Can't Live With Him... Kate Fagan has a pair of articles today in the Inquirer that I'd like to take a look at and get your feelings on. The nuts and bolts of the first is that the Sixers are a better team without Elton Brand. She quotes unnamed NBA scouts as saying that Brand clogs up the lane and makes it harder for Iguodala, Miller and Williams to get to the hoop. Another says he's too darn slow for the team to run, while a third says Josh Smitth is the guy the Sixers should've signed this summer. The second article says that Brand gives the Sixers a much better shot in the playoffs. Again, unnamed NBA scouts were quoted and the overwhelming theme of their comments was that you can't sustain a running game in the playoffs when teams have more time to prepare for you. Basically, the only reason the Sixers win in the regular season is because teams are caught by surprise. If these stories seem at odds to you, it's because they are. I think that's what Fagan was driving at here. After the jump, let's take a closer look at both topics. Let's start with the first article, which was titled "His style just isn't a good fit, clogging the lanes." This article bothers me quite a bit, actually, for a couple of reasons. It puts the blame for the team's slow start on Brand's style of play, which may or may not be the case, we just don't know. Perhaps the problem was that the team was being coached by a guy who either could not, or did not integrate Brand into the team well enough. There's more evidence backing up the notion that Cheeks was the problem, than Brand. The article is full of doomsday stats like, "In the last 18 games, the Sixers have scored 100-plus on 11 occasions. In the prior 13, they broke the century-mark only twice." A pretty stat. Of course, you could also say that in games that Tony DiLeo coached and Elton Brand played, the Sixers have averaged 104.3 points. Or instead of saying the Sixers are merely 11-13 with EB in the lineup, you could say they are 3-0 with EB in the lineup and DiLeo pulling the strings. Obviously, I'm talking about a ridiculously small sample size, which is exactly my point. It's premature to say DiLeo has it all figured it, just like it's premature so say EB's game doesn't fit with the Sixers' style. I'll agree if you write an article with a thesis stating, "Mo Cheeks couldn't figure out how to mesh EB's style with the team." You can back that statement up with facts, not supposition. To make a blanket statement without that qualifier, though, is silly. Especially when the limited data we have points to Tony DiLeo absolutely being able to incorporate Brand into the running style. As for the second article, I don't think these scouts are saying anything different from what we've heard/thought since Brand was signed, though I do take issue with the thought that the only reason the Sixers win is because teams are unprepared for them. You can run in the playoffs, the Sixers did it for the better part of three games and very nearly took a 3-1 lead over the big, bad Pistons. It would be more accurate to say you can't run exclusively in the playoffs, which is where EB comes in. Before we go any further, I think we need to make a distinction. These Sixers are not the D'Antoni Suns. They aren't anything like the D'Antoni Suns. This team runs off of great defense. They don't run to avoid playing defense, which seems to be D'Antoni's philosophy. I'm not sure why these NBA scouts see aggressive, pressure defense as a gimmick, but I think that probably says more about them than the Sixers' style. Brand's addition was designed to make the half-court offense more efficient, which will be more important in the playoffs. Not because teams won't be surprised by the Sixers, but because they'll be facing better teams. As a rule, better teams generally don't turn the ball over as much, and they shoot a higher percentage from the floor. Thus, less opportunities to run and more half-court sets on the offensive end. The logic goes off the rails when scouts say Brand is important for the playoffs, but he won't fit the team in the regular season. Adding him to the lineup should, if he's properly used, make the Sixers more efficient in the half court no matter what the calendar says. The fact of the matter is, they're going to be in the half-court more often than they're out on the break. They need to get more points out of those sets and Brand will help in that regard. Now, if they're saying the Sixers won't get out and run as much with Brand on the court, that's another argument entirely, and it gets back to the difference between this Sixers' team and the D'Antoni Suns. The Sixers run off defensive stops, turnovers, blocked shots and defensive rebounds. They don't generally get their transition points with quick inbounds off made shots and sprinting down the floor. Elton Brand is a better defender at the PF position than Thaddeus Young. He's a better shot blocker than Thaddeus Young. He's a much, much better rebounder than Thaddeus Young. Having him on the floor will create more opportunities for this team to run. The only way the running game should change with Brand is that instead of having four guys out in front on the break, there will be three with a guy trailing who can hit the 15-foot jumpers trailers often get. Articles like these really make me hate unnamed sources. I'd love to know what these scouts had to say about the Brand acquisition in the summer. More importantly, I'd like to see what they have to say after Coach DiLeo has about 20 games to worth with his full complement of players. 14 Comments | Leave a commentLeave a commentLatest Posts• The Albatross. • The Giant. • Can't Live With Him... • The Ugly Ones Still Count • Exclusive Stefanski and DiLeo Video • 41 Down, 41 To Go • Andre Iguodala, An All Star? • First Half Review: The Team • Mo Goes Back To Work? • First Half Review: The Bigs • Mike Miller Trade Rumor • Hollinger Loves The Sixers!SearchBlogs in The NetworkSixers BlogsPassion and Pride Sixers 4 Guidos Liberty Ballers Recliner GM PhillyArena Heard In The Cheap Seats | ||||||||||||||||
Can I just say I'm tired of the Josh Smith stuff - yes it may have been a better idea to offer him a contract - but the Hawks were going to match his offer - they made it clear - it would have locked up money for a week or so and then Brand ends up somewhere else and the sixers get bubkis.
As for they can't run - that's nonsense - you don't need all 5 guys to run - you need the opposing team to miss - and then you run.
New coach, new system, new attitude from the players and Brand has played one game. I despise unnamed sources in general because I think some guys make up unnamed sources in order to write their opinion as more 'factual' - if they won't pony up their name - don't pony up their quotes.
Brand must be integrated into the system - the sixers must adjust to brand and Brand must adjust to the sixers. The coaching staff should figure the best way to integrate him and all 15 sixers (or 14?) need to work towards achieving that goal...and maybe when Brand is 100% healthy and back in game shape (i don't think he was ever in game shape before he separated his shoulder, completely, as he hadn't played that many games coming back from the other injury)...again this is what happens when a team has unrealistic expectations heaped upon it.
The only way they could've possibly gotten Josh Smith is if they ridiculously overpaid for him and ATL wasn't dumb enough to match.
The whole unnamed sources thing bugs me, but I realize that's the only way reporters can get quotes a lot of the time. I don't think she made these quotes up, I just don't like the fact there's no accountability.
Maybe Kate can go back to the same guys after 20 games and see how they feel about the team then. We'll never know who the scout is, but we'll know that he was dead wrong. By the way, I'd love to know what teams the scouts work for, because if it was a Knicks' scout, can't you just discount anything they say anyway?
I do not disagree with what you guys have said. But at the same time adding Brand might slow them down and force them to change their style. Or more accurately, make adjustments so they can still have good flow and get out running with Brand at either PF or C. It will be more of a challenge if the have Brand at PF in a conventional line-up.
Not because of any deficiency in Brands game, but simply because it is easier to run with a small ball line-up then a conventional one. Beyond any strategy, you can run when you have athletic mismatches on the floor.
Basically, if you have the same squad and put Willie Green for Brand, then you will run better but rebound worse. Its not an attack on Brand, it is common sense. Thad at PF is 1-2 steps faster down the floor than any PF that he goes against. Iguodala is more likey to have a speed/quickness advantage when covering SF as opposed to SG.
The challenge for DiLeo is to still run with a conventional line-up, or move Brand to center. I'm hopeful he can make this work.
I disagree. I don't think their fast break game is about being able to outrun guys down the floor, necessarily. It's about being able to create favorable situations with defense, and then having the ball handlers to get the ball into the open court and make smart decisions with the ball. Finally, it's about having guys on the break who can finish.
Take Green out of the lineup for Brand and you're going to get more opportunities to run with your best finishers and best playmakers still on the floor.
Again, we aren't talking about artificial, run down the floor as fast as you can, get a shot up as quickly as possible. We're talking about defense and rebounding creating fast break opportunities on the other end.
Now, this doesn't answer the question that I still haven't seen DiLeo answer. Will Willie or Thad be benched when EB returns to the starting lineup?
Hi Brian,
I'd rather them sit Sammy and play Brand at C (with Thad at PF) or even move Thad to SF and Iggy to SG (benching Green). In that scenario, Iggy would just have to deal with the switch and play the same way he is now. There is nothing that says if he is playing SG he has to stand around on the perimeter.
The best way for the Sixers to win is play Iggy and Thad. They are the only two plus players on the team. Check this out (check out where Iggy is on this list):
http://basketballvalue.com/topplayers.php
I think when Thad gets marginalized his game goes down the tubes. When Iggy was struggling badly about 1 month into the season Cheeks said he was going to emphasize AI2 more from then on. Thad then started struggling having some awful shooting games where it seemed he was trying to force the issue (he went from doing well at PER/WS and went to mediocre).
I think the team goes best when those two are both doing well.
Personally, I'd bench Willie. No matter what they do, I want Iggy and Thad on the floor together.
I remember checking that list early in the season and Iggy was very high. I'm amazed that he's at the top now, though. Wow.
Michael Redd - torn ACL - out for rest of season - cross him off your wish list if he was on it.
Tyson Chandler - out until at least after the all star break
Never liked Redd. Let's hope Sammy has a monster game tomorrow night. Showcase for New Orleans.
Yeah Redd would never be on my wish list.
I read Kate's columns. I did not see it as a comparison as much as a chance to let the negative Brand people have their best shot and show that they are wrong. Note she stated in article :(Ignore the story to the left...).
Yeah, I mean, I think the point of running both articles is that these supposed insiders don't really know what to make of EB on the Sixers. I didn't really think it was a hatchet job, I'd just like a little more info on who the scouts were.
Brian,
I just listened to Howard Eskin on 10NBC. He thinks EB was a mistake. He thinks firing Cheeks was a mistake. I think Howard Eskin does not know basketball. I am very close to never listening to him again. But, my question is, in your opinion or others on the blog, does he know basketball?????
I never listen to him, and I think you can make the case that Brand was a mistake, if you're into small samle-sizes. I don't know how you can make the case that Cheeks shouldn't have been fired. From those statements, I'd say he probably hasn't watched a game all season and doesn't know jack about the game. Just a guess.
Eskin knows nothing - about anything