggins/Parker to unknown/health risk. Which I totally buy if you buy 1-3.
dx has vonleh falling to 10
For has the Sixers with Embiid and Vonleh in his latest mock.
Woj reports that Vonleh is falling and will go no earlier than 7.
I think someone needs to come up with a sort of technology that allows you to mute specific voices on the tv, I'd like to hear Silver make the announcements - but Bilas, Rose, Simmons - that's a guaranteed ear bleeding night.
So - last licks folks - who are the sixers picking at #3.
I think it's Embiid, I think the agent holding on to the medical records only to the sixers is a positive sign regarding those bone density issues (just a gut feeling I had driving home.)
If not Embiid, I say Exum and I bet the sixers know more about him than any other team in the league.
Reports are that
A. Cleveland knows finally who they are going to pick
B. Not sure if they are keeping it yet though (supposedly the GM sent a text to Andy Katz)
Embiid or Exum. I'm good with either.
embiid
Jay Bilas on Jabari Parker
"He's not an alert or willing defender right now".
If Jay Bilas is down on a duke players performance, he must SUCK at it
Please, please
Parker at #3 (if not, Wiggins is a fine consolation)
Stauskas at #10 (I want this guy on the Sixers really, really bad. McDermott would be fine here too.)
Sleepers who I'd like to see us get but just not sure where they should be taken -
TJ Warren and Markel Brown
Shabazz Napier and Jarnell Stokes
DeAndre Daniels and DeAndre Kane
and PJ Hairston
Wiggins sounds dumb. "Can't be concerned about other people's guhhhlsandeshpectations."
And Parker sounds like a 10 year vet wise with experience.
Well he did academically qualify to go to Duke right?
So did Kyrie. We're not like Princeton, as far as I know you just have to meet the NCAA minimums.
Sense of humor obviously not required
Well I mean English isn't his first language, it's Canadian
I would have loved to hear Wiggins talk in hockey-speak: "oh ya know...uh....the boys are all ready".
A reporter with Canada's Sportsnet, Michael Grange, recently tweeted that:
League sources: Philly making a big push -- picks 3,10, 32 & NEXT yrs 1st & Thad Young for Cleveland for No. 1 and Wiggins.
Can't be true.
it isnt
the cavs will make up anything
Reese doing the job of making sure Jonny Manziel is talked about on ESPN as much as possible - well done Reese - you'll get your bonus cookie
Anyone know why BJ Armstrong looked like he was sitting at Jabari's table? Is he working for an agent or something?
Yes bj Armstrong is an agent
He is an agent
http://hoopshype.com/agents/bj_armstrong.htm
Yes bj Armstrong is a agent
dont get attached to anyone they draft tonight cause there is a decent chance some of them are traded(especially the 2nd rounders)
So - Will the cavs burn the whole 5 minutes or just make the pick early? I say they build the drama
they will take the whole 5 minutes encase they get a last second offer
MCW's in attendance.
I hope he's wearing another team's hat at some point tonight.
OK, all those losses were for the next 15 minutes. Do what you have to do.
If Wiggins goes #1 and Embiid goes to us, they pulled the trigger on a deal. That's my take.
My take will be that the sixers took advantage of an injury that will heal and drafted who they felt was the best prospect in the draft.
Kind of like last year :)
Kudos to ESPN for not picking some idiotic trendy and possibly inappropriate pop song
All of a sudden everyone seems to agree that the draft order will be Wiggins, Parker, Embiid, Exum.
That works for me...either way.
Hey Look it's lex luthor junior oh wait that's Adam Silver giving a rather boring speech
Come on, come on, come on!!!
Don't make me pull this car over
Twitter says they're taking Wiggins.
I think if it was going to be traded it would have leaked before time ran out
I don't think so. The Nerlens trade wasn't announced at the time.
Jalen is a fucking idiot.
And this is a tough crowd to stand out in too
This panel of commentators is just really dismal.
+1 Simmons is ugh
The whole table is terrible
Yes. Bilas thinks Randle is a better prospect than Exum.
He has vonleh at #3 on his board. Exum is all hype.
Well Randle played in the SEC and Exum didn't play in the US in college - so obviously.
Bilas biases are not as bad as Vitales - but they are pretty obvious
Bilas's equation for rating prospects is, like, America * wingspan + POINTZ
Woj tweets it's Wiggins and Parker, 1 and 2.
Aaaaaaaaaand........................................... with the first pick in the 2014 NBA the cleveland cavaliers select Andrew Wiggins.
Let the hate twits about his jacket begin
Please don't get comfortable in that hat.
Chad Ford just tweeted that Cleveland will not trade the pick. I guess in your eyes this makes Gilbert a really smart amateur GM. Supposedly the front office wanted Parker.
ford says they arent trading wiggins
fuck Ford. keep it to yourself.
That's a smokescreen because they want Embiid to drop to 5 so they can trade w/ Utah.
For some reason I never knew Patrick Ewing was foreign born
Wish we could have the 1 or 2 pick
Even on Twitter Dan Gilbert comes off terrible
So clearly Wiggins didn't get his inability to enunciate from his parents.
NOW it gets interesting
Shit
Parker #2.
Two man draft, on the outside looking in. Just so Hinkie could maximize Turner and Hawes' trade value.
I'm turning it off if they take Exum here.
You didn't like the carter-williams pick either did you?
Nope. Thought he'd be a PG who can't shoot. I was so wrong.
Sigh...at this point I hope the sixers take Exum
It's a one-superstar draft.
It's a zero superstar draft
Come on, what does Embiid lack to be a superstar, besides health?
Has a superstar ever played a college season w/out scoring 20 points in a game?
I'm not sure, let's look at Olajuwon's freshman game log.
Olajuwon averaged 8 a game his freshman season so it wouldn't be surprising.
Did he break 20 once?
I don't know where that info is. He had a better freshman season than Olajuwon did.
Wasn't Hakeem playing w/ Sampson his freshman year?
Wasn't Embiid playing with the presumptive #1 pick?
Embiid averaged 19.4/14.5/4.5 blocks per 40 minutes and you're seriously criticizing his production?
He didn't score 20 points in a game
That's important you know
I'm criticizing the fact that he couldn't stay on the floor for more than 25 minutes. Whatever, we've got him for the moment, better than Exum. Hope the trade happens in a minute or two, if not, I think Embiid has a bright future if he's healthy.
Wow you really don't know much about college basketball history, do you? NO!!! Ralph Sampson played at Virginia and Hakeem played at Houston.
Hakeem did play with Clyde Drexler, Robert Williams, and Larry Micheaux though during his freshman year. Akeem was very raw as a redshirt freshman but he was still a difference maker when he came in. During the tournament national semis, North Carolina (with Worthy, Perkins, and a freshman Michael Jordan) got off to a 10-0 lead. Then Houston brought freshman Hakeem (Akeem in those days) and the game really changed. Houston was down by only 2 at half.
Well you know, Wiggins is the next Drexler.
Heh. I went to Virginia, too.
And the pick is
Joel Embiid
I think if healthy he'll be the best player out of the draft...have a lot of superstars picked up the game later than Sam Dalembert did?
If they don't trade for Wiggins, I hope he doesn't turn into a superstar.
Sixers should take embiid if the staff feels he can recover from his injuries.
now the fun begins
Fuck MIL
Still think if they take Embiid the trade is on.
woj doesnt even know who they are taking
Hinkie's too strong for Woj's psychic powers.
Lol ... sixers front office is like the mob lol
Embiid!
The trade could be on.
He looks psyched.
Embiid
Is Embiid on a delay? or was he just that pissed off he got selected by us? heh
Going with satellite delay
Doesn't look to happy
Or maybe it was on a delay - cause he seems happy now
Embiid
Noel
?
Staus
MCW
for the first time in September 2015.
This player comp feature is annoying.
brian, you will enjoy the magic's pick
Smart, Gordon or Exum?
Not a point guard
gordon
Silver's gonna announce the trade at like pick #6. It's been sent to the league, now they have to approve it.
Middle of college season I commented that I liked him #1. But I started to sour on him with the back injury deal and the foot injury scares the hell out of me. See Walton and Yao. Not sure what to think or if he even stays with us.
The Noel pick was analyzed for nearly half an hour about him playing along side Anthony Davis before it was announced he was traded for Jrue.
Utah looks like the AUstralian outback - good pick
Ford says the next two picks are Gordon and Exum.
HAHAHAHA!!!!!! Good work. Enjoy sitting him the entire fourth quarter when the game is close. Junkyard Dog!
Was JYD even a bigtime athlete?
He was an awesome wrestler
He was a spaz defender, which is what this guy is going to top out as.
Gordon can supposedly pass and handle and mmmmaybe make a three.
This pick just seems odd - I mean there are higher rated point guards - are they afraid of insulting the great and powerful Jameer?
After all the talk they were either taking Smart or Exum. I think they'll regret this.
or they'll just pick up one of the 25 good PGs in the league via trade or free agency.
Yup - 25 good PG's in the league - which is why every team has a good starting point guard...like the Heat, or the Bucks...
We can go through the list if you want, and then we can probably add 3 or 4 from this draft. 25 isn't an exaggeration.
Sure, go ahead, knock yourself out
in no particular order:
1. paul
2. rondo
3. wall
4. rose
5. westbrook
6. parker
7. lin
8. lawson
9. rubio
10. holiday
11. mcw
12. curry
13. lowry
14. calderon
15. deron
16. conley
17. dragic
18. bledsoe
19. lillard
20. teague
21. nash?
plus 3-4 this year. You can win with just about any of those guys, and probably 15 of them will make your team better.
Oh, you can win with MCW now?
With shooters around him and someone else as the primary scoring option? Sure. He's going to be a good defensive PG, you just have to get the right pieces to go around him.
Take out lin & Nash at this point in his career and that's a hell of a list
For the record, I'm happy with this pick whether the trade for Wiggins happens or not. They took a shot at a guy with superstar potential, rather than taking the shiny Australian object and settling.
I would have been happy if they picked the 'shiny australian'
brick city.
Right, I forgot, your complete knowledge of all aspects of the game of a kid who ain't 19 yet...he'll never improve either probably
Well, the great Hinkie passed on him, right? Even w/ Mr. Australia as his coach. No one knew more about him than the Sixers, and they took the guy w/ the broken foot.
Yeah, we took the best big-man prospect in 7 years, and our team reportedly thinks the foot is a non-issue. So that's proof we don't think much of Exum.
The guy with the broken foot was the #1 prospect in the draft until his broken foot, and they probably feel his foot will heel 100% and they got lucky to be able to pick him like they were lucky to pick Noel last year, due to injury.
This is more pointless than your 'he didn't score 20' assertion - I know you're not behaving like this just as an 'act', I just wish you were...this keeps up, it won't be a fun place to read any more
Why does anyone care if I think Exum is all hype based on the fact that he didn't play against anyone so his warts weren't exposed? Why is that more outrageous than Tray saying "Exum is going to be one of the quickest PGs in the league." with nothing, at all, to back that up?
Anyway, it doesn't matter. I hope he does well in Utah, I'm glad we didn't waste the pick on him.
Exum's really quick, what's outrageous about that? He's quick on tape, the scouts say he's quick, he won the combine speed drills.
If by "one of the quickest" you meant he was about 22nd among PGs in the league in the agility drill at the combine, then technically, you're right.
@JakePavorsky Sixers apparently found no red flags with Embiid's medical records. Feel the foot is a non-issue.
A non-issue? Wow.
i guess they think that this surgery will fix it
The injury itself didn't concern me (and comparisons to other big men who had chronic injuries in other areas or in other ways were just lazy comparisons), it was the rumors of the bone density issues that worried me, and I figured if they saw no long term problems looming, they'd pick him...another opportunity based on too many folk thinking short term
Come on Vonleh - you can slip - right?
Enjoy the lack of floor spacing, Utah.
Smart at 6, Woj says.
randle 7 says ford
Sixers thought Bynum was going to suit up & that didn't happen. I'm going to be positive though I believe embiid will workout for the best.
Knees are much different than feet - don't start making comparisons that aren't real.
Regardless the staff thought Bynum was going to play & he didn't that was the point I was making
I don't think they were 100% - they thought there was a shot - knees are a pain in the ass - i've had bad knees my whole life.
Plus - it was an entirely different staff :)
I'm not even thinking about Bynum in this thing at all
Didn't realize it was a new staff my bad.
Sacramento will take Payton or Stauskas. What do they have against Isaiah Thomas?
he's now saying stauskas at 8
But he doesn't have 7 yet (vonleh?)
randle is going 7th
I forgot Isiah above. You can add him to the list.
Which is why sacramento can't wait to not sign him
Who punches who first, Rondo or Smart?
Woj says Sacto is choosing between Payton and Stauskas.
Is Vonleh really going to be at 10? That seems unlikely doesn't it?
I think it's happening. Jordan will take McDermott.
Stauskas 8th
Please don't let SAC take Stauskas. Please.
All your favorite players going off the board : (
Already done
Embiid tweets:
Hello Philly!!!! This is my real "Just got drafted" face. Couldnt be happier to be a 76er!!! pic.twitter.com/asA5nGBRUD
So I'm not clear on how Embiid, Noel and Vonleh play together.
They'd be friggin giants. They should get a big shooting guard and do nothing but post people up all game.
Isn't there a former #2 overall who might be available?
Nerlens Noel - sixth man of the year
No trades announced yet. It was around pick #9 when the Noel trade was announced last year, right?
No trades have been announced since the draft started
So is vonleh a steal at 10?
yes i think
Fuck, I hope they trade Nik to us. Man....
Vonleh or McDermott.
kinda want to trade down
You'd pass on Vonleh?
Yes.
I saw that the Hornets were picking 9th and I was confused for a minute
Don't really want Vonleh, he just seemed such a plodder ala Turner. Maybe he'll pan out though.
Bilas says Stauskas isn't just a shooter over highlights that make him look like he's just a shooter.
They've taken Mclemore, Jimmer and now Stauskus. Think they got it right this time.
So if Vonleh goes here, do we take McDermott?
I hope not
Can't see CHA taking Vonleh after just taking Cody Zeller.
Except that they did
Yeah... isn't Stauskas a much worse defender and athlete than McLemore, while only being a little better of a shooter? McLemore shot 42% his freshman season and made 73 threes.
I know it's just tape & I don't follow college basketball but McDermott looks like dirk on tape
I'd be happy with him. I'd just love to have one deadly shooter on the team. Just one. And hopefully he doesn't turn out to be Kapono
Wonder if we've made a deal to send MCW to Sacramento and they picked Nik for us?
Let it go dude, let it go...
ford says Vonleh going 9th
TRADE!!!!!!!!!!!
I think Vonleh at 10 is a really good value....
Jordan takes Vonleh. Nevermind. OK, so are we looking at McDermott? Please don't be Harris.
Vonleh gone, now i definitely trade back
Wow Vonleh it is.
McDermott!!! McDermott!!!!
Pull the trigger Sam. Pull it
I don't think there's any way he does, but I would.
Unathletic white shooters are pretty plentiful
Kyle Korver was picked at what, 50?
Where Joe Harris will go.
taking saric would be really funny
I think we'll trade down or take Saric.
Totally forgot Saric - yes - take Saric
If your hope to string together 3 or 4 straight years of less than 20 wins?
if = is
I see him as a poor man's Turkoglu, rich man's Diaw.
Harris? Bleh. Trade back if that's what you're thinking. Trade back and take Lavine.
Most trade options for #1 reported in the media were (surprisingly) totally inaccurate
Take Lavine or McDermott.
Yes, it's Saric.
No it's not - the tweet said they looked hard at it - and passed
Aaaaaaaaand.....Payton?
Now THIS pick is being traded for someone. Right?? He's worse than MCW.
Payton Huh
So, is MCW traded already? Hmmmnnn
woah!
trade?
Awesome. They just got another PG who can't shoot!
" Although he attempted just 3.2 jump shots in the half court per-game, the 4th least in this sample of players, he made a group low 25.7% of those attempts. His 18.2% conversion rate on catch and shoot jump shots obviously leaves a lot to be desired..."
Or did they just make the pick for someone else?
Just curious
Do you all think players are unable to improve anything once they enter the NBA?
Just because Evan Turner couldn't do it doesn't make it unlikely - for instance - Jrue Holiday and Thaddeus Young both became better shooters over time
This is a junior with the following shooting stats:
Although he attempted just 3.2 jump shots in the half court per-game, the 4th least in this sample of players, he made a group low 25.7% of those attempts. His 18.2% conversion rate on catch and shoot jump shots obviously leaves a lot to be desired...
I think at some point it's better to not have to turn water into wine with every perimeter player you choose.
McDermott going to Denver
It seems your presumption on every picked not named Wiggins tonight is that they are all limited at something and won't ever get better.
Actually, I think Embiid is going to improve dramatically. I think Lavine is really going to blossom. I like Stauskus, think he'll surprise a lot of people. Wouldn't be surprised at all if Smart becomes an All Star, despite the shot. What I'm not doing, however, is assuming that players will take terrible weaknesses and turn them into strengths. It doesn't happen all that often. And going from really good to great is much easier than going from terrible to above average.
Well I agree with Embiid (and hence why even with all the footage and knowledge I didn't think them taking him third meant that they didn't like Exum) not sure about the rest...
But guys can get better...plus - I don't think Hinkie plans to keep Payton around
Havlicek, Gary Payton, Michael Cooper
Hahahahaha everybody was wrong
Sixers thinking you don't need shooting if you have great defense?
@WojYahooNBA: Elfrid Payton could be on the move, sources tell Yahoo Sports
Elfrid Payton could be on the move, sources tell Yahoo Sports.
Libertyballers tweets Payton could be moved with Thad. A nice package. But what are we moving it for? The Bulls have two first-rounders and Rose is supposedly healthy. The Suns have two picks and have two point guards.
Randle? To LA? Seems like a steep price.
They had to pick that guy for someone else? Wonder who the possibilities could be?
I love how ESPN desk guys know nothing about the sixers "Future of the team". You are idiots
Orlando?
McDermott to Denver, huh?
Above, I mean is Payton going to Orlando in a trade?
You mean 4 and 12 for Payton and Thad?
That would explain the rather odd pick the magic made at 4?
Some speculation that we flip Payton and Thad for Stauskas.
I could definitely live with that. Though I thought Thad alone was worth the #8 pick. Wow, he would only be worth moving up two spots.
We didn't work out staus, if that means anything.
Charlotte didn't work out Vonleh
Damn it I need it to be August 1st already
McDermott to the Bulls - for 16 and 19
Thibs is going to love him.
Tom Moore confirms this may be happening.
@sam_amick: I'm told Doug McDermott will head to Chicago via trade with Denver. Getting more details now.
for 16 and 19
For 16 and 19, says Ford. That's the trade I always wanted.
That's right Doug - aim high - Wally Szerbiack
Fuck McDermott to the Bulls for their 2 picks. Thanks Sam
McDermott's being moved already.
Why wouldn't we take McDermott and make that same exact trade?
Levine to the t'wolves at 13
@SpearsNBAYahoo With the 12th pick, the Magic select Dario Saric for a trade.
Thad + Payton for Gordon + Saric?
@daldridgetnt: Magic will take Dario Saric at 12, but are likely to trade him to the Sixers for the rights to Elfrid Payton
the magic have to give up more, right?
Could they give us Andrew Nicholson, or Fournier?
The Magic wouldn't get burned by taking a foreign guy again. So it seems more likely that we just drafted Aaron Gordon and Saric for Payton and ?
Who knows. I have a feeling it's smaller than that. Like Payton for Saric and future 2nd rounder.
Fuck. It's Saric to the Sixers for Payton. What else are they getting in the deal?
Mr Bodner
The top prospect in the 2015 NBA draft, Jahlik Okafor, is a center, in case you’re wondering.
#2 is Larry Brown-coached Emmanuel Mudiay, a PG.
Impatience is not a virtue
Someone is saying it's future pick swaps, including a 2017 first rounder. No idea.
If this is right, I'm confused and worried
Saric had been the Sixers choice, and finally called Magic to offer Elfrid Payton with 30 seconds left on the clock, league source said.
Why is ESPN incapable of reporting on developing trades? Why does Chad Ford play no role in the broadcast?
Chad Ford has a face for the internet, and isn't all that good with the mic.
They really only report trades after they are agreed upon it seems
Simmons has a face for the internet and is probably just as bad with the mic.
Chad Ford is uglier than Simmons
(Dear Adidas, desperate aren't you? all these commercials for a guy going to Utah)
Whoops - foot locker
I have a feeling he'll be a pretty popular player.
@ZachLowe_NBA Appears Philly will get be getting back the 2017 1st Orlando got in the Howard deal, per sources.
@ZachLowe_NBA Magic are getting a 2015 2nd-rounder from Philly, owned by Sixers.
@ZachLowe_NBA Those are the tentative pick transactions for now in PHI/ORL. Things could still change.
Less concerned now. Recovering own pick, getting the guy you wanted anyway? That I like
and now this
@KBergCBS Philadelphia gets Orlando's 2017 first-round pick, 1-11 protected, in Saric-Payton deal. Pick is 1-8 protected in 2018.
Wow, what a valuable asset. Jeebus.
Not saying that isn't right
but there was a lot of confusion about the Pelicans pick last year when the trade was immediately done - took some time to realize it was as nice as it was
@WojYahooNBA Along with Dario Saric, Orlando will send a 2015 second-round pick to the Sixers, league source said.
TJ Warren to Phoenix
OK, well if they're basically saying we're going to suck for years to come, they probably needed to get that first rounder back.
How many commercials is exum going to do?
It would have been cool if the Sixers told MCW they weren't trading him and were picking for Orlando.
It would have been cool if ESPN didn't ambush him immediately after the pick was made so they could have called him first...
I find this whole thing funny.
Anyway, I think my work here is done. See you guys for the lottery drawing next May.
So the #10 pick was supposed to put us over the top?
We got our potential franchise guy at #3. I don't think the plan is to keep sucking balls for three more years.
This kind of pisses me off. We took a guy that is likely not to play next year in Embiid. And another guy that isn't going to come over for two years.
So we're like tk76 used to always say when we were mediocre - we're three years away from being three years away. What a fucking joke!
Liberty ballers says he has a buyout clause that allows him to come over after one year.
Nothing against you but
Whooppeee!! We're only two years away from being three years away. Saric's coming over after one year!!! Yay!!
Wish we would have taken Warren now if we weren't going to take a small forward THAT CAN PLAY NOW with either of our picks. I love TJ.
So do you like McDaniels? Draftexpress's mock draft says he'll be available at 32. Don't know why his stock has fallen.
Yeah I do like him. Watched him a ton in college since his freshman year. Just worry about whether he can develop enough of a shot to be a threat with his impeccable driving ability.
Impatience is not a virtue
It's a shame so many people want to cut off their noses to spite their faces just to return to the 8 seed
So we traded down for nothing? And get to wait TWO years for a big this tme!
I like the Payton kid. He's got moxie. "I run my team."
cant rush a rebuild
it sucks it has to be done this way but thats the way it is
When the 2016/2017 roster trots out opening night with Kevin Durant - they'll be back, and they'll pretend that they knew it all along
No, it really isn't.
That's right - you could do it better
BTW
In the Saric-Payton Jr., deal, Sixers also get back the first-round pick sent to Magic in Dwight Howard deal -- likely 2017, source said.
Well that's one silver lining to the cloud. Wonder if Hinkie will still be around to make that pick? After tonight, I hope not.
tell me how you are getting a superstar
They drafted him - at #3
How about just getting players with good potential who will actually play? That's not asking too much is it?
Draft the best player available that is going to help you in the long term - not just thinking about one season.
he shouldnt take a lesser player cause he can play right now
Yes he should because he owes the fans a mediocre first round playoff loss.....OWES THEM
Not too late to sign Bynum.
except all rebuilds aren't successful and happen in a short amount of time.
You're just being nice or excusing this laughable fucked up way they're going about it.
Yeah it's short term but asset accumumlation doesn't equate instant contender ala getting a superstar.
They'll still be shuffling deck chairs like this in 4-5 years from now and will be lucky to be that dreaded 8th seed again around 2018-2019.
I am truly amazed at how fans can still remain blindly optimistic about this method. It's failed way more times than not. And these guys running the team are trying to win the title of making a mockery of it. Mockery of the tear it down and build it back up method; and mockery of the game itself. This is bullshit.
Amen!
So many people here who should be GMs
Saric's trade value will rise as he continues to dominate the Adriatic. I don't see the rush to be an 8th seed.
I don't understand the complacency about another 19-63 season either.
Well first off, you don't know they're going to be 19-63, the off season just started and no one knows what's going to happen.
It's not complacency as I see it, it's an understanding that when you're the sixers, and you have a crappy night life, no tax benefits, and a fan base that doesn't encourage people to play here, you aren't going to get free agents who are good to come here (unless their wives force them to) until you have a base of quality players to pair them with. It's an understanding that you can't fix a house with so many cracks and bad add ons without tearing it down to the foundation. It's the understanding that there might be a plan in place to try and build a title contender as opposed to meandering between 6 and 8 and losing in the first round like that did for over a decade, and that requires a little short term pain - a season or two or possibly three until all the pieces materialize.
Envision the 2016 starting line up containing Kevin Durant - cause that's what I think the goal is - that's also Saric's rookie year.
So the best we can do is lock-in foreign players who likely won't be here for at least two years? I refuse to believe that. If I really did, I'd adopt another team. I would have been OK with Saric if they would have acquired a couple of other first rounders who would have made a contribution this year, but they didn't so I'm not.
Then please, adopt another team...I trust the sixers ability to evaluate talent better than yours. And the draft is about getting the best talent.
Were you this upset when the sixers got Nerlens Noel last year?
This rebuild isn't going to happen overnight. I would like for the sixers to be more than an 8th seed at best team so if that means we have to suck for another yr or 2 I'm with it.
Sam Hinkie literally undoing the mistakes Doug Collins made.
Sixers trade the #10 pick for the #12 pick (that they really wanted) recovers their 2017 draft pick given up for Andrew Bynum and gets a 2015 second rounder just for giggles that will probably be in the top 10 of the second round.
That really was awful
This rebuild isn't going to happen overnight. I would like for the sixers to be more than an 8th seed at best team so if that means we have to suck for another yr or 2 I'm with it.
alot of these little moves is to fix the mess doug collins made
If two more years of having 19 wins turns us into a legit championship contender I'm all for it. Gives time for LeBron melo etc to get a little older as well.
Alright, I'm going to go watch something funny, or uplifting, or paint dry. My deepest apologies for actually wanting to witness a worthwhile product being put on the floor in Philly. At least by the time Saric gets over here the team will be playing in Newark. Enjoy the pointless trades Hinkie pulls in the second round.
Is it really that bad lol
Yes, I think so, but I guess there's always the free agency season.
I think the sixers would be the same if they had drafted Wiggins
Such a shame you've moved into the category of the bitter spiteful hateful folk who would rather shoot to build a mediocre franchise then try and take a shot at building a title winner...guess we'll see you next May...right?
Yeah, well, sorry if I don't stand up and applaud when my GM shoots for putting the shittiest product possible on the floor...again. I enjoy watching quality basketball, that's not going to happen in this city for quite some time. Had Hinkie not fucked up with Turner and Hawes he could've added a player who would've immediately started the climb out of the abyss. Instead, he's signed up for two more years of it, minimum, before the climb out begins. So job well done, I guess we can see our diminutive owner cheering and calling another 19-win season a great success.
He didn't pick these guys because they were unavailable, he picked them because they were the best players available. He sure wasn't alone in his assessment of either, though I don't love Saric.
It's a happy accident that he gets to spit in the face of every fan who'd like to watch an actual NBA team play in Philadelphia this season.
If the plan works, and the sixers start to win in 2 years...please...don't come back
There's an obvious difference here between you (and maybe Tray) and most of the rest of us. You don't watch the Sixers games anyway so it doesn't really matter to you if they're just as shitty to watch next year as they were this year.
I actually watched some this year and plan on watching all of them next year.
You're right
1. I don't feel 'entitled' to anything as the fan of a sports team
2. I don't get overly emotional about sports teams I root for when they win or lose, cause, well, it's entertainment.
I enjoy discussing them but my life is not altered nor is my emotional health affected by whether they win or lose...
But yes, if it makes you feel better, you bitter petty angry people are much better fans than I am. I know a site, it's called philaphans.com - it's where your people gather.
So what would you have done at 3 and 10, assuming Cleveland wasn't biting on our trade offers? What would have made us an "actual" NBA team?
Well, we could have put players on the floor who could have started us on the road to improvement this year. That's not such an outrageous idea is it?
We're unlikely to get anything in free agency this season other than role players so we now have them, Thad, MCW, and Noel. That doesn't sound any better than this past season and Thad will likely opt out next summer and we'll get nothing for him.
What players who would sign here for free agency would help the sixers become a title contender in 2-3 years...name them.
Elton Brand?
Who (as was widely reported) had his wife pushing him to move to the east coast :)
I'm not claiming that we can. That's my point. That's why we could have used a couple of new rookies who would have played this year and provided some modest improvement and we could have traded Thad to get one of those and maybe something else.
Your certainty of fact is amazing...your psychic ability to know what would have happened if the sixers had ended up with #1 or #2 (I'm betting it still would have been Embiid and you still would be crying about it)...
If the sixers ended up at #2 and #10 I'm betting it would have worked out the same way (don't forget that the worst team in the league did not win the lottery).
As far as I'm concerned the difference between 2 and 3 was insignificant to them cause after they saw their medicals they wanted Embiid, so they would have taken him at 2.
Anyone who thought this was going to turn around in a year knows much less about how the NBA works than they thought.
Besides, I thought you had to go watch something uplifiting.
So now you're kicking me out, huh? I understand this is no skin off your back since you watch about two games a year, but believe it or not, it's OK to want your team to attempt to be good. It's OK to wish they'd find a way to turn things around quickly, it's even OK to expect them to have a sense of urgency after putting their fans through a year like they had last year. And I find it funny that you're mocking me for knowing what would've happened had they been #2, then you go on to say with certainty that you know what they would have done. But really, keep the faith. In Hinkie You Trust.
Who is this Lacy and why does her mom look like she's in college?
I LOVE this draft.
Silver is a classy guy. I'm glad my favorite sport isn't run by an ass like Goodell (or Emmert).
Agree, that was nice what they did for the Austin kid. Despise Emmert and Goodell too.
Ah, Betteman and SElig deserve to be in that mt rushmore of suck
I forgot the NHL existed. I understand the guy who runs FIFA is the worst.
This should make you guys even madder:
Per a source, Sixers offered Elfrid Payton and Thaddeus Young for Dario Saric and Orlando's 2015 first round pick before it was denied - Jake Fischer, LB
James Young to the Celtics at 17
(PS - technically the sixers did trade down in tonight's draft so that's one)
I don't understand how getting one of the two guys capable of being elite is anything but huge.
Cause they owe the fans a meaningless playoff appearance next year.
Because most of the people here know that an unathletic white guy would have made the sixers TONS better next year...and they know that THEY could convince free agents to sign here when lots of better more appealing destinations will have cap room...and they know how to build NBA rosters better...they also can evaluate college prospects better with only 25% of the information that nba teams have access to.
You talking about Stauskas?
McDermott
Right, saw that. Payton and Stauskas are clearly better than Sczerbiak 2 from what I see. I know most wanted Stausk over McBuckets.
McBuckets
So to recap sat year's Jrue trade:
To: New Orleans: Jrue
To Sixers: Noel, Saric, Orlando 2017 #1 plus 2015 #2
Not too shabby.
Hinkie couldn't possibly be more of a fucking clown/dork than Harris could he?
Tyler Ennis to the Suns
3rd Canadian in the first round?
Maybe that's a pick for someone else.
Toronto was rumored to be targeting him with their trade, or maybe they are letting a free agent go cause they don't want to over pay him?
Gary Harris to the Bulls (Nuggets) at 19
"The steal of the draft so far" according to Simmons and Rose
Blah-est player in the draft.
If we had got Wiggins or Parker we still wouldn't have made the playoffs in my opinion & if we did it would have been 8th seed so why all the crying for
If the sixers had gotten #2 instead of #3 (assuming all other things being equal in the lottery if the sixers had the worst record instead of Miwaukee) I bet Embiid would have been the second pick.
I'm not crying, I'm just not jumping up and down at the prospect of a couple more years like last year. Though I suppose I should be. So yay!
They made the right pick at #3, of course all the other people here who are drinking Hinkie's kool-aid right now wanted Exum, but that's beside the point. Saric isn't impressive to me, but the guy I really wanted was off the board so who cares.
To sum things up. Hinkie made the right pick at #3. Probably could've done better at #10, but that's inconsequential. I'm unhappy because there won't be a second of even enjoyable basketball played in philly this year (and possibly beyond), and what I really want is to watch enjoyable basketball. Is that all very difficult to understand?
I don't understand how the #10 pick was supposed to make them enjoyable this year. A rookie who supposedly has NBA range from three doesn't improve their win total all that much.
No, it's not difficult to understand at all, but what has taken over for some people is "fantasy basketball" vs. actual basketball. They don't actually watch the games. They just immerse themselves in stats and brief videos. Call it virtual basketball.
Ah passive aggressive insults cause things aren't going your way.
You participate in fantasy GM'ing you say 'you could add players who would make the sixers better' - but you won't be able to find any quality free agents who would agree to play in Philadlephia I bet you
You can still enjoy watching a team with real talent develop. I understand what Brian is saying - he wants to watch a real grown man team play sound, smart team ball. Who doesn't? But collecting assets is the game now. It's how it's done, it's not fantasy hoops. And they're not gonna be good next year anyway.
Do you think we're just going to get four or five new players in a couple of years and be good right away? Not unless we manage to do something like Boston or Miami did. You have to start turning the corner and unless some dramatic deals occur after July 1st, I don't see that happening.
"Assets" aren't worth anything to me if they can't play. I'm a fan, not an art dealer. Since we already had Noel, I wasn't thrilled with the pick of Embiid, but I could have understood that if we didn't compound that pick with another pick who is not going to play. Then, we didn't make any trades that could have gotten us someone else. Thad is likely gone after this season. Maybe Hinkie will get another second round draft pick for him at the 2015 trade deadline.
If they can't play they're not assets. MCW, Noel, Embiid and Saric (whom Danny Ainge was lusting for) can all play. I don't get how you see this draft helping them field a team worth watching any sooner. Taking McDermott?
Bilas is one dim bulb. Rates Cleanthony Early as the 3rd best player available, Capela 7th.
Heat trying to move up to get Napier according to his agent (Lebron appeasement)
I hope we have a shot at Hairston in the second, or jump up to get him late in the first.
Toronto gets a draft and stash I think
Bruno Caboclo
"A freak athlete who doesn't know how to play yet"
"Four years away"
"2 years away from being 2 years away"
This Bruno Cabolco wasn't on Draftexpress's mock draft. Now that's the sort of pick I could understand someone being upset about.
No scouting info on draftexpress whatsoever. Ranked 18th among international prospects IN HIS YEAR. http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Bruno-Caboclo-7279/
Did Jalen Rose make agood point about beingableto attract free agnets?
Toronto can't sign Kevin Durant, so it has to draft the Brazilian Kevin Durant?
Well there is one disappointing thing about tonight.
No reason to watch summer league...oh well
Thunder select Mitch McGary
noel should be playing
Have they confirmed he's playing?
no but he says he will be playing in it
We'll get someone nice at 32.
Love him.
Raw deal from the NCAA hope it works out for him IN Oklahoma (they had given him a secret promise according to Woj)
I know it's been said but we can't forget that adding a now-healthy Noel to the team next season is like an additional lottery pick.
Hinkies plan is to just keep trying to win rookie of the year :)
Lol.
2014 MCW
2015 Noel
2016 Embiid
2017 Saric
2018 NBA Champs
We haven't forgotten that. Some of us were just hoping that we would be able to see more than one lottery pick next season.
Rodney Hood was projected to go higher wasn't he?
And as I mention it - Utah drafts him
Bob-Hornets select Napier, screwing the Heat...yay
@chadfordinsider Napier will be traded to the Heat according to source
Darn...what does Charlotte get? Norris cole?
Heat will trade No. 26, No. 55 and a future 2nd to the Hornets for Shabazz Napier
Meh, not worth it to help out the devil's team
Not impossible that Hairston falls to us.
Or Anderson, McDaniels, Dinwiddie, Stokes...
He's going to be picked at 26
That's okay. There are still some really nice players here and I suspect a couple of the last four picks in the first round will be stashes.
We got Joel fucking Embiid!!
But he's not playing next year
I do realize that. Three years in a row...of waiting. At least we get to see Noel. Hate that we got 2 top 10 picks and don't get to see either one next season though. That's why so many DFers are grouchy, I think.
Sorry - I was being sarcastic in regards to my comment.
Like I said earlier - I expect the sixers to have a top 3 worst record next year - even before the draft - and I believe there is a long term plan in place (that might or might not work out) that involves the summer of 2016 and Kevin Durant.
To get a guy to come to Philadelphia for free agency I think he has to be a slightly different kind of cat (at least how I perceive them). I think if the players develop the way the sixers hope, that KD is the type of guy who would come here. I don't think they'll win a title in the next two years and I think he'll want to go somewhere he feels he can win...the east is suddenly going to surpass the west overall in the next 2 seasons I don't think but if these guys do pan out...the sixers could be in a position to capitalize with the addition of the unrestricted free agent Kevin Durant.
Hold up. So Kevin Durant is going to seriously consider playing with a bunch of motherfuckers that don't even know how to play with each other yet? Really?
And Kevin Durant is going to look at this hodgepodge of guys and "feel he can win" with them? Come on....
Think there needs to be a distinction between tanking and prioritizing long term potential over short term gains.
Derek Bodner
Nice.
Philly isn't that bad is it?? I like it - don' t live there. Moses came here. (Yes it was technically a trade, but it was a free agent signing first with a matched offer.)
I grew up in the suburbs...i like philadelphia, think it's a great city, enjoy winter (don't really miss the humidity of summer though)...but i'm a 42 year old suburban kid.
It's not New York or LA, it doesn't have the cache of a Miami, the nightlife, the quality weather, the beaches, the lack of state income tax...I mean it's not Utah or Cleveland, but it's not a strong draw to the modern NBA player...except maybe for the cats who are slightly different who see a good core maturing that can help him win the title that his ball hogging point guard prevented him from winning.
That's how I see it - obviously others will disagree
"good core maturing"
I don't think he'll see that by 2016.
MCW (if he's here) going into his 4th year, Noel 3rd year, Embiid coming off rookie of the year year, saric coming over for his rookie year after maturing in Europe.
Might not work out, but my hypothesis based on absolutely nothing is that the sixers long game is to get KD...of course there's a good chance they will fail, but if/when they do, at least they aren't left barren and scrambling like those teams who missed out on the Lebron Bosh Wade thing and had to waste money on not as good players...just my theory...
Are you a year ahead? I thought his free agency was after the 15-16 season.
Oh damn - I was reading it wrong - Story Tellers was still showing the 13/14 year...damn, I totally misread that - no wonder.
Well - quick look
Steph Curry is a UFA summer of 2017
Howard, Harden, Westbrook, Ibaka,
Crap - I totally read that wrong - now I'm the putz
(BTW - just for giggles - larry sanders makes 11 million a year for four seasons starting next year)
Yeah Steph Curry - that's it - Steph Curry is the target
Capella, the Kevin Pelton darling sleeper drafted by Dork Elvis...no big surprise
Bogdanovic is going 27 and C.J. Wilcox is going really early at 28. A senior shooter from U of Washington. We're therefore guaranteed that one of Anderson, Stokes, Dinwiddie, and McDaniels will be at 32.
so a 1st and 2nd for moving down 2 spots
still dont know the protections
The last report was that the 1st the sixers got was the one they gave up in the Bynum trade, their own 2017...what Mr Bodner said on his twitter feed was
Keep in mind, after tonight the #sixers couldn’t trade a pick until 2019. Now they can. Gained a ton of lexibility (sic) and still got Saric.
Then why is it protected?
Then why is it protected?
It's not - that was just poor reporting by folks trying to get it first instead of getting it right.
The sixers obtained their 2017 first round pick back
Then why is it protected?
Woj reporting that many teams are hot and heavy after Clint Capela...
Fraschilla on twitter: "Whoops. We showed Bojan Bogdanovic video instead of Bogdan. Oversight."
SO MANY BOGDANOVICS
Dear Jay
Do you know why soccer is more popular everywhere else in the world than in the United States?
One simple word.
Options
Oklahoma City selects Josh Huestis from Stanford,defensive specialist
47th in DX's mock. So at 32 we'll have two of Anderson, Dinwiddie, Stokes, and McDaniels to choose from.
Anderson's arguably the worst of those four.
Bummed Bogdan gone but some really good players on the board. KJ would be a steal. Or they could trade for a future 1st.
You missed all the fun
(Marveling that the Spurs are 9 million under the cap with 3 great players playing well below market)
Pictures from Dario's first conference as a Sixer:
https://twitter.com/EliotShorrParks/status/482351467790356480/photo/1
Dear Jalen Rose
Los Angeles might have more money in their bank account, but they can't spend more money on salaries than the Spurs.
Kobe Bryant making more money than the spurs big 3 last year is exactly why the Lakers are screwed - and you saying it's because the Spurs don't have as much money as the Lakers just makes you a putz
and the spurs steal kyle anderson
And the Bucks will take Inglis at 31. So we'll have our pick of McDaniels, Dinwiddie, Stokes, Early. Stokes put up about the same stats as Randle did, in the same league, is about the same size, and is a better shooter and defender.
Then why is randle at #7 and he in the second round?
Randle has a better body and is quicker and younger.
I think these guys just like saying Cleanthony
I hope Mark Tatum sued whoever did that eye job for him
Woj says sixers like Glen Robinson III - not saying they picked em (yet) just saying they've been fond of him
But they're reportedly picking KJ McDaniels
Dear Bill
fans ain't smarter
Hinkie selected his version of Andre Iguodala.
He'll learn to shoot, obviously.
I read your new post. I hope you are not correct, but I fear that you may very well be.
Just be glad that they finally picked a player who can play next season. I would have preferred Cleanthony but I'll take this kid. Lead the ACC in blocked shots at 6'7".
Early is great at nothing, McDaniels is an elite perimeter defender, shot-blocker and finisher. From draftexpress:
McDaniels ranks as the top transition scorer [among small forwards in the draft], scoring 1.49 points per fast break possession. [That is, he makes 75% of his shots in transition.] He also ranks as the 3rd best finisher in the half court, scoring 1.36 points per possessions round the rim.
I'm fine with this kid. I'm also OK with Jerami Grant. At least they will have the opportunity to take the court and battle it out with each other for a possible starting position. However, I will say that a mediocre Big Ten team, Minnesota (where I live an happen to be a fan of), won the NIT while Clemson couldn't make the finals of that tournament.
Yeah, I watched the NIT because I was such a big fan and I was a little disappointed in McDaniels's last game. Really weak team around him, though.
He will be asked to be a role player and not a star.
No, I'm elated about this pick. I think he'll start for us next year.
I think you might be right, but that's not saying much.
blah, not a huge grant fan
Hinkie sure loves assembling guys that can't shoot. For a guy portrayed as so smart, that's weird.
walter tavares is huge
please trade russ smith
@WojYahooNBA Sixers will trade Russ Smith to New Orleans for rights to Pierre Jackson, sources say.
Shit! We drafted Pierre Jackson last year and traded him to NOP didn't we?
I like Russ Smith.
Cool. Michael Jordan of the development league.
I do like the KJMD pick. He's like an Aaron Gordon lite.
I think he's really decent value here. I'm pretty confident he'll carve out some kind of NBA career, and I can't say that of the other players available.
We're getting Pierre Jackson for him though.
I haven't caught up on this thread yet. I was not keeping up with this website as I should have been prior to the draft. I was going through almost a personal crisis after the injury to Embiid tore Andrew Wiggins from what seemed to be pur-perhaps too greedy, too dashed with hubris and other Greek sins -clutches.
It seems to be-and caveat here that I spent a lot of time thinking about this draft, this draft was very important to me, but I really did not follow the coverage too closely. I am involved in moving to Brooklyn from Philly, a process which requires one to brave a a treacherous landscape of bad hustlers -which in New York, defines the pursuit of "affordable housing" which is not even that. Anyway, things are looking up on that front. But the process distracted me somewhat.
So far I have read the comments only up until when Cleveland is on the clock, any hope of a Hunkie miracle is slipping away, and Wigggins is disappearing from reach. Just as Brian insists hysterically that the Sixers were picking Embiid for Wiggins and a deal was quite possibly made, so I insisted weakly to my brother as we watched the draft.Staving off the hurt of losing out on a player like that. A player that it seemed like we were in PERFECT position to pick up until a week before the draft.
Embiid was probably the best pick there. Just like perhaps Saric was the best talent available after their efforts to move up for Stauskas failed.
But the reality is is was an eight deep draft. The mission was to get Wiggins and one of the other eight. Everything got totally fucked, let's be real.
Wiggins is a transcendent talent. Whether or not he realizes the strastospheric heights that his physical gifts provide him, he has potential as a wing superstar that have not been seen in quite a while. Just watch the way he moves. It's like he's on pogo sticks. Coach him up and he is the TRUTH. He also would be insanely fun to watch, and he is a virtual lock to be one o f the better wing defenders in the league.
His ceiling is two way superstar that transforms a franchise. Wilt, Julius, Moses, Barkley, Iverson-finally a defining star for a new era of Sixers relevancy. Take him, and you already have a center in Noel who should be at least an elite defender and could grow into an offensive contributor, especially is defenses are focused elsewhere. Add a Stauskas, or a Randle(who I happen to like a lot, I know there is mixed opinion on him and mine isn't particularly informed but it's the way that I feel) and with Carter Williams you have four young starters, all talented and with varying degrees of potential, and certainly the opportunity to gl together into a team in the best sense-a cohesive, invested unit. I think Wiggins is going to be inspiring to play with.
To me the fact that there was actually a team, in Milwaukee, who was ready to draft Jabari Parker and just leave Wiggins for us, I felt like we were set up like the Bulls in 84-ready to collect the generational wing talent who falls to 3 thanks to a mixtures of tantalizing African centers with their own potential for transcendence and truly terrible management. Picking Parker over Wiggins is just an absolutely absurd thing to do, and you will not convince me otherwise-none of you, not even eddie's headies who I see has been a rock for Jabari on the DF hustings in the most predictable development since the rise of this morning's sun.
I think Brian sees the same things I do in Wiggins, and if you see those things, a grieving period is needed. Losing him after coming so close to being ours by serendipitous blessings. That's what you need in the NBA!Good luck!Whether they had traded Turner or Hawes a little earlier I don't believe he could have gotten significantly more value. Turner was deadweight. He sucked. He was not winning them games, despite a couple last second shots that I know drove Brian completely bonkers-to let this talentless nitwit Turner, emerging in high pressure situations to win games that no intelligent Sixer fan wanted any part of winning. But there's no guarantee that having the worst record would have gotten us the first pick. Ask Milwaukee.
You need luck in these processes. You need to be smart, and lucky. The Sixers looked poised to be enormously lucky and transform their franchise into a rising contender in the East within a couple of years.
Instead we get Embiid, who has been playing basketball for three years, and in his one season at Kansas played what, 20 games?And now is set to miss his entire rookie season. Maybe it's a Blake Griffin situation. Maybe Embiid really is a beast with a reasonably healthy career. He still isn't Wiggins, and I had my little heart set.
There are plenty of ways to rationalize the Sixers draft, and once Wiggins was not a possibility Embiid was probably the best pick-the one with the highest potential to be a franchise even if he does carry substantial risks.
Wiggins ia a goldmine. Watching Wiggins grow as a Sixer for the next ten years would have been a defining part of my life as a basketball fan. I feel very confident in saying this. I feel a tremendous sense of loss, I can't deny it and I don't think I should have to. I think there are ways to rationalize the Sixers draft, but no way to avoid acknowledging that we appear to have taken the wrong end of the dice.
I know there is disagreement about Wiggins. There was disagreement about Durant. Wiggins is a stone cold stud. Anyone who denies that I just don't find credible when I watch tape of him. Yes he has to work on his game. But can you not see the truly awesome abilities the man's been blessed with. The idea that Paul George is his ceiling is a joke. Paul George is not that good. Wiggins IS going to be better than Paul George ever has been or will be within two or three years. He could go bust but he's got a helluva lot of gifts he's carrying around with him. I understand completely how you feel, Brian. It's a different feeling being on the same page with you, and I think you are right about this.
Wiggins haters can just tell it to someone else. Nattering nabobs of negativism. If only Tray weren't what, under 30?- I would bemoan the fact that no Internet then existed for nattering nabobs of negativism like him to seize upon the weaknesses in the available data on Jordan and proclaimed the idea that he would ever be better than David Thompson to be as whimsical as the notion that Wiggins is a lock to even equal the greatness of Paul George-a talented athlete with less offensive moves than Wiggins, but whose animating value is elite athleticism. Paul geogrge is a good athlete. Andrew Wiggins is otherwordly. Teach him how to play ball the right way-defend, and on offense, move the bodies and move the ball and get the best look at the best shot possible-and he is a star. Jabari Parker is a joke. He might be as good as Melo. Melo is not a player who you want to build a basketball team around. He will not play defense, he odesn't have heart. Jabari is a Mormon. It is a fucked up background. Look at poor God damn Manti Te'o. These people are not normal. They belong to a cultthat has grown beyond its wildest dreams and become a moneymaking mackine. I just am not impressed by Jabari. Generally the people who pimp Jabari are people whose opinion I often take with a grain of salt or those who were just infected with the conventional wisdom that he was a top talent in this draft. If he hadn't played for Duke no way does he go number 2 with so few questions. He used his superior size to score over inferior and overmatched defenders.Now I clung to the version of Evan Turner that was sold pre draft for an awfully long time. He certainly showed no indication of being an uterrly wretched defender in college, unlike Jabari. Prior to the first bump in the summer league and the slowly dawning revelation that Evan and the coach despised each other-it was assumed in these very comments, the most intelligent conflagration of Sixers freaks on the whole wide Internet that Turner was the most NBA ready player in the draft, you could pencil him in for twenty a night right away, he's the favorite for ROY because of this nebulous readiness which I think is more America's readiness to embrace a clean cut,Duke kid who they saw on national TV all year and who's the least threatening black man in America( a MORMON. the brother is a MORMON. Tom is too mild a word for a black Mormon.)
So we wait a year, watch MCW and Nerlens and the two energetic defenders(or so I understand), that they got in the 30's. People whose opinions I trust liked those picks a lot. And we do the lottery again next year. And we see about Embiid. And we wait for Lady Luck's fleeting fancies to light upon us at the proper moment.
One concern with hinkie-he traded a lot, but just with San Antonio, Orlando, New Orleans-all teams he has had prior dealings with. That could mean nothing but I am concerned that the league is leery of dealing with him for reasons I do not know. I could speculate that maybe he can't help but flaunt his belief that he will fleece them in a deal. This is offensive enough to an NBA general manager, as weak, spineless and perpetually insecure group of men as is likely to be found in one group in this great and proud nation. Even more-here, the insecurity rears it's inevitable head-I can see executives thinking hey maybe he does know this shit better than me and maybe he is fixing to fleece me(which is what he was trying to do to Cleveland. They're crazy to give up Wiggins there.)
Anyway, that is purely speculation but I am worrying if he isn't becoming regarded as a self regarding loner in a clubbish profession who operate in clubbish good faith, mostly, and who suspect this Hinkie character of bad faith. He doesn't strike me as a front of the store man. I don't know that he is an adept socializer. I would tend to be shocked if he were. Anyway, DEVELOPING...or not.
It is a time to be depresssed fans, and the darkness and pestilence will be slow in lifting. But lift they shall. We will get there together. Thanks to Brian and all the great commenters here for providing the best Sixers draft discussion by a country mile. This is the only source for spirited Sixers discourse between intelligent people(given that here is at least one idiot in every sports discussion board on the web, most likely). The discussion here features a consistenly enjoyable cast of characters-whether the particular character's contributions more likely cause you to shake your head in bewildered irritation or to nod slowly in thoughtful assent. I'm glad it exists. Onward and upward, my people.
so basically you're saying Varnado deserves more minutes?