ESPN CHATTERS
Pete (Philly) - What can the Sixers get for AI9?
Chris Sheridan - I continue to believe that the trade that makes sense for them if they strictly want a salary dump is to OKC for Collison and MoP's expiring contracts along with Jeff Green and a No. 1.
Ben (NYC) - Eric Bledsoe the next Jrue Holiday?
David Thorpe - I wrote that this summer, and I still think it. They are different players totally, but in terms of a guy who was much better as a rook than as a college player, you bet
Donnie Walsh (NYC) - I wouldn't know a good young point guard if one slapped me in the face
David Thorpe - Jrue Holiday would be awfully good there.
VW (new york, NY) - You ranked in your top 5 PGs: Paul, Rondo, Dwill, Nash, Curry. Fast forward FIVE years and what's that list look like
David Thorpe - Paul, Wall, Curry, DWill, Holiday/Jennings/Rose/Westbrook.
Skip (Philly) - When will the 76ers be a Championship contender?
David Thorpe - Not in the foreseeable future.
Rajon Rondo (Boston) - You think Holiday/Jennings will be better than me in 5 years? Why?!
David Thorpe - My mistake RR!! I'm typing fast. I'd probably put you 4th.
Ryan (NY) - You seem to rank Rose very low on all PG projections, is it because he is more of a SG than a PG?
David Thorpe - I'm more prone to love pure pg's, but Rose is terrific in his own way. Listen, there are lots of great pg's in the league, not everyone can be top 5.
JD (VA - Why hasn't Evan Turner's game translated to the NBA?
David Thorpe - Seems that teams are forcing him to shoot, and he's not the guy with the ball in his hands at all times.
Kevin (Dallas) - I've heard rumors (which could be totally false for all I know) about a swap which would bring in Iguodala and send out Caron/Pieces to make the numbers match. Would that even help the Mavs that much? I see them as basically the same player with Iggy just being younger and more athletic. Plus his contract is bad so the Mavs lose felxibility.
Jeff Caplan - Iguodala has long been rumored to the Mavs. But, go look at the money he is owed over about the next four years. It will floor you. With the CBA expiring this year and a hard cap possibly coming to the league, it would be hard to see the Mavs spending that type of dough on Iguodala, who I think gets overhyped. Roddy could solve all the two-guard issues as he progresses, but of course, the Mavs still seem fascinated with him at point guard. Not sure I am.
Stewart (phila) - Chad, Watching the sixers it's sometimes hard to see them winning another game. What should Rod Thorn do?
Chad Ford -Wasn't Rod Thorn living this nightmare last year in NJ? He seems to have brought some bad mojo with him. One they need to find a big man. Second, I think they have a tough decision to make between Evan Turner and Jrue Holiday. Both players are at their best with the ball in their hands. Turner transforms into a pretty mediocre player when he's off the ball. Ditto for Holiday. I think the Sixers are primed to make a big trade. Either Iguodala, Turner or Holiday for a young big man.
Brady (PA) - Doug Collins is giving Tony Battie more playing time than Marreese Speights. Is this a sign his vertigo symptoms are worse than previously thought?
John Hollinger -Check out some of the rotations he used in Washington. I thought Collins would improve them, but one of my worries was that he'd start slobbering over veteran retreads like Battie and Nocioni. Well, guess what
Aaron (Pottsboro, TX) - The mavs are spending the money to try to win a chmapionship at this moment. Since we all know there about one big move away from being able to seriously compete for that championship. What type of move do you see them making this year?
Chuck Cooperstein -No doubt they are in it to win it. That's been the case every year. I don't see them making a major move unless it's for someone who wants Butler's expiring contract. But is there anyone on a bad team that is ready to take that on and give you someone of quality? I don't think so. Guys like Iguodala aren't getting it done in Philly. Why do you think it will be any better here.
Wladimir (Santiago, Chile) - Hey Ric, any chance the mavs trade Butler?? I think the mavs are better suited with marion starting at the 3.
Ric Bucher - Haven't watched Butler and I haven't heard anything specific, but with his expiring contract, he'd be a great trading chip with the Sixers for Iguodala.
HOOPSWORLD CHATTERS
Bob in Philadelphia, PA:
If the Sixers decide to move Iguodala, what is a realistic return? Kaman? Peja and Thornton? Hard to gauge his value.
Bill Ingram:
It really is, and a move wouldn't surprise me. Doug Collins told us here in Dallas the other night that his team is lacking a star who can win games for them. Had to be tough for Iggy to hear that. He looked miserable after the game, too. Kaman isn't on the block, and I'm not sure he helps the Clippers. The Hornets would be foolish to make any moves right now. Houston would make a move for Iggy, and he'd be a nice fit there.
jb in arizona:
if iggy go to hornets,will he be starting over bellineli or ariza? will bayless have more PT as the season goes by?
Jason Fleming:
There is only one way Iggy goes to the Hornets: If the Sixers do a pure salary dump and take back Peja. That's not going to happen.
And if he did, and if there was question as to whether Iggy should start over Belilli or Ariza, then someone needs to be fired.
As for Bayless, he seems to be working himself out a nice little niche in New Orleans. It hurt for them to give up Collison, but the way Bayless has played makes it more palatable. But will his minutes go up? He's still backing up Chris Paul. Minutes don't go away from Paul unless he's hurt - Bayless will face a ceiling because of that
bryan in :
I've heard rumors about the possibility of the Blazes being interested in Nash or Iguiadala. Is there credence to these aspirations or are they simply rumor? With Roy being damaged goods might be a good idea to get another contributor
Luke Byrnes:
Those are both players that could help the Blazers. If the could be had for the right price, the Blazers would obviously be interested, right. Nash won't be dealt unless the Suns are well out of playoff contention (they are 6-4 right now, so don't count on that happening any time soon). Iguodala is a possibilty, but Portland would probably have to part with Nic Batum, who is developing into a really good basketball player and is still really young. I'm not sure the Blazers pull the trigger
Ryan in Los Angeles CA - Hi E, Do you think that the Clippers are going to start Aminu instead of Gomes more?
Eric Pincus: That's what they did last night. Coach Vinny Del Negro is worried about the team's collective inexperience but let's be frank - if they're not winning games - it's better to develop the kids than start a journeyman.
doug collins in 76ers - is true holiday annn all star>? can he be with one of the elite pointguards? what does he need to do to get there
Steve Kyler - Not yet, but he's pretty good... being the best player on a bad team rarely gets you noticed... also he'd have to beat out Derrick Rose, Rajon Rondo, Brandon Jennings and Devin Harris who are all playing great this season too
mr76 in phila. pa: - what happens to iggy? will he be moved by the deadline? what can they get? draft picks possible?
Larry Coon: - He has an Achilles injury, and may be feeling the effects of playing in the WC this summer. I think there's a reasonable chance he'll be moved, but it'd take some talent & picks coming the other way. If they do move him, it'll principally be for cost reasons.
76ers4life in phila. pa: - iggy, what will they do?
Stephen Brotherston: - 76ers4life, the 76ers have needed a shake up for a while and Iggy is the player who they will get the most back for. It is hard to get up the nerve to trade him - Iggy is very talented and could be the missing piece for a team like NOH - it is just going to be very hard to let him go! But the 76ers need to make a decision - trade youth for vets and try to make the playoffs and get a lot better fast - or blow it up and rebuild. This standing pat is becoming painful.
Philly Fan in Home of Rocky - Do you think we will finally get rid of Iggy and let Turner Holliday develop? The 76ers aren't making the playoffs anyways and I'm sure they can get alot in return for his services.
Yannis Koutroupis - That's what I'm expecting, but not until closer to the deadline.
Hoopshype Rumors Page
The Hornets, however, would counter with the notion that the team's well-chronicled interest in swapping Peja Stojakovic's substantial expiring contract for a player such as Andre Iguodala, and the recent approval from ownership to completely revamp the team's practice facility in nearby Westwego, La., are signs that Paul's bosses do intend to spend more than their rivals expect
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Good read, thanks for putting this together GoSixers.
I wonder what else the Hornets were willing to give up aside from Peja for Iguodala. I don't think there's enough on their roster.
There's some tangential stuff out there that COULD spur sixers discussion as well...
Marc Stein wrote this weekend that there are teams out there (Dallas and Houston were his examples) that would be willing to trade for Carmelo Anthony without the extension. The standard 'when he gets here he'll love it and stay theory'. Of course those teams that obtain him can offer him more money (for now) than the Knicks.
Obviously if someone trades for Carmelo without getting the extension, the Nuggets probably get less back but there was also intimation that the Nuggets could still get Favors in a Carmelo deal
Great idea for a column.
Sixers could benefit from more divisional games:
http://ow.ly/3ddB6
Sunday NBA column: Should Sixers' Thorn think more long-term in making trades?
http://ow.ly/3ddtn
For those who cared, the way the Raptors/Hornets trade worked out - the raptors only used about 2.8 million of their exception for Bayless (who is very psyched to wear a head band again) and Peja's expiring helped them clear an extra 7 million after this season (jack and andersen)
So was it about dollars or sense... or a bit a both?
From everything I've read (I was writing something for Brian yesterday but it's too damn long, anyone here a good editor?) it was mostly financial for the Raptors, they save more money and have more cap space I guess in the off season.
For New Orleans, it was both it turns out, and a little bit more. They are now under the luxury tax which they were loathe to pay while still making their bench depth better as Jack is an immediate upgrade over Bayless. Also, Jack and Paul are supposedly quite good friends, so it also makes Paul happier and that's important to them as well.
Additionally, it makes Shinn less likely to self implode the team if the sale never happens, the sale supposedly will happen but the primary owner makes his money (one way) in oil from the Gulf and that industry has taken a little hit recently.
The sale most likely will happen but no one is entirely sure when it will be complete
It's "loath" to play. Loathe means to dislike intensely.
Yes I'm aware of what it means, I'm also aware that I wrote loathe to pay, not play.
New Orleans was going to make a move to get under the luxury tax because (like the sixers) they didn't want to pay it if they could avoid it. Unlke the sixers, the Hornets were able to make a move that might actually help their team on the court as well. Why's that you ask? Cause they didn't rush (in my opinion) into it like the sixers
And in rather disappointing 'local' to Philadelphia News, my high school alma mater (Lower Merion) is dedicating a new gym to the most illustruous sports alumnus they can think of Kobe Bryant I was notified via an email today (I can't get off the damn mailing list)
Tickets of course are being sold for as little as 25 bucks ($250 for VIP tickets if you want em, a meet and greet with special guests but no mention of Kobe) www.lmsd.org/kobe.
Next year, I believe they will dedicate the history class rooms to that most famous almunus Alexander Haig
"a meet and greet with special guests but no mention of Kobe"
It is with Kobe:
from that link:
"6 PM in the Aces Nation Atrium WITH Kobe Bryant"
"An Evening with Kobe Bryant: Gymnasium Dedication"
Ah, missed that part. I wonder if my high school will be on natoinal news for a second time due to Kobe Bryant (his announcement from said gym was national news back in the day)
ESPN2 is airing the consolation and championship game from Puerto Rico today, UNC is in the consolation game at 5:30 eastern 2:30 Pacific against Vandy
I'm glad Fagan went to Turkey, this is an interesting article:
http://www.philly.com/inquirer/sports/20101121_Iverson_in_Istanbul.html?viewAll=y
Sadly, Iverson played today on NBATV against a legit European team - Webber did the color commentary - and he only scored two points.
I've had a couple days away from basketball. Checked box scores for the first time a couple of minutes ago and was greeted by this gem.
24 minutes, 3/11 from the floor, 7 points, 4 turnovers, 6 fouls. DeMarcus Cousins, ladies and gentlemen!
Isn't this like last year when I'd go, "Curry had 5 fouls and 4 turnovers tonight" (this actually happened on a very regular basis)? He's a rookie! I'd also note that "Kings rookie center DeMarcus Cousins had a three-point play to cut the Hornets’ lead to two points with 32 seconds left."
Back to Curry, though, I watch a lot of Golden State because I'm a Monta fan and this idea that he's a great point guard is a misconception. Curry will make several pretty passes in a game, but possessions that start with him bringing up the ball end half of the time in Curry pull-up threes, or Curry driving through three defenders to the basket. (This is especially the case in transition.) When he's not taking the shot himself, he just dumps it off and hangs out at the three-point line. By contrast, when Monta's at point he actually probes the defense and creates shots for people. As inconsistent as Holiday is, he's ten times the point guard that Curry is, though nowhere near the scorer or shooter.
Yeah, the main difference is that curry actually produced while making mistakes. Cousins just gives you the bad stuff. And I agree, curry is a shooting guard. I think he'd be perfect next to jrue.