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Court_visioN on Jun 8 at 1:57
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sixerfan1976 on RealGM says the Sixers are likely looking to acquire another pick via trade, using Thad and/or Lou to get it. Take it with a grain of salt, but it appears that Lou is definitely on the trading block, and Thad may be.

Not sure the Sixers would straight up buy another pick, seeing that they're up against the tax theshold as it is. If a trade or a cap-clearing move goes down between now and then, I would say it would be very likely the Sixers are buyers in the draft.

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Jeff reply to Court_visioN on Jun 8 at 2:19
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Was this the same sixerfan1976 that said our next was going to be Sam Mitchell?

He had Collins before the mainstream media.

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Jeff reply to tk76 on Jun 9 at 1:34
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There was a guy who posted on libertyballers with the same or similar name talking about how they would most likely select Mitchell.

I'd see what Sterling wants for the Clips #8 pick. Say what you want but Snider will spend the money if it means being competitive. If that pick were available we could get a serviceable big man (maybe Monroe or the guy from Baylor) as well as taking Turner / Favors / Cousins.

Comcast will spend if they see it making them a contender- because that is the difference between a half full and a sold out arena. But I don't see them going over the tax to just "be competitive."

I can see the Sixers getting another #1 if it is part of a move that unloads a contract (putting them under the tax.) For example, the moves SF mentioned where Lou and Thad get traded to get the 10th or 13th pick (also getting either Foster(expiring) or Jack.) That way they get another (late)lottery pick while freeing up more cap space in 2011 to get Sam's replacement.

But unless the Sixers plan also involves unloading a current player, I see them more as sellers than buyers. If they end up 2M over the tax the next loss is 10M+ because of the loss of revenue sharing dollars. No way they ignore a 10M windfall just to add a late 1st rounder.

Minny badly needs a small forward. They will be trying to unload Jefferson(most probably) or Love(Randolph on Golden State?) for one. Hopefully, plans fall through and Thad is considered an option to them. That #16 pick(Whiteside, Sanders or Orton?), plus the 2nd rounder(15th - Sharon Collins?) wouldn't be bad pickups for Thad.

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deepsixersuede on Jun 8 at 7:48
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If W.Johnson and Aminu are off the board at #8, than the Clippers may have interest in Thad. They own a 3.5 mill. trade exemption [Z.Randolph] that just happens to equal Thad and Jason!s salary!s. Aldrich, Udoh and Davis may all be there at #8.

Do you really think Thad gets you a #8 pick? His value is low right now, especially since he will be due a payday next season.

I'd prefer the Sixers keep Thad and see if his value improves or groom him to be a good 6th man.

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deepsixersuede reply to tk76 on Jun 8 at 8:31
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Question, does having one year to go on his deal help or hurt in dealing him on draft night? He makes the same as #8 this year and is more of a known; and if the guy they pick isn!t what they expected, they are stuck with him through his rookie deal.

Assuming the talent is equal, I would rather have a guy making a rookie salary for 4 years than Thad, who's salary will jump after this season.

They'll prob just take Paul George if those 2 are off the board.

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deepsixersuede reply to Jason on Jun 8 at 8:21
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Is Thad worth the 8th pick? I am looking at the value of Thad versus the talent on the board. Thad has had success in the league, they could reach for Henry or George or trade down but, yes, I feel Thad has value equal to the guys that will be there in the 8 to 12 range.

Thad does not have the value of George. Thad does nothing to excite fan base compared to any new draft pick at #8. if clips were in 15-20 land and there was no SF then maybe, but Thad's value is prob mid to late 1st. In All honesty, i would be perfectly fine with a sign and trade of JJ Redick + ryan anderson's salary , their 29th (maybe another pick somewhere down the line) for Thad+ Lou, Magic get to fill 2 needs in SF and backup PG. Other than that don't think Thad is getting moved for much.

What's more important? An excited fan base for a year or a better player. Even at his lowest value (which is right now) Thad is worth the 8th pick in the draft.
Philly fans have a tendency to either seriously overvalue or undervalue their own players.
Atm Jrue (as great as i think he is going to be) is overvalued by our fan base. At the same time Igoudala, Thad and Lou are all seriously undervalued for a variety of reasons.

As for what kind of a pick Thad is worth ask yourself a simple question. How many players from Thad's draft are realistically better than him (offense + defense). I'd say Thad might even be a top 5 in his draft class...

Except Thad gets a big raise next summer, while they draft picks are under rookie salaries for 4 years.

Is Thad an NBA starter? Is he equal to Battier, who was traded for #8 (Rudy Gay?)

Is Thad an NBA starter? YES
Is he better than Battier? Probably not atm, but mostly because Battier is a great chemistry guy.

However, the fact that Battier was traded fir the No. 8 pick doesn't mean anything. The Wizards traded the 5th pick for Miller and Foye last year...

Let's face it. They would prefer to unload Lou. Who do you see as most likely interested in him?

We would want to free salary but would a Lou for Sessions be an option? I guess that's even money?.

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deepsixersuede reply to sfw on Jun 8 at 8:38
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Memphis has cap room [3.2 mill.]. A Lou for #27 and Haddidi may work. They want Mayo to play some p.g., that is why they like Bledsoe.

Don't think Memphis would want his contract.

Lou is going to Atlanta for the draft rights to #24. Atlanta will be under the cap enough to absorb Lou Williams and will need to replace Jamal Crawford's production off the bench (who will be trying to replace Joe Johnson's production as a starter). Atlanta is on the hook for 10 mil to Crawford next season so Lou provides a relatively low-cost high-production backup. We can get our project C at #24 no-doubt.

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Jason reply to Marty on Jun 8 at 9:53
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Very unlikely lol.

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marty reply to Jason on Jun 8 at 9:59
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What is very unlikely: trading Lou or getting a Center at #24? Joe Johnson is going to get overpaid and maxed out this summer by some team. The Hawks will have approximately 9 million dollars to play with under the cap. Are they going to use all that for a guy like J. Salmons? Why not use half towards Lou and still have some to play with? Plus Lou is a local guy and that team could certainly use it to generate a little buzz.

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sfw reply to marty on Jun 8 at 10:13
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They like to run with Josh Smith. Lou will bring the local interest; however, isn't Jeff Teague a Lou clone?

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marty reply to sfw on Jun 8 at 10:32
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I thought Jeff Teague was more of a PG, kind of waiting in the wings for Bibby. I honestly haven't seen enough of him to say for certain how close their games really are. I just think a top four team in the East is better off getting a guy like Lou (who's contract frankly, isn't horrible) with the #24 pick then whatever project is out there. Crawford comes off the cap after this season so they can use the freed up money to re-sign Horford and add a legit 2-guard in 2011.

Atl will not be under the cap until July 1 (a week after the draft.) So they can not absorb Lou's salary until after July 1st, unless the Sixers take back an equal contract.

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Marty reply to tk76 on Jun 8 at 11:38
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I understand that, but those trades happen every year when it's basically agreed upon that on July 1 the trade is "official" and that the Hawks are actually drafting for us.

Getting the 8th pick would be amazing, and would give the Sixers the chance to take one of either Udoh or Aldrich.
Going past 10 would likely mean neither of these guys would be available, and I am not a big fan of the bigs available after that, except for possibly larry sanders.

i think atlanta's pick at 24 might also be one we could buy. i think they still have some interest in bringing joe johnson back. paying this first round pick takes up cap room they need for johnson. so i think we may be able to get it for 3 mill just so they can have a better chance of bringing johnson back.

also, ignoring draft picks. would you trade lou straight up for zaza pachulia? salaries are pretty much the same. it gets us a backup center, although his stats aren't to pretty. just curious.

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Marty reply to person on Jun 8 at 12:04
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Yes, I would definitely do that deal for Zaza. I've been pushing that here for about two weeks. Also, there's no way the Sixers are buying a pick unless they can unload a contract like Lou's. Team isn't going to pay 3 million for a pick, plus the pick's contract, and go over the luxury tax and forego all the money they'd get if they were below. It's not going to happen. Focus on moving Thad or Lou for a pick.

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sfw reply to Marty on Jun 8 at 12:20
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I think Teague is a hybrid similar to Lou(see worst case).

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jeff-Teague-5293/

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Marty reply to sfw on Jun 8 at 12:42
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touche. Maybe not as good of a fit as I thought.

Here's a question for those on the blog today: Are we underselling our expectations of what the Sixers should turn #2 into? What I mean is, the Celtics basically took the #5 pick and Al Jefferson three years ago and turned it into a championship team. Like them, we found a very good PG in the mid-first round. Like them we have a very good player who needs others around them (Pierce and Igoudala). I'm a proponent of building this slow, from the ground up, and I buy the "there are no shortcuts" talk from Collins. But should we be hoping that the Sixers can turn #2 into a blockbuster deal of some sort over taking Turner and Favors and playing the waiting game? If San Antonio thought Favors could be their dominant big man for the next 10-15 years, would you move Brand, Thad and #2 for Duncan? Remember, you still have Dalembert/Kapono/Green's expiring deals to make a move with, potentially Lou, and the ability to buy another pick.

I'm not saying SA would even consider that, just making the point - what kind of blockbuster would it take for you to want THAT to happen over just sitting there and taking Turner or Favors?

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ojr107 reply to Marty on Jun 8 at 13:40
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I think SA would be crazy not to do that deal. I wouldn't do it, simply because Duncan is 34 and is already showing signs of slowing down. When the Celtics traded for Garnett he was 31, giving them a bit more of a window. If Duncan can't get out of the second round with Ginobili/Parker/Jefferson, I'm not sure he would fair better here.

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Shervon reply to Marty on Jun 8 at 16:33
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We would still have a gaping hole at SG and it doesn't even put us at a top 3 team in the eastern conference. I would only trade the #2 pick overall for a player that will get us a championship in 1-3 years. Duncan at this stage in his career is not that guy.

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Jeff reply to Marty on Jun 9 at 2:02
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That would be just an awful deal for the sixers. That wouldn't be answering any of our problems long term.

Just an idea. What do you think?

Pacers reportedly are trying hard to move up.

So should we consider a Granger + #10 for #2 + Green + Kapono (Dalembert instead of those two would work financially as well i guess)?

I'm leaning towards NO because Grangers' stats are somewhat inflated and he's had some injury problems of his own, but it's something worth considering. Igoudala and Granger would complement each other perfectly.

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Name reply to Xsago on Jun 8 at 18:01
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I know Brian will hate it, but I like it

PG: Holliday
SG: Iguodala
SF: Granger
PF: Monroe
C: Dalembert

Bench:
Williams
Brand
Young

That is a funky line-up. A bunch of different styled pieces, but maybe it works. Certainly not a contender at any point.

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deepsixersuede reply to Name on Jun 8 at 18:15
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Green and Kapono can!t be moved till after the draft, I believe, and I am not so sure Monroe is there at #10. I like the lineup if Sam stays, otherwise the frontcourt would be weak defensively.

Anyway the trade wouldn't work because the NBA draft is in June and Willie Green and Kapono have until July 1st to pickup their option. Also Granger has a BYC and only counts as 6mill in incoming value.

The Sixers could trade Kapono and the #2 to the Pacers for Granger and #10. Only if Kapono picks up his option before the draft.

Anyway , is anyone interested in Shaun Livingston? During the month of April this guy averaged 16 pts, 6 assts, and 4 rebs per game.

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deepsixersuede reply to Gerald on Jun 8 at 18:19
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I think somebody will overpay him; if Turner is the pick I expect a minumum salary vet. [K.Ollie type] signed if they move Lou for cap room. Turner and Iggy will be fun to watch for stretches as a backcourt.

I am 95% sure that Evan Turner is going to be the pick. The main reason why is that Ed Stefanski's job is on the line. Derrick Favors may end up being the better player but Turner is the safer and most NBA ready pick.

If Yao Ming decides to pick up his 22 million dollar option (which he most likely will) would you be willing to trade Dalembert, Green and Kapono for him?

So they would be paying Yao, Iguodala and Brand a combined 51M?

That's 90% of your cap for a non-contending core.

It's really a question of this season only. All those contracts expire next summer, so the 90% of the cap number thing doesn't really matter.

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deepsixersuede on Jun 8 at 19:12
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Do you guys think a plan is in place to target one of these 3 bigs who may be available next year [Perkins, Horford, Nene].If they move L.Will. and Thad and get back a pick and player who comes off the books the same time as Willie, Sam and Kapono than I would be happy. The Indiana deal spoke of recently, [Foster and #10 for Thad and L.Will.] would be a trade that puts the team in a good situation. Draft the b.p.a. at #10 and let Collins turn this into an attractive option for someone to come to. He, along with caproom , are good selling points to a young big.

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johnrosz on Jun 8 at 19:58
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Comcast clearly isn't spending money to make my cable or internet service any better, so they damn well use the money for a draft pick. Xfinity my ass.

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bebopdeluxe on Jun 8 at 23:21
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If Aminu is gone at 8, I'm not exactly sure why the Clips wouldn't be interested in Thad...as opposed to a 4-year deal starting at $2.136 million, you - in essence - get a one-year look at Thad for less than $800K more. If it works - then great...you have your SF of the future. If it doesn't work, you save $7 million in future salary commitments.

On draft night, I'm praying that Aminu is gone by 7.

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Jason reply to bebopdeluxe on Jun 8 at 23:35
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I highly doubt that the clippers are looking for a 1 year evaluation with the #8 pick. Also, a few good other sfs in the draft to be taken at 8.

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bebopdeluxe on Jun 8 at 23:49
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Remember...this is the CLIPPERS we are talking about here.

While I think that Thad is better than either George or Babbitt, my thought is as much a function of Sterling's legendary cheapness as it is a Thad-versus-SF's-not named-Johnson-or-Aminu.


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