First-Person Report: Sixers vs. PistonsMike is back with another first-person report after gutting out another ugly loss at the Wach. He'll give us his reaction as one of 12,000+ fans to witness this atrocity with his own two eyes.
PREGAME/SHOOTAROUND:
- Unless AI arrived early tonight, he did not take any additional practice. At 6pm Iguodala & Lou were the only Sixers shooting around, with Aaron Mckie feeding each of them as usual. Lou was the last Sixer to leave the court. After he finished shooting, he sat next to some fans courtside and launched shots from his seat. I thought his jaw was wired shut but he was definitely talking. For the Pistons it was Prince, Bynum, Kwame Brown, and Ben Wallace. Wallace remained on the floor after everyone else had left, shooting nothing but long range jumpers. I have no idea why. Stephen A Smith was in the house again, and had a fairly lengthy conversation with Ed Pinckney. There was also a rare Tony Dileo sighting. - When I saw the Coatesville Step Team take the court for their pregame routine I remembered that Coatesville, PA was Rip Hamilton's hometown. A large group of family & friends in attendance were probably disappointed to see him not suit up for the game. Hamilton's mom was pretty easy to identify, and I confirmed that it was indeed her after speaking with one of the members of Rip's fan section. He told me to stick around after the game to meet Hamilton & a few other to be determined Pistons, but by the time the crapfest ended I just wanted to leave. - When the full squads took the court for layup lines, AI was in his white sleeveless T again, while the rest of the team wore their red warmups. After sharing long hugs with just about every Nugget in uniform Monday night, Iverson didn't approach any Piston during pregame. He did eventually embrace Stuckey & Atkins at the opening tip. - The lack of fanfare for Iverson stood in stark contrast to the festivities the other night. The lower level was about 2/3 full, and upper level about 1/3. It really felt like just another game until the Iverson chants started in the 4th quarter, which I will get to in a moment. And while Iverson obviously gets the biggest reaction during pregame intros, I am glad that Iguodala is still being introduced as the last Sixer. If nothing else it's just a nice gesture to the guy who is still the best player on the team. - They play Jay Z's "Run This Town" right before tip-off every game now, and I've noticed they cut the lyrics in the same spot each time. I was curious so I checked, and the edited lines are "Black cards, black cars, all black everything, and our girls are blackbirds, ridin with they dillingers," before the vocals come back in. Not really sure why they do that. - Seeing AI run to the foul line by the visitor's bench and jump in place for a few seconds just before the opening tip, egging on the crowd, is pretty cool to see again. ONTO TO THE SHITTIEST GAME EVER: - I'm not going to talk much about the actual play during shitfest '09, because I can't afford to fix a broken computer monitor. Everyone knows how shitty it was. The first 3 quarters may have been the shittiest I have ever seen. I am actually glad Iguodala missed the potential game winner, because then they would have thought they won this shitfest, when I don't believe there is anything noble in letting Rodney Stuckey plus a bunch of scrubs take you to the final possession. It is the coach's responsibility to make sure his team is ready to play every night, no matter the opponent. When the team consistently plays up & down to the level of competition it's on both the coach and the team's veterans. So something is seriously wrong here, in case we didn't know. - Pistons Coach John Kuester was an assistant in Philly from '97-'03, and then again in '05-'06, so at various points during the game, some of his former Sixers would approach him. Very early in the 1st quarter, during a stop in play, Iguodala discretely made his way over while Kuester was barking at an official, and stole something out of the breast pocket of his suit. Kuester finally noticed Iguodala standing inches away from him, so Andre stuck it back in his pocket and they both laughed. - Everyone on Detroit's bench doubled over laughing after Maxiel crossed up Sam and sent him falling backwards. One of the bigger reactions on the Sixers' bench came from Sam & Primo Brezec, who both lept out of their seats when Brand hit a bank shot while being fouled. - Iguodala had a great WTF look on his face after Thad sailed away a pass attempting to start a fastbreak in the 1st quarter. But I was disappointed in his game tonight. He played well in the 4th when he finally turned it on, but he is settling for far too many jumpers right now. He is most effective when driving & dishing to open teammates or taking it himself & finishing strong. He is supposed to be this team's leader, so when he is settling for contested jumpers, the whole team seems to follow his lead, which brings us to... - Sixers offense in quarters 1-3: 15-18 ft jump shot after jump shot after jump shot after jump shot after jump shot after jump shot after jump shot after jump shot after jump shot after jump shot after jump shot after jump shot after jump shot after jump shot after jump shot after jump shot after jump shot after jump shot after jump shot. - This new breed of Sixers' fan may be the dumbest in franchise history. They start playing well towards the end of the 3rd and into the 4th, finally take a 75-71 lead with 6 minutes and change remaining, and the crowd starts a "We Want Iverson" chant. Forget wins & losses, we just want to see Iverson play. The mongoloid sitting behind me actually screamed "Don't give it to him!!!" as Iguodala drove to hole in the final minute. Of course he was ready to shit a brick when Iguodala missed the final wide open 3. Obviously Iverson should have taken on 3 Pistons and not passed the ball to the guy standing by himself outside the 3pt line who has already hit more game winners than Iverson has in his entire career. My favorite Iverson play of the night was actually on Kapono's jumper that increased the lead to 77-74, when he ran underneath the baseline high fiving fans by the Sixers' bench. - They should be ashamed that they didn't win this game by double digits, but at this point, whatever, I guess they are content with more ping pong balls.
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Mike,
I kind of "lost it" after this game last night. I have been a full season ticket holder for the last 7 years and after losing to the dredges of the NBA I made a declaration that I would not renew next season unless there was a drastic change. There is no way with the personnel on this Sixers team should ever lose at home to that Piston team or have we over valued the talent on this team ? As a paying customer I am curious to get your thoughts on would you or are you going to continue to patronize this franchise that has been going downhill since 2001 ?
there is still a lot about attending nba games that i find fascinating. the culture within the arena is something you don't get to experience anywhere else. i'm an nba junkie, so i will probably always enjoy going to games as long as at least 1 team on the court interests me. lately it's been the opposition unfortunately, though i really do enjoy watching iguodala play.
As Season-Ticket holders, have you heard anything about the normal Executive meetings with your crowd coming up, or do you think that will be more toward Jan-Feb.
I remember it was one such meeting that inspired Croce to dump Greenberg-Davis
There was also a rare Tony Dileo sighting.
How rare? Just curios if he's watching the team thinking i gotta coach this mess again?
As for the 'fans' - of course they want Iverson - that's why they showed up on Monday - it's not about wins or losses for them it's about Iverson
i'm sure he's there every game, but this was the 1st time i've seen dileo on the court this season
Did anyone think there was any chance you'd be saying, "Man, they would've been better off sticking with DiLeo," only 22 games into the season?
I kind of ran a poll on LB about who you would rather have coaching the sixers right now, Cheek, Dileo, and Jordan (Eddie not Sams) and it's neck and neck between cheeks and dileo with EJ a distant third
http://www.libertyballers.com/2009/12/1/1181768/who-is-your-coach
my vote would be dileo
I left Cheeks in there because I think maybe CHeeks got a raw deal, he had to try and integrate brand, and that's not easy, and it turns out that 'no plays for thad' may be the best way to coach him because he openly admitted just a couple weeks that plays confuse him right now.
I don't think Dileo got a 'better' record out of the sixers than cheeks would have gotten...i think if cheeks tayed, the outcome of last season would have been pretty much the same.
Not sure I agree with that. It was unforgivable for Mo to insert Green into the starting lineup IMO. DiLeo didn't have Brand, so while it was still a stupid move, he had less options.
Cheeks got the team to defend, though.
i didn't hear that quote from thad. that is pretty troubling.
It's from the memphis commercial appeal - the game in memphis - hold on
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"It's been hard, I'm not going to lie," said Young, whose season average dipped to 12.8 points per game on 42.3 percent shooting. "We'll have certain plays where we're supposed to make a cut and set a screen here, or set a screen there, maybe receive a flare screen after you pass the ball. It's a lot to try to remember on one play. It's going to take time."
that was kind of to be expected early on though, not so bad
"A lot to try to remember" on one play bothers me...I mean what has he had to remember in other systems, maybe he's never had organized plays to remember.
I recall both DiLeo and cheeks both saying they didn't have 'called plays' for Thad - and then something like this comes out it makes you wonder if DiLeo and Cheeks were leaving out the second half of the statement "We don't run plays for thad...because his bball iq isn't high enough to remember them"
It's a disconcerting statement to me
i definitely hear you. i'm just looking at it from the perspective that it will take young guys some time to learn an entire new offensive scheme. that was like 3 weeks ago, so hopefully he's picked it up since then.
I have no idea if the sixers are running the PO more or less often or if Thad had picked it up any more since then - i can't bring myself to buy league pass now that Iverson is on the team
i have never really been able to tell whether or not they are running the PO. i see a lot of dribble hand offs, and guys coming off back screens with 2 options for the ball handler on either side of the court. so i assume that is the PO. but they are certainly not generating any easy buckets because of it.
I probably would too.
From Hollinger's chat:
Sean (Philly) - So the Sixers have dropped 11 in a row and anyone who knows anything about basketball knows that Allen Iverson is not the answer (no pun intended). What do they do? Brand and Dalembert are virtually unmovable, so do they try to move Igudala? Maybe something with the Rockets for McGrady?
John Hollinger - Of course he's not the answer. If he was the answer they wouldn't have been able to get him for the minimum 20 games into the season. He's a stopgap solution until Williams returns. Sixers real problems are at other end -- Eddie Jordan has never coached defense and apparently decided Philly wasn't he place he'd start.
What do they do?
Move Iguodala?
Rockets for Mcgrady?
Guy had three 'questions' in his question - Hollinger answered none of them :)
He answered the statement :)
I want some potatoes
i was at the game last night and it was god awful. the crowd was not really into it like a normal sixers game and it was just really boring to watch. i had a good time though because i love going to nba games plus i got thad, iguodala and lou's autograph AND i was the only one to get a high five from tony dileo.