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...and Belly-To-Belly

no orton for the sixers and i doubt bynum plays since its a back to back

Cavs fans must love the headlines about Bynum considering retirement.

well as of today the Sixers are 4-2, Flyers are...5-11 and Eagles are 4-5...over under on which team will get to 6 wins first?

and they're off...Hawes loses the tip.

hawes and et sticking with the headbands

good energy from Cleveland on the first possession, and a 3-second violation. So much for that.

MCW right to the cup. Nice drive.

Bad shot, Turner.

Anderson 3. Nice. He's come to life a little bit over the past 3 games.

anderson 3

need to make quick passes with the way they are defending the p/r

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eddies' heady's on Nov 9 at 19:46
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How about a not so slow start?

Jump on them early and the Cavs will completely fold.

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eddies' heady's on Nov 9 at 19:47
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Thad MCW pick and dive. Thad fouled.

thad made both free throws!

Did they just hit both FTs? That's such a rarity.

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eddies' heady's on Nov 9 at 19:48
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Good steal MCW!!! He just swiped that shit....

What is it with fat big men and the Cavs?

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eddies' heady's on Nov 9 at 19:48
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Thad fakes a pick for MCW, cuts to the hoop. finish

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eddies' heady's on Nov 9 at 19:49
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Bad pass Anderson, don't need that from you.

Strong board by MCW.

et corner 3!

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eddies' heady's on Nov 9 at 19:50
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Evan spots up, Bloop J.

Turner w/ the corner three.

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eddies' heady's on Nov 9 at 19:51
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Thad makes his first one.

Varejao is such a flopper.

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eddies' heady's on Nov 9 at 19:52
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Brown is aware of the heavy legs by sitting Hawes early here. Bad thing about that is, Lavoy replaces him.

Did Hawes pick up his second?

I'm not sure we have any shot at competing with Utah's (inadvertent?) tanking efforts. 0-6 and already losing to Toronto by 23 with only 4 minutes gone in the second quarter. They're last in the league in offense, with an astonishingly low team expected field goal percentage of .422, though some of that is Favors and Jefferson's awful starts.

turnerover.

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eddies' heady's on Nov 9 at 19:55
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Tied with just under 5 to go, don't let it get away here. Finish this quarter.

Shit Turnover.

THey score.

lavoy jumper

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eddies' heady's on Nov 9 at 19:56
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Good hands Thad and Evan. Thad lazily takes it up and gets blocked.

Lavoy steal.

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eddies' heady's on Nov 9 at 19:58
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Brandon Davies is long.

morris 3

Man, they are just horrible defending the p&r. They have no clue even what the plan is.

Morris three.

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eddies' heady's on Nov 9 at 19:58
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Morris 3!

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eddies' heady's on Nov 9 at 20:01
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ET getting deep at will often lately.

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eddies' heady's on Nov 9 at 20:02
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ET going deep again in the paint, fouled. To the line. He's so much more in control of his movements since shedding that bad weight.

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eddies' heady's on Nov 9 at 20:03
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MCW should have passed that off to Wroten there. ugh

a tad too much 1-1 going on right now

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eddies' heady's on Nov 9 at 20:04
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Morris probe, spin, and lean-back J.

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eddies' heady's on Nov 9 at 20:05
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Only down 3 after one, that's a rarity.

27-30, after 1.

I'll never understand why the first q D is so bad.

Looking bad on both ends. Morris bails out a bad possession w/ a pull-up three.

morris 3 bails out a bad possession

nice play thad

that looked like a block

hahahahahawesome

thad to hawes

I can't believe they're only down 5. Playing piss poor basketball.

bad shot evan

Great D by MCW. Then I believe Turner threw it away.

good passing leads to a thad layup

Bad MCW pass and cement in Turner's shoes leads to a turnover. This is pretty tough to watch.

lavoy tips in a bad mcw shot

Lavoy is playing a little bit closer to the basket so far this season.

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eddies' heady's on Nov 9 at 20:34
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Looks like he should have given some of MCW's minutes to Morris; for the whole half.

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eddies' heady's on Nov 9 at 20:34
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Down 5. They're fortunate to only be down that much.

down 5 end of the half

48-53 at the half.

Ugly basketball, 2 very bad teams.

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eddies' heady's on Nov 9 at 20:37
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They have zero fast break points, and are losing the glass by 10. Yet only down 5. Are they just lurking tonight too? Cause after last night....

nice play leads to et free throws

thad 3!

Turner is balling!!

cavs at the foul limit with 746 left

keep driving

thad 3!

nice drive by mcw

This team is fun to watch win or lose.

Irving just cracked Turner. Whooo!

Been half watching the third. Turner explosion, huh?

mcw 3!

MCW 3

I'd like to see less complaining from MCW

blah et shot goes in

Smart play by Turner not to throw the home run pass to wroten after the steal. He thought about it, but wasn't there. He's thrown away a bunch of those this year.

Turner has a bad habit of trying to thread the needle with his passes.

Weak put back attempt by Lavoy. He should practice dunks every day for the entire season.

Thank god they didn't get Bennett in the Jrue trade

if only there was some place we could send ET where he'd be able to play half of his games in OH and look somewhat decent

bad shot et

Heat check, he gets a pass

up 10 end of the 3rd

85-75 after 3.

Ball. Game.

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eddies' heady's on Nov 9 at 21:19
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Up 10, trying to run these boys in tne ground again.

It may not be a total accident that we have this weak lineup to start the fourth quarter of a close-ish game on the road. I'd like to think it isn't, anyway.

morris jumper

bad shot mcw

of course it couldn't be THAT easy, looks like it may soon be Villain time no?

Did I speak too soon?

sissy 3!

Irving celebrating. Douche.

Turner hero ball

Thad 2/2 from the stripe again.

damn that Kyrie fellow seems to be good at basketball

that was the most hawes bucket ever

Turner:

Jump shots off dribble:
Last year: 39.8%
This year: 64%

There hasn’t been a player shoot > 53% off the dribble in the 8 years I can find data for. There have only been a dozen or so to shoot over 50%.

He’s also shooting 66.7% at the rim, compared to 40.9% last year. That’s helped somewhat by him getting 2x as many transition opportunities as he did last year, but much higher when just looking at half-court attempts as well.

So what you're saying is there's a chance?

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Jason reply to Derek Bodner on Nov 9 at 21:49
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What's the mean % for wings shooting off the dribble?

Is Curry one of the players over 50?

Turner getting to the rim or the line. No more jump shots. PLEASE !!!

They're free, Turner.

Split the first pair, better hit both of these.

So the key now is to draw up the play for the Spencer Hawes three right?

good patience on that play leads to a hawes bucket

O-boards will kill you.

down 2

lets see what they draw up

Go for the three.

If Noel can help this current team on the boards then we definitely out if the Wiggins race.

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Tray reply to KellyDad on Nov 9 at 21:56
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Not after we trade the suddenly valuable Turner and Hawes contracts.

thad!

Thad, easy money. Irving's shot, I suppose. Double him, don't switch.

that was close

OT

What a defensive play by MCW

Turner absolutely refuses to pass after he gets a d-board

big replay review seems to go the Sixers way

That's the Turner we know and love.

thad bucket

Celts beat Miami

mcw 3!

back to 4

Mcw3

Turner doesn't bother to jump for the board.

uhoh Thad :(

hopefully thad is alright

Turner gets his own miss, they get a stop.

Go for the three

What happened to Thad?

looked like he landed wrong on his foot/ankle but hes in so i guess hes ok

Turner with a circus shot to tie it

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eddies' heady's on Nov 9 at 22:13
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What. a. fucking. shot. et.

It's a shame our big year to tank coincided with Turner's contract year.

My bet is that will wind up working in our favor

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MojoSoDope reply to Brian on Nov 9 at 22:17
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By way of him being traded?

More likely he regresses.

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Tray reply to Brian on Nov 9 at 22:17
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It will after he stops making shots, and if he keeps this up he'll be pretty tradeable. Of the three guys we might trade, I'd have to think Hinkie believes Turner is the least worth keeping.

im pretty sure he hijacked that

dont think he called an iso

The Villain!!

OTx2.

another OT

They have been entertaining as hell this year

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eddies' heady's on Nov 9 at 22:18
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Can't believe they can't put this one awaay, the Cavs that is.

31 for Ev.

It's because they're actually better than us.

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eddies' heady's reply to Tray on Nov 9 at 22:23
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If they were actually better, don't you think they'd have put us away by now?

Remember that X-factor of coaching mentioned? 8th seed baby!

Well, not necessarily, because teams in the NBA lose to teams they're a bit better than all the time.

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eddies' heady's reply to Tray on Nov 9 at 22:41
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A bit huh? That's pretty funny to actually strengthen an argument on.

You just acknowledged how much the coaching was playing a part just after last nights victory. Hear, hear now.

Yeah, Cleveland's a bit better than us. We're both bad teams, they have talent, we have a good coach.

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eddies' heady's reply to Tray on Nov 9 at 22:48
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You're stretching it man. What "talent" do they really have besides Kyrie? Waiters, Thompson, Gee, Varejao? I don't think so. Bennett neither. Jack, maybe.

And you're gonna say with a straight face they're collectively better than Michael Carter-Williams, Evan Turner, Thad Young, and Spencer Hawes? Can't be.

Like you and I said, cling tightly to "a bit" better.

I think Kyrie is leaps and bounds better than our best player (Thad?), and I certainly don't think our next seven best players in any way make up for the gap in top-tier talent. Comparing Kyrie to Thad muddles things, so let's just go position by position. Kyrie has a huge edge over MCW. The line he put up tonight, 39, 12, and 5, has been put up in the last 30 years by only one player younger than Irving, LeBron James. Irving may be the best point guard in the conference right now, and not just by default of Rondo's injury. Turner and Waiters are still both talented messes, with Turner being a bit less of a mess and Waiters having more talent. I'll give an edge to Turner mainly because the shots are going in right now and he's not quite as out of control. Varejao's still a better player than Hawes, he defends the pick and roll, makes small but useful contributions on offense, and does things big men are supposed to do. Thompson's like a poor man's Thad, roughly speaking; big but not gigantic advantage to the Sixers there. Gee and Anderson are marginal players, but Gee is better on the defensive side of the ball than Anderson is on offense. Jack's one of the league's best bench guards and Wroten is a speedy, combustible mess, who I like, but still. C.J. Miles is something we don't even have on this team, an athletic shooter who can defend. He's significantly better than Anderson, and he doesn't start. I don't know who to compare the #1 pick in the 2013 draft to - Brandon Davies? I guess Bennett takes that. Lavoy might be a little better than Tyler Zeller. Earl Clark didn't play tonight but he's another thing the Sixers don't have, a big man with ball skills who belongs in the NBA off the bench. I kind of like our young backup center, though, more so than anyone the Cavs have in that role. Overall, they have about two more actual NBA players on their bench than we do, a vastly better sixth man, and a significantly more talented starting unit. All of which is ever so unsurprising, as Dan Gilbert wants his team to make the playoffs and Josh Harris wants us to miss the playoffs by a larger margin than any other team in the league.

Thad is an animal

Love Thad hustling back

mcw tough bucket

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eddies' heady's on Nov 9 at 22:21
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MCW hesitation.

bad shot thad

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eddies' heady's on Nov 9 at 22:25
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Evan with a forced pullup.

Bad shot Evan

you are allowed to pass evan

Thad butterfingers.

Turner brick.

And Turner kicks it out of bounds. Ugh. The shot click should not have reset.

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eddies' heady's on Nov 9 at 22:28
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I want to them to win this game pretty bad but I wouldn't be terribly disappointed if they lost it either.

Needed that turner 3

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eddies' heady's on Nov 9 at 22:29
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WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Acting job by Jack, good one though. shit

Come on. What a bs call.

What the fuck.....

sure are a lot of whistles going CLE's way

Thad too late and in the circle

Turner with the matador defense

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eddies' heady's on Nov 9 at 22:32
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Get the fucking board dammit.

mcw tips in his miss

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eddies' heady's on Nov 9 at 22:33
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They deserve to lose letting the shooter get the o-board off his missed free throw.

MCW off his own miss. Down 1 still w/ 21 left

What a play by McW

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eddies' heady's on Nov 9 at 22:34
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Who do you draw the 3 up for? MCW? Evan?

I don't know.

Go for the three. I just want to go to bed

so they're just not playing wroten at all in this OT, well ok then

mcw 3!!!!!!!!

MC3!!!!

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eddies' heady's on Nov 9 at 22:36
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MCW in your fucking mouth, Kyrie.

MCW is one clutch motherfucker.

didn't it take Jrue like 4 years to learn how to do that??

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Tray reply to das411 on Nov 9 at 22:41
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Yeah and he was MCW's age in his 4th season.

Get the fuck outtttttttttt. This kid is nuts

MCW FOR 3!!!!

Turner looks gassed in these OTs, they should take him out on this defensive play

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eddies' heady's on Nov 9 at 22:37
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Guard Waiters, now.

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eddies' heady's on Nov 9 at 22:38
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F me! Ballgame, what you talkin' 'bout Willis? I ain't mad.

Ugly.

Don't like MCW inbounding

blah

Exciting, but horrid basketball. Dunno for potg, Turner, MCW or Thad.

spurs blew the knicks out so nobody on the spurs played more than 26 minutes

I'm waiting for the Knicks to win the lottery so people can scream conspiracy again

denver has their pick

Ah, no protections huh? that sounds like New York

from the melo trade i think

Hmm...would be pretty ironic to 'lose' the first pick in the draft and lose their 'superstar' (that won nothing while he was there) in the same off season

i said this in a different thread but the magic will get either that knicks pick or denver's(whichever pick is later in the 1st round)

I would be seriously surprised if Melo actually went elsewhere so he can win and turns down all those money in a new Knicks deal. The 4th contract max contracts are huge. That's a terrible contract waiting to happen and we all know the Knicks will offer it.

Anyone else catch the end of the OKC/Wiz? Beal was unconscious, but Durant hit a clutch 3 to send it to OT. The Wiz could have won if they knew how, but it was very apparent which of the two teams was used to winning close games.

suns beat the pelicans

Markieff Morris putting up Turner'esque numbers of late.

Suns 5-2 have not gotten nearly the anti-tanking hype the Sixers have. The Jazz are currently the run away tankers- hearkening back to 2005 when the won 26 games and the rights to draft DWill (although I'm sure there are people who will say "Utah never tanks"- although they did (unbelievably) draft Stockton and Malone with the 16th and 13th picks in after consecutive mediocre seasons.)

It looks like the race for the botttom could be competitive.

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Tray reply to tk76 on Nov 11 at 11:56
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And the Kings are 1-5, and Denver's got one win and is losing games by 7 points per.

Sacto has the worst D in the league. Cousins' offensive numbers aren't terrible, though. Good for him.

Got to love inflated stats on bad teams... like our local one.

Highest usage rate in the league and he's generating 1.5 assists per game. Sacto is 27th in offensive rating.

I do like his defensive rebounding, though.

They're 20th according to B-R.com, not that I'm defending Cousins.

His numbers are night-and-day better than they used to be. Still nowhere near max contract worthy, though.

Yeah, you're right. I can't read.

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Tray reply to Brian on Nov 11 at 13:56
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He's had a number of stretches like this before, let's not get ahead of ourselves : )

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Tray reply to Brian on Nov 11 at 13:57
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He's had a number of stretches like this before, let's not get ahead of ourselves : )

If MCW was ever able to average for a season what he has in his 1st 7 games:
MCW: 18.7/8.1a/5.9r/2.6st

For 1 season:
18/8//5.5:
Only 14 players in NBA history, 13 HOF players
Only 32 single seasons, 22 of which by Oscar and Magic
So far this year MCW and Lebron

Throw in 2 steals and you are talking 6 seasons in NBA since steals recorded (?72) and Magic was the only player to ever put up those numbers twice.

http://bkref.com/tiny/Uo51y

Take away points:

1. It is highly unlikely that MCW ever produced for even one season like he has in his first 7 games (unless he goes on to be a HOF caliber player.)

2. Michael Ray Richardson had a truly historic season 2 years prior to being banned for life for cocaine use (20/8.2/5.6/3st.) He also was a unique player- no one else has come close to his career averages of 14.8/7/5.5/2.6st. No one else since '73 was even 14/6/5/2, Walt Frazier, Magic and Wade and Lebron are sort of close, but all 1 st/g behind.

3. MCW statistically is Michael Ray Richardson without the crack?

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Tray reply to tk76 on Nov 11 at 14:10
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If Jeremy Lin could average what he did over a month or so (which was basically his first month of real nba play), he'd be a first-ballot Hall of Famer, right? I think a lot of what he's doing may be sustainable, but the scoring and rebounding would drop considerably on a team with more scoring and rebounding.

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tk76 reply to Tray on Nov 11 at 15:00
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I agree. Just pointing out how off the charts his production has been.

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Tray reply to tk76 on Nov 11 at 15:31
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A fair question, though, is what it all means. Until the tail end of his career, Marbury was the only player besides Oscar Robertson to average 20 and 8 for his career. And even with the years where he did nothing in the mix, he still left the NBA averaging 19 and 7.6. I think the analytic jury is still out, but Marbury didn't appear to make his teams a whole lot better than they would have been without him. And in fact, he might have helped them a lot more had he scored less. Likewise, I'm not too sure what the value of high steal numbers is, or high offensive rebounding, or high scoring at the point depending on how it's done, or even a high assist rate, which may speak to usage and ball dominance nearly as much as it does to how good a passer a player is.

The East is a mess right now. Every team, except Indiana has 3 or 4 losses. The Pcers have already built a huge lead with noone else separating themselves from the pack.


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